People also kinda need to be honest and accept the market changed as a whole. Video games aren't what they used to be 10 years ago.

subscriptins have to stay WAY over every possible MT regarding benefit and possibilities.....

why?

Because this stays a sub based game and every further step towards a ftp madness ccp will have to fight and will have to take out of our dead hands....

the line is drawn here......

Finally, a voice of reason emerges out of the deafening roar of MT jubilation.

In my opinion all MT items should be player made. The NES should only sell limited run BPC's for those items.

Now that would definitely kick industry up another notch in-game.



DMC

This. Hopefully, CCP has not forgotten their promise to never go the "Golden Ammo" route we feared they were headed when ARUM and the first iteration of the NES hit TQ. Eve doesn't need another Incarna.

I doubt CCP would be stupid enough to release micro-transactions that provide in-game advantages. It would kill EVE because the majority of the player-base would quit in disgust. Any game that offers pay-to-win is a cancer in the gaming industry and should be boycotted without question.

That being said cosmetic micro-transactions are perfectly acceptable. Perhaps premium hull variants for existing ships (no stat changes, just variations on the hull design)? Find a way to make the captains quarters actually interesting by making it up-gradable with certain items and furnishings that can be purchased - granted this would also necessitate giving people a reason to actually use the captains quarters, something I can't really provide an answer to short of bringing up the walking-in-stations argument again. Or perhaps you could have the ability to visit someone's quarters per invitation?

Well, we knew something like that was going to happen ever since they started hiring people from EA.

This. Hopefully, CCP has not forgotten their promise to never go the "Golden Ammo" route we feared they were headed when ARUM and the first iteration of the NES hit TQ. Eve doesn't need another Incarna.

jesus i've just seen a forum veteran

The difference with Eve NOT being P2W is that someone in game has made the isk or items that most of what the store sells. Hence you are only buying someone elses goods for an exchange through CCP, be it SP or isk which can buy other items in game. And for that right you have paid CCP directly, in the case of extractors, or a premium over a regular sub for plex and CCP regularly tosses in some extra swag as bonuses from time to time.

Regular P2W shops just let you buy in game items directly for cash that could be made or produced in game as well or better items that cannot be acquired any other way.


As long as CCP doesnt go the exclusivity route Eve isnt P2W nor ever will be. Its paying a premium to trade items, through isk, between people. And it nets CCP real life cash which keeps our game afloat and developing. So Im more than happy to support it with some reservations of course. Namely the exorbitant prices of goods vs the cash outlay, aka the jeans and monocles fiasco. That they want to make a buck doesnt bother me its just blatant greed that does. Value. Its something that this world seems to be doing away with as I get older. Eve has given me the most value for the money Ive put into it than anything else in my life. So I hope they continue down that pathway instead of the cash cow Zynga/Facebook games route.



That being said the Drifter omni damage ammo is actually a cool idea. Like the geckos really. Just make it do slightly less hps due to the omni nature and give specific resist hole ammo the clear dps advantage and it wouldnt be gold ammo at all but just another ammo type. To pay cash for this convenience might work then. But never be clearly "better" on all fronts.

So basically if they "wash" the RL money the players are investing to purchase in-game advantages by funnelling it trough the ISK market then it is magically no longer Pay2win? Good we talked about it..

Also in my opinion, selling relevant in-game items like the extractor on the store in one of the most expensive subscription games is the very definition of greedy. If I pay 15$ for access to the game each month I expect ALL THE CONTENT for free and yes that includes skins.

So basically if they "wash" the RL money the players are investing to purchase in-game advantages by funnelling it trough the ISK market then it is magically no longer Pay2win? Good we talked about it..

.That being said cosmetic micro-transactions are perfectly acceptable. Perhaps premium hull variants for existing ships (no stat changes, just variations on the hull design)? Find a way to make the captains quarters actually interesting by making it up-gradable with certain items and furnishings that can be purchased - granted this would also necessitate giving people a reason to actually use the captains quarters, something I can't really provide an answer to short of bringing up the walking-in-stations argument again. Or perhaps you could have the ability to visit someone's quarters per invitation?

give specific resist hole ammo the clear dps advantage and it wouldnt be gold ammo at all but just another ammo type.

I didn't get that logic either. It's like that "EVE has no PayToWin because you can't buy experience and practice" legend.
(While true in some caes, you can buy a ton of advantages in others.)

I think you are simply being a Debbie Downer here and going paranoid ebil ebil CCP. And I hope you arent right. We shall see in time and until then I shall enjoy the game I play.

Would you be worried about buyable double dps for your ship?

You mean like upgrading from Alpha to Omega status?

No i mean like a via PLEX buyable package in the shop that gives you double damage on all your weapons ingame.....

And calling THAT a "no problem" would lead to a more serious problem with your approach of the game... :-)

Monocle riots wen?!

We have SKINs. I think, when it comes to changing spaceship looks its fairly developed technology. SKINS could be expanded more into alliance SKIN creator where you could design your own and pay heaps of PLEX to then make it available to alliance members. Logos of alliance or corporation on spaceships would be nice too. Maybe unlocking the option for that could be bought with PLEX too, for all spaceships on characters in account?