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Bjorn Tyrson EVE University Ivy League 374	Posted - 2017.03.26 06:03:03 - [1] - Quote so I keep hearing all of these complaints about how other people are "ruining the game" about how freighter ganking is an every day occurance. and if you will believe the reports, you can't even get a freighter out of jita without being ganked. tales of woe about how poor miners are being harassed in belts, and can barely even get a full hold without being blown up. how the second you jump into low or null, you get insta-ganked by a camp that is there 24/7 so i'm wondering.. are we all actually playing the same game??? I mean I bring freighters in and out of major trade hubs, often carrying multi-billions of isk worth every month. I have semi-afk mining fleets that i'm only half paying attention too in belts most of the time through the day. I manage to explore wormholes, and hell actively hunt wormholes for days at a time and never see a soul. and I regularly make excursions into low and null, sometimes even flying battleships, and the majority of them come back just fine. so WTF game are you all playing that is so consistantly lethal, where the second you undock you get ganked... and where can I sign up for it? for reference, the largest loss i've had in the past 4 years was 800m in one day, and that was due to back to back machariel losses... to npcs.... was doing an epic arc yes. but that means that from my experiences, pve is roughly 100 times more lethal than any pvp in the game.
Soel Reit Dambusters 617 Sq 681	Posted - 2017.03.26 06:08:19 - [2] - Quote PLS get GUD and use autopilot on your freighter so that ELITE PVPERS can gank it. you're already subbed into the right game, just need to get gud at it
Bjorn Tyrson EVE University Ivy League 375	Posted - 2017.03.26 06:12:15 - [3] - Quote Soel Reit wrote: PLS get GUD and use autopilot on your freighter so that ELITE PVPERS can gank it. you're already subbed into the right game, just need to get gud at it I've tried that though, in fact i've autopiloted a battleship, with active killright, from dodixie, to rens, to jita, and then to amarr and nothing.... I mean wtf game are you all playing that is so damn lethal when I can make aroute like that on autopilot and not have anything happen?
Zhilia Mann Tide Way Out Productions 2964	Posted - 2017.03.26 06:32:32 - [4] - Quote It's the eye patch. Everyone is just scared of you. (Honestly, I've never had a problem either. I think I caught a single Machariel bump once but the freighter was nearly empty and no gank came of it. That's the worst I've seen.)
Keno Skir 1413	Posted - 2017.03.26 06:36:25 - [5] - Quote Bjorn Tyrson wrote: so I keep hearing all of these complaints about how other people are "ruining the game" about how freighter ganking is an every day occurance. and if you will believe the reports, you can't even get a freighter out of jita without being ganked. tales of woe about how poor miners are being harassed in belts, and can barely even get a full hold without being blown up. how the second you jump into low or null, you get insta-ganked by a camp that is there 24/7 so i'm wondering.. are we all actually playing the same game??? I mean I bring freighters in and out of major trade hubs, often carrying multi-billions of isk worth every month. I have semi-afk mining fleets that i'm only half paying attention too in belts most of the time through the day. I manage to explore wormholes, and hell actively hunt wormholes for days at a time and never see a soul. and I regularly make excursions into low and null, sometimes even flying battleships, and the majority of them come back just fine. so WTF game are you all playing that is so consistantly lethal, where the second you undock you get ganked... and where can I sign up for it? for reference, the largest loss i've had in the past 4 years was 800m in one day, and that was due to back to back machariel losses... to npcs.... was doing an epic arc yes. but that means that from my experiences, pve is roughly 100 times more lethal than any pvp in the game. A few get so angry about their own incompetence that they yell very loudly and make it seem like a bigger issue than it all is. The vast majority of players are just enjoying the same game you and I are, while a few take to the forums instead of adjusting their in game strategy I like this thread <Gùï> 250,000 Bonus SP when you start an Alpha Clone HERE <Gùï> <Gùï> Contact me regarding my trusted Alliance Creation Service <Gùï>
Scipio Artelius The Vendunari End of Life 47339	Posted - 2017.03.26 06:37:43 - [6] - Quote When I read the forum, everything is broken, needs changing and is exploited by a community of sociopaths who only care for themselves. When I play th game, everything works, is fun and is made even better by playing with a community of people I wouldn't know from Arthur or Martha in real life, but who I always find are just regular ordinary people enjoying their hobby. I much prefer the experience in game.
Chainsaw Plankton FaDoyToy 2705	Posted - 2017.03.26 06:50:40 - [7] - Quote you can be a target and whine when you get hit, or you can be a boss and not give a **** and make that money. personally I've been spending the last 10 years making dank isk, gotta risk it to win it. fly smart and it usually works and all that selling officer BCUs! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6872141 @ChainsawPlankto on twitter
March rabbit Mosquito Squadron The-Culture 2110	Posted - 2017.03.26 06:58:18 - [8] - Quote Well in RL news you see lots of things you don't see around. Murders, viruses, wars, very rich and very poor people, etc... EvE is similar to RL: lots of players and lots of different situations. If you haven't something happen to you it proves nothing. PS: but why do i post serious answer in troll thread? The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
Bjorn Tyrson EVE University Ivy League 377	Posted - 2017.03.26 06:58:57 - [9] - Quote last time I remember feeling like a "victim" was hulkageddon '08 since I was a hulk miner in ossogur at the time. lost 2 hulks in the same week, damn near drove me to iskruptcy and out of the game. hulkageddon '09 I mined like a madman in the 2 months leading up to hulkageddon and held on to it. and invested every isk I had in more hulks, and minerals... was broke AF for 2 weeks. but came out of it with my first billion. (which back then with plex being under 800 mil was quite a bit). so where has the risk gone? sure code wasn't a thing yet, but they really don't seem to do all that much. at least not on the same scale as hulkageddon was. so the question remains, did I accidently download the wrong game?
Yang Aurilen The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc 1400	Posted - 2017.03.26 07:07:05 - [10] - Quote Bjorn Tyrson wrote: last time I remember feeling like a "victim" was hulkageddon '08 since I was a hulk miner in ossogur at the time. lost 2 hulks in the same week, damn near drove me to iskruptcy and out of the game. hulkageddon '09 I mined like a madman in the 2 months leading up to hulkageddon and held on to it. and invested every isk I had in more hulks, and minerals... was broke AF for 2 weeks. but came out of it with my first billion. (which back then with plex being under 800 mil was quite a bit). so where has the risk gone? sure code wasn't a thing yet, but they really don't seem to do all that much. at least not on the same scale as hulkageddon was. so the question remains, did I accidently download the wrong game? It's just carebears saying carebear things. Like stuff like how that one guy yellow boxing his afk autopiloting badger is a literally hitler action and that all of his family deserve to be put to a concentration camp for even daring to interact with him at all. Post with your NPC alt main and not your main main alt!

Keno Skir 1414	Posted - 2017.03.26 09:11:39 - [11] - Quote March rabbit wrote: Well in RL news you see lots of things you don't see around. Murders, viruses, wars, very rich and very poor people, etc... EvE is similar to RL: lots of players and lots of different situations. If you haven't something happen to you it proves nothing. PS: but why do i post serious answer in troll thread? I think a better analogy would be the Media in real life painting a completely warped and sensationalized version of the truth, making certain things, people and ideas seem much more legitimate than they really are for an ulterior purpose. <Gùï> 250,000 Bonus SP when you start an Alpha Clone HERE <Gùï> <Gùï> Contact me regarding my trusted Alliance Creation Service <Gùï>
sero Hita Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 334	Posted - 2017.03.26 09:25:46 - [12] - Quote Bjorn Tyrson wrote: Soel Reit wrote: PLS get GUD and use autopilot on your freighter so that ELITE PVPERS can gank it. you're already subbed into the right game, just need to get gud at it I've tried that though, in fact i've autopiloted a battleship, with active killright, from dodixie, to rens, to jita, and then to amarr and nothing.... I mean wtf game are you all playing that is so damn lethal when I can make aroute like that on autopilot and not have anything happen? Timezones and areas matter.... some are more dangerous than others. But yeah generally agree, when I started I was mining in the same system that Loyalanon was staging her ganking alts out of, and was never ganked once. I travel often to jita, and was only popped once in a BR in 4 years. Gatecamps in low are real, but unless on a highsec-lowsec gate they are often without instalocking capabilities, so pretty meh... If you are cautious Eve can be pretty uneventfull "I'm all for pvp, don't get me wrong. I've ganked in Empire, blobed in low sec. Got T-shirts from every which-where.. But to be forced into a pvp confrontation that I didn't want is wrong ccp." RealFlisker
DeMichael Crimson Republic University Minmatar Republic 60441	Posted - 2017.03.26 10:39:36 - [13] - Quote Wow, I don't know what game you guys are playing. You're making it sound like this game is 'Hello Kitty'. In the past +8 years that I've been playing this game I've had well over a dozen 'failed' Suicide Gank attempts done on me. I've also had at least a dozen Mission Invasions done by Ninja Salvagers / PvP Coercers stealing loot. In fact, someone even paid a Merc Corp for an Assassination Contract on me. Took them 2 weeks and 6 Battleships -w- Combat Drones to finally catch me at an exploration site while I was engaged with NPC's. Yes my ship and pod was destroyed. Hell, all of those events happened in High Sec space. I'm actually starting to think you guys are just Kumbaya alts of Warmonger Characters who do things like what I listed above. Now I've lost a few ships to NPC's over the years but that Assassination was the only PvP loss I've had in this game. My loss record could have been much worse but thankfully one of the first things I learned in this game was the 5 P's : Proper Planning Prevents Poor Performance So due to my own experience and events told by other players that I know in-game, I have no doubt that when players post those so called 'Rage' threads, the events described within them are indeed true. Anyway, sorry for being so blunt and going off on a semi rant. In my opinion anyone who says there is no problem is actually part of the problem. DMC 'The Plan' \| California Eve Players \| Proposal - The Endless Battle
Neuntausend GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1730	Posted - 2017.03.26 10:53:02 - [14] - Quote I rarely have any trouble with gankers either. I suppose it really depends on where you are and how much you actually play. The longer you stay logged in and the more accounts you use the higher the chance is that something like that happens. That being said - it's not as common as reading the forums might imply. People will not usually report that nothing bad has happened to them for a week - why would they? But they will come here once the gank finally has happened. Players may be mining with their army of antitanked barges for a year or two without anything happening to them. But once they do get ganked, they will come here and complain about it. And I think, the longer it takes until they first get ganked, the more it will hurt them and the juicier the rage post will be.
