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Querns
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2792
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Posted - 2017.03.27 15:10:24 -
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Man, nerf Moloks. Their corpse bay is 10 times as big as the fax and dread.
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Querns
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2792
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Posted - 2017.03.27 15:12:17 -
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These ships clearly need a role bonus for corpse tractor beams.
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Querns
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2792
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Posted - 2017.03.27 17:43:19 -
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Tara Read wrote:Since the Molok has the ability to fit both Doomsday's and Generators of both races those are going to be Massive in wasted m3 space for unpackaged for refitting on the fly. You are talking an extra 10000 m3 or 1/10th of the Moloks entire Fleet Hangar being used for these two modules alone for just one type of race. Let's also not forget the m3 of Capital Nos, Neuts, Capital props, various non racial Doomsday types as well as every other various refit you'll need. Instead of giving the Molok some stupid gimmicky corpse bay half the damn thing and double the Fleet Hangar so we can use the ships versatility.
I love the "please buff the cargo capacity of the ship" crew, because they feel entitled to maximum tactical malleability for their ship. If you want more cargo, fit cargo expanders, or simply live with the fact that you might not be able to bring everything.
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Querns
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2792
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Posted - 2017.03.27 17:44:46 -
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also lol if you think the corpse bay was actually subtracted from the "points" available to this ship and that it exists as a bargaining chip for whatever you're trying to do
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Querns
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2792
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Posted - 2017.03.27 17:53:39 -
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Tara Read wrote:Querns wrote:Tara Read wrote:Since the Molok has the ability to fit both Doomsday's and Generators of both races those are going to be Massive in wasted m3 space for unpackaged for refitting on the fly. You are talking an extra 10000 m3 or 1/10th of the Moloks entire Fleet Hangar being used for these two modules alone for just one type of race. Let's also not forget the m3 of Capital Nos, Neuts, Capital props, various non racial Doomsday types as well as every other various refit you'll need. Instead of giving the Molok some stupid gimmicky corpse bay half the damn thing and double the Fleet Hangar so we can use the ships versatility. I love the "please buff the cargo capacity of the ship" crew, because they feel entitled to maximum tactical malleability for their ship. If you want more cargo, fit cargo expanders, or simply live with the fact that you might not be able to bring everything. Are you fing ********? You just said to fit cargo expanders on a Faction Titan. Do you even understand that by adding the ability to racially fit two instead of ONE type of targeted DD and Phenomenon Generator it takes an additional 10000 m3 of space to DO so. Just shut up.
I understand that you have a fierce, severe entitlement to carrying literally everything in your spaceship. I know there could be a situation where you really need a Sentient 'Unobtanium' Left-Handed Screwdriver II, but sometimes you can't have everything. You may need to make some choices.
Cargo's just one of those things you need to prioritize when fitting a ship. You clearly don't want to fit a cargo expander, yet you really want cargo. This sort of dilemma is great.
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Querns
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2792
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Posted - 2017.03.27 18:13:30 -
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Tara Read wrote:Querns wrote:
I understand that you have a fierce, severe entitlement to carrying literally everything in your spaceship. I know there could be a situation where you really need a Sentient 'Unobtanium' Left-Handed Screwdriver II, but sometimes you can't have everything. You may need to make some choices.
Cargo's just one of those things you need to prioritize when fitting a ship. You clearly don't want to fit a cargo expander, yet you really want cargo. This sort of dilemma is great.
There should BE no deliema on a 300 BILLION ISK TITAN. Especially when the fittings it uses eats up an additional 10k to 20k m3 due to faction capital nos, neuts, racial Doomsday and phenomenon Generators. What's the damn point in owning one if you can't even use the modules it is bonused for????
Woah, simmer down there Sparky, there's no need to get flustered. It's a video game.
A thing having a high cost is not proof against fitting dilemmas. That's silly.
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Querns
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2796
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Posted - 2017.03.27 18:54:25 -
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Tara Read wrote: I've sat for hours coming up with particular refits, modules, squeezing every last drop of space out of a fleet hangar on a regular Avatar.
