Gank multiboxing is best solved by other means than any artificial restrictions.
Namely... give industrial vessels of all kinds real fittings and slot allowances, then increase (Yes, I do mean increase) the concord timer significantly.
(Concord should also just remote detonate your ship rather than spawn in and shoot it as the spawning in can cause significant lag en mass, which is why AoE en mass is very very bad in high sec).

The increase in timer means they can't just hit follow/f1/f2/f3 and wait till concord is done then fleet warp the pods because there is a lot longer to fight in and the targets can fight back. Yes it makes it easier to gank someone not paying attention but well, tough luck. And yes it lowers the numbers needed for a gank, but it also gives a lot more of a chance for defenders to act. And that interaction is the important thing.

Sure they still 'can' bring 20 ships and just blow you up instantly, but then it's massive overkill and far less efficient than if they do it with 2 or 4. And you get to feel smug that they were that scared of you they felt the need to overkill

You can already actually fight back. It's called doing the same thing as they do. i.e. getting friends or alts.

I suggest that you're quite mistaken about the scale of organization attackers have to do compared to defenders. If gank defenders could organize on the same scale that gankers do (And that's not a matter of game tools, it's a matter of social cooperation) Then we would agree that there would be a lot less industrials/freighters exploding.

They already nerf multi-boxer enough to where it is pretty difficult to gank with 5+ alts.

It works both ways.

Haulers often use multibox ALTS to scout their route or web a freighter into warp. Jump freighters require cynos and this will usually be a multibox ALT.

Other haulers play the probabilities - launching several freighters on autopilot before going to work or sleep. A bulkhead fit freighter with less than 1 billion in cargo is not a profitable gank and there are no tears to harvest so these ships have a very high probability of arriving safely at destination. You will experience an occasional loss but so what - as long as most get through and the business is profitable.

I think multiboxing for this or mining ops is not a problem.

However I do have a problem when a self-proclaimed pvper "only" needs 2+ to shoot at one boat.

You can read all those almost sad sob stories about the poor sov alliances with only 845729566415614835 members that never have content and stuff.

When I go out there and a "resonse" to 4x frigate is 3x sooper dooper, 6 carrier, 5 dreads, 8 hictors... accumulating to 190 accounts in the system you ventured to, you have to think why they don't want you there.

The "statement" is clear, "never do this again", so I don't.

So just be quiet you "poor" souls and rethink your ways.

...It's like people don't understand that unless player have massive grudge against you, they won't be your content if you keep curb-stomping them...

You know that you could ruin the ganker's day by using an alt to shoot a ship to trip concord so the response time was effectively 0 seconds?

Or, you know, just use an alt in a duel to web the ship so it enters warp almost instantly, with no sec status hit, lost ship, ect...

I'd remove the "Gank" in the thread title because what you're describing is not exclusive to ganking but applies to all forms of multiboxing where most or all chars do the same activity. The actual problem is that many activities require very little interactivity which makes multiboxing them possible in the first place or even bearable/interresting for many people (think mining e.g.).

So, fixing them would require them to be more interactive which in turn would cost CCP a lot of subs. It would at least be risky for CCP to do that and tbh, I think it's way too late for that.

what I see is exploiting a feature of this game beyond what I think CCP had originally intended.

So far, no one has really come up with reasons on why ganking with an excessive number of mutlboxed should be left unaddressed when I can give several on why it should be addressed.

You see incorrectly. Both suicide ganking and the use of alts have been in the game since the beginning. The only "issue" here is that stupid and/or lazy players are not immune to ganking. IOW, everything working as it should.



That's because your whole idea is a solution in need of a problem. You haven't provided a convincing argument that a problem exists in the first place. You haven't even defined what "excessive" means, or why we should consider that number "excessive" instead of "normal". And the only benefit you've managed to come up with in defense of your idea is that stupid people will get ganked less often, which most of us consider a bad thing.

So far, no one has really come up with reasons on why ganking with an excessive number of mutlboxed should be left unaddressed when I can give several on why it should be addressed.

Actually you haven't provided a single reason, other than your hunch, that they may not have intended this.

I don't think you realize to what extend CCP intended multiboxing. There are mining fleets with 100 chars out there, all controlled by a single guy, full incursion fleets, also controlled by a single guy. The few ganking multiboxers with their 10-15 chars are actually small fry. CCP regularly sells their "power of 2" packages to encourage multiboxing. You are even allowed to use buddy links to sub additional accounts and reap the benefits. There are even game mechanics that require you to multibox if you want to get anything done or want adhere to one of the core principles of this game: trust noone. So it's a bit far-fetched to claim that they didn't intend this.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to defend multiboxing wrt. ganking or otherwise. I'm just telling you how it is. On the contrary, I think that multiboxing makes meaningful balancing of many aspects of this game impossible, as any imposed consequences for an action can be made irrelevant by adding more alts to the mix. That's why we'll never see any meaningful consequences or balance in ganking (or wardeccing e.g.) and any discussion about it is actually a collossal waste of time, as alts/multiboxing blow any consequences out of the water.

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But in hi sec its a problem especially when used in systems that are bottlenecks and the result is when trade gets restricted.

but that single player who runs 8, 10 or 15 catalysts and basically shuts down the whole system for hours on end and for days.

Go to Uedema and spend a few hours there for a couple of days to find out for yourself.

I think it all goes back to the original problem with EVE and that is the gate system.

However the solution is as I posted above, not a change to multiboxing rules or possibilities, but extending the gank timer which means simply pressing 2 buttons and waiting 15 seconds is not all that is involved in a gank, but actually several minutes of fight.
I.E. More interaction, more decisions, better game play (normally)

Anyone running multi boxing on that level is almost certainly using input broadcasting which is now banned.