ApexDynamo Hazardous Wormhole Rebels 22	Posted - 2017.03.26 11:29:45 - [15] - Quote i find the issues come mostly from jita 4-4 how random usually (russians) spam mtu's or mobile depots outside and spell words with them to lag up the system even more then it is now. Miners being harrased simple solution find a system that doesnt have a stn
Rroff Antagonistic Tendencies 1061	Posted - 2017.03.26 12:04:54 - [16] - Quote I don't think the problems are endemic but I don't think they don't exist either - for instance I've personally mined for hours at times without a single issue but I've also seen 1-2 people I know IRL who have tried to get into the game repeatedly ganked while trying to mine - largely because it was happening before they knew enough to deal with it and/or make themselves less of a target. I've hauled tons of high value stuff through highsec and so far never been the victim of a gank but at the same time I've also ganked atleast half a dozen freighters myself so...
Tipa Riot Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 3557	Posted - 2017.03.26 19:57:05 - [17] - Quote To get ganked at the Jita 4-4 undock is not that hard. Put a double-wrap package of one Tritanium into a shuttle and undock, drift out. When I pulled that off I got killed 15s after undock by a Svipul, netting me 20m in killright money. Getting ganked as a miner posed to be harder. I used to mine in an anti-tanked Retriever in a 0.7 system for weeks, but got ganked only after I moved to a 0.6 system. Else, if you have some knowledge about the mechanics, EvE can be 99% safe, but of course this is not always fun. I second what was said above, things like that happen and players not prepared post about it, the other 99% are just silent and play the game. Like with any other social media. I'm my own NPC alt.
000Hunter000 Missiles 'R' Us 160	Posted - 2017.03.26 20:00:25 - [18] - Quote It's like CODE. They came into the game, they apparently ganked a bunch of people in miningships and now there gone. In all this time i have NEVER EVER met a single CODE member.
Mara Pahrdi The Order of Anoyia 1506	Posted - 2017.03.26 20:25:25 - [19] - Quote Tipa Riot wrote: To get ganked at the Jita 4-4 undock is not that hard. Put a double-wrap package of one Tritanium into a shuttle and undock, drift out. When I pulled that off I got killed 15s after undock by a Svipul, netting me 20m in killright money. Getting ganked as a miner posed to be harder. I used to mine in an anti-tanked Retriever in a 0.7 system for weeks, but got ganked only after I moved to a 0.6 system. Else, if you have some knowledge about the mechanics, EvE can be 99% safe, but of course this is not always fun. I second what was said above, things like that happen and players not prepared post about it, the other 99% are just silent and play the game. Like with any other social media. I never ever really see Jita undock. The moment grid loads, I warp to my insta undock bookmark and that's it. As far as mining goes, the only gank attempts I got were close to Goinard and back in a time, when SC was actively hunting miners in the region. I did mine for about two years on the Caldari side of Uedama and never saw Code on grid. @DMC: I've never seen a soul in my missions in Amarr or Gallente space. This was quite different though in Minmatar space. Mission invasion was a pretty regular event there. Remove standings and insurance.
Jax Bederen Dark Horse RM 320	Posted - 2017.03.26 20:30:36 - [20] - Quote Yea right, those kill stats in the last hour on trade routes are just made up by CCP, it's all propaganda against the El douches o Eve. Having said that, I have not had problems, thats not to say I dont hear things blow up around me almost every time I leave Jita. Helps not to be a hauler or a miner though, you guys are just masochists.

Mara Pahrdi The Order of Anoyia 1506	Posted - 2017.03.26 20:40:29 - [21] - Quote Tbh., I've seen way more action on the Ashab / Amarr and Ashab / Madirmilire gates than in Jita or Uedama. Remove standings and insurance.
Chris Ishar Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 3	Posted - 2017.03.26 20:59:49 - [22] - Quote Bjorn Tyrson wrote: so I keep hearing all of these complaints. So i'm wondering.. are we all actually playing the same game??? Yes, Who are you carrying all those ore stacks for anyway? CCP? Is that it? CCP? Why I'll tell you... let me give you... a little inside information about CCP. CCP likes to be paid. He's a prankster.Think about it. CCP gives capsuleers... a drive. He gives you this extraordinary gift, and then what does He do? I swear, for ccp's own amusement... their own private, cosmic...gag reel... He sets the rules in opposition. It's the goof of all time. Mine ore, get ISK. Buy skillbook, but don't inject. Inject, but don't learn yet. Learn, but don't rush. And while you're warping from one jumppgate to the next, what is CCP doing? CCP's laughing his sick, ******* ass off! CCP's a tightass! CCP's a sadist! CCP's an absentee landlord! Subscribe to that? Never! "Better to accumulate ISK to get PLEX than buy a subscription, is that it?" Why not? I'm here in the spacestation with my nose in it since the whole thing began! I've nurtured every skill capsuleer has been inspired to have! I cared about what ccp wanted and I never judged them! Why? Because I never rejected him, in spite of all his imperfections! I'm a fan of ccp! GÇªI'm a capsuleer. Maybe the last capsuleer. Who, in their right mind... ..., could possibly deny... ...that the enjoyment was entirely mine? All of it, Bjorn! All of it. Mine. I'm peaking, Bjorn. It's my time now. It's our time.
Bjorn Tyrson EVE University Ivy League 382	Posted - 2017.03.26 21:14:40 - [23] - Quote Chris Ishar wrote: Bjorn Tyrson wrote: so I keep hearing all of these complaints. So i'm wondering.. are we all actually playing the same game??? Yes, Who are you carrying all those ore stacks for anyway? CCP? Is that it? CCP? Why I'll tell you... let me give you... a little inside information about CCP. CCP likes to be paid. He's a prankster.Think about it. CCP gives capsuleers... a drive. He gives you this extraordinary gift, and then what does He do? I swear, for ccp's own amusement... their own private, cosmic...gag reel... He sets the rules in opposition. It's the goof of all time. Mine ore, get ISK. Buy skillbook, but don't inject. Inject, but don't learn yet. Learn, but don't rush. And while you're warping from one jumppgate to the next, what is CCP doing? CCP's laughing his sick, ******* ass off! CCP's a tightass! CCP's a sadist! CCP's an absentee landlord! Subscribe to that? Never! "Better to accumulate ISK to get PLEX than buy a subscription, is that it?" Why not? I'm here in the spacestation with my nose in it since the whole thing began! I've nurtured every skill capsuleer has been inspired to have! I cared about what ccp wanted and I never judged them! Why? Because I never rejected him, in spite of all his imperfections! I'm a fan of ccp! GÇªI'm a capsuleer. Maybe the last capsuleer. Who, in their right mind... ..., could possibly deny... ...that the enjoyment was entirely mine? All of it, Bjorn! All of it. Mine. I'm peaking, Bjorn. It's my time now. It's our time. This right here is pure poetry, Shakespeare himself would be amazed.
Ranzabar Golden Ratio One Six One 170	Posted - 2017.03.26 21:44:08 - [24] - Quote Bjorn Tyrson wrote: so I keep hearing all of these complaints about how other people are "ruining the game" about how freighter ganking is an every day occurance. and if you will believe the reports, you can't even get a freighter out of jita without being ganked. tales of woe about how poor miners are being harassed in belts, and can barely even get a full hold without being blown up. how the second you jump into low or null, you get insta-ganked by a camp that is there 24/7 so i'm wondering.. are we all actually playing the same game??? I mean I bring freighters in and out of major trade hubs, often carrying multi-billions of isk worth every month. I have semi-afk mining fleets that i'm only half paying attention too in belts most of the time through the day. I manage to explore wormholes, and hell actively hunt wormholes for days at a time and never see a soul. and I regularly make excursions into low and null, sometimes even flying battleships, and the majority of them come back just fine. so WTF game are you all playing that is so consistantly lethal, where the second you undock you get ganked... and where can I sign up for it? for reference, the largest loss i've had in the past 4 years was 800m in one day, and that was due to back to back machariel losses... to npcs.... was doing an epic arc yes. but that means that from my experiences, pve is roughly 100 times more lethal than any pvp in the game. I'm in and out of Dodixie daily in my lowly freighter. No one notices me. Great. I just outed myself. Abide
ITTigerClawIK Galactic Rangers EVEolution. 483	Posted - 2017.03.26 22:30:10 - [25] - Quote seriously guys there are SOOO many other trade hubs other than jita around EVE just go to one of those or would that be to simple a solution?