Maybe you should go outside.
Tara Read wrote: And I am telling you in it's current state with bonuses to capital nos and neuts (meaning you'd usually have two fitted two stored) you are going to incure an increase of (wait for it) 8000 m3 due to having two of each type of NOS and Nuet. An additional 10,000 m3 due to having two racial phenomena generators, and another 5000 m3 of space for needing to carry an additional racial Doomsday. Then you need an additional 5000 m3 of empty space to refit.
That is a total of 28000 additional m3 needed MINIMUM to have the Moloks capability to refit for its bonuses in a combat situation. Engage your damn brain.
Okay, and? It's got a 100,000 m^3 fleet hangar. I understand that you'd have a little less room for meme items such as exotic dancers.
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Querns
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2797
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Posted - 2017.03.27 19:30:11 -
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Tara Read wrote:Querns wrote:Tara Read wrote: I've sat for hours coming up with particular refits, modules, squeezing every last drop of space out of a fleet hangar on a regular Avatar.
Maybe you should go outside. Tara Read wrote: And I am telling you in it's current state with bonuses to capital nos and neuts (meaning you'd usually have two fitted two stored) you are going to incure an increase of (wait for it) 8000 m3 due to having two of each type of NOS and Nuet. An additional 10,000 m3 due to having two racial phenomena generators, and another 5000 m3 of space for needing to carry an additional racial Doomsday. Then you need an additional 5000 m3 of empty space to refit.
That is a total of 28000 additional m3 needed MINIMUM to have the Moloks capability to refit for its bonuses in a combat situation. Engage your damn brain.
Okay, and? It's got a 100,000 m^3 fleet hangar. I understand that you'd have a little less room for meme items such as exotic dancers. I'm done arguing with the mentally challenged. I suggest you go to a neurologist and cure the reason why your neurons fire so slowly when it comes to daring to form an opinion about Capitals.
I mean, so far your argument has been "because this ship costs a lot, I should be able to carry every pair of tweezers and every jar of vaseline." The mental challenge appears to be yours.
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Querns
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2797
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Posted - 2017.03.27 19:38:36 -
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Tara Read wrote:Querns wrote: I mean, so far your argument has been "because this ship costs a lot, I should be able to carry every pair of tweezers and every jar of vaseline." The mental challenge appears to be yours.
No that has never been my argument.
Are you sure? You posted the following:
Tara Read wrote: There should BE no deliema on a 300 BILLION ISK TITAN. Especially when the fittings it uses eats up an additional 10k to 20k m3 due to faction capital nos, neuts, racial Doomsday and phenomenon Generators. What's the damn point in owning one if you can't even use the modules it is bonused for????
which reads awfully like you think that a ship's cost should reflect its utility. Then you posted this:
Tara Read wrote:And I am telling you in it's current state with bonuses to capital nos and neuts (meaning you'd usually have two fitted two stored) you are going to incure an increase of (wait for it) 8000 m3 due to having two of each type of NOS and Nuet. An additional 10,000 m3 due to having two racial phenomena generators, and another 5000 m3 of space for needing to carry an additional racial Doomsday. Then you need an additional 5000 m3 of empty space to refit.
That is a total of 28000 additional m3 needed MINIMUM to have the Moloks capability to refit for its bonuses in a combat situation. Engage your damn brain.
It sounds like you're just mad that a ship won't be able to double as a Quafe hauler.
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Querns
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2797
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Posted - 2017.03.27 19:44:13 -
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Live on forums dot eveonline dot com, the mental breakdown of a pilot who absolutely positively demands that a ship must be able to carry everything. "Why do ships have limited cargoholds at all?" the poster wails in between ragged, gasping breaths, interrupted by frequent wet sniffles. "I NEED to have shield rechargers in my cargo hold! I NEED IT!"
