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Donathan Slade Kay Korporation Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.05.02 16:37:00 - [1] first of all, I like to do both PvP & ratting. I need a **** to be able to do both (thats cheep for now). I ask 2 things: 1) Give both pvp and pve examples. 2) Stick to T1 as I don't have the money or skills for T2.. 3) I have about 3.5Mill SP - 1.3 for Learning 1/2 mill for drones.. 1/2 mill for spacecommand, the rest scattered evenly over stuff for modules and resists. ---- The problem: I want to know why I keep hearing the brutix sucks. Lack of CPU is the main problem, and using a CPU grid enhancer wastes a slot for something more useful. I like that the cost of a Brutix is cheep, and if I can effectively use one in pvp and pve that would be cool. I know its probably more of a blaster boat, so a MWD causes its cap to drop 25% (no way to lower this?). So, I need a little help! Thanks in advance.
Hannobaal Gallente Utopian Frontier	Posted - 2007.05.02 16:42:00 - [2] Whoever is telling you the Brutix sucks (and I've never heard anyone say that) doesn't know what he is talking about. Yeah, it's not as good as the Myrmidon (duh), but then again there's a price tag difference. ------------------ "If you ever need anything, please don't Hesitate to ask someone else first."
Serenity Frye Defile. Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.02 16:45:00 - [3] Lacks CPU ? u need to train more skills 'Tis better to be a Lion for one day then be a sheep for a hundred years'
kill0rbunny Alpha-Hirogen The Pentagram	Posted - 2007.05.02 16:48:00 - [4] I use this for small gang warfare. Heavy Electron Blaster II [200xVoid M] Heavy Electron Blaster II [200xVoid M] Heavy Electron Blaster II [200xVoid M] Heavy Electron Blaster II [200xVoid M] Heavy Electron Blaster II [200xVoid M] Heavy Electron Blaster II [200xVoid M] Heavy Electron Blaster II [200xVoid M] Sensor Booster II X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator Fleeting Warp Scrambler I 10MN MicroWarpdrive II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Small Armor Repairer II Damage Control II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Vespa II Vespa II Vespa II Vespa II Vespa II Nice Damage, Cheap, easy to replace. I'd prefer a Myrmidon/Dominix for pve though.
xenodia Gallente RONA Corporation RONA Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.02 16:50:00 - [5] Originally by: Donathan Slade first of all, I like to do both PvP & ratting. I need a **** to be able to do both (thats cheep for now). I ask 2 things: 1) Give both pvp and pve examples. 2) Stick to T1 as I don't have the money or skills for T2.. 3) I have about 3.5Mill SP - 1.3 for Learning 1/2 mill for drones.. 1/2 mill for spacecommand, the rest scattered evenly over stuff for modules and resists. ---- The problem: I want to know why I keep hearing the brutix sucks. Lack of CPU is the main problem, and using a CPU grid enhancer wastes a slot for something more useful. I like that the cost of a Brutix is cheep, and if I can effectively use one in pvp and pve that would be cool. I know its probably more of a blaster boat, so a MWD causes its cap to drop 25% (no way to lower this?). So, I need a little help! Thanks in advance. Brutix is a fine ship. Youre just too young to make full use of its potential. As a general rule, if you have to use CPU or grid enhancers on a ship to do its primary function, you arent skilled enough for that ship yet. Blaster gank brutix is pound for pound one of the highest damage ships there is. Especially if you consider bang for your buck. And if you want to rat, the brutix can fit a damn nice tank. Ive solo ratted in 0.0 in a brutix without issues, although a myrmidon is FAR superior as a solo ship. http://www.eve-ronacorp.com RONA Corp is Recruiting
Rik'tik'ticheck Minmatar Isendeldik Enterprises	Posted - 2007.05.02 17:00:00 - [6] of the top of my head i would say something like 7x heavy electron blaster 1x ab (or MWD) 1x web 1x scram (20km) 1x med cap booster 2x medium repper 1x explosive hard 2x eanm if you can't fit another repper you can just pit a damage control for even better res instead i'd say that yhe CPU might be a bit short if you fit all T2 as i the resists eat quite alot and so do 7 guns and the mid slots for PvE rails require less than blasters, so you can even beef up the fit on other points as a note, i always use the smallest mid - large sized short range guns for better tracking/clip size, altho not sure if grid/cpu could even fit the bigger ones =) ------- Well atleast you don't have to type that name for invites or coms..... My buddies loved me in EQ2 i can tell you...
