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Donathan Slade Kay Korporation Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.05.02 16:37:00 - [1] first of all, I like to do both PvP & ratting. I need a **** to be able to do both (thats cheep for now). I ask 2 things: 1) Give both pvp and pve examples. 2) Stick to T1 as I don't have the money or skills for T2.. 3) I have about 3.5Mill SP - 1.3 for Learning 1/2 mill for drones.. 1/2 mill for spacecommand, the rest scattered evenly over stuff for modules and resists. ---- The problem: I want to know why I keep hearing the brutix sucks. Lack of CPU is the main problem, and using a CPU grid enhancer wastes a slot for something more useful. I like that the cost of a Brutix is cheep, and if I can effectively use one in pvp and pve that would be cool. I know its probably more of a blaster boat, so a MWD causes its cap to drop 25% (no way to lower this?). So, I need a little help! Thanks in advance.
Hannobaal Gallente Utopian Frontier	Posted - 2007.05.02 16:42:00 - [2] Whoever is telling you the Brutix sucks (and I've never heard anyone say that) doesn't know what he is talking about. Yeah, it's not as good as the Myrmidon (duh), but then again there's a price tag difference. ------------------ "If you ever need anything, please don't Hesitate to ask someone else first."
Serenity Frye Defile. Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.02 16:45:00 - [3] Lacks CPU ? u need to train more skills 'Tis better to be a Lion for one day then be a sheep for a hundred years'
kill0rbunny Alpha-Hirogen The Pentagram	Posted - 2007.05.02 16:48:00 - [4] I use this for small gang warfare. Heavy Electron Blaster II [200xVoid M] Heavy Electron Blaster II [200xVoid M] Heavy Electron Blaster II [200xVoid M] Heavy Electron Blaster II [200xVoid M] Heavy Electron Blaster II [200xVoid M] Heavy Electron Blaster II [200xVoid M] Heavy Electron Blaster II [200xVoid M] Sensor Booster II X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator Fleeting Warp Scrambler I 10MN MicroWarpdrive II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Small Armor Repairer II Damage Control II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Vespa II Vespa II Vespa II Vespa II Vespa II Nice Damage, Cheap, easy to replace. I'd prefer a Myrmidon/Dominix for pve though.
xenodia Gallente RONA Corporation RONA Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.02 16:50:00 - [5] Originally by: Donathan Slade first of all, I like to do both PvP & ratting. I need a **** to be able to do both (thats cheep for now). I ask 2 things: 1) Give both pvp and pve examples. 2) Stick to T1 as I don't have the money or skills for T2.. 3) I have about 3.5Mill SP - 1.3 for Learning 1/2 mill for drones.. 1/2 mill for spacecommand, the rest scattered evenly over stuff for modules and resists. ---- The problem: I want to know why I keep hearing the brutix sucks. Lack of CPU is the main problem, and using a CPU grid enhancer wastes a slot for something more useful. I like that the cost of a Brutix is cheep, and if I can effectively use one in pvp and pve that would be cool. I know its probably more of a blaster boat, so a MWD causes its cap to drop 25% (no way to lower this?). So, I need a little help! Thanks in advance. Brutix is a fine ship. Youre just too young to make full use of its potential. As a general rule, if you have to use CPU or grid enhancers on a ship to do its primary function, you arent skilled enough for that ship yet. Blaster gank brutix is pound for pound one of the highest damage ships there is. Especially if you consider bang for your buck. And if you want to rat, the brutix can fit a damn nice tank. Ive solo ratted in 0.0 in a brutix without issues, although a myrmidon is FAR superior as a solo ship. http://www.eve-ronacorp.com RONA Corp is Recruiting
Rik'tik'ticheck Minmatar Isendeldik Enterprises	Posted - 2007.05.02 17:00:00 - [6] of the top of my head i would say something like 7x heavy electron blaster 1x ab (or MWD) 1x web 1x scram (20km) 1x med cap booster 2x medium repper 1x explosive hard 2x eanm if you can't fit another repper you can just pit a damage control for even better res instead i'd say that yhe CPU might be a bit short if you fit all T2 as i the resists eat quite alot and so do 7 guns and the mid slots for PvE rails require less than blasters, so you can even beef up the fit on other points as a note, i always use the smallest mid - large sized short range guns for better tracking/clip size, altho not sure if grid/cpu could even fit the bigger ones =) ------- Well atleast you don't have to type that name for invites or coms..... My buddies loved me in EQ2 i can tell you...
Donathan Slade Kay Korporation Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.05.02 17:42:00 - [7] 7x heavy electron blaster 1x ab 1x web 1x scram (20km) 1x cap recharger 1x medium rep 1x damage control (or 2nd med repair) 1x explosive hard (n-type or too much cpu) 2x eanm This is the desired setup, and even with electronics 5, I have 4... your still 4 CPU short of equipping the above setup.
smallgreenblur Minmatar Wreckless Abandon Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.05.02 17:44:00 - [8] Have you swapped stuff out for best named? sgb
Donathan Slade Kay Korporation Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.05.02 17:49:00 - [9] Na, not yet. I also just realized that my Weapon Upgrades rank is only 2, and thats some savings there if I just get it to 3 or 4. But are there any other CPU skills? As per named, I'm not ratting in an area that currently drops named guns (unfortunately). But its my experience that named items use more CPU and power grid for extra benefits I also made the mistake of using the 7.5k range warp scram, than the 20k, thats 10 CPU as well.
