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Cearain
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Posted - 2017.03.16 17:09:18 -
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Def Monk wrote:So, 500 plex works out to be 1hr, 26min, 24 seconds of game time per PLEX. Why not convert them all to 720 units, which will make every plex exactly 1 hour of game time?
One nice outcome about this is someone can say "Hey, I wanna buy/give 1 week of play time". And they can do that now. But, then the question rises: how many do I need? With the current 500 per plex, that math is complicated and dumb. At 1 hour per, its simple: 24 hours, 7 days, I need 168 PLEX.
If there's a specific reason for 500, I'd love to know.
EDIT: My math is assuming 1 PLEX = 30 days.
If they do this then all of pi will soon be done by alphas. Buy a week or an hour and haul all your pi from your free accounts.
There are many other barrier that alphas have that will be solved for a allot less money to ccp. Cynos and even playing time. Why pay 70 bucks to have a subscription for 6 months when you can just pay 2 dollars and play when ever you want.
CCP will lose allot of money if they sell time for less than 30 days.
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Cearain
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Posted - 2017.03.16 17:45:51 -
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Querns wrote:Terminal Insanity wrote:pointing out that after these changes, any alpha account is now potentially a cyno alt.
- infinite cyno alts. - infinite research jobs. just plex for an hour to install the jobs - infinite ganking alts. plex each alpha for a couple hours each, and gank a few freighters!
obviously its not literally 'infinite', there is still a limit as to how many computers you have and how many clients each of those can run... but why have 1 account for 30 days when you can have 30 accounts for 1 day?
i dont really see this change as useful. it just obscures the true cost of 30d subscription, and bypasses most of the f2p problems that were previously restricted. and whats the benefit? so you can carry 15 days of gametime in your ibis instead of 30? Nowhere in this dev blog was it stated that you'd be able to redeem one NuPLEX for a tiny slice of game time. It's likely going to be 30 days, or nothing.
"We think it would be great if it could be broken into smaller units that fit your needs rather than always being bound to the size of 30 days. With that in mind, our first planned change is to convert every existing PLEX into 500 PLEX. After the change, anything you could get for 1 Plex from CCP will instead require 500 Plex."
This seems to suggest you can get smaller than 30 days time.
On the other hand nothing suggests it will be 30 days or nothing.
CCP will lose allot of money if they allow smaller than 30 days time.
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Cearain
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Posted - 2017.03.16 18:10:17 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Cearain wrote:Querns wrote:Terminal Insanity wrote:pointing out that after these changes, any alpha account is now potentially a cyno alt.
- infinite cyno alts. - infinite research jobs. just plex for an hour to install the jobs - infinite ganking alts. plex each alpha for a couple hours each, and gank a few freighters!
obviously its not literally 'infinite', there is still a limit as to how many computers you have and how many clients each of those can run... but why have 1 account for 30 days when you can have 30 accounts for 1 day?
i dont really see this change as useful. it just obscures the true cost of 30d subscription, and bypasses most of the f2p problems that were previously restricted. and whats the benefit? so you can carry 15 days of gametime in your ibis instead of 30? Nowhere in this dev blog was it stated that you'd be able to redeem one NuPLEX for a tiny slice of game time. It's likely going to be 30 days, or nothing. "We think it would be great if it could be broken into smaller units that fit your needs rather than always being bound to the size of 30 days. With that in mind, our first planned change is to convert every existing PLEX into 500 PLEX. After the change, anything you could get for 1 Plex from CCP will instead require 500 Plex." This seems to suggest you can get smaller than 30 days time. On the other hand nothing suggests it will be 30 days or nothing. CCP will lose allot of money if they allow smaller than 30 days time. Smaller amount for service could also be unrelated to game time. What if they decide to ask for 250 for character remodel because it so very little used now for example?
I agree it could mean that. But they specifically reference the time 30 days. And that suggests they will do smaller amounts of time.
Hopefully they won't do that. As you and I both agree they will lose allot of money if they do.
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Cearain
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Posted - 2017.03.16 18:13:27 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote:Teckos Pech wrote:Def Monk wrote:So, 500 plex works out to be 1hr, 26min, 24 seconds of game time per PLEX. Why not convert them all to 720 units, which will make every plex exactly 1 hour of game time?
One nice outcome about this is someone can say "Hey, I wanna buy/give 1 week of play time". And they can do that now. But, then the question rises: how many do I need? With the current 500 per plex, that math is complicated and dumb. At 1 hour per, its simple: 24 hours, 7 days, I need 168 PLEX.