Donathan Slade Kay Korporation Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.05.02 17:42:00 - [7] 7x heavy electron blaster 1x ab 1x web 1x scram (20km) 1x cap recharger 1x medium rep 1x damage control (or 2nd med repair) 1x explosive hard (n-type or too much cpu) 2x eanm This is the desired setup, and even with electronics 5, I have 4... your still 4 CPU short of equipping the above setup.
smallgreenblur Minmatar Wreckless Abandon Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.05.02 17:44:00 - [8] Have you swapped stuff out for best named? sgb
Donathan Slade Kay Korporation Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.05.02 17:49:00 - [9] Na, not yet. I also just realized that my Weapon Upgrades rank is only 2, and thats some savings there if I just get it to 3 or 4. But are there any other CPU skills? As per named, I'm not ratting in an area that currently drops named guns (unfortunately). But its my experience that named items use more CPU and power grid for extra benefits I also made the mistake of using the 7.5k range warp scram, than the 20k, thats 10 CPU as well.
Sebroth FinFleet Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.05.02 18:04:00 - [10] Originally by: Donathan Slade Na, not yet. I also just realized that my Weapon Upgrades rank is only 2, and thats some savings there if I just get it to 3 or 4. But are there any other CPU skills? As per named, I'm not ratting in an area that currently drops named guns (unfortunately). But its my experience that named items use more CPU and power grid for extra benefits I also made the mistake of using the 7.5k range warp scram, than the 20k, thats 10 CPU as well. named modules tend to use less cpu, never more. T2 can be hard on your cpu/pg even if you have "perfect" cpu/pg skills tho train up all the pg/cpu/cap skills to lvl 4 asap they will help you alot in pve you realy need the cap and in pvp it is important you can use a proper setup even if you have low dmg/tank skill early on ----- Never knock on Death's door; ring the doorbell and run (he hates that)
Mr Booby	Posted - 2007.05.02 18:24:00 - [11] pvp 7x t2 neutrons 1x web,1 x scram,1 x mwd,1 x cap mod 2x t2 mfs,1x exp hardener,1x t2 dc,1x pg mod (whatever it takes to fit shoud be a pdu) No reps as they just kill your cap so just fit this an kill them first. If u cloaked an see that the ship is unbeatable for u just mwd back to the gate. This setup can take down bs's fast if u lucky for him not to have very close range setup.
tango 5 Gallente Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.05.02 18:25:00 - [12] pvp 7x t2 neutrons 1x web,1 x scram,1 x mwd,1 x cap mod 2x t2 mfs,1x exp hardener,1x t2 dc,1x pg mod (whatever it takes to fit shoud be a pdu) No reps as they just kill your cap so just fit this an kill them first. If u cloaked an see that the ship is unbeatable for u just mwd back to the gate. This setup can take down bs's fast if u lucky for him not to have very close range setup. sorry this was my setup.Not mr boobies :))
Phish1 Liberty Forces Ratel Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.02 19:49:00 - [13] Originally by: kill0rbunny I use this for small gang warfare. Heavy Electron Blaster II [200xVoid M] Heavy Electron Blaster II [200xVoid M] Heavy Electron Blaster II [200xVoid M] Heavy Electron Blaster II [200xVoid M] Heavy Electron Blaster II [200xVoid M] Heavy Electron Blaster II [200xVoid M] Heavy Electron Blaster II [200xVoid M] Sensor Booster II X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator Fleeting Warp Scrambler I 10MN MicroWarpdrive II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Small Armor Repairer II Damage Control II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Vespa II Vespa II Vespa II Vespa II Vespa II Nice Damage, Cheap, easy to replace. I'd prefer a Myrmidon/Dominix for pve though. this without the SB II and a cap injector si good for solo too also i prefer ecm drones, 5 medium ecm drones will help allot, trust me
DiuxDium Free Mercenaries Union FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.02 19:54:00 - [14] solo; 5x ion ii, 2x nos mwd,scram,web,jector mar ii, active explo\kinetic, dcu ii, eanm ii -------------
ForeverKnight Caldari Thundercats RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.02 20:21:00 - [15] the sad truth is that anything a brutix can do, the myrmidon can do better.