Sebroth FinFleet Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.05.02 18:04:00 - [10] Originally by: Donathan Slade Na, not yet. I also just realized that my Weapon Upgrades rank is only 2, and thats some savings there if I just get it to 3 or 4. But are there any other CPU skills? As per named, I'm not ratting in an area that currently drops named guns (unfortunately). But its my experience that named items use more CPU and power grid for extra benefits I also made the mistake of using the 7.5k range warp scram, than the 20k, thats 10 CPU as well. named modules tend to use less cpu, never more. T2 can be hard on your cpu/pg even if you have "perfect" cpu/pg skills tho train up all the pg/cpu/cap skills to lvl 4 asap they will help you alot in pve you realy need the cap and in pvp it is important you can use a proper setup even if you have low dmg/tank skill early on ----- Never knock on Death's door; ring the doorbell and run (he hates that)
Mr Booby	Posted - 2007.05.02 18:24:00 - [11] pvp 7x t2 neutrons 1x web,1 x scram,1 x mwd,1 x cap mod 2x t2 mfs,1x exp hardener,1x t2 dc,1x pg mod (whatever it takes to fit shoud be a pdu) No reps as they just kill your cap so just fit this an kill them first. If u cloaked an see that the ship is unbeatable for u just mwd back to the gate. This setup can take down bs's fast if u lucky for him not to have very close range setup.
tango 5 Gallente Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.05.02 18:25:00 - [12] pvp 7x t2 neutrons 1x web,1 x scram,1 x mwd,1 x cap mod 2x t2 mfs,1x exp hardener,1x t2 dc,1x pg mod (whatever it takes to fit shoud be a pdu) No reps as they just kill your cap so just fit this an kill them first. If u cloaked an see that the ship is unbeatable for u just mwd back to the gate. This setup can take down bs's fast if u lucky for him not to have very close range setup. sorry this was my setup.Not mr boobies :))
Phish1 Liberty Forces Ratel Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.02 19:49:00 - [13] Originally by: kill0rbunny I use this for small gang warfare. Heavy Electron Blaster II [200xVoid M] Heavy Electron Blaster II [200xVoid M] Heavy Electron Blaster II [200xVoid M] Heavy Electron Blaster II [200xVoid M] Heavy Electron Blaster II [200xVoid M] Heavy Electron Blaster II [200xVoid M] Heavy Electron Blaster II [200xVoid M] Sensor Booster II X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator Fleeting Warp Scrambler I 10MN MicroWarpdrive II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Small Armor Repairer II Damage Control II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Vespa II Vespa II Vespa II Vespa II Vespa II Nice Damage, Cheap, easy to replace. I'd prefer a Myrmidon/Dominix for pve though. this without the SB II and a cap injector si good for solo too also i prefer ecm drones, 5 medium ecm drones will help allot, trust me
DiuxDium Free Mercenaries Union FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.02 19:54:00 - [14] solo; 5x ion ii, 2x nos mwd,scram,web,jector mar ii, active explo\kinetic, dcu ii, eanm ii -------------
ForeverKnight Caldari Thundercats RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.02 20:21:00 - [15] the sad truth is that anything a brutix can do, the myrmidon can do better.
MrTripps Gallente	Posted - 2007.05.02 20:37:00 - [16] A Brutix is nice for PVE. I use one with rails and can solo any Level 3 mission easily. I don't find it that good for PVP though. It needs blasters for good DPS, but then you need a MWD to get withing blaster range. Then this kills your cap. It can be ok if you fully pimp it out with T2, but if you are going to spend that much you might as well go for the Myr. "Life is nothing but a competition to be the criminal rather than the victim." - Bertrand Russell
Almarez Setenta Corp Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.02 20:49:00 - [17] Originally by: Donathan Slade first of all, I like to do both PvP & ratting. I need a **** to be able to do both (thats cheep for now). I ask 2 things: 1) Give both pvp and pve examples. 2) Stick to T1 as I don't have the money or skills for T2.. 3) I have about 3.5Mill SP - 1.3 for Learning 1/2 mill for drones.. 1/2 mill for spacecommand, the rest scattered evenly over stuff for modules and resists. ---- The problem: I want to know why I keep hearing the brutix sucks. Lack of CPU is the main problem, and using a CPU grid enhancer wastes a slot for something more useful. I like that the cost of a Brutix is cheep, and if I can effectively use one in pvp and pve that would be cool. I know its probably more of a blaster boat, so a MWD causes its cap to drop 25% (no way to lower this?). So, I need a little help! Thanks in advance. The Brutix is an awesome ship. I can't use T2 med hybrids but I am pretty sure that it outdamages my T2 Harbinger (tier 2 Amarrian BC). It's tank is also quite nice due to the armor rep amount bonus. I think you need to get your skills a little higher.
Lance Hawke Autopsy Inc	Posted - 2007.05.02 20:54:00 - [18] Originally by: Donathan Slade 2) Stick to T1 as I don't have the money or skills for T2.. Originally by: EVERYONE ELSE A LOAD OF T2 SETUPS Seriously.
