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Aramendel Amarr Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.05.04 22:16:00 - [31] Originally by: Dominique Vasilkovsky All that really happened is that your GTC trading got nerfed as people will buy game time directly from CCP for their ISK. Which kinda makes no sense. Sure, they are making a money sink that way, but I think they could do that easier than by loosing a noticeable part of their income.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.05.04 22:17:00 - [32] Epic win - You keep using that word . . . I do not think it means what you think it means
Jenny Spitfire Caldari Requiem of Hades Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.04 22:18:00 - [33] Originally by: Akita T Originally by: Jenny Spitfire I think K is saying, sales of GTCs for ISKs are allowed provided they are all done through Account Management. Any sale conducted otherwise will be banned. I certainly hope that's what he's saying, the other interpretation would mean CCP losing a lot of potential income. I believe that is what K is saying. Like I said, either I can't read or I am dumb. Likewise for the community. Maybe less griefing and more reading classes. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Kali is for KArebearLIng. I 100% agree with Avon. Female EVE gamers? Mail Zajo or visit WGOE.Public in-game.
Fubear Vogon Heavy Industries	Posted - 2007.05.04 22:19:00 - [34] I am having serious trouble understanding this decision, providing GTC for ISK without a middleman doesn't make any money. Currently every GTC bought with ISK was purchased by someone with real money and the profit goes to CCP. The system proposed here CCP is not going to get paid in anything but ISK, which is completely worthless. I don't know how many accounts are paid for with GTC, but I expect CCP will lose 20-30% of their revenue stream (not users)simply because they will not be getting paid for the ISK-GTC transactions any more. How is the company going to cope with the reduced income... are we going to see less new content, less bugs fixed, or fewer GMs answering petions in the future?
Briana Flametop	Posted - 2007.05.04 22:21:00 - [35] Let me see if I've got this right: Pay subs for a couple of months until you get a character to self-sufficiency. Farm ISK. Buy timecard direct from CCP with said ISK. Repeat. Never have to pay a subscription fee again. ...what am I missing here?
Frug Zenithal Harvest	Posted - 2007.05.04 22:22:00 - [36] I think it's great that ISK to game time is continuing. I worry about the effect that will have on CCP however. You guys know what you're doing I hope. From this perspective though, it looks awesome. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War	Posted - 2007.05.04 22:22:00 - [37] Edited by: Plutoinum on 04/05/2007 22:21:48 Originally by: Aramendel Originally by: Dominique Vasilkovsky All that really happened is that your GTC trading got nerfed as people will buy game time directly from CCP for their ISK. Which kinda makes no sense. Sure, they are making a money sink that way, but I think they could do that easier than by loosing a noticeable part of their income. They can act as a broker. Buy isk for gametime, sell isk for cash. ( edit Which would do the same thing like now, except that there are no resellers and that they can make profit with it depending on their exchange rates. ) ___________ Muuuhhh !!!
Sugarphobia	Posted - 2007.05.04 22:29:00 - [38] If I cannot spend $15 every couple of months to replace my HAC or battleship I will quit this game and resign my three accounts. I don't see how bleeding a game of experienced players who would rather not rat/mine is "good for the community" in any sense. The main draw of this game is that people can play is as casually or as 'intimately' as they want, and if you remove the only option for a casual player to buy his battleships, HACs or other ships then you cut them entirely out of the game and force them to move on. This change helps nobody except the established players with billions of ISK.