MrTripps Gallente	Posted - 2007.05.02 20:37:00 - [16] A Brutix is nice for PVE. I use one with rails and can solo any Level 3 mission easily. I don't find it that good for PVP though. It needs blasters for good DPS, but then you need a MWD to get withing blaster range. Then this kills your cap. It can be ok if you fully pimp it out with T2, but if you are going to spend that much you might as well go for the Myr. "Life is nothing but a competition to be the criminal rather than the victim." - Bertrand Russell
Almarez Setenta Corp Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.02 20:49:00 - [17] Originally by: Donathan Slade first of all, I like to do both PvP & ratting. I need a **** to be able to do both (thats cheep for now). I ask 2 things: 1) Give both pvp and pve examples. 2) Stick to T1 as I don't have the money or skills for T2.. 3) I have about 3.5Mill SP - 1.3 for Learning 1/2 mill for drones.. 1/2 mill for spacecommand, the rest scattered evenly over stuff for modules and resists. ---- The problem: I want to know why I keep hearing the brutix sucks. Lack of CPU is the main problem, and using a CPU grid enhancer wastes a slot for something more useful. I like that the cost of a Brutix is cheep, and if I can effectively use one in pvp and pve that would be cool. I know its probably more of a blaster boat, so a MWD causes its cap to drop 25% (no way to lower this?). So, I need a little help! Thanks in advance. The Brutix is an awesome ship. I can't use T2 med hybrids but I am pretty sure that it outdamages my T2 Harbinger (tier 2 Amarrian BC). It's tank is also quite nice due to the armor rep amount bonus. I think you need to get your skills a little higher.
Lance Hawke Autopsy Inc	Posted - 2007.05.02 20:54:00 - [18] Originally by: Donathan Slade 2) Stick to T1 as I don't have the money or skills for T2.. Originally by: EVERYONE ELSE A LOAD OF T2 SETUPS Seriously.
DiuxDium Free Mercenaries Union FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.02 20:59:00 - [19] Edited by: DiuxDium on 02/05/2007 20:57:41 Originally by: Lance Hawke Originally by: Donathan Slade 2) Stick to T1 as I don't have the money or skills for T2.. Originally by: EVERYONE ELSE A LOAD OF T2 SETUPS Seriously. its 1 month of training, and not really worth flying without t2. All he has to do is replace the "II" symbols with "I" and he has t1 setups though. Originally by: Ala The Brutix is an awesome ship. I can't use T2 med hybrids but I am pretty sure that it outdamages my T2 Harbinger (tier 2 Amarrian BC). It's tank is also quite nice due to the armor rep amount bonus. I think you need to get your skills a little higher. Negative. A top end brutix + t2 drones. running 7x Neut and 3x MFS II, will top out at something like 700dps. I use this back in my priv days to camp stations. It has no tank, but boy ohh boy does it dish out pain. Harbinger I think tops out at what? like 770dps? I'm not sure, word is it's the highest DPS BC out there though. -------------
Janus Duo Gallente Sabre Inc	Posted - 2007.05.02 21:02:00 - [20] Edited by: Janus Duo on 02/05/2007 20:58:58 I fly: 4x Electron II, 3x Ion II MWD, injector, scram, web MAR II, DC II, 3x Magstab II 5x Hammerhead IIs Ex, Th, Ki resist rigs I've killed a nos-Myrm with T2 Ogres with this bad boy. Will hit 650dps which is only 50 dps less than a tank oriented Mega. It can handle 50% of Tier2 BC setups. Nothing is better than melting other ships in 60secs flat.