DeMichael Crimson Republic University Minmatar Republic 60479	Posted - 2017.03.26 22:42:28 - [26] - Quote Mara Pahrdi wrote: @DMC: I've never seen a soul in my missions in Amarr or Gallente space. This was quite different though in Minmatar space. Mission invasion was a pretty regular event there. Yeah, while most of the Mission Invasions and Suicide Gank attempts I experienced was in Minmatar space which is where I spent most of my time, it also happened in the other 3 main Empires as well. DMC 'The Plan' \| California Eve Players \| Proposal - The Endless Battle
Avaelica Kuershin Paper Cats 327	Posted - 2017.03.26 23:22:44 - [27] - Quote Jax Bederen wrote: Yea right, those kill stats in the last hour on trade routes are just made up by CCP, it's all propaganda against the El douches o Eve. Having said that, I have not had problems, thats not to say I dont hear things blow up around me almost every time I leave Jita. Helps not to be a hauler or a miner though, you guys are just masochists. Oh sure they exist, but they seem to exist for other people, which it seems to me, was the point of the OP I see the usual suspects in local, their wrecks on gates, the killmails in minerbumping, but it seems I'm not a suitable target.
Teckos Pech Amok. Goonswarm Federation 6276	Posted - 2017.03.26 23:44:13 - [28] - Quote Bjorn Tyrson wrote: so I keep hearing all of these complaints about how other people are "ruining the game" about how freighter ganking is an every day occurance. and if you will believe the reports, you can't even get a freighter out of jita without being ganked. tales of woe about how poor miners are being harassed in belts, and can barely even get a full hold without being blown up. how the second you jump into low or null, you get insta-ganked by a camp that is there 24/7 so i'm wondering.. are we all actually playing the same game??? I mean I bring freighters in and out of major trade hubs, often carrying multi-billions of isk worth every month. I have semi-afk mining fleets that i'm only half paying attention too in belts most of the time through the day. I manage to explore wormholes, and hell actively hunt wormholes for days at a time and never see a soul. and I regularly make excursions into low and null, sometimes even flying battleships, and the majority of them come back just fine. so WTF game are you all playing that is so consistantly lethal, where the second you undock you get ganked... and where can I sign up for it? for reference, the largest loss i've had in the past 4 years was 800m in one day, and that was due to back to back machariel losses... to npcs.... was doing an epic arc yes. but that means that from my experiences, pve is roughly 100 times more lethal than any pvp in the game. Long story short it is lies. When you want to make a case for something you make it sound far, far worse than it is. So when people talk about freighter ganking they'll find the worst example and then deliberately make it out that, that is the norm. They also completely ignore that to get in that situation the player had to make a sequence of screw ups. When I see posts on the forums about this is broken, that is an exploit, and this other thing is driving out new players the vast majority of it is people pushing their personal agenda. They mine in game, so naturally CODE. are bad and should face additional constraints or be eliminated entirely from the game. They move way too much stuff in their obelisk without a scout, and after anti-tanking their ship...so naturally suicide ganking is too easy and not risky enough. These people don't give a fig about the game or what is good for it. In truth, if their suggestions were acted on they'd likely ruin the game. "The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek 8 Golden Rules for EVE Online
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 8263	Posted - 2017.03.27 03:46:10 - [29] - Quote Teckos Pech wrote: Bjorn Tyrson wrote: so I keep hearing all of these complaints about how other people are "ruining the game" about how freighter ganking is an every day occurance. and if you will believe the reports, you can't even get a freighter out of jita without being ganked. tales of woe about how poor miners are being harassed in belts, and can barely even get a full hold without being blown up. how the second you jump into low or null, you get insta-ganked by a camp that is there 24/7 so i'm wondering.. are we all actually playing the same game??? I mean I bring freighters in and out of major trade hubs, often carrying multi-billions of isk worth every month. I have semi-afk mining fleets that i'm only half paying attention too in belts most of the time through the day. I manage to explore wormholes, and hell actively hunt wormholes for days at a time and never see a soul. and I regularly make excursions into low and null, sometimes even flying battleships, and the majority of them come back just fine. so WTF game are you all playing that is so consistantly lethal, where the second you undock you get ganked... and where can I sign up for it? for reference, the largest loss i've had in the past 4 years was 800m in one day, and that was due to back to back machariel losses... to npcs.... was doing an epic arc yes. but that means that from my experiences, pve is roughly 100 times more lethal than any pvp in the game. Long story short it is lies. When you want to make a case for something you make it sound far, far worse than it is. So when people talk about freighter ganking they'll find the worst example and then deliberately make it out that, that is the norm. They also completely ignore that to get in that situation the player had to make a sequence of screw ups. When I see posts on the forums about this is broken, that is an exploit, and this other thing is driving out new players the vast majority of it is people pushing their personal agenda. They mine in game, so naturally CODE. are bad and should face additional constraints or be eliminated entirely from the game. They move way too much stuff in their obelisk without a scout, and after anti-tanking their ship...so naturally suicide ganking is too easy and not risky enough. These people don't give a fig about the game or what is good for it. In truth, if their suggestions were acted on they'd likely ruin the game. When you make a post about people posting, never forget to put in "projection". Especially you. Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Sivar Ahishatsu Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 5	Posted - 2017.03.27 04:12:34 - [30] - Quote High Sec PKing happens mostly in Ice belts. But I would agree with most a little caution helps much to reduce the chance of being killed in High Sec. Low sec is another story, most is claimed by old players (mainly pirates) now days. Forget about having any sort of fun there as a new player. Most of the Pirates there have very high skills and hardware and game knowledge one would need at least 1-2 years of game time to offer any serious competition. So if you had some success in low sec it was luck really. The problem with the game is not so much High Sec PKing, as much as High Sec Boredom, and no other alrternative. I think people who quit do so because they get Bored playing in High sec and not able to compete in Low sec and lower. It is why I think expanding High Sec to open up more content to people would go along way towards better player retention and give those players time to evolve and establishthemseves in such a way as to offer maybe even some competition to nulsec. Everyone wants new players to fall in line and either become pirates or join nulsec corps. But what about those that want to either play with minimal combat or those that want to organize and challenge nulsec for their own corner of the galaxy? And expanded HighSec could become the base from which new corps can organize and make a bid for nulsec. Oh and by the way I am saying all this frorm the Fun perspective here, I do not care about profits calculations etc etc, In today;s EVE most players can just buy and sell a few Plexes and have some billions to play with for a couple of months. So no need to worry about how to be efficient in making money. That was the old EVE. The new EVE is about having fun, and it is not always up to par, needs work.

Kathern Aurilen 211	Posted - 2017.03.27 07:38:43 - [31] - Quote Bjorn Tyrson wrote: Soel Reit wrote: PLS get GUD and use autopilot on your freighter so that ELITE PVPERS can gank it. you're already subbed into the right game, just need to get gud at it I've tried that though, in fact i've autopiloted a battleship, with active killright, from dodixie, to rens, to jita, and then to amarr and nothing.... I mean wtf game are you all playing that is so damn lethal when I can make aroute like that on autopilot and not have anything happen? Maybe you need to paint your freighter gold then they will try to hang you. I was mining and I was ganked in a venture by a cat...WHY?... I DONT KNOW, but it was his lose too. The only reason I was hacked was because my old lady was yelling at me and I left it in space. No cuts, no butts, no coconuts! Forum alt, unskilled in the ways of pewpew!
Vincent Athena V.I.C.E. 4033	Posted - 2017.03.27 16:51:03 - [32] - Quote Here's what I think is going on: Different people have different reactions to adrenaline. For some people a shot of adrenaline leaves them feeling good. They get "The Rush". For some, it's neither here nor there. For some, adrenaline leaves them feeling absolutely terrible. For days. People play a game for fun and/or enjoyment. Something that ruins the experience for them, something that leaves them feeling terrible for days, is something to complain about. Even if it only happens a couple of times a year. The result is even though the chances of being ganked in high sec, or even being attacked in non-high are low, for some players the consequences to how they feel is very very high. I talked to Dr Dew Pinsky about this, and he said that our response to adrenaline is genetic. We are born with it. You may ask: Why would not such persons play a different game? Well, what Sci Fi space flight single shard MMORPG with a player driven economy would you suggest? It turns out Eve is a totally unique game, there are no substitutes. Thus, the best course of action is to work to change it. Know a Frozen fan? Check this out Frozen fanfiction
Algarion Getz Aideron Corp 334	Posted - 2017.03.27 19:31:45 - [33] - Quote Bjorn Tyrson wrote: Soel Reit wrote: PLS get GUD and use autopilot on your freighter so that ELITE PVPERS can gank it. you're already subbed into the right game, just need to get gud at it I've tried that though, in fact i've autopiloted a battleship, with active killright, from dodixie, to rens, to jita, and then to amarr and nothing.... I mean wtf game are you all playing that is so damn lethal when I can make aroute like that on autopilot and not have anything happen? The last time i activated autopilot in highsec, i got ganked in less that 5min. I was in a shuttle with empty cargo. High sec gankers always prefer defenseless ships.