DiuxDium Free Mercenaries Union FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.02 20:59:00 - [19] Edited by: DiuxDium on 02/05/2007 20:57:41 Originally by: Lance Hawke Originally by: Donathan Slade 2) Stick to T1 as I don't have the money or skills for T2.. Originally by: EVERYONE ELSE A LOAD OF T2 SETUPS Seriously. its 1 month of training, and not really worth flying without t2. All he has to do is replace the "II" symbols with "I" and he has t1 setups though. Originally by: Ala The Brutix is an awesome ship. I can't use T2 med hybrids but I am pretty sure that it outdamages my T2 Harbinger (tier 2 Amarrian BC). It's tank is also quite nice due to the armor rep amount bonus. I think you need to get your skills a little higher. Negative. A top end brutix + t2 drones. running 7x Neut and 3x MFS II, will top out at something like 700dps. I use this back in my priv days to camp stations. It has no tank, but boy ohh boy does it dish out pain. Harbinger I think tops out at what? like 770dps? I'm not sure, word is it's the highest DPS BC out there though. -------------
Janus Duo Gallente Sabre Inc	Posted - 2007.05.02 21:02:00 - [20] Edited by: Janus Duo on 02/05/2007 20:58:58 I fly: 4x Electron II, 3x Ion II MWD, injector, scram, web MAR II, DC II, 3x Magstab II 5x Hammerhead IIs Ex, Th, Ki resist rigs I've killed a nos-Myrm with T2 Ogres with this bad boy. Will hit 650dps which is only 50 dps less than a tank oriented Mega. It can handle 50% of Tier2 BC setups. Nothing is better than melting other ships in 60secs flat.
Donathan Slade Kay Korporation Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.05.02 21:05:00 - [21] First of all.. NO TECH TWO people need to plz read. I said this because if I'm going to afford Tech 2 I would rather fly a battleship, or something different as I only have 3.5 Mill SP! ---- On the next note. Again, it all comes down to "cap". The ability to fit a MWD, "for" the blasters. for ratting. I just don't see the "benefit" of using a Brutix... ever, if you can just get a myrm. SideNote - It seems the version I downloaded didn't have the Myrm or the Brutix update where... so I was about 100 CPU more than it "used" to be. so, yeah.. I can fit more things woot! .. it still eats cap like a *****, prob just a cheep pvp cruiser imo.
Donathan Slade Kay Korporation Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.05.02 21:09:00 - [22] Edited by: Donathan Slade on 02/05/2007 21:07:26 Originally by: Janus Duo Nothing is better than melting other ships in 60secs flat. Thats all that the brutix has cap for. :P BTW... what ammo type you guys using? T1 recommends?
DiuxDium Free Mercenaries Union FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.02 21:17:00 - [23] Originally by: Donathan Slade Edited by: Donathan Slade on 02/05/2007 21:07:26 Originally by: Janus Duo Nothing is better than melting other ships in 60secs flat. Thats all that the brutix has cap for. :P BTW... what ammo type you guys using? T1 recommends? You shouldn't even be thinking about flying a battleship with 3.5m SP. T2 guns arn't even that much more expensive than named t1 anyway. Your aversion to t2 seems odd.. Secondly, the brutix's cap lasts a very, very long time with 800 charges. For ammo, use AM. -------------
Azuse The Brotherhood Of The Blade The Makhai	Posted - 2007.05.02 21:27:00 - [24] If your wanting to rat (cheaply) then fit ions, leave electrons and dual reps for pvp. 7 ions mwd, web, 2 cap rechargers mar, dcu, 3 passive membranes 5 rat specific med drones Now on paper this will take 10 seconds longer to kill a 1.5 gruista than my domi, in reality its faster since i dont have to wait for my slow ass drone to get there (and is substantially cheaper ^^). Passive membranes save on cpu, even tii fits happily, you do need to train those compensations skills up a but but long term your going to have to do that anyway. Just fly strait towards them, web and blast away. Also, initially i started using this for sanshas, kills them almost as quick as a geddon. Good vale for isk
Aterna Talon's Grasp	Posted - 2007.05.02 21:34:00 - [25] 0.0 ratting brutix: 5x modal ion 2x medium diminishing nos 1x named mwd 1x x5 web 2x F-b10 cap rechargers 1x mar 2 3x hardener 1x cap relay (t1 is fine, named is better) This will tank all but the most die-hard serpentis rats (1.85 mil) with low skills. I flew this for several months in Fountain, and was able to rat quite well in it. It will perma-run everything so long as you stay in nos range. I don't remember the exact fitting, but I think T2 Ions don't fit unless you have advanced weapon upgrades to 3. Named will fit with a little grid to spare (less then 30). For solo pvp: 7x modal electron named mwd electrochem injector (800 charge) web 20k scram 2x mar II 2x eanm 1x mid-quality dcu OR 2x mar II 3x hardener The length of time needed to train T2 tanking skills is very short, and incredibly well worth it. T2 medium guns is about a month, but the ship still has decent power with best named fittings. All else equal, the Myrmidon is only 25m more expensive on average, and with T1 heavy drones and nos it makes for a potent PvP ship, and it is incredibly easy to fit (great slot layout, more grid/cpu then brutix). For all intents and purposes, I would fly the myrmidon first, it's the less SP intensive ship. It is also great training for the Domi (same layout, +1 low, more drone space). The brutix is a stepping stone towards the mega, and just like its little brother the thorax/deimos it has fitting pains and like the cruisers before and battleship after, it has cap problems if the fight drags out. - - - WTB new sig, evemail me please.
