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GreatNick Caldari KNIGHTS OF RYCHE Novus Ordos Seclorum	Posted - 2007.05.03 07:03:00 - [1] How can you say you fought outnumbered when you killed all 17 of d2 and co capitals, but show on the killmails over 20 MC and co capitals kill the capitals. I heard there were at least 24 MC and co capitals there to take on the 17 D2 and co ones, so why did you post you were outnumbered?
GreatNick Caldari KNIGHTS OF RYCHE Novus Ordos Seclorum	Posted - 2007.05.03 07:23:00 - [2] No capitals on the d2 side cynoed out, their entire fleet was destroyed by a much larger MC capital fleet. It is a shame, I have many good friends in d2 and sparta who lost dreads.
GreatNick Caldari KNIGHTS OF RYCHE Novus Ordos Seclorum	Posted - 2007.05.03 07:40:00 - [3] Well #'s are simple. You guys killed 17 capitals, none cynoed out. If you check killmails, 24 different MC and company capitals shot and killed the 17 enemy capitals. So right off the bat, just via who was included on killmails you see the larger amount. I bolded the fact that MC had more capitals because it is true, and it is a shame MC posted they were fighting against a larger fleet when in fact it was not true.
GreatNick Caldari KNIGHTS OF RYCHE Novus Ordos Seclorum	Posted - 2007.05.03 07:51:00 - [4] To say you were jumped by a larger capital group, when your had half of your capitals which outnumber the enemy group are ready to warp to POS is not an accurate assetment. You baited the D2 capitals in, and brought your remaining fleet in for the kill. Good strategy, but at no point should you guys act like having 7 more capitals is not a distinct advantage, especially since a Titan cannot even hurt a capital.
GreatNick Caldari KNIGHTS OF RYCHE Novus Ordos Seclorum	Posted - 2007.05.03 07:58:00 - [5] Ok, direct from D2, they said their entire capital fleet got wiped out. IE NO ONE CYNOED OUT. I know all of Spartas were killed as well. There is a small chance an IRON capital cynoed out if they were there, but essentially the entire fleet of capitals died.
GreatNick Caldari KNIGHTS OF RYCHE Novus Ordos Seclorum	Posted - 2007.05.03 08:03:00 - [6] I would personally like to see the fraps, I know everyone I talked to felt it was a GF on both sides and don't regret it.
GreatNick Caldari KNIGHTS OF RYCHE Novus Ordos Seclorum	Posted - 2007.05.03 08:34:00 - [7] Originally by: Hast are you an alt of someone in D2? because from the sound of you, its sounds like you lost 17 capitals now stop whining and arguing semantics Why not post with your DICE main? If you check my corp history, I was in a northern resident alliance so I have maintained contacts there after I left due to timezone issues. And I am sorry if I saw a lie, and saw the need to correct it.
GreatNick Caldari KNIGHTS OF RYCHE Novus Ordos Seclorum	Posted - 2007.05.03 12:42:00 - [8] Once again Selene you missed the point. You did not fight undernumbered, you had more capitals attacking than D2 and company. And local did not spike till the battle was nearly over the D2's support gang arrived 10 minutes late. I really could care less about D2 at this point, that is why I left the north, but at least get your numbers right in regards to the amount of capitals you used.
GreatNick Caldari KNIGHTS OF RYCHE Novus Ordos Seclorum	Posted - 2007.05.03 13:09:00 - [9] Edited by: GreatNick on 03/05/2007 13:05:22 Originally by: Phoenix Pryde lol at all you guys argueing about who had more numbers, next to the fact that it doesnt really matters all you d have to do is take a look at for example D2's killboard. But to save you all that work i put my my nber maths skills to work and added them up D2/IRON/RZR/Sparta: 1 Titan, 12 DNs, 5 CAs (and some small stuff) AXE/MC/Y: 2 MS, 15 DNs, 9 CAs The total involved numbers say 32:33 which looks pretty even :P I guess some ppl might be missing due to truncated mails, etc ... but it cant be that far off Glad you took the time to show the numbers, 17 capitals all of which were lost by D2 and the 26 capitals of MC and company.
GreatNick Caldari KNIGHTS OF RYCHE Novus Ordos Seclorum	Posted - 2007.05.03 13:54:00 - [10] Originally by: Hans Roaming Originally by: GreatNick Glad you took the time to show the numbers, 17 capitals all of which were lost by D2/Sparta and the 26 capitals of MC and company. Glad Flinx Evenstar cleared up this whole issue for you. The numbers posted are still accurate, Flix showed at least some validity to the lag post I made.