Gealbhan Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 541	Posted - 2017.03.28 01:40:50 - [34] - Quote I don't fly anything worth ganking unless you want to take a sec/isk hit. If you do actually gank one of my ships, I have 10 more just like it in the station. Podded? np, not carrying implants anyway.
Daarick Thairleen Weh Mir Oh Weh 6	Posted - 2017.03.28 03:50:46 - [35] - Quote Chris Ishar wrote: Bjorn Tyrson wrote: so I keep hearing all of these complaints. So i'm wondering.. are we all actually playing the same game??? Yes, Who are you carrying all those ore stacks for anyway? CCP? Is that it? CCP? Why I'll tell you... let me give you... a little inside information about CCP. CCP likes to be paid. He's a prankster.Think about it. CCP gives capsuleers... a drive. He gives you this extraordinary gift, and then what does He do? I swear, for ccp's own amusement... their own private, cosmic...gag reel... He sets the rules in opposition. It's the goof of all time. Mine ore, get ISK. Buy skillbook, but don't inject. Inject, but don't learn yet. Learn, but don't rush. And while you're warping from one jumppgate to the next, what is CCP doing? CCP's laughing his sick, ******* ass off! CCP's a tightass! CCP's a sadist! CCP's an absentee landlord! Subscribe to that? Never! "Better to accumulate ISK to get PLEX than buy a subscription, is that it?" Why not? I'm here in the spacestation with my nose in it since the whole thing began! I've nurtured every skill capsuleer has been inspired to have! I cared about what ccp wanted and I never judged them! Why? Because I never rejected him, in spite of all his imperfections! I'm a fan of ccp! GÇªI'm a capsuleer. Maybe the last capsuleer. Who, in their right mind... ..., could possibly deny... ...that the enjoyment was entirely mine? All of it, Bjorn! All of it. Mine. I'm peaking, Bjorn. It's my time now. It's our time. Nice Devils Advocate reference.
Ima Wreckyou The Conference Elite CODE. 3801	Posted - 2017.03.28 05:27:07 - [36] - Quote Sivar Ahishatsu wrote: High Sec PKing calm down miner. It's actually called elite-PvP not PK the Code ALWAYS wins Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
Mr Mieyli Hedion University Amarr Empire 489	Posted - 2017.03.28 05:34:18 - [37] - Quote Bjorn Tyrson wrote: so I keep hearing all of these complaints about how other people are "ruining the game" about how freighter ganking is an every day occurance. and if you will believe the reports, you can't even get a freighter out of jita without being ganked. tales of woe about how poor miners are being harassed in belts, and can barely even get a full hold without being blown up. how the second you jump into low or null, you get insta-ganked by a camp that is there 24/7 so i'm wondering.. are we all actually playing the same game??? I mean I bring freighters in and out of major trade hubs, often carrying multi-billions of isk worth every month. I have semi-afk mining fleets that i'm only half paying attention too in belts most of the time through the day. I manage to explore wormholes, and hell actively hunt wormholes for days at a time and never see a soul. and I regularly make excursions into low and null, sometimes even flying battleships, and the majority of them come back just fine. so WTF game are you all playing that is so consistantly lethal, where the second you undock you get ganked... and where can I sign up for it? for reference, the largest loss i've had in the past 4 years was 800m in one day, and that was due to back to back machariel losses... to npcs.... was doing an epic arc yes. but that means that from my experiences, pve is roughly 100 times more lethal than any pvp in the game. Wow, how strong you are punching down that straw man. A case for more AoE in EvE
Elmund Egivand Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 2113	Posted - 2017.03.28 06:21:05 - [38] - Quote Bjorn Tyrson wrote: so I keep hearing all of these complaints about how other people are "ruining the game" about how freighter ganking is an every day occurance. and if you will believe the reports, you can't even get a freighter out of jita without being ganked. tales of woe about how poor miners are being harassed in belts, and can barely even get a full hold without being blown up. how the second you jump into low or null, you get insta-ganked by a camp that is there 24/7 so i'm wondering.. are we all actually playing the same game??? I mean I bring freighters in and out of major trade hubs, often carrying multi-billions of isk worth every month. I have semi-afk mining fleets that i'm only half paying attention too in belts most of the time through the day. I manage to explore wormholes, and hell actively hunt wormholes for days at a time and never see a soul. and I regularly make excursions into low and null, sometimes even flying battleships, and the majority of them come back just fine. so WTF game are you all playing that is so consistantly lethal, where the second you undock you get ganked... and where can I sign up for it? for reference, the largest loss i've had in the past 4 years was 800m in one day, and that was due to back to back machariel losses... to npcs.... was doing an epic arc yes. but that means that from my experiences, pve is roughly 100 times more lethal than any pvp in the game. It just means that you had risen over the other newbies who had no idea what they were doing and actually git somewhat gud. Congratulations. A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Kathern Aurilen 212	Posted - 2017.03.28 12:01:49 - [39] - Quote Ima Wreckyou wrote: Sivar Ahishatsu wrote: High Sec PKing calm down miner. It's actually called elite-PvP not PK Lol elite PvP... Or PuppyKicking No cuts, no butts, no coconuts! Forum alt, unskilled in the ways of pewpew!
Tau Cabalander Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs 6750	Posted - 2017.03.28 18:30:09 - [40] - Quote I recently lost an expensive pod in hisec. It was my own fault. See, I take ownership of my failures, and learn from them. I don't blame others.

Silivar Karkun Brothership Of EVE The Initiative. 207	Posted - 2017.03.28 20:21:45 - [41] - Quote not all parts of space are hotspots. Lowsec is quiet most of the time unless you're flying near a FW warzone or the very rare gatecamp. sov Nullsec is usually full with alliance scouts giving intel and now that bubbles decay over time it is much more quiet to traverse. only from time to time you see an enemy fleet moving around but there's usually a lot of safespots marked on corp/alliance. never been to NPC nullsec, must me roughly the same. ive have had my adrenaline rushes on some WHs but those with instakillers are usually on the higher end of them, C1s are mostly devoid of life, outside of the usual people using it as a proxy to move stuff around to their homes.
Austin Blythe School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 8	Posted - 2017.03.28 20:28:06 - [42] - Quote Sounds like you just exaggerated things so you could make a post that appealed to the resident forum PvPers.
Bjorn Tyrson EVE University Ivy League 402	Posted - 2017.03.28 20:33:12 - [43] - Quote Austin Blythe wrote: Sounds like you just exaggerated things so you could make a post that appealed to the resident forum PvPers. Nah, exaggerating would be claiming that I NEVER lost a ship ever... although my rather abysmal killboard shows otherwise.
Kathern Aurilen 214	Posted - 2017.03.28 22:48:11 - [44] - Quote Tau Cabalander wrote: I recently lost an expensive pod in hisec. It was my own fault. See, I take ownership of my failures, and learn from them. I don't blame others. Me too. I lost my lil venture to a cat(WHY?? I don't know) but it was my fault, but he did try to sell my body back to me. My ol lady was yelling at me while I was taking some quiet time so I jumped up to see what it was and it was only mop the kitchen and do EVERYTHING IN THE HOUSE!!! So I was tied up for 2 hours and that's what I came back to.... No cuts, no butts, no coconuts! Forum alt, unskilled in the ways of pewpew!
Elmund Egivand Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 2114	Posted - 2017.03.29 02:39:11 - [45] - Quote Kathern Aurilen wrote: Tau Cabalander wrote: I recently lost an expensive pod in hisec. It was my own fault. See, I take ownership of my failures, and learn from them. I don't blame others. Me too. I lost my lil venture to a cat(WHY?? I don't know) but it was my fault, but he did try to sell my body back to me. My ol lady was yelling at me while I was taking some quiet time so I jumped up to see what it was and it was only mop the kitchen and do EVERYTHING IN THE HOUSE!!! So I was tied up for 2 hours and that's what I came back to.... If you are gonna be gone because of the old lady, dock up! A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Clockwork Robot Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 75	Posted - 2017.03.29 03:06:17 - [46] - Quote I have had to try both times I was killed. The first death I ever had, I flew my noobship all the way to Fountain, (pre-war) and had to orbit a station for five minutes, and announce myself, before someone obliged and podded me. Full disclosure, I don't play very much, but I don't know. Aside from a few one off chat convos, this MMO is much like every other one. Very insular, and little actual "newbro" engagement. Even in the "getting killed" department.