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Querns
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2802
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Posted - 2017.03.27 19:48:45 -
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Tara Read wrote: It seems to me like you fail to comprehend that BECAUSE said Titan is bonused to use CAPITAL nos nuets dd's and generators it specifically needs to be able TO CARRY AND REFIT SAID MODULES. The cost of the Titan has little relevance in regards towards the modules it is bonused to USE. If the Titan was not bonused to use 2 racial doomsdays, three addirional types of dds, capital nos and neuts as well as two phenomena generators we would not be having this discussion.
By your own math, the fleet hangar of the Molok is in size far exceeding the 'required' modules. By three times.
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Querns
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2802
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Posted - 2017.03.27 19:55:00 -
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Tara Read wrote:Querns wrote:Tara Read wrote: It seems to me like you fail to comprehend that BECAUSE said Titan is bonused to use CAPITAL nos nuets dd's and generators it specifically needs to be able TO CARRY AND REFIT SAID MODULES. The cost of the Titan has little relevance in regards towards the modules it is bonused to USE. If the Titan was not bonused to use 2 racial doomsdays, three addirional types of dds, capital nos and neuts as well as two phenomena generators we would not be having this discussion.
By your own math, the fleet hangar of the Molok is in size far exceeding the 'required' modules. By three times. No these modules are in ADDITION to an already near maxed fleet hangar on a regular Avatar. I know you Goons have zero clue how to use or refit capitals but please for sake of the rest of everyone else's sanity try and keep up.
The only person who appears to be losing sanity over this is you, friend. Take a breath.
It's okay if you can't fit every can of Quafe into your capital. Infinite tactical malleability isn't a right. It's something you have to make choices about. Do I really need a Shield Power Relay? Can I skip on the auto-targeter? Choices.
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Querns
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2803
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Posted - 2017.03.27 20:01:26 -
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Mr Rive wrote:From what I can tell his argument is thusly:
Why bother using a faction titan, when that faction titan can only fit the modules of one race of bonuses in its hull?
Effectively, you are saying 'here are the bonuses' but then negating that because the titan can only use one type of bonus without docking up to refit.
In essense, the extra DD bonuses are pointless.
Of course, it's still an advantage because the enemy won't know which DD you have fit until you fire it.
That being said, it does seem a bit pointless to have a ship which can only use one bonus at a time without docking. For the price, you might as well buy two titans with the same racial DD's, as you could just do the same effective thing with them.
You can use both of them, you just have to sacrifice some of your cargo space to do it. Seems fine to me.
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Querns
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2807
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Posted - 2017.03.27 20:09:22 -
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Tara Read wrote:Querns wrote:Tara Read wrote:Querns wrote:Tara Read wrote: It seems to me like you fail to comprehend that BECAUSE said Titan is bonused to use CAPITAL nos nuets dd's and generators it specifically needs to be able TO CARRY AND REFIT SAID MODULES. The cost of the Titan has little relevance in regards towards the modules it is bonused to USE. If the Titan was not bonused to use 2 racial doomsdays, three addirional types of dds, capital nos and neuts as well as two phenomena generators we would not be having this discussion.
By your own math, the fleet hangar of the Molok is in size far exceeding the 'required' modules. By three times. No these modules are in ADDITION to an already near maxed fleet hangar on a regular Avatar. I know you Goons have zero clue how to use or refit capitals but please for sake of the rest of everyone else's sanity try and keep up. The only person who appears to be losing sanity over this is you, friend. Take a breath. It's okay if you can't fit every can of Quafe into your capital. Infinite tactical malleability isn't a right. It's something you have to make choices about. Do I really need a Shield Power Relay? Can I skip on the auto-targeter? Choices. It's a crying shame your parents didn't have the choice to use protection because if they had maybe we wouldn't need to read such garbage opinions by those who will probably never even use this thing in actual combat. Choices right? I mean you can always rat in one like your bumble comrade in a Vendetta but for the rest of us id prefer to use the full capability of this Titan in a Pvp scenario.