Athena Attom	Posted - 2007.05.04 22:33:00 - [39] Originally by: Sugarphobia If I cannot spend $15 every couple of months to replace my HAC or battleship I will quit this game and resign my three accounts. I don't see how bleeding a game of experienced players who would rather not rat/mine is "good for the community" in any sense. The main draw of this game is that people can play is as casually or as 'intimately' as they want, and if you remove the only option for a casual player to buy his battleships, HACs or other ships then you cut them entirely out of the game and force them to move on. This change helps nobody except the established players with billions of ISK. Exactly why this should be stopped, its an unfair advantage in the game, if you cant play the game its intended and buy what you like with the tools you have its either the wrong game for you, or your not playing the game " correctly " Relying on your RL cash funding your character for pvp etc is unfair to those who cannot afford or will not stoop to that level. fix it dont nerf it.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.05.04 22:33:00 - [40] Originally by: Sugarphobia If I cannot spend $15 every couple of months to replace my HAC or battleship I will quit this game and resign my three accounts. I don't see how bleeding a game of experienced players who would rather not rat/mine is "good for the community" in any sense. The main draw of this game is that people can play is as casually or as 'intimately' as they want, and if you remove the only option for a casual player to buy his battleships, HACs or other ships then you cut them entirely out of the game and force them to move on. This change helps nobody except the established players with billions of ISK. If this truly stops what you describe, it goes beyond epic win. - You keep using that word . . . I do not think it means what you think it means
Team Chk Caldari	Posted - 2007.05.04 22:35:00 - [41] Taking this action WITHOUT removing T2 BPO's as well would be pretty bloody stupid. Level the playing field CCP, but do it properly.
Arushia Nova Labs Empire Research	Posted - 2007.05.04 22:35:00 - [42] Originally by: Sugarphobia If I cannot spend $15 every couple of months to replace my HAC or battleship I will quit this game and resign my three accounts. I don't see how bleeding a game of experienced players who would rather not rat/mine is "good for the community" in any sense. The main draw of this game is that people can play is as casually or as 'intimately' as they want, and if you remove the only option for a casual player to buy his battleships, HACs or other ships then you cut them entirely out of the game and force them to move on. This change helps nobody except the established players with billions of ISK. Rule 1 of EVE: Don't fly what you can't afford to lose. If you cannot afford to replace HACs and Battleships, maybe you should be flying Cruisers and Battlecruisers. Nova Labs and Empire Research
Sugarphobia	Posted - 2007.05.04 22:36:00 - [43] Edited by: Sugarphobia on 04/05/2007 22:32:53 Originally by: Athena Attom Exactly why this should be stopped, its an unfair advantage in the game, if you cant play the game its intended and buy what you like with the tools you have its either the wrong game for you, or your not playing the game " correctly " Relying on your RL cash funding your character for pvp etc is unfair to those who cannot afford or will not stoop to that level. Yes, forcing a large, huge percentage of the player base out of the game is clearly the best course of action for a game with such a low (in comparison to WoW) subscriber rate. Lets force out all of the weekend warriors, because clearly if you don't spending five hours a day ratting/mining you don't deserve to play EVE!
Pelendava	Posted - 2007.05.04 22:36:00 - [44] Is there any chance we could get clarification from someone who has better communication skills than Kieron? Instead of having a dozen follow-up posts starting with "I believe Kieron's saying that..." we'd all be in the know and that would be a hell of a lot better than farting around trying to decipher what he's talking about.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.05.04 22:39:00 - [45] Originally by: Sugarphobia Edited by: Sugarphobia on 04/05/2007 22:32:53 Originally by: Athena Attom Exactly why this should be stopped, its an unfair advantage in the game, if you cant play the game its intended and buy what you like with the tools you have its either the wrong game for you, or your not playing the game " correctly " Relying on your RL cash funding your character for pvp etc is unfair to those who cannot afford or will not stoop to that level. Yes, forcing a large, huge percentage of the player base out of the game is clearly the best course of action for a game with such a low (in comparison to WoW) subscriber rate. Lets force out all of the weekend warriors, because clearly if you don't spending five hours a day ratting/mining you don't deserve to play EVE! If you have to rat/mine to make money you don't deserve to play Eve. If you want the shiny toys but don't want to work for them, you don't deserve to play Eve. (WTB: Image of crying child demanding expensive toys) - You keep using that word . . . I do not think it means what you think it means