Kathern Aurilen 216	Posted - 2017.03.29 10:53:56 - [47] - Quote Elmund Egivand wrote: Kathern Aurilen wrote: Tau Cabalander wrote: I recently lost an expensive pod in hisec. It was my own fault. See, I take ownership of my failures, and learn from them. I don't blame others. Me too. I lost my lil venture to a cat(WHY?? I don't know) but it was my fault, but he did try to sell my body back to me. My ol lady was yelling at me while I was taking some quiet time so I jumped up to see what it was and it was only mop the kitchen and do EVERYTHING IN THE HOUSE!!! So I was tied up for 2 hours and that's what I came back to.... If you are gonna be gone because of the old lady, dock up! Lol I usally do. The way she "called" to me I thought there was a murder or something. No cuts, no butts, no coconuts! Forum alt, unskilled in the ways of pewpew!
Bjorn Tyrson EVE University Ivy League 415	Posted - 2017.03.29 11:27:56 - [48] - Quote Kathern Aurilen wrote: Elmund Egivand wrote: Kathern Aurilen wrote: Tau Cabalander wrote: I recently lost an expensive pod in hisec. It was my own fault. See, I take ownership of my failures, and learn from them. I don't blame others. Me too. I lost my lil venture to a cat(WHY?? I don't know) but it was my fault, but he did try to sell my body back to me. My ol lady was yelling at me while I was taking some quiet time so I jumped up to see what it was and it was only mop the kitchen and do EVERYTHING IN THE HOUSE!!! So I was tied up for 2 hours and that's what I came back to.... If you are gonna be gone because of the old lady, dock up! Lol I usally do. The way she "called" to me I thought there was a murder or something. **** happens replace ship and move on
Tau Cabalander Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs 6752	Posted - 2017.03.29 18:31:13 - [49] - Quote Bjorn Tyrson wrote: Kathern Aurilen wrote: Elmund Egivand wrote: Kathern Aurilen wrote: Tau Cabalander wrote: I recently lost an expensive pod in hisec. It was my own fault. See, I take ownership of my failures, and learn from them. I don't blame others. Me too. I lost my lil venture to a cat(WHY?? I don't know) but it was my fault, but he did try to sell my body back to me. My ol lady was yelling at me while I was taking some quiet time so I jumped up to see what it was and it was only mop the kitchen and do EVERYTHING IN THE HOUSE!!! So I was tied up for 2 hours and that's what I came back to.... If you are gonna be gone because of the old lady, dock up! Lol I usally do. The way she "called" to me I thought there was a murder or something. **** happens replace ship and move on Replaced ship (shuttle) with a maximally-tanked Maller (Amarr cruiser), often considered a bait-ship because of its EHP. It has ~112,000 EHP. I expect it is good enough for most hisec AFK shuttle replacement (no cargo). More appropriate than a shuttle when you have 1b of implants in your head.
Aedaxus Digital Zone Corp 9	Posted - 2017.03.30 13:52:49 - [50] - Quote Bjorn Tyrson wrote: so I keep hearing all of these complaints about how other people are "ruining the game" People will always be around to ruin others experience, just look at forum trolls, they don't care but like attention. 10 years ago in EVE every region has a bunch of ISK spammers flooding local. Not a problem for CCP not at all. CCP lost income to ISK spammers. Do you see a report ISK spammer button? Did it take years to program? No, CCP cares about money. Once a certain action is detrimental to the income they will insta ban each and every account linked to the actiosn that causes financial loss. Some people say that "if you undock you are in imminent danger". That is a completely false statement. Once you go to an ore belt or mission area or discovered area you might become in danger. Once the people that abide that false statement will cause the loss of money for CCP they won't understand why they got banned. They just won't. But they will be removed from the game even if they still don't understand. Even if it was different before they will be banned. Anyways, just make sure how you play does not force people to say "I am going to stop paying CCP" because then your account will no longer log in. It won't, trust me. Even if you don't understand, even if you think people should not undock without a permission from you. Because in the end if people block others from paying CCP those little cancers and all of their linked accounts will find themselves RL account ganked.

Sivar Ahishatsu science and trade institute Caldari State 7	Posted - 2017.04.13 04:34:26 - [51] - Quote Ima Wreckyou wrote: Sivar Ahishatsu wrote: High Sec PKing calm down miner. It's actually called elite-PvP not PK LOL... was World of Warcraft your first MMO? Ina sandbox game when you attack a weaker player who has no chance to really beat you it is called PKilling, because it is not PvP.
Bjorn Tyrson EVE University Ivy League 515	Posted - 2017.04.13 04:39:39 - [52] - Quote Aedaxus wrote: Bjorn Tyrson wrote: so I keep hearing all of these complaints about how other people are "ruining the game" People will always be around to ruin others experience, just look at forum trolls, they don't care but like attention. 10 years ago in EVE every region has a bunch of ISK spammers flooding local. Not a problem for CCP not at all. CCP lost income to ISK spammers. Do you see a report ISK spammer button? Did it take years to program? No, CCP cares about money. Once a certain action is detrimental to the income they will insta ban each and every account linked to the actiosn that causes financial loss. Some people say that "if you undock you are in imminent danger". That is a completely false statement. Once you go to an ore belt or mission area or discovered area you might become in danger. Once the people that abide that false statement will cause the loss of money for CCP they won't understand why they got banned. They just won't. But they will be removed from the game even if they still don't understand. Even if it was different before they will be banned. Anyways, just make sure how you play does not force people to say "I am going to stop paying CCP" because then your account will no longer log in. It won't, trust me. Even if you don't understand, even if you think people should not undock without a permission from you. Because in the end if people block others from paying CCP those little cancers and all of their linked accounts will find themselves RL account ganked. Ganking has existed in game since day 1. If it has yet to ever cause enough account loss for ccp to come down on it. Then they never will.
Infinity Ziona Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 2760	Posted - 2017.04.13 06:08:32 - [53] - Quote Soel Reit wrote: PLS get GUD and use autopilot on your freighter so that ELITE PVPERS can gank it. you're already subbed into the right game, just need to get gud at it Ignoring the obvious elephant in the room. Freighters don't get ganked because of autopilot, they get ganked for being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Tanking a freighter means a 40+ second align - more than enough time to be scrammed and bumped. Fitting istabs still takes 20+ seconds to align and reduces HP significantly. 20 seconds is more than enough time to be scrammed and bumped. Learn the game and then you can tell people to get good. CCP Fozzie GÇ£We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-tonGÇª in null sec anomalies. GÇ£* Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Mr Mieyli Hedion University Amarr Empire 575	Posted - 2017.04.13 07:30:41 - [54] - Quote Bjorn Tyrson wrote: Austin Blythe wrote: Sounds like you just exaggerated things so you could make a post that appealed to the resident forum PvPers. Nah, exaggerating would be claiming that I NEVER lost a ship ever... although my rather abysmal killboard shows otherwise. You're doing it again.. A case for more AoE in EvE
Bjorn Tyrson EVE University Ivy League 517	Posted - 2017.04.13 07:33:39 - [55] - Quote Mr Mieyli wrote: Bjorn Tyrson wrote: Austin Blythe wrote: Sounds like you just exaggerated things so you could make a post that appealed to the resident forum PvPers. Nah, exaggerating would be claiming that I NEVER lost a ship ever... although my rather abysmal killboard shows otherwise. You're doing it again.. Doing what? Admitting that I suck at pvp? That I'm generally a massive carebear who spends most of his time in HS? Fail to see how that's appealing to any form of pvper
Jenn aSide Absolute Massive Destruction Test Alliance Please Ignore 15568	Posted - 2017.04.13 13:30:02 - [56] - Quote Bjorn Tyrson wrote: Doing what? Admitting that I suck at pvp? That I'm generally a massive carebear who spends most of his time in HS? Fail to see how that's appealing to any form of pvper A my dear Bjorn, what you actually did was attack the screwed up worldview of people who need to have something to complain about and need to see things as screwed up (because seeing things that way is how they excuse their own incompetence in a video game in their own minds). I know how you felt when making your post man, there's not a day goes by when i read these forums that I don't think "Geez, it the game and CCP sucks that bad, how can these people be so stupid and to stick around". I think many of us have had experiences with such people in real life. I go to work every night to a really cool job where I probably get paid more than I'm worth (I'd never say that to the brass though, to them it's "I need a raise" lol) and spend half that time listening to co-workers at the same really cool job complain about everything under the sun as if their situation is the worst thing that ever happened to anyone. When I explain to them that their are 2500 organizations like ours in our state and a total of more than 19,000 such organizations in our country and if this one is so horrible it's stupid to stay, they come up with the same exact excuses. "I shouldn't have to leave, 'THEY' should fix it" "I got too much time in/too old to start over somewhere else" "This place as 'POTENTIAL', I'd hate to leave and one day hear how awesome it is" Just like some of these folks in this game, some of my co-workers (now and in the past at other jobs) can't understand that *their unhappiness is internal.* Changing outside things (like our pay or the other little nagging things they complain about) might help short term, but long term they are right back to the unhappy state that started from. This is easy to see in game. People press for "changes", CCP delivers (look at all the safety related changes they added since 2012, everything from buffed exhumers or anchor rigs, to the warp off mechanic to crimewatch to safety pop ups etc etc), and 10 seconds after the change to "change crowd" is back to complaining about something and asking for more change. It's like they are delusional and think that there is some "end state" situation where things are changed enough to make them happy, when in reality that state cannot exist because they are incapable of being happy. This is why I laugh at the "you just don't like change" people. I take joy in explaining to them that my reaction to their half baked idea isn't resistance to change, it's the understanding of how things are. If you can't FIRST be happy with what you have, no amount of change will ever make you happy (I explained this to a family member, told her that if she isn't happy now , getting married and having kids is going to make it all worse, not better, she didn't believe me then, 3 kids and a divorce later, she kinda does lol). My opposition is to the false narrative they've built up in their heads about themselves...