BootStrap Veiled Justice	Posted - 2007.05.02 22:15:00 - [26] Originally by: DiuxDium Originally by: Ala The Brutix is an awesome ship. I can't use T2 med hybrids but I am pretty sure that it outdamages my T2 Harbinger (tier 2 Amarrian BC). It's tank is also quite nice due to the armor rep amount bonus. I think you need to get your skills a little higher. Negative. A top end brutix + t2 drones. running 7x Neut and 3x MFS II, will top out at something like 700dps. I use this back in my priv days to camp stations. It has no tank, but boy ohh boy does it dish out pain. Harbinger I think tops out at what? like 770dps? I'm not sure, word is it's the highest DPS BC out there though. Sorry to slightly de-rail the thread but ... Myrm with 7 Ion II, 2 MFS II, and 5 Ogre IIs will do 910 DPS with void ammo and my skills (BC 5, DI 5, Gal drone spec 4, Heavy Blaster spec 4, surgical strike 4, 5% medium hybrid damage implant). It has very little tank and is vulnerable to heavy nos or losing its drones but it does put out high damage. Its also quite a tight fit. However, the Brutix is a very nice ship and I do still like flying it.
xenodia Gallente RONA Corporation RONA Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.02 22:18:00 - [27] Originally by: Donathan Slade Na, not yet. I also just realized that my Weapon Upgrades rank is only 2, and thats some savings there if I just get it to 3 or 4. But are there any other CPU skills? As per named, I'm not ratting in an area that currently drops named guns (unfortunately). But its my experience that named items use more CPU and power grid for extra benefits I also made the mistake of using the 7.5k range warp scram, than the 20k, thats 10 CPU as well. Named mods use less CPU than vanilla T1 mods. http://www.eve-ronacorp.com RONA Corp is Recruiting
xenodia Gallente RONA Corporation RONA Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.02 22:27:00 - [28] Originally by: DiuxDium The Brutix is an awesome ship. I can't use T2 med hybrids but I am pretty sure that it outdamages my T2 Harbinger (tier 2 Amarrian BC). It's tank is also quite nice due to the armor rep amount bonus. I think you need to get your skills a little higher. Negative. A top end brutix + t2 drones. running 7x Neut and 3x MFS II, will top out at something like 700dps. I use this back in my priv days to camp stations. It has no tank, but boy ohh boy does it dish out pain. Harbinger I think tops out at what? like 770dps? I'm not sure, word is it's the highest DPS BC out there though. Yeah but I'll take my myrmidon and do about 670 or so WITH a dual repper tank. You take your brutix with 700 DPS and no tank, I'll take my myrmidon with 670 DPS and strong tank, and well see how it goes :) But as far as the OP goes... it really sounds like its a skills issue, not a ship issue. Brutix has never had major CPU issues. It used to have powergrid issues, but that was fixed a number of patches ago. http://www.eve-ronacorp.com RONA Corp is Recruiting
DiuxDium Free Mercenaries Union FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.02 23:53:00 - [29] Originally by: BootStrap Edited by: BootStrap on 02/05/2007 22:19:29 Originally by: DiuxDium Originally by: Ala The Brutix is an awesome ship. I can't use T2 med hybrids but I am pretty sure that it outdamages my T2 Harbinger (tier 2 Amarrian BC). It's tank is also quite nice due to the armor rep amount bonus. I think you need to get your skills a little higher. Negative. A top end brutix + t2 drones. running 7x Neut and 3x MFS II, will top out at something like 700dps. I use this back in my priv days to camp stations. It has no tank, but boy ohh boy does it dish out pain. Harbinger I think tops out at what? like 770dps? I'm not sure, word is it's the highest DPS BC out there though. Sorry to slightly de-rail the thread but ... Myrm with 7 Ion II, 2 MFS II, and 5 Ogre IIs will do 910 DPS with void ammo and my skills (BC 5, DI 5, Gal drone spec 4, Heavy Blaster spec 4, surgical strike 4, 5% medium hybrid damage implant). It has very little tank and is vulnerable to heavy nos or losing its drones but it does put out high damage. Its also quite a tight fit. However, the Brutix is a very nice ship and I do still like flying it. [EDIT] With the same skills a Brutix with 7 Neutron IIs, void ammo, 3 MFS II and 5 Hammerhead IIs gives me 869 DPS [/EDIT] How do you fit 7 guns on a ship with 6 turret slots? -------------
murder one Gallente Death of Virtue Vigilance.	Posted - 2007.05.03 00:57:00 - [30] The brutix is great, just as long as you're not going up against a ship that's a BC or larger. Because I said so...
Dahak2150 Chaos Monkeys	Posted - 2007.05.03 01:24:00 - [31] So much stupid in this thread. -Brutix is not a battleship. -Myrmidon only has 6 turrets, not 7. -Buttloads of T2 setups. -So on and so forth. ---------------- If you're on IE, pretend this is transparent while you get a browser that supports .png.
Krulla Minmatar Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.05.03 01:41:00 - [32] Edited by: Krulla on 03/05/2007 01:38:04 The brutix does not suck. It gets a bit overshadowed by the Myrmidon, sure, but it's still awesome. Try fitting it with a pure neutron and ion gank setup, and and you'll see what I mean. I find the shock factor of a gank brutix doing 700 DPS catches people off guard often enough to score you some easy kills. ------------------------- Sigs are for noobs.