Really, now. I think you'll be fine in a PVP scenario without all the projected ECCM and reactor control units you think you might need. You'll just have to make some choices.
The entitlement pile doesn't stop from getting taller around here.
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Querns
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2807
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Posted - 2017.03.27 20:13:20 -
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bob910 wrote:Are the corpses fuel for the dd and jumpdrive?
If they are, they better add that corpse tractor beam. Capital ships are way too slow to properly loot a battlefield.
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Querns
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2807
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Posted - 2017.03.27 20:14:30 -
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Tara Read wrote:Querns wrote:
Really, now. I think you'll be fine in a PVP scenario without all the projected ECCM and reactor control units you think you might need. You'll just have to make some choices.
The entitlement pile doesn't stop from getting taller around here.
Lol entitlement. No one is entitled to jack. Stop trying to convey functionality for entitlement just because YOU will never fly one.
The ship is plenty functional, and has adequate space. Cargohold limitations exist for a reason.
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Querns
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2810
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Posted - 2017.03.27 20:21:14 -
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Tara Read wrote:Querns wrote:Tara Read wrote:Querns wrote:
Really, now. I think you'll be fine in a PVP scenario without all the projected ECCM and reactor control units you think you might need. You'll just have to make some choices.
The entitlement pile doesn't stop from getting taller around here.
Lol entitlement. No one is entitled to jack. Stop trying to convey functionality for entitlement just because YOU will never fly one. The ship is plenty functional, and has adequate space. Cargohold limitations exist for a reason. Its not a cargo hold its a fleet hangar. Again because the ship is functional it needs space to carry the modules that MAKE it functional.
Splitting hairs.
The ship will function just fine without a jump freighter-sized fleet hangar. You may need to leave some stuff behind, however. This makes you a little more vulnerable in some situations, of course, but that's okay.
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Querns
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2810
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Posted - 2017.03.27 20:23:08 -
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Besides, just think -- if you can't carry as much in your fleet hangar, the total ISK value of your killmail will be lower. Perhaps if you optimize this well enough, you won't have to drop corp or unplug implants when you get caught doing something dumb.
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Querns
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2816
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Posted - 2017.03.27 23:05:31 -
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Tara Read wrote:Querns wrote:Besides, just think -- if you can't carry as much in your fleet hangar, the total ISK value of your killmail will be lower. Perhaps if you optimize this well enough, you won't have to drop corp or unplug implants when you get caught doing something dumb. That was almost as funny as imagining you with a helmet and mouth guard typing this to make a funny. Congratulations you get a Pap Link.
You seem awfully desperate to paint me as being subhuman. My question is, why go to the trouble? Surely the mellifluous, well-reasoned, not at all autistic screeching nature of your posting will stand alone, causing all who read to instinctively agree with you.
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Querns
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2816
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Posted - 2017.03.28 01:52:19 -
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Tuzy wrote:Tara Read wrote:[quote=Querns][quote=Tara Read][quote=Querns]
No you're entire groups posting history on this topic is stooped in blatant ignorance and stupidity. I've sat for hours coming up with particular refits, modules, squeezing every last drop of space out of a fleet hangar on a regular Avatar. And I am telling you in it's current state with bonuses to capital nos and neuts (meaning you'd usually have two fitted two stored) you are going to incure an increase of (wait for it) 8000 m3 due to having two of each type of NOS and Nuet. An additional 10,000 m3 due to having two racial phenomena generators, and another 5000 m3 of space for needing to carry an additional racial Doomsday. Then you need an additional 5000 m3 of empty space to refit.
That is a total of 28000 additional m3 needed MINIMUM to have the Moloks capability to refit for its bonuses in a combat situation. Engage your damn brain. Your shows possessive ownership. You're means "you are". Eh, cut him some slack. He was clearly flustered, and posting with turbulent emotions. Grammar and accuracy are the first to go.