Mr Mieyli Hedion University Amarr Empire 575	Posted - 2017.04.13 14:59:56 - [57] - Quote What a load of waffle, cry somewhere else Jenn, I'm not interested. You're not saying anything I don't know, but maybe you should start a blog? One where you can be happy complaining about all the horrible people in the world, instead of accepting how things really ARE. Bjorn's OP is a huge exaggeration of 'carebear' claims, and his reply to that claim was again an exaggeration. A case for more AoE in EvE
Jenn aSide Absolute Massive Destruction Test Alliance Please Ignore 15569	Posted - 2017.04.13 15:10:22 - [58] - Quote Mr Mieyli wrote: What a load of waffle, cry somewhere else Jenn, I'm not interested. You're not saying anything I don't know, but maybe you should start a blog? One where you can be happy complaining about all the horrible people in the world, instead of accepting how things really ARE. Bjorn's OP is a huge exaggeration of 'carebear' claims, and his reply to that claim was again an exaggeration. This here is the defensive reaction you get when what you are saying hits home. And I think everyone notices how you are propjecting on to me. I'm not the one that's unhappy, i like the game, and I can tolerate it's people like CODE and Goons and marmite and the rest. I play EVE and enjoy it for what it is instead of "what it could be if only CCP would do what I tell them" lol. And that's the point. The people who want change for changes sake, who are perpetually unhappy, who suggest modificaitons to the game not because they are needed but because the person making the proposal thinks it will make them happy etc, those people are the problem. You yourself did that recently , though to your extreme credit you seemed to indicate at the end that you understood that you had been wrong. Your response is normal though, the worst thing one can ever do to an unhappy person is tell them that they are the root cause of their unhappiness rather than the external thing they laid the blame on. But I hope you understand that it isn't meant as something that's supposed to hurt you. Just expressing how god damn irritating that is to people like me (who are pretty happy with things and situations in life for the most part). Unhappy people are depressing as **** man. BTW, I recently found an article about unhappiness. It's some good stuff in there, and might explain the perpetually depressed mood you see from people on this forum. Maybe they are addicted to unhappiness.
Yebo Lakatosh KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 182	Posted - 2017.04.13 18:14:00 - [59] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: the worst thing one can ever do to an unhappy person is tell them that they are the root cause of their unhappiness rather than the external thing they laid the blame on. That explains why I became single so suddenly. But -she- kept bugging me all the time to tell her what I think! Ahh well. Less stuff to disturb internet spaceships. They say Alpha clones are only for trying stuff. I say it's just the Hard Mode.
Jenn aSide Absolute Massive Destruction Test Alliance Please Ignore 15569	Posted - 2017.04.13 18:58:58 - [60] - Quote Yebo Lakatosh wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: the worst thing one can ever do to an unhappy person is tell them that they are the root cause of their unhappiness rather than the external thing they laid the blame on. That explains why I became single so suddenly. But -she- kept bugging me all the time to tell her what I think! Ahh well. Less stuff to disturb internet spaceships. Been there, but chin up , it can get better, just gotta meet the right one My ex hated EVE, that's not why she's the ex but I do laugh when i think EVE is still here while she is gone. My current wife has her own hobby she like s(she builds and sells custom dollhouses) and loves how EVE keeps me out of her hair for a couple hours every night even though she is in the same room I am. But she chuckles in my general direction when i get all excited over mumble about something. The running joke in my house is "did you get bombed again, or were you able to warp out this time?" lol.

Yebo Lakatosh KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 182	Posted - 2017.04.13 19:27:54 - [61] - Quote Sounds lovely! Though my chin was unaffected. So called circumstances can't reach that deep. Though let me not derail this thread any longer. What was it about? Ahh, I know - I was waiting for page 4, so I could just reply something snarky to the title only without reading the op and the rest. They say Alpha clones are only for trying stuff. I say it's just the Hard Mode.
Yebo Lakatosh KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 182	Posted - 2017.04.13 19:28:51 - [62] - Quote (and it happened!) Hey OP, check if the launcher says something like "EvE Online". If it does, you are playing the right game. They say Alpha clones are only for trying stuff. I say it's just the Hard Mode.
Kaeden 3142 State Protectorate Caldari State 4	Posted - 2017.04.14 09:23:20 - [63] - Quote actually, tested this auto pilot frighter hauling keeping the route to high sec and I was bumped and ransomed. That's how it goes with this community. Of course, it was within the game so called mechanics. As common saying goes " don't trust anyone".
Agent 5B Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 38	Posted - 2017.04.14 13:04:28 - [64] - Quote Bjorn Tyrson wrote: for reference, the largest loss i've had in the past 4 years was 800m in one day, and that was due to back to back machariel losses... to npcs.... was doing an epic arc yes. but that means that from my experiences, pve is roughly 100 times more lethal than any pvp in the game. Your KB show 30 - 12 and every kill you've had was part of a 10+ gang almost all of those kills were 2017 so I would say prior to then you did little if any PVP
Bjorn Tyrson EVE University Ivy League 528	Posted - 2017.04.14 13:50:38 - [65] - Quote Agent 5B wrote: Bjorn Tyrson wrote: for reference, the largest loss i've had in the past 4 years was 800m in one day, and that was due to back to back machariel losses... to npcs.... was doing an epic arc yes. but that means that from my experiences, pve is roughly 100 times more lethal than any pvp in the game. Your KB show 30 - 12 and every kill you've had was part of a 10+ gang almost all of those kills were 2017 so I would say prior to then you did little if any PVP Never claimed to be a pvper. The thread wasn't about pvp. But the supposed danger of HS carebears who are (according to the number of salt posts) Under a constant unending torrent of assault and ganking to the point that the game is unplayable
Aaaarrgg The Conference Elite CODE. 32	Posted - 2017.04.14 19:48:21 - [66] - Quote I am a player you are a player I versed you :) sounds like Player verses Player or "PVP" its not our fault you couldn't be bothered to fit a tank/ guns or even just went afk in space in your pod, I mean seriously if you value your ship/pod that much to post tears on the forums then defend them or lose them. Sivar Ahishatsu wrote: Ima Wreckyou wrote: Sivar Ahishatsu wrote: High Sec PKing calm down miner. It's actually called elite-PvP not PK LOL... was World of Warcraft your first MMO? Ina sandbox game when you attack a weaker player who has no chance to really beat you it is called PKilling, because it is not PvP.
Teckos Pech Amok. Goonswarm Federation 6404	Posted - 2017.04.14 20:07:31 - [67] - Quote Bjorn Tyrson wrote: Agent 5B wrote: Bjorn Tyrson wrote: for reference, the largest loss i've had in the past 4 years was 800m in one day, and that was due to back to back machariel losses... to npcs.... was doing an epic arc yes. but that means that from my experiences, pve is roughly 100 times more lethal than any pvp in the game. Your KB show 30 - 12 and every kill you've had was part of a 10+ gang almost all of those kills were 2017 so I would say prior to then you did little if any PVP Never claimed to be a pvper. The thread wasn't about pvp. But the supposed danger of HS carebears who are (according to the number of salt posts) Under a constant unending torrent of assault and ganking to the point that the game is unplayable It is their fault. IMO, risk in this game is something each player is responsible for. When you click undock, you are taking an action that increases your risk. When you overload your freighter, you are increasing your risk. If you click autopilot you are increasing your risk. In other words the degree of risk you take is largely dependent on your actions. Take prudent and reasonable actions and your risk goes down. Take imprudent and unreasonable actions and your risk goes up. The problem with people complaining about being under a torrent of assault and and suicide ganking have nobody to blame but themselves. Now some might say, "You are blaming the victim." Please, spare me that nonsense. This is a competitive MMO that is a sandbox game--i.e. do things to other players is the game. And yes, those include doing "bad" things like shooting them. Complaining about this makes as much sense as going to see a comedy at the theater and complaining to the manager that the movie made you laugh. It is a generally accepted tenet of this game that that you and only you are responsible for your safety at the end of the day. Yes friends might come help you, but that is a bonus. And I'll add that for many complaining either their friends won't come help them (some friends) or they can't (**** poor planning) or they have been playing the game as if there were no other actual players in the game. In short, "they are doing it wrong". So in the end, risk is largely if not entirely due to your own actions. And when you engage in risky behavior your are also creating the rewards for other players. Thus, whining about risk vs. rewards in regards to mechanics is based on a flawed understanding of how risk and rewards work in this game. "The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek 8 Golden Rules for EVE Online
Vipsan Agrippa Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 135	Posted - 2017.04.14 20:14:41 - [68] - Quote Each culture, each game has its unique linguistics and definitions. If the majority of people in Eve do not define PvP to include ganking so be it. Even established words in common usage in the broader community change over time. It's also true people with low IQ can not cope well with change or the nuances of different cultures.