DiuxDium Free Mercenaries Union FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.03 02:32:00 - [33] Edited by: DiuxDium on 03/05/2007 02:30:28 Originally by: Krulla Edited by: Krulla on 03/05/2007 01:38:04 The brutix does not suck. It gets a bit overshadowed by the Myrmidon, sure, but it's still awesome. Try fitting it with a pure neutron and ion gank setup, and and you'll see what I mean. I find the shock factor of a gank brutix doing 700 DPS catches people off guard often enough to score you some easy kills. Pictures like that make me wet my self. Thanks . p.s Was your DCU off? If so, hardcore. e; 3ions/4neut setup? -------------
Vincent Almasy Gallente The Underground	Posted - 2007.05.03 03:43:00 - [34] Pure T1: High: 6x Electron 1x Ion Med: 10MN MWD Web 20k jamm Med Inject Low: MAR 800mm plate Damage control Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Magnetic stablizer use antimatter
RiotRick Black-Sun Insomnia.	Posted - 2007.05.03 08:23:00 - [35] Edited by: RiotRick on 03/05/2007 08:24:52 Edited by: RiotRick on 03/05/2007 08:21:37 Originally by: ForeverKnight the sad truth is that anything a brutix can do, the myrmidon can do better. I do not agree with that. Myrmidon is a great ship, but so is the brutix. Fitted up with a full rack of t2 blasters and some magstabs the brutix packs quite a punch. You can easily get it way over 500dps, which will mostly take down a hunter battleship in less than 30 seconds. And it's cheap :) You do however need some skills to effectively use the ship.
Laboratus Gallente BGG League of Abnormal Gentlemen	Posted - 2007.05.03 08:55:00 - [36] Brutix is a great ship. And quite inexpensive compared to battleships... A thorax can go to about 500dps, more with several mag stabs, but with the 2 extra turret slots and an extra low slot, you can squeeze decent battleship class dps out of the brutix. We are talking 700+... Considering that kind of damage from a ~50M fit, it is quite cost effective. It has some serious issues though. With a mandatory MWD, you are gonna be toast if you keep it running, since you will be receiving good hits from BS sized guns and MAR II rep will not be able to handle that for very long... But, with some luck, you can get your orbit at 500-1000m and if you live the mwd cycle, you will have a pretty good position and dps :) ___ P.S. Post with your main. Mind control and tin hats
murder one Gallente Death of Virtue Vigilance.	Posted - 2007.05.03 10:08:00 - [37] The Brutix is obsolete and here's why: It simply runs out of cap if it's fighting anything larger than a cruiser. Put a few Nos on it and it's dead. Fit a few nos on it and it can't do much DPS (relative to other BCs). Fit it for gank and it literally has no tank, and it'll be dead very quick, while the HP buff in Revelations and the ammo damage nerf (again, in Rev1) really hurt it's killing speed. Blaster ships such as the Brutix depend on massive DPS in order to kill the target fast enough before it either A) runs out of cap, or B) runs out of tank. Due to the changes in Rev1 it can do neither. Myrmidons and Hurricanes eat it for lunch. Against a properly set up Drake it's just a joke. The Harbinger will shred it as well. I've never liked the Ferox or Prophecy or Cyclone (Cyclone and Ferox are just too ugly to fly, and the Proph- lasers are bleh), but the Brutix just doesn't have the punch it once did. If you really want to fly a blaster BC, train up for an Astarte. After flying one of those, you'll be spoiled for anything else. Just don't run into a nos ship. Because I said so...
n0thing Northern Intelligence Artificial Intelligence.	Posted - 2007.05.03 11:34:00 - [38] Heres my pvp Brutix mainly with named/T2 since my amount of skills is close to OP`s. 7x Modal Electrons w/ AM 1x Named MWD, 1x 20k Disruptor, 1x Named web, 1x Medium Electrochemical cap booster with 800s 2x Med Rep II, 1x Named DCU, 1x Explosive hardener, 1x EANM. 5x Valkirie drones or 10 lights. Does job fairly well against smaller targets and maybe even same size but not very expirienced or skilled. If you say your drone SP is bigger then gunnery, you should try Myrmidon out, they are little less durable(you can loose drones in fight), but certainly can be prowerful for you if you got enough drone SP. ---
Cyhawk	Posted - 2007.05.03 11:36:00 - [39] Actually the Brutix isn't that bad. I fly L2/L3 missions in one just for kicks. Course, Im also Insane. But it works pretty well. Now, I use alot of T2 stuff, so i fired up Quickfit for you and can give you the stats for T1 fit compared to T2 fit for the same ship. One thing I've noticed over the years is, the Brutix, no matter what, has a massive cap problem. I, personally haven't been able to bypass this. (its a great rush and blow up ship though for PvP). This is my PvE Shield Tank Setup. Its funky as hell, Fun, and totally unexpected. It works, almost as good as my Ferox. Also for the purpose of this thread, I modified relavant skills to 4, instead of my personal 5. (it would take months to get them all to 5.. so im trying to help out) Tech 1: (I also used base guns, non-named for this) --- Highs --- 3x 720 Artillery I 4x 250 Artillery I --- Mediums --- 4x Large Shield Extender I --- Lows --- 5x Shield Power Relay I --- Drones --- 5x Medium Drones of Choice/Damage (I like Kin/Thermal) Raw QuickFit Stats: 13,687 shields and 327/total regen == 104.43 shield/second at Optimal Thats not bad. Most of your damage will be done via Drones, the Arty is there for Backup/Range/Arggo/Close Range Frigs/ie Cleanup. This doesnt take many skills to fly, you could do it within 1.5mill SPs. And of course all T1 fittings. I have sucessfuly flown L2/L3 missions in it, and some low sec belt ratting. Just don't get nosed =) It doesnt take many additional skills to make this useful. All you need are the base Shield and Arty skills (maybe a week at most?) Now for T2 (you'll see a huge improvement, with a minimal of additional skills, cost goes through the roof though) --- Tech 2 Fitting --- --- High --- 2x 720mm Artillery II 5x 250mm Artillery II --- Mediums --- 4x Large Shield Extender II --- Lows --- 5x Shield Power Relay II --- Rigs --- 3x Core Defense Field Purger I --- Drones --- 5x Tech 2 Medium Drones of Choice (Also 5x T2 Scouts works, depending on situation I'll use scouts) -- Tank WITH Rigs --- 17287 Shields / 129 Regen ------------------------- 332.91 Regen/Second at Optimal -- *Tank WITHOUT* Rigs** --- 17287 Shields / 259 Regen/total ------------------------- 170.45 Regen/Second at Optimal Now thats what I'm talking about baby! 332.91 Regen/Second at Optimal. Who needs resists when you regen that much? Seriously, i was doing a L3 Angel Extrav mission eariler with this, arrgoed 1/2 the second room, got a call, we out for an hour, came back, and was still sitting at 40% shields. (I knew I should of let the drones out... ugh) Now for PVP, I still say a Nano, Untanked, Blastix with Mag stabs and an MWD + antimatter is good, then again I fly in fleets, so Im never called a target in a Brutix. Inertia Damps might be useful too since it turns like a Slug in a salt mine... moves like one to.. Yeah so? It has bonuses to Armor Tank and Hybrids? And? Who says you have to fly that? This works, and Works well.
lyrenna Caldari	Posted - 2007.05.03 11:50:00 - [40] Edited by: lyrenna on 03/05/2007 11:47:03 no its realy a great ship and its fun to fly:) but just its shadowed by myrmidon's cookie cutter nos (tm) setups:) its great with blasters for pvp but better to swicth of with rails for pve ============================ when you armor tank a raven god kills a kitten. Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria!!! "sig hijack!" ============================
Laboratus Gallente BGG League of Abnormal Gentlemen	Posted - 2007.05.03 12:04:00 - [41] Originally by: murder one Blaster ships such as the Brutix depend on massive DPS in order to kill the target fast enough before it either A) runs out of cap, or B) runs out of tank. Due to the changes in Rev1 it can do neither. Myrmidons and Hurricanes eat it for lunch. Against a properly set up Drake it's just a joke. The Harbinger will shred it as well. I've never liked the Ferox or Prophecy or Cyclone (Cyclone and Ferox are just too ugly to fly, and the Proph- lasers are bleh), but the Brutix just doesn't have the punch it once did. If you really want to fly a blaster BC, train up for an Astarte. After flying one of those, you'll be spoiled for anything else. Just don't run into a nos ship. Last time I played with my blaster brutix in EC-, I entertained 3 nos domis. When we all run out of drones and I could not get past their tanks (collective repping b******s) I just MWDd out. \o/ for cap booster 800s, I say. It just needs the boosters... ___ P.S. Post with your main. Mind control and tin hats
Donathan Slade Kay Korporation Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.05.03 13:45:00 - [42] Edited by: Donathan Slade on 03/05/2007 13:42:00 Originally by: murder one If you really want to fly a blaster BC, train up for an Astarte. After flying one of those, you'll be spoiled for anything else. Just don't run into a nos ship. LOL, yeah.. an Astarte is like 250 Mill!! lol, rather fly a mega or a hyper at that rate (unless its gang rat/mission running). But I get the point of what you said... Its not worth it unless your expecting to loose your ship and want to keep isk looses to a minimum. On the other hand, fly a myrm or something more and have less hance of even loosing the ship. Edit: Why does everybody say to use cap injectors? they just take a TON of money and cargo space?
lyrenna Caldari	Posted - 2007.05.03 13:57:00 - [43] no cap=no pewpew+no repair+no mwd/ab renderly useless so cap injector is realy realy a must in pvp they are cheap then blowing up anyway ============================ when you armor tank a raven god kills a kitten. Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria!!! "sig hijack!" ============================
Dread Phantom Caldari Project-Chaos	Posted - 2007.05.03 14:17:00 - [44] Originally by: Donathan Slade Edited by: Donathan Slade on 03/05/2007 13:42:00 Originally by: murder one If you really want to fly a blaster BC, train up for an Astarte. After flying one of those, you'll be spoiled for anything else. Just don't run into a nos ship. LOL, yeah.. an Astarte is like 250 Mill!! lol, rather fly a mega or a hyper at that rate (unless its gang rat/mission running). But I get the point of what you said... Its not worth it unless your expecting to loose your ship and want to keep isk looses to a minimum. On the other hand, fly a myrm or something more and have less hance of even loosing the ship. Edit: Why does everybody say to use cap injectors? they just take a TON of money and cargo space? 250 mill for an astarte and tech2 guns are cheaper then tech1, and cap injectors take a ton of money? can you even afford a brutix or is this thread hypothetical
n0thing Northern Intelligence Artificial Intelligence.	Posted - 2007.05.03 14:46:00 - [45] Injectors rather take a ton of time, if your pvping in no-sec then after 3-4 fights your fresh out and need to go rearm....again. I wish they introduce ammo bay like drone bay but make stuff from cargo movable to ammo bay tho only within 2-3 mins of holdup and no warp/jump/dock during that. ---
Janu Hull Caldari Order of Z Industries	Posted - 2007.05.03 15:24:00 - [46] Originally by: n0thing Injectors rather take a ton of time, if your pvping in no-sec then after 3-4 fights your fresh out and need to go rearm....again. I wish they introduce ammo bay like drone bay but make stuff from cargo movable to ammo bay tho only within 2-3 mins of holdup and no warp/jump/dock during that. I finally started carrying small cargo containers for extra ammo storage. Keep enough in the open hold for a reasonably long fight, and pull the new stuff out when its needed. This is my sig, there are many others just like it. With me, my sig is worthless. Without (or with even) my sig, I am worthless...