If there's a specific reason for 500, I'd love to know.
EDIT: My math is assuming 1 PLEX = 30 days. This. Reducing needless complexity makes sense, adding needless complexity on top of it does not. You will only be able to get game time in 30 day chunks.
That is far from clear from the actual public dev blog. Do you say this based on your csm discussions?
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Cearain
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Posted - 2017.03.16 18:16:05 -
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Sullen Decimus wrote:Allsales Final wrote:Sullen Decimus wrote:SIEGE RED wrote:Interesting, every bit of market data hints more than strongly at a CSM leak prior to this devblog. It was already weird, yet now it's clear. What?? What do you mean "what"? It is all quite odd. Announce a game changing policy on an arbitrary Thursday afternoon and hope the impact is minimized? It was leaked. What information are you gathering that it was leaked. Point me to the evidence you are referencing.
It looks like the price of plex went up pretty sharply the last 3 days after holding steady for months.
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Cearain
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Posted - 2017.03.17 14:01:55 -
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Now that the new plex dev blog is out, maybe we can hear how our csm "represented" players when they discussed this with ccp? Can we have minutes that cover this? Perhaps instead of just not doing minutes that cover nda stuff do the minutes but then release them when the info goes public.
After all I hear having the csm be a sounding board for this new stuff is supposed to be the real value to players. So why can't we read what they said?
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Posted - 2017.03.17 16:38:57 -
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Sullen Decimus wrote:Gogela wrote:Obil Que wrote:Sullen Decimus wrote:SIEGE RED wrote:Interesting, every bit of market data hints more than strongly at a CSM leak prior to this devblog. It was already weird, yet now it's clear. What?? Tinfoil 1: PLEX rising prior to announcement means CSM leaked the data and influenced prices Tinfoil 2: PLEX falls prior to announcement means CSM leaked the data and influenced prices Choose Tinfoil 1You don't think that's more than coincidence? OK than... I just want to know why you think that we are told "hey guys we're going to inject a shitload of plex into the game when aurum converts" would ever equate to me wanting to go buy enough plex to jump the market up by 15%.
Its not whether the strategy was smart it is whether it was due to a leak.
Was the strategy smart? Well plex will now gain a new use that it didn't have before - i.e., it can now be used for everything that aurum used to be required for in a direct way. Combine that with ccp literally erasing a large amount of aurum from the system and I can see why it might go up. Traditionally every time ccp added these new functions for plex the price went up.
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Posted - 2017.03.17 20:46:15 -
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Vulvona Ride-in wrote:since the mini plex will be "affordable", i see already all those market Warriors artificially push the value of those mini plex up.
Affording 1.2B plex is harder than a 1.07B plex for example...
but affording a 3M mini plex is not much harder than purchasing a 2M mini plex.
Since the main goal is to enable micro transanction at an even micro-er level that those base on 1-plex-unit, i see the big majority of mini plex transaction being one with small volume of mini plex...
My bet: montly plexing fees will explode ISK-wise!
I'm not so sure. Especially if you need 500 microPlex to get gametime.
Also will the microPlex be sold on a neweden wide market or will it still be regional markets?
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Cearain
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Posted - 2017.03.18 04:50:29 -
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Olleybear wrote:
Perhaps you could enlighten us(2) with a preponderance of evidence that the CSM is profiteering on this latest change to our wondrous Eveonline community?
Aryth:
"What happens when you put the long term planner on the CSM and seeing the long term plans. Good things for us that's what."
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Posted - 2017.03.23 17:13:20 -
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Olleybear wrote:Cearain wrote:Olleybear wrote:
Perhaps you could enlighten us(2) with a preponderance of evidence that the CSM is profiteering on this latest change to our wondrous Eveonline community?
Aryth: "What happens when you put the long term planner on the CSM and seeing the long term plans. Good things for us that's what." BTW for those who don't know Aryth is a member of csm. Salutations! It would seem you are implying that a CSM member by the name of Aryth is currently manipulating the market for PLEX based on two sentences that member apparently uttered. This hardly constitutes proof of a conspiracy over the price of PLEX via market manipulation. Indeed, the above sentence you quoted could mean just about anything.
I think the 2 sentences mean what he says. That is he will use the information about ccps long term plans that he gets from being on csm to benefit his coalition.
You ask for evidence that people from csm used information to their benefit here. I gave you a direct quote from a csm member saying he will do just that with the nda information. And you say well its just generally he will do that its not proof he did that here.