Xzanos Fools Resurrection 2	Posted - 2017.04.14 20:38:12 - [69] - Quote Scipio Artelius wrote: When I read the forum, everything is broken, needs changing and is exploited by a community of sociopaths who only care for themselves. When I play th game, everything works, is fun and is made even better by playing with a community of people I wouldn't know from Arthur or Martha in real life, but who I always find are just regular ordinary people enjoying their hobby. I much prefer the experience in game. Because you are a sociopath, lol jk
Aaron Eternal Frontier 594	Posted - 2017.04.15 02:30:40 - [70] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: Yebo Lakatosh wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: the worst thing one can ever do to an unhappy person is tell them that they are the root cause of their unhappiness rather than the external thing they laid the blame on. That explains why I became single so suddenly. But -she- kept bugging me all the time to tell her what I think! Ahh well. Less stuff to disturb internet spaceships. Been there, but chin up , it can get better, just gotta meet the right one My ex hated EVE, that's not why she's the ex but I do laugh when i think EVE is still here while she is gone. My current wife has her own hobby she like s(she builds and sells custom dollhouses) and loves how EVE keeps me out of her hair for a couple hours every night even though she is in the same room I am. But she chuckles in my general direction when i get all excited over mumble about something. The running joke in my house is "did you get bombed again, or were you able to warp out this time?" lol. LOL, my ex found me playing Eve hillarious, she would laugh at the name of a cloaky camper "Mr Gronk" everytime his name was mentioned. She also laughed at us lot who post regular on forums and said it was silly that we spend more time typing about Eve than actually playing it. I played her the "this is REALLLY Eve" video and could not understand what all the emotion was about. That guy screaming at the end had us both LOL'ing Fear no one, live life, be free, accept the truth, do not judge others, defend yourself, fight hard till the end, meditate on problems and be prosperous. Things to exist by. -- RAIN Arthie

Aaron Eternal Frontier 594	Posted - 2017.04.15 03:11:25 - [71] - Quote Bjorn Tyrson wrote: Agent 5B wrote: Bjorn Tyrson wrote: for reference, the largest loss i've had in the past 4 years was 800m in one day, and that was due to back to back machariel losses... to npcs.... was doing an epic arc yes. but that means that from my experiences, pve is roughly 100 times more lethal than any pvp in the game. Your KB show 30 - 12 and every kill you've had was part of a 10+ gang almost all of those kills were 2017 so I would say prior to then you did little if any PVP Never claimed to be a pvper. The thread wasn't about pvp. But the supposed danger of HS carebears who are (according to the number of salt posts) Under a constant unending torrent of assault and ganking to the point that the game is unplayable Hmmm, maybe it is naive to think that everyone should play the game in a similar fashion (i'm not referring to you Bjorn). with regard to hauling the way my mind works would be to seek some kind of help or advice if I was a noob that knew nothing. I'd eventually find Red Frog then i would either copy exactly what they do or use their service and pay a fair price. I think it's time to accept that people think differently and no amount of debate and arguing will ever change this. I opt to try and carefully change the way people think by doing ventures that offer a different perspective regarding gameplay tactics within Eve. I think the role-play victims such as miners and freight runners just need advice on some defensive pvp tactics where they can create a defensive firewall and defend their assets cooperatively. Escorting a freight for example has always been an epic part of any sci-fi game, book, or film. in the past, to me that seems like an opportunity for PVP. Why don't we have more miners unions where miners mine in a group and use combat drones and tank for defence? Back in my Stain days I fell out with a group of guys and started fighting them. My only demand was that they move away from the system I had invited them to otherwise I would destroy their ships. At first I was successful and killing a few of them very easily but then they adapted and started doing everything as a group and I found it hard to kill them. In fact they destroyed more of my ships than I theirs. I ended up having to leave that part of Stain because their teamwork ethic was too much for me to handle alone. So take what you can out of that story, they overcame my attacks by working as a team, being in some sort of team is the very essence of Eve be it a corp or some sort of loose community. Fear no one, live life, be free, accept the truth, do not judge others, defend yourself, fight hard till the end, meditate on problems and be prosperous. Things to exist by. -- RAIN Arthie
Aaron Eternal Frontier 597	Posted - 2017.04.15 07:09:24 - [72] - Quote I had a thought. CCP Earn 50m to 100m per year I'm sure they have assets so why have they not hired actual people to be NPC agents? Somebody could role-play a war hardened vet as if it was an acting career and enthusiastically set up stuff for noobs to do and be onhand to answer questions. I know how some people think and they would like this people would find it cool to be associated with human NPC agents. I know CCP have done it a couple of times where CCP staff were controlling ships and interacting with the community. CCP, sign me up as an employee on a 3 year contract for -ú25,000 per year and I will quit my regular job and play Eve for 50 hours a week. I will create content for new pilots and ensure that people have exciting times and ensure their continued subscription to Eve. Fear no one, live life, be free, accept the truth, do not judge others, defend yourself, fight hard till the end, meditate on problems and be prosperous. Things to exist by. -- RAIN Arthie
Yebo Lakatosh KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 185	Posted - 2017.04.16 05:41:31 - [73] - Quote We do that for free. Well, a few of us. Others even pay for it. They say Alpha clones are only for trying stuff. I say it's just the Hard Mode.
NanDe YaNen Liberal Universalists 9	Posted - 2017.05.04 10:45:26 - [74] - Quote I'm making a new style of gameplay in Eve. I fly and make money. I don't haul. I don't always explore. I don't strictly need to be good at PvP, though I enjoy the rush. I repeat: I fly and make money. The best place to go for rich economic play is null sec. I want to show people. I want them to succeed and freely zip all over the map and do what they do, but do it in null. I can take you on a tour. I can help you make your first null ISK. I've begun offering to take pilots on a tour of nullsec in whatever ship they have (I can probably get them through) because I've realized a surprising number of those focused on economics never leave highsec. The best economics are in nullsec. If you want to make things work when they do not work, the real wild wild west, then the rewards are there for the taking. If you really think you're interested in economic meta game or whatever, I guarantee you that nullsec is the place. I've been teaching someone on the public channel. Unsurprisingly they are killing it. I see huge amounts of crazy assumptions about what is needed to trade in nullsec successfully. You don't need an alliance! You don't need a jump freighter! The only thing you need to ever haul is ass! No POS's or sov No pirates No permission No 0.1-upping at the station 99% of null is just peaceful space and I spend a good amount of time watching alliance operations or hacking cans out of curiosity and to play cat & mouse games. If you want to make more money than you make in highsec and have a lot more fun doing it while having so much free time not spent at the helm of a slow-ass freighter getting bumped every three months by CODE, please, accept my invitation to come fly around in nullsec and taste the freedom and profits yourself! Find me in game or the corp that I've formed to encapsulate this push, the Liberal Universalists. FYI I'm also into faction warfare and would be happy to gang with you while we dumpster pirates in lowsec, but this invite is all about just convincing people to get comfortable flying through gate camps and managing null rather than avoiding it.
Bjorn Tyrson EVE University Ivy League 555	Posted - 2017.05.04 14:25:49 - [75] - Quote Aaron wrote: I had a thought. CCP Earn 50m to 100m per year I'm sure they have assets so why have they not hired actual people to be NPC agents? Somebody could role-play a war hardened vet as if it was an acting career and enthusiastically set up stuff for noobs to do and be onhand to answer questions. I know how some people think and they would like this people would find it cool to be associated with human NPC agents. I know CCP have done it a couple of times where CCP staff were controlling ships and interacting with the community. CCP, sign me up as an employee on a 3 year contract for -ú25,000 per year and I will quit my regular job and play Eve for 50 hours a week. I will create content for new pilots and ensure that people have exciting times and ensure their continued subscription to Eve. They used to have that... back in the day looks whistfully off into the stars once upon a time they had an entire team of people dedicated to running live events, it was a better time, a golden time for RP in Eve, the universe was alive... vibrant... now all that is left is the live events sub forum, a sad shell that reminds us all of what once was. and what could have been... stoic tear rolls down cheek
NanDe YaNen Liberal Universalists 9	Posted - 2017.05.04 14:56:24 - [76] - Quote Quote: it was a better time, a golden time for RP in Eve Someone asked me if I'm RP because I'm too hardcore in delivering the liberal message. I said no because I began this fully aware that the ratchet would be successful. If you would like to create a niche somewhat like MC actually fulfills a real role, again, check out my brand shiny new corp and be ready to be the best traders in the game and use that power to add an aspect to the game. If groups like MC didn't exist, people would be saying, "I'm surprised that the people trying to be mercenaries haven't formed a bigger corporation and gotten credibly capable of delivering a product"
ApexDynamo Hazardous Wormhole Rebels 40	Posted - 2017.05.04 17:31:22 - [77] - Quote i find it most amuseing in movies freighters can tank and have actual defence systems you play eve and its like you get 3 low slots no defence get rekt
Bjorn Tyrson EVE University Ivy League 556	Posted - 2017.05.04 17:42:49 - [78] - Quote ApexDynamo wrote: i find it most amuseing in movies freighters can tank and have actual defence systems you play eve and its like you get 3 low slots no defence get rekt which movies are you talking about? also 3 lows is plenty enough for defense if you actually bother to pack for tank rather than cargo space.