Mithrantir Ob'lontra Gallente Ixion Defence Systems The Cyrene Initiative	Posted - 2007.05.03 16:47:00 - [47] Originally by: DiuxDium How do you fit 7 guns on a ship with 6 turret slots? I would like to introduce you to The Brutix. Brutix is a fine ship but has some inherent difficulties like Thorax. It needs a good load of sp to really show it's full capabilities. It's a blaster/rail boat with whatever pros and cons each case has on a tier1 Battlecruiser. Especially in the blaster setup it needs a cap injector to stay alive and a NOS or 2 to help things running. You have to understand that is typical of the philosophy CCP has for Galente ships, get in close and deal damage. The tank part and how to get close is something you have to think it out for yourself and how you like flying a ship. ------- Nobody can be exactly like me. Even I have trouble doing it.
Donathan Slade Kay Korporation Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.05.03 16:48:00 - [48] Originally by: Dread Phantom 250 mill for an astarte and tech2 guns are cheaper then tech1, and cap injectors take a ton of money? can you even afford a brutix or is this thread hypothetical No, its not "hypothetical" and yes, I can afford one. Its skills that limit me from flying BS's and being able to afford to loose one. The reason I was to fly a BC, is because its cheep and could pack a punch, and I want something more than a Thorax for PvP/group ratting. Eventually,(week from now) I'm just going to get a Dommy for solo ratting or mission running.
AegriSomnia Caldari Aegis Incorporated	Posted - 2007.05.03 16:55:00 - [49] NERF AMARR!!
BootStrap Veiled Justice	Posted - 2007.05.03 17:24:00 - [50] Originally by: DiuxDium Originally by: BootStrap Edited by: BootStrap on 02/05/2007 22:19:29 Originally by: DiuxDium Originally by: Ala The Brutix is an awesome ship. I can't use T2 med hybrids but I am pretty sure that it outdamages my T2 Harbinger (tier 2 Amarrian BC). It's tank is also quite nice due to the armor rep amount bonus. I think you need to get your skills a little higher. Negative. A top end brutix + t2 drones. running 7x Neut and 3x MFS II, will top out at something like 700dps. I use this back in my priv days to camp stations. It has no tank, but boy ohh boy does it dish out pain. Harbinger I think tops out at what? like 770dps? I'm not sure, word is it's the highest DPS BC out there though. Sorry to slightly de-rail the thread but ... Myrm with 7 Ion II, 2 MFS II, and 5 Ogre IIs will do 910 DPS with void ammo and my skills (BC 5, DI 5, Gal drone spec 4, Heavy Blaster spec 4, surgical strike 4, 5% medium hybrid damage implant). It has very little tank and is vulnerable to heavy nos or losing its drones but it does put out high damage. Its also quite a tight fit. However, the Brutix is a very nice ship and I do still like flying it. [EDIT] With the same skills a Brutix with 7 Neutron IIs, void ammo, 3 MFS II and 5 Hammerhead IIs gives me 869 DPS [/EDIT] How do you fit 7 guns on a ship with 6 turret slots? Sorry, it was late, 6 guns with void and 5 ogre IIs gives me 873 DPS
Gaius Sejanus Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.05.03 17:24:00 - [51] Quote: Na, not yet. I also just realized that my Weapon Upgrades rank is only 2, and thats some savings there if I just get it to 3 or 4. But are there any other CPU skills? You'll actually want to get Weapon Upgrades to 5, because that's the pre-req for Advanced Weapon Upgrades...and AWU is hard to live without. Unfortunately, Weapon Upgrades 4 --> 5 is somewhat soul-destroying.
Donathan Slade Kay Korporation Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.05.03 17:48:00 - [52] Ah, there is the skill I was wondering about lol.. Advanced .... wow, suck
RiotRick Black-Sun Insomnia.	Posted - 2007.05.04 08:21:00 - [53] Originally by: AegriSomnia NERF AMARR!! Nice signature dude ;)
Cybrex	Posted - 2007.05.04 08:59:00 - [54] Originally by: BootStrap Originally by: DiuxDium Originally by: BootStrap Edited by: BootStrap on 02/05/2007 22:19:29 Originally by: DiuxDium Originally by: Ala The Brutix is an awesome ship. I can't use T2 med hybrids but I am pretty sure that it outdamages my T2 Harbinger (tier 2 Amarrian BC). It's tank is also quite nice due to the armor rep amount bonus. I think you need to get your skills a little higher. Negative. A top end brutix + t2 drones. running 7x Neut and 3x MFS II, will top out at something like 700dps. I use this back in my priv days to camp stations. It has no tank, but boy ohh boy does it dish out pain. Harbinger I think tops out at what? like 770dps? I'm not sure, word is it's the highest DPS BC out there though. Sorry to slightly de-rail the thread but ... Myrm with 7 Ion II, 2 MFS II, and 5 Ogre IIs will do 910 DPS with void ammo and my skills (BC 5, DI 5, Gal drone spec 4, Heavy Blaster spec 4, surgical strike 4, 5% medium hybrid damage implant). It has very little tank and is vulnerable to heavy nos or losing its drones but it does put out high damage. Its also quite a tight fit. However, the Brutix is a very nice ship and I do still like flying it. [EDIT] With the same skills a Brutix with 7 Neutron IIs, void ammo, 3 MFS II and 5 Hammerhead IIs gives me 869 DPS [/EDIT] How do you fit 7 guns on a ship with 6 turret slots? Sorry, it was late, 6 guns with void and 5 ogre IIs gives me 873 DPS u cant get such a DPS from myrm without gimping tank also ...