Black Atom Confederation of Red Moon Red Moon Federation	Posted - 2007.05.04 22:40:00 - [46] Originally by: Pelendava Is there any chance we could get clarification from someone who has better communication skills than Kieron? Instead of having a dozen follow-up posts starting with "I believe Kieron's saying that..." we'd all be in the know and that would be a hell of a lot better than farting around trying to decipher what he's talking about. I concur, Kieron wasn't clear at all and this is an issue that really needs to be made very very clear. Isk for GTC's no is longer allowed! But it is allowed! is not clear :p
Ridin durty	Posted - 2007.05.04 22:41:00 - [47] WHAT DOES THIS MEAN?? seriously, are you just removing the ability for players to sell GTC's for ISK or what
Templer Relleg Exit 13 Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.05.04 22:41:00 - [48] Originally by: Pelendava Is there any chance we could get clarification from someone who has better communication skills than Kieron? Instead of having a dozen follow-up posts starting with "I believe Kieron's saying that..." we'd all be in the know and that would be a hell of a lot better than farting around trying to decipher what he's talking about. Yes please. I wonder whats gonna happen. Because if CCP sell GTC for isk, then they will control the price - NOT the users! 90 days for 600mill? I wouldnt be suprised.. Please dont do this CCP
M Counts Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.05.04 22:43:00 - [49] Edited by: M Counts on 04/05/2007 22:40:11 Originally by: CCP kieron That is unavoidable, but the change being worked on is for the greater good of the community. would you mind explaining why, exactly, elimination of the "middleman" (and further complication of the already byzantine and horribly slow account management page) is "for the good of the community?" loaded question but I still get my point across, i still have not seen any concise logic as to why this is for the "good of the community," especially seeing as the last change to gtc mechanics caused only inconvenience. -----
Craam Hustler Gallente ReTech	Posted - 2007.05.04 22:43:00 - [50] Originally by: Templer Relleg Originally by: Pelendava Is there any chance we could get clarification from someone who has better communication skills than Kieron? Instead of having a dozen follow-up posts starting with "I believe Kieron's saying that..." we'd all be in the know and that would be a hell of a lot better than farting around trying to decipher what he's talking about. Yes please. I wonder whats gonna happen. Because if CCP sell GTC for isk, then they will control the price - NOT the users! 90 days for 600mill? I wouldnt be suprised.. Please dont do this CCP ISK Sink FTW. Deflation F T W!
Mox Trident Minmatar Erimus Blueprints	Posted - 2007.05.04 22:47:00 - [51] This is my take on it (but i'm as confused as everyone else at the moment!).... Player A buys GTC from CCP. Player A is given 2 options upon purchasing the GTC... 1. either use the GTC himself or 2. through account management he can sell it to Player B for ISK. Once player B buys a GTC from player A the GTC is automatically added to his subscription time. This prevents player B from reselling the GTC for RL cash out of game. Whichever way it works you can gurantee CCP gets the RL cash one way or the other! Capital Ship BPC packages now available from Erimus Blueprints
Sugarphobia	Posted - 2007.05.04 22:47:00 - [52] Originally by: Crumplecorn If you have to rat/mine to make money you don't deserve to play Eve. If you want the shiny toys but don't want to work for them, you don't deserve to play Eve. (WTB: Image of crying child demanding expensive toys) WTB: Image of troll.

Rauth Kivaro Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2007.05.04 22:49:00 - [53] Kieron has posted an updated thread to discuss this issue. Please move the conversation there so we can keep it in one place. Thanks! clicky Rauth Kivaro, CRC, A division of ISD

Briana Flametop	Posted - 2007.05.04 22:50:00 - [54] Somewhere, the Overlord of Macrominers is rubbing his hands together with glee. CCP charges $15 or (random made-up figure) 250mil ISK for a timecard? Fine. The ISK-farmers will charge $15 for 275mil isk. Players buy from them and then use the isk for buying a timecard as it is (effectively) cheaper than buying direct from CCP as they're paying the same amount of RL cash but get some extra isk on top. Everybody wins...except CCP and non-macrominers.
Argenton Sayvers	Posted - 2007.05.04 22:54:00 - [55] Heh. First of Kieron's posts got me confused. Second post basically means that you now officially condone rich people buying their dreads, hacs, 40m SP characters and t2 BPOs with real cash, as long as you get a bigger cut, eliminating the possibility of selling ISK for $ with your consent through a loophole. Everything else would have been suicide anyway. Drugs are bad, unless you buy your drugs from the government ...

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