Donathan Slade Kay Korporation Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.05.02 21:05:00 - [21] First of all.. NO TECH TWO people need to plz read. I said this because if I'm going to afford Tech 2 I would rather fly a battleship, or something different as I only have 3.5 Mill SP! ---- On the next note. Again, it all comes down to "cap". The ability to fit a MWD, "for" the blasters. for ratting. I just don't see the "benefit" of using a Brutix... ever, if you can just get a myrm. SideNote - It seems the version I downloaded didn't have the Myrm or the Brutix update where... so I was about 100 CPU more than it "used" to be. so, yeah.. I can fit more things woot! .. it still eats cap like a *****, prob just a cheep pvp cruiser imo.
Donathan Slade Kay Korporation Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.05.02 21:09:00 - [22] Edited by: Donathan Slade on 02/05/2007 21:07:26 Originally by: Janus Duo Nothing is better than melting other ships in 60secs flat. Thats all that the brutix has cap for. :P BTW... what ammo type you guys using? T1 recommends?
DiuxDium Free Mercenaries Union FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.02 21:17:00 - [23] Originally by: Donathan Slade Edited by: Donathan Slade on 02/05/2007 21:07:26 Originally by: Janus Duo Nothing is better than melting other ships in 60secs flat. Thats all that the brutix has cap for. :P BTW... what ammo type you guys using? T1 recommends? You shouldn't even be thinking about flying a battleship with 3.5m SP. T2 guns arn't even that much more expensive than named t1 anyway. Your aversion to t2 seems odd.. Secondly, the brutix's cap lasts a very, very long time with 800 charges. For ammo, use AM. -------------
Azuse The Brotherhood Of The Blade The Makhai	Posted - 2007.05.02 21:27:00 - [24] If your wanting to rat (cheaply) then fit ions, leave electrons and dual reps for pvp. 7 ions mwd, web, 2 cap rechargers mar, dcu, 3 passive membranes 5 rat specific med drones Now on paper this will take 10 seconds longer to kill a 1.5 gruista than my domi, in reality its faster since i dont have to wait for my slow ass drone to get there (and is substantially cheaper ^^). Passive membranes save on cpu, even tii fits happily, you do need to train those compensations skills up a but but long term your going to have to do that anyway. Just fly strait towards them, web and blast away. Also, initially i started using this for sanshas, kills them almost as quick as a geddon. Good vale for isk
Aterna Talon's Grasp	Posted - 2007.05.02 21:34:00 - [25] 0.0 ratting brutix: 5x modal ion 2x medium diminishing nos 1x named mwd 1x x5 web 2x F-b10 cap rechargers 1x mar 2 3x hardener 1x cap relay (t1 is fine, named is better) This will tank all but the most die-hard serpentis rats (1.85 mil) with low skills. I flew this for several months in Fountain, and was able to rat quite well in it. It will perma-run everything so long as you stay in nos range. I don't remember the exact fitting, but I think T2 Ions don't fit unless you have advanced weapon upgrades to 3. Named will fit with a little grid to spare (less then 30). For solo pvp: 7x modal electron named mwd electrochem injector (800 charge) web 20k scram 2x mar II 2x eanm 1x mid-quality dcu OR 2x mar II 3x hardener The length of time needed to train T2 tanking skills is very short, and incredibly well worth it. T2 medium guns is about a month, but the ship still has decent power with best named fittings. All else equal, the Myrmidon is only 25m more expensive on average, and with T1 heavy drones and nos it makes for a potent PvP ship, and it is incredibly easy to fit (great slot layout, more grid/cpu then brutix). For all intents and purposes, I would fly the myrmidon first, it's the less SP intensive ship. It is also great training for the Domi (same layout, +1 low, more drone space). The brutix is a stepping stone towards the mega, and just like its little brother the thorax/deimos it has fitting pains and like the cruisers before and battleship after, it has cap problems if the fight drags out. - - - WTB new sig, evemail me please.