Spaced Skunk D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.05.04 09:46:00 - [55] Originally by: Cybrex Originally by: BootStrap Originally by: DiuxDium Originally by: BootStrap Edited by: BootStrap on 02/05/2007 22:19:29 Originally by: DiuxDium Originally by: Ala The Brutix is an awesome ship. I can't use T2 med hybrids but I am pretty sure that it outdamages my T2 Harbinger (tier 2 Amarrian BC). It's tank is also quite nice due to the armor rep amount bonus. I think you need to get your skills a little higher. Negative. A top end brutix + t2 drones. running 7x Neut and 3x MFS II, will top out at something like 700dps. I use this back in my priv days to camp stations. It has no tank, but boy ohh boy does it dish out pain. Harbinger I think tops out at what? like 770dps? I'm not sure, word is it's the highest DPS BC out there though. Sorry to slightly de-rail the thread but ... Myrm with 7 Ion II, 2 MFS II, and 5 Ogre IIs will do 910 DPS with void ammo and my skills (BC 5, DI 5, Gal drone spec 4, Heavy Blaster spec 4, surgical strike 4, 5% medium hybrid damage implant). It has very little tank and is vulnerable to heavy nos or losing its drones but it does put out high damage. Its also quite a tight fit. However, the Brutix is a very nice ship and I do still like flying it. [EDIT] With the same skills a Brutix with 7 Neutron IIs, void ammo, 3 MFS II and 5 Hammerhead IIs gives me 869 DPS [/EDIT] How do you fit 7 guns on a ship with 6 turret slots? Sorry, it was late, 6 guns with void and 5 ogre IIs gives me 873 DPS u cant get such a DPS from myrm without gimping tank also ... Not really, 4 lows for tanking is more than enough compared to the damage output you'll have. On the note of the brutix, I would always go with at least ions, neutrons would be my favourite. Gank it, dont tank it I dub thee... Fan no.1. -Lordharold
kill0rbunny Alpha-Hirogen The Pentagram	Posted - 2007.05.04 10:28:00 - [56] Edited by: kill0rbunny on 04/05/2007 10:24:21 I prefer using a templar, an amarr fighter drone launched by carriers.
madaluap Gallente Mercenary Forces Exquisite Malevolence	Posted - 2007.05.04 12:10:00 - [57] Originally by: Mithrantir Ob'lontra Originally by: DiuxDium How do you fit 7 guns on a ship with 6 turret slots? I would like to introduce you to The Brutix. Brutix is a fine ship but has some inherent difficulties like Thorax. It needs a good load of sp to really show it's full capabilities. It's a blaster/rail boat with whatever pros and cons each case has on a tier1 Battlecruiser. Especially in the blaster setup it needs a cap injector to stay alive and a NOS or 2 to help things running. You have to understand that is typical of the philosophy CCP has for Galente ships, get in close and deal damage. The tank part and how to get close is something you have to think it out for yourself and how you like flying a ship. lrn to read plz. btw that smilly--> should be banned from the forums. _________________________________________________ Breetime A killmail!11!1 omgrawr: BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Jehovah Cooper Convergent Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.05.05 04:48:00 - [58] The Brutix doesn't suck, if anything it is overpowered. Look everyone is comparing it to the Myrmidon or Harbinger or sometimes Hurricane. Those are all tier2 BC and they cost a lot more than the Brutix. The Brutix simply mops the floor with Ferox, Cyclone or Prophecy. With an injector cap is not really any issue. I use the ship with rails a lot but only because in big gangs its a little slow getting to the targets before they are popped - with rails I'm often top damage dealers against BS even when we have close-range BS on the KM with me. But with low skills I think rails are too tough to fit - they are tough even with good skills. And blasters do a lot more dps ofc once you are on the target so they are better in many situations (solo, ratting, small gang etc.) I think others have said it but what I recommend is 7 electron blasters, 10mn mwd, web, scram and cap injector, lows MAR, DC, explosive hardner and 2mfs. 5x Valkery drones to mix-up your damage type (also they are fast and do well against frigs). One other tip spend a little money on named mods especially your guns. The named ones do a lot more damage! Yes of course T2 is better and thats what I do but I'm trying to stay on topic.
DiuxDium Free Mercenaries Union FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.05 06:45:00 - [59] Originally by: Mithrantir Ob'lontra Originally by: DiuxDium How do you fit 7 guns on a ship with 6 turret slots? I would like to introduce you to The Brutix. The person I quoted was talking about fitting a myrm... -------------

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