GreatNick Caldari KNIGHTS OF RYCHE Novus Ordos Seclorum	Posted - 2007.05.03 15:02:00 - [11] Edited by: GreatNick on 03/05/2007 14:58:35 Originally by: Crovan Edited by: Crovan on 03/05/2007 14:42:52 Nice writeup, Darth. Someone ninja'd a dread in on you guys btw, because we have 13 mails unless my counting is off. Respect for an honest assessment, a good fight, and for using "candyass" in a sentence (though it may be meant to be hyphenated ). Yet again the fun stuff goes down while I am not there. Originally by: GreatNick Originally by: Hans Roaming Originally by: GreatNick Glad you took the time to show the numbers, 17 capitals all of which were lost by D2/Sparta and the 26 capitals of MC and company. Glad Flinx Evenstar cleared up this whole issue for you. The numbers posted are still accurate, Flix showed at least some validity to the lag post I made. Dude, your numbers have been shot to hell and back. Perhaps the issue is simply clarity. A few from our side have admitted that it is entirely possible that we out-numbered at the end due to our backup arriving, but I sincerely doubt that the north is dumb enough to jump into an outnumbered capital fight with the people who had a large hand in pioneering capital fighting. They thought they had the trap, but it was the other way around. Your credibility is blown by two main factors. 1) Providence is a LONG way from Fade. 2) Your "sources" say no coalition ships jumped out, yet at least two RZR carriers jumped out, one by his own admission, according to his orders. Perhaps there is a communication error on your end? I have great respect for NOS from back in my ISS days. Please stop using their good name to spout your fanboy propaganda. If you want to fight, I believe FLA put out an open call for support. They seem like decent people, look them up, but fight it in the game, not on the forum. IF you actually read, I said D2 and Sparta did not get ships cynoed out, and I said I was unclear about the other people there. And why don't you check the dreads MC lost to see if there was anyone attacking them who were not also later killed. Once you have done so, feel free to name the dozen guys who cynoed out. I would really like you to pull some real facts, you can flame me all you want, but the kills won't lie.
GreatNick Caldari KNIGHTS OF RYCHE Novus Ordos Seclorum	Posted - 2007.05.03 15:38:00 - [12] Edited by: GreatNick on 03/05/2007 15:34:33 Ok, just for an example on one kill of a MC dread, there were a total of 17 ships on it, and the POS. Of those 17 ships, 8 of them were from d2, and all 8 of those capitals were killed. Six of the capitals were from Sparta, and by checking sparta killboard, all of them were destroyed. Three of the ships were from Razor, from their killboard they are showing no losses posted and I have said I had no info on anyone but D2 and Sparta. There were also 2 IRON capitals, 1 of which was posted as destroyed. This was for the kill of Flying Scotsman's Phoenix, which was the first MC capital killed, and was before the DD went off. The killmail for Goosemen has the same 17 players, plus an additional FLA member who also lost his dread according to the FLA killboard. The killmail for Menf shows no additional capitals from D2 and company. The last kill is from Skinny Boy which shows no additional capitals, but does show when the support came in near the end of the battle. There you go, so there was a total of 18 capitals for the coalition, 4 of which have not been confirmed killed, all D2 and Sparta capitals destroyed as I said. If MC killboard was up, I would love to see the dread kills to confirm who was killed.
GreatNick Caldari KNIGHTS OF RYCHE Novus Ordos Seclorum	Posted - 2007.05.03 15:52:00 - [13] Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr For Greatnick's information, here's stats from the MC killboard: Coalition Died: Bobby Atlas - MOROS (FLA) Onat Five - MOROS (D2) Warwick Radcliff - MOROS (Sparta) viper zulu - MOROS (D2) Angeltear - NAGLFAR (Sparta) prathe - NAGLFAR (D2) Auronof - PHOENIX (D2) ChefAce - PHOENIX (Sparta) Swiveler - PHOENIX (Sparta) WHOSYADADDY - PHOENIX (D2) Darth Sith - REVELATION (Sparta) Joe Blow - REVELATION (D2) Lady LeJean - REVELATION (Sparta) Ikta Shoridon - ARCHON (D2) Erfurt - CHIMERA (IRON) Got Away: Munch - ARCHON (IRON) Intensity Green - THANATOS (RZR) SigmaPod - THANATOS (RZR) Talidorn - THANATOS (RZR) So it looks like the two carriers that Robet and me had our scrams on died. Next time one of our members loses a carrier and gets rediculed on the D2 killboard for fitting a warp disruptor, remember the two carriers that died today. :) And yes, we had more people in there eventually, because we knew what was going to happen and thus played you guys for the second time of the day. We had 2 motherships online but they weren't in system... That's easy intel? We had caps in reserve in our capital base. As soon as that arazu lit your cyno, we cyno'd in the motherships and additional caps. It's called strategy. Your side thought they were going to gank an inferior force, you took the bait and got played. Good fight though. :) Not my side, but I do appreciate the info. I am indifferent towards the results, but I do like facts being accurate. Was a very smart move by MC as I said earlier, and there is nothing to detract in game from the great job MC did.

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