BootStrap Veiled Justice	Posted - 2007.05.02 22:15:00 - [26] Originally by: DiuxDium Originally by: Ala The Brutix is an awesome ship. I can't use T2 med hybrids but I am pretty sure that it outdamages my T2 Harbinger (tier 2 Amarrian BC). It's tank is also quite nice due to the armor rep amount bonus. I think you need to get your skills a little higher. Negative. A top end brutix + t2 drones. running 7x Neut and 3x MFS II, will top out at something like 700dps. I use this back in my priv days to camp stations. It has no tank, but boy ohh boy does it dish out pain. Harbinger I think tops out at what? like 770dps? I'm not sure, word is it's the highest DPS BC out there though. Sorry to slightly de-rail the thread but ... Myrm with 7 Ion II, 2 MFS II, and 5 Ogre IIs will do 910 DPS with void ammo and my skills (BC 5, DI 5, Gal drone spec 4, Heavy Blaster spec 4, surgical strike 4, 5% medium hybrid damage implant). It has very little tank and is vulnerable to heavy nos or losing its drones but it does put out high damage. Its also quite a tight fit. However, the Brutix is a very nice ship and I do still like flying it.
xenodia Gallente RONA Corporation RONA Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.02 22:18:00 - [27] Originally by: Donathan Slade Na, not yet. I also just realized that my Weapon Upgrades rank is only 2, and thats some savings there if I just get it to 3 or 4. But are there any other CPU skills? As per named, I'm not ratting in an area that currently drops named guns (unfortunately). But its my experience that named items use more CPU and power grid for extra benefits I also made the mistake of using the 7.5k range warp scram, than the 20k, thats 10 CPU as well. Named mods use less CPU than vanilla T1 mods. http://www.eve-ronacorp.com RONA Corp is Recruiting
xenodia Gallente RONA Corporation RONA Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.02 22:27:00 - [28] Originally by: DiuxDium The Brutix is an awesome ship. I can't use T2 med hybrids but I am pretty sure that it outdamages my T2 Harbinger (tier 2 Amarrian BC). It's tank is also quite nice due to the armor rep amount bonus. I think you need to get your skills a little higher. Negative. A top end brutix + t2 drones. running 7x Neut and 3x MFS II, will top out at something like 700dps. I use this back in my priv days to camp stations. It has no tank, but boy ohh boy does it dish out pain. Harbinger I think tops out at what? like 770dps? I'm not sure, word is it's the highest DPS BC out there though. Yeah but I'll take my myrmidon and do about 670 or so WITH a dual repper tank. You take your brutix with 700 DPS and no tank, I'll take my myrmidon with 670 DPS and strong tank, and well see how it goes :) But as far as the OP goes... it really sounds like its a skills issue, not a ship issue. Brutix has never had major CPU issues. It used to have powergrid issues, but that was fixed a number of patches ago. http://www.eve-ronacorp.com RONA Corp is Recruiting
DiuxDium Free Mercenaries Union FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.02 23:53:00 - [29] Originally by: BootStrap Edited by: BootStrap on 02/05/2007 22:19:29 Originally by: DiuxDium Originally by: Ala The Brutix is an awesome ship. I can't use T2 med hybrids but I am pretty sure that it outdamages my T2 Harbinger (tier 2 Amarrian BC). It's tank is also quite nice due to the armor rep amount bonus. I think you need to get your skills a little higher. Negative. A top end brutix + t2 drones. running 7x Neut and 3x MFS II, will top out at something like 700dps. I use this back in my priv days to camp stations. It has no tank, but boy ohh boy does it dish out pain. Harbinger I think tops out at what? like 770dps? I'm not sure, word is it's the highest DPS BC out there though. Sorry to slightly de-rail the thread but ... Myrm with 7 Ion II, 2 MFS II, and 5 Ogre IIs will do 910 DPS with void ammo and my skills (BC 5, DI 5, Gal drone spec 4, Heavy Blaster spec 4, surgical strike 4, 5% medium hybrid damage implant). It has very little tank and is vulnerable to heavy nos or losing its drones but it does put out high damage. Its also quite a tight fit. However, the Brutix is a very nice ship and I do still like flying it. [EDIT] With the same skills a Brutix with 7 Neutron IIs, void ammo, 3 MFS II and 5 Hammerhead IIs gives me 869 DPS [/EDIT] How do you fit 7 guns on a ship with 6 turret slots? -------------
murder one Gallente Death of Virtue Vigilance.	Posted - 2007.05.03 00:57:00 - [30] The brutix is great, just as long as you're not going up against a ship that's a BC or larger. Because I said so...

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