Teckos Pech Amok. Goonswarm Federation 6456	Posted - 2017.05.04 17:56:38 - [79] - Quote Bjorn Tyrson wrote: ApexDynamo wrote: i find it most amuseing in movies freighters can tank and have actual defence systems you play eve and its like you get 3 low slots no defence get rekt which movies are you talking about? also 3 lows is plenty enough for defense if you actually bother to pack for tank rather than cargo space. Right...not like guys in skiffs (RL skiffs, not the ships in game) don't motor right up next to freighters and take stuff. "The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek 8 Golden Rules for EVE Online
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 8403	Posted - 2017.05.04 18:20:01 - [80] - Quote Bjorn Tyrson wrote: so I keep hearing all of these complaints about how other people are "ruining the game" about how freighter ganking is an every day occurance. and if you will believe the reports, you can't even get a freighter out of jita without being ganked. tales of woe about how poor miners are being harassed in belts, and can barely even get a full hold without being blown up. how the second you jump into low or null, you get insta-ganked by a camp that is there 24/7 so i'm wondering.. are we all actually playing the same game??? I mean I bring freighters in and out of major trade hubs, often carrying multi-billions of isk worth every month. I have semi-afk mining fleets that i'm only half paying attention too in belts most of the time through the day. I manage to explore wormholes, and hell actively hunt wormholes for days at a time and never see a soul. and I regularly make excursions into low and null, sometimes even flying battleships, and the majority of them come back just fine. so WTF game are you all playing that is so consistantly lethal, where the second you undock you get ganked... and where can I sign up for it? for reference, the largest loss i've had in the past 4 years was 800m in one day, and that was due to back to back machariel losses... to npcs.... was doing an epic arc yes. but that means that from my experiences, pve is roughly 100 times more lethal than any pvp in the game. While "bad" (based on perspective) things do happen in the game, it's long known that people whose "game" is actually the destruction of this game like to hang out in forums and corp chats and constantly harp on how bad things are, instaganking everywhere, every corp full of dysfunction and drama, low and nullsec entirely inaccessible, and just about every other nook and cranny of certain doom and learned helplessness. Application of their claims in the "real" world (actually undocking instead of reading their BS) show them to be entirely untrue. Even the self-aggrandizement of the gank community is false (freighters are still on autopilot through the Uedama-Niarja pipeline and the pilots already factored loss into their business models and don't care). This is why the majority of the player base, and most MMO players, don't read forums nor interact much in-game. Entire studies can be made on how people "filter" each other in these MMOs. My theory is that this kind of brigading of falsity was started by goons as a means of making less experienced players think that the only way to leave highsec was to join goons (or else just lose all hope). Looking at the meme wars and informational warfare on the internet today and the base of this being internet forums and direct communications, it would only be the goons who would try it and garner some success of it. It's unfortunate that CCP never identified this effort and took measures to do anything about it beyond buffing nullsec income which only benefitted the perpetrators of the propaganda in the long term. Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 8405	Posted - 2017.05.04 18:21:56 - [81] - Quote NanDe YaNen wrote: I'm making a new style of gameplay in Eve. I fly and make money. I don't haul. I don't always explore. I don't strictly need to be good at PvP, though I enjoy the rush. I repeat: I fly and make money. The best place to go for rich economic play is null sec. I want to show people. I want them to succeed and freely zip all over the map and do what they do, but do it in null. I can take you on a tour. I can help you make your first null ISK. I've begun offering to take pilots on a tour of nullsec in whatever ship they have (I can probably get them through) because I've realized a surprising number of those focused on economics never leave highsec. The best economics are in nullsec. If you want to make things work when they do not work, the real wild wild west, then the rewards are there for the taking. If you really think you're interested in economic meta game or whatever, I guarantee you that nullsec is the place. I've been teaching someone on the public channel. Unsurprisingly they are killing it. I see huge amounts of crazy assumptions about what is needed to trade in nullsec successfully. You don't need an alliance! You don't need a jump freighter! The only thing you need to ever haul is ass! No POS's or sov No pirates No permission No 0.1-upping at the station 99% of null is just peaceful space and I spend a good amount of time watching alliance operations or hacking cans out of curiosity and to play cat & mouse games. If you want to make more money than you make in highsec and have a lot more fun doing it while having so much free time not spent at the helm of a slow-ass freighter getting bumped every three months by CODE, please, accept my invitation to come fly around in nullsec and taste the freedom and profits yourself! Find me in game or the corp that I've formed to encapsulate this push, the Liberal Universalists. FYI I'm also into faction warfare and would be happy to gang with you while we dumpster pirates in lowsec, but this invite is all about just convincing people to get comfortable flying through gate camps and managing null rather than avoiding it. ^ this was me in 2010 Bring back DEEEEP Space!
NanDe YaNen Liberal Universalists 9	Posted - 2017.05.04 19:14:42 - [82] - Quote Quote: ^ this was me in 2010 What was your experience?
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 8405	Posted - 2017.05.04 21:04:45 - [83] - Quote NanDe YaNen wrote: Quote: ^ this was me in 2010 What was your experience? That most people are bears (even the PVPers) who want a nice predictable outcome that they can figure out in advance on a calculator and anything they can't min-max they are averse to. As you have observed, they are focused on economics. Those who are not, are focused on stats. The latter will take up your offer and then gank you in lowsec. A corp tried that one me once in a wormhole except they made the mistake of the fleet actually being formed up on time without hours of delays and dumb crap. For that one time (to try and kill me) they all showed up, no excuses, no "oh wait the dog", nothing. So when they jumped, I didn't. In due time I realized that even if you can "help" people, they don't want it. But I did use my travel skills to get into and out of nullsec easily and raked in lots of reward for it. Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Hal Morsh Minmatar Confederate 585	Posted - 2017.05.04 23:53:09 - [84] - Quote Bjorn Tyrson wrote: so I keep hearing all of these complaints about how other people are "ruining the game" 1. about how freighter ganking is an every day occurance. and if you will believe the reports, you can't even get a freighter out of jita without being ganked. 2. tales of woe about how poor miners are being harassed in belts, and can barely even get a full hold without being blown up. 3. how the second you jump into low or null, you get insta-ganked by a camp that is there 24/7 4. so i'm wondering.. are we all actually playing the same game??? 5. I mean I bring freighters in and out of major trade hubs, often carrying multi-billions of isk worth every month. 6. I have semi-afk mining fleets that i'm only half paying attention too in belts most of the time through the day. 7. I manage to explore wormholes, and hell actively hunt wormholes for days at a time and never see a soul. 8. and I regularly make excursions into low and null, sometimes even flying battleships, and the majority of them come back just fine. 9. so WTF game are you all playing that is so consistantly lethal, where the second you undock you get ganked... and where can I sign up for it? for reference, the largest loss i've had in the past 4 years was 800m in one day, and that was due to back to back machariel losses... to npcs.... was doing an epic arc yes. but that means that from my experiences, pve is roughly 100 times more lethal than any pvp in the game. 1. I don't use Jita for a reason, Amarr taught me enough and it isn't a problem. 2. Your scenario only exists if you untank a retriever in Caldari space that CODE literally travels through every day. Or wormholes, those assholes with Asteros dual scram fit. I didn't even realize the astero I had previously killed (who had 2 scrams) in a wormhole, till I lost a venture to exactly that situation with 2 ventures and 4 scrams. Then fell for it again in another wormhole. Highsec and quiet lowsec is just fine though, learn to0 mine professionally. 3. Because people with isk need something to do. Find another entrance to curse that isn't HED-GP, just go through great wildlands instead. 4. Don't be a game they can play. 5. Oops. 6. Nobody cares about procurers. If you are using them that is. 7. They are there, watching... Waiting. 8. So you didn't need my advise on 3 then. Those youtube videos of solo vindicators have to be rigged, didn't anyone have a curse? When I fly gallente they always have a curse. 9. Look for the systems people tell you to avoid. Don't afk pve. Personal advise. ALSO don't assume a megathron can slowboat a room not shooting and open a can when really everything needs to die first. Being sapient can drive us mad.
Hal Morsh Minmatar Confederate 585	Posted - 2017.05.04 23:59:19 - [85] - Quote Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: That most people are bears (even the PVPers) who want a nice predictable outcome that they can figure out in advance on a calculator and anything they can't min-max they are averse to. I am the min of min-max. I can't stand the 1 isk and don't enter if I can't comfortably gouge their prices. If you are charging 10 mll more for an implant than they actually cost. I'm going out of my way to cut your price instead, and a lot of the time I liquidate like the Tv salesmen. Being sapient can drive us mad.


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