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Querns
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2816
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Posted - 2017.03.28 02:41:45 -
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The poor Molok, cut down in its prime. No longer to dream of being a clown car, host to an innumerable number of clowns, it must relegate itself to a lesser fate. An ignoble fate. We weep bitter tears as we mourn its passing.
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Querns
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2816
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Posted - 2017.03.28 02:51:28 -
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I mean, you could use the corpse bay, but man, there's nothing that kills the mood faster than dead clowns. Yuck.
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Querns
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2825
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Posted - 2017.03.28 10:40:27 -
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Tara Read wrote: Unlike Goons we tend to deploy on the regular. You may have seen us a few times when you were evicted from the North? Or maybe when a certain Vendetta ate crow? What about the Rorquals almost on the daily that died to us? Naw of course not you were too busy sh@tposting here to defend your own space or your members.
Sure, but you guys didn't use titans for any of the ganks you did in Delve, and had access to keepstars in the north. Looks like you still had the option to refit them before entering combat.
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Querns
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2825
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Posted - 2017.03.28 10:42:39 -
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I mean, I get that at the rate that your alliance loses keepstars, it may be a bit of a sour bargain to rely on it, but that's life in Eve Online, noted space-themed spreadsheet.
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Querns
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2828
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Posted - 2017.03.28 12:51:25 -
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Or a personal keepstar. Having one is cheaper than a Molok.
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Querns
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2830
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Posted - 2017.03.28 16:24:40 -
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The poor corpse bay. *sniff* I'll miss your largeness, even if it was mechanically impossible to actually fill them.
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Querns
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2833
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Posted - 2017.03.28 23:00:47 -
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Mr Rive wrote:CCP Larrikin wrote:Hi Space Friends, please check the OP, some updates have been made! Update (2017-03-28 1610)- Added local repair bonus to Dagon
- Reduced Corpse bays for all
That is slightly better. Before, the dagon tanked less than an apostle, now it will likely local tank a little more. Myself and mukk ran the numbers for the dagon, and even with a full 8 low passive fit, the native resist bonus on the apostle means a 7 low passive fit on the apostle tanks significantly more. I still seriously think you're going to run into problems with cap. That cycle time bonus is going to kill it. I suggest looking at a ninazu with 2 remote reps running to see what I mean. It's also likely never going to be as practical in normal settings as a lif. Is there a particular reason you don't want to give it three bonuses per race? Let me put it this way, a PRACTICAL, full tank, full pimp lif tanks 160k dps unheated. This is going to tank MAYBE 120. I'm like 100% confident this isn't going to be used anywhere like what you intend it to be used for.
You're comparing an active shield tank to an active armor tank?
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Querns
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2835
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Posted - 2017.03.29 12:27:08 -
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CCP Larrikin wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:Any comment on the hangar size debate so we can put it to rest? Sure, we're happy with the existing fleet hanger size. Its the same as the Vanquisher. Fair.
A question to the thread as a whole; did we have this sort of, uh, "conversation" with the Serpentis capitals?
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Querns
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2836
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Posted - 2017.03.31 01:56:52 -
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Atomic Virulent wrote:It's funny. The replies to this are very telling. Before even reading any of them I thought to myself... "Wow, content for 3 groups. Goons, PL, and NC."
This is just documented proof. Nearly all comments are from those 3, almost like they know as well that they are sanctified by CCP.
Thanks CCP for providing content to 1% of the 1% of the 1% of those who keep your lights on.
Meanwhile, the rest of us will never see one on the field, much less have access to one. But we're ok being abused and harrassed out of the game by bulk-wardeccing bullies who ultimately have zero ambition in the game other than destroy the experience for as many as possible for giggles.
Well done yet again CCP, well done. You continue to amaze.
I mean, if you want one, just get one. You don't have to be in a specific alliance to own the shiny, as long as you have the ISK to pay for it. You sure as hell don't need to be in a specific alliance to get ISK.
Also, "bulk-wardeccing?" Is this some sort of tangent or something? We don't wardec folks -- suicide ganking is our forte.
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