Well why do you think he didn't do that here? I mean clearly he has no qualms about using nda to benefit his alliance. Since he made that clear why would we think he wouldn't do that here?
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Posted - 2017.03.24 14:22:19 -
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Olleybear wrote:Cearain wrote: I think the 2 sentences mean what he says. That is he will use the information about ccps long term plans that he gets from being on csm to benefit his coalition.
You ask for evidence that people from csm used information to their benefit here. I gave you a direct quote from a csm member saying he will do just that with the nda information. And you say well its just generally he will do that its not proof he did that here.
Well why do you think he didn't do that here? I mean clearly he has no qualms about using nda to benefit his alliance. Since he made that clear why would we think he wouldn't do that here?
Hello my friend! We(1) are eager to answer why We do not think he breached the NDA as of yet. If a CSM member were to use NDA information ahead of time and move to give themselves or someone else an unfair in game advantage by disclosing said NDA information before CCP released this information for public consumption, that CSM member would be removed from the CSM. Further, depending on how egregious the breach, that person could receive a ban from playing Eve Online. CCP has internal tools which can catch nefarious activity by any CSM members who might be jockeying for in game advantage by breaching the NDA. Surely this CSM member would be removed post-haste by CCP should he try and would have been removed already if he were currently breaching the NDA. Here are a few links showing actual proof of what We say: Ankhesentapemkah for NDA breachLarkonis Trassler of CSM 3 for NDA breachThere are quite possibly more than just the above two We have linked but We do not have the inclination nor, dare We say, even the need to pursue more proof for Our side of the debate. This, my friend, is solid proof of CCPs past actions showing they will indeed remove and ban people from the CSM for doing exactly what you are claiming Aryth is doing/planning on doing based on two sentences he once uttered. We are eagerly awaiting for you to show proof, not more words, Proof to Us of an actual NDA violation, and not a simply reposting the same two sentences over and over again. Fine Print: (1)We, Our, and Us denotes the multiple personalities are getting bored of not seeing proof of illicit actions but merely a reposting of words.
I can't tell if you are serious talking about this "we" stuff. But whatever. You say "CCP has internal tools which can catch nefarious activity by any CSM members who might be jockeying for in game advantage by breaching the NDA." Of course if they give out the information out of game - which most discussion about eve is out of game CCP has no way to detect it. They do not have wiretaps set up on csm members. So CCP is stuck with a situation where they just see characters buying ans selling items. Why they do that is not part of the game. It is not something ccp can track at all.
Note Larkonis trassler not only did the trades on his own account but he also didn't even leave iceland before he did the trades. When asked about it he admitted it. So to hold him up as an example of how ccp can track anything down is just silly.
With Ank we don't know the situation and from what limitted information we had it did not sound like a situation where she was trying to get in game advantage but rather she actually gave some of this information to another company or misrepresented something. But either way this just demonstrates people on csm can not be trusted and that is the clear history we have. There are others you missed.
There are so many ways people can avoid getting caught taking advantage of this information it is just silly to say ccp will know. Lets say a bunch of people in an alliance decided they wanted to switch from manufacturing rorquals to making some other thing. Now maybe they did this because their csm member tipped them off. But then again maybe they did just decide it was time to use their minerals for something else. How is ccp to know this? If they ban the csm member when it just happened that the alliance made the decision to change (and csm was not involved at all) then they are clearly wrongfully banning him without sufficient evidence. But how could they possibly know whether a phone call was made? Answer: they can't. So anyone with even a small ounce of intelligence can use this information to help their alliance just like Aryth said he would do.
Do you think aryth was lying when he said he would do this? Do you not see how his explicitly saying he will do this and then ccp not even caring demonstrates what a joke this is? If a politician says hey I am going to skim money and do crooked deals for my friends if I get elected, and then people go ahead and elect him anyway, the only take away is that it is understood that bribes are business as usual.
For you to say my directly quoting someone saying they intend to use nda material to help their alliance is not evidence of anything just shows how out of touch you are.
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Posted - 2017.05.10 18:59:47 -
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Marcus Tedric wrote:It may have been covered.....
You can no longer 'Deliver' PLEX to a Corp Member from the Corp Delivery Assets ( - don't see why not)....
It now gives you a single 'Move to PLEX Vault' option - which doesn't work.
Yeah at first it said it wasn't yours when it was in the corp assets. So I contracted them all to a character and now I right click and say transfer to vault and nothing happens.
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