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Athena Attom	Posted - 2007.05.04 18:01:00 - [1] Just interested to know what the current MOTD is referring to: Are you saying " anyone caught buying / selling isk from this point on will be banned via the EULA " or " we have just banned a load of people for buying / selling isk and you have been warned! " Maybe something is being done about the macro miners selling isk on ebay etc.. finally! fix it dont nerf it.
Marquis Dean Energy.	Posted - 2007.05.04 18:05:00 - [2] Originally by: Athena Attom Maybe something is being done about the macro miners selling isk on ebay etc.. finally! Yep... and this is it. A little message that I only noticed the third time I logged in today. --- Originally by: Tista i dont like you much but i'm going to agree with you on that.
Yakumo Smith Gallente The Forsakened Companions	Posted - 2007.05.04 21:00:00 - [3] As you say sounds like a pre-emptive. Makes it harder for buyers to hide behind the "I didn't know, honest guv'nor" defence.
Blind Man Kemono.	Posted - 2007.05.04 21:05:00 - [4] I find it kinda funny that they put something like that in the MOTD yet they continue to make and encourage GTC selling with the new secure system
Dahak2150 Chaos Monkeys	Posted - 2007.05.04 21:19:00 - [5] But BM, this is CCP. How dare you insist on consistency!? ---------------- If you're on IE, pretend this is transparent while you get a browser that supports .png.
Frobbe Gallente Conisor Excavations Syndicate Antagonistic Assembly	Posted - 2007.05.04 21:26:00 - [6] Originally by: Blind Man I find it kinda funny that they put something like that in the MOTD yet they continue to make and encourage GTC selling with the new secure system This, of course, only holds true when you fail to consider that isk farmers selling isk for money introduce more isk to the economy, versus GTC sales that both pays CCP and only relocates ISK from one player to another ------------------------------------------------ there used to be a cool killboard signature here, but someone at CCP got angry at a 1000 extra bytes

CCP kieron	Posted - 2007.05.04 21:33:00 - [7] Originally by: Athena Attom Just interested to know what the current MOTD is referring to: Are you saying " anyone caught buying / selling isk from this point on will be banned via the EULA " or " we have just banned a load of people for buying / selling isk and you have been warned! " Athena, you beat me to the punch, I was going to start a thread about the MotD. As for your question, some of the former, some of the latter. In regards to the comments about ISK for GTCs for Cash, we are putting the final touches on a billing solution that will replace the ISK/GTC/Cash system. Game time for ISK will no longer be a supported option and phased out. kieron Community Manager, EVE Online

Craam Hustler Gallente ReTech	Posted - 2007.05.04 21:44:00 - [8] Originally by: CCP kieron Originally by: Athena Attom Just interested to know what the current MOTD is referring to: Are you saying " anyone caught buying / selling isk from this point on will be banned via the EULA " or " we have just banned a load of people for buying / selling isk and you have been warned! " Athena, you beat me to the punch, I was going to start a thread about the MotD. As for your question, some of the former, some of the latter. In regards to the comments about ISK for GTCs for Cash, we are putting the final touches on a billing solution that will replace the ISK/GTC/Cash system. Game time for ISK will no longer be a supported option and phased out. I love you. No really, I do. ---
Gladia Horusthu Gallente Anything Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.04 21:44:00 - [9] Originally by: CCP kieron Originally by: Athena Attom Just interested to know what the current MOTD is referring to: Are you saying " anyone caught buying / selling isk from this point on will be banned via the EULA " or " we have just banned a load of people for buying / selling isk and you have been warned! " Athena, you beat me to the punch, I was going to start a thread about the MotD. As for your question, some of the former, some of the latter. In regards to the comments about ISK for GTCs for Cash, we are putting the final touches on a billing solution that will replace the ISK/GTC/Cash system. Game time for ISK will no longer be a supported option and phased out. I know some of it had to do with players in some areas of the world unable to use normal banking mechanisms. Glad to see that a fix is in the works. Unfortunately any solution that kills the ISK for game time will also reduce the game population by eliminating those who can't afford to keep their extra accounts open, and the younger set who were depending on GTC for ISK because their parents won't pay for the game. But then I suppose that decisions on what most negatively affects the game must be what is acted upon.
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Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.05.04 21:47:00 - [11] Originally by: CCP kieron Game time for ISK will no longer be a supported option and phased out. That's actually quite sad. The number of people I know that keep playing just because they can trade some of their ISK for gametime is not negligible... for instance, people with heavy ISK reserves but not a lot of "online time" lately. Less people with active accounts means less money for CCP, no matter how you put it, so where's the benefit for CCP ? As for ISK farmers, they're certainly not interested in gametime (and no, I don't mean necessarily game time codes, just actual gametime), they're only interested in real life money. If you enforce a "GTC sales only through secure trade system" rule, there's no way ISK farmers could benefit from GTC trades at all. I'm sorry to say this, but I fail to see any benefits whatsoever, and I do see some drawbacks. So, what's the point ? _ MySkills \| Module/Rig stacknerfing explained
Athena Attom	Posted - 2007.05.04 21:48:00 - [12] Thank you very much for your response. fix it dont nerf it.
Athena Attom	Posted - 2007.05.04 21:49:00 - [13] Originally by: Akita T Originally by: CCP kieron Game time for ISK will no longer be a supported option and phased out. That's actually quite sad. The number of people I know that keep playing just because they can trade some of their ISK for gametime is not negligible... for instance, people with heavy ISK reserves but not a lot of "online time" lately. Less people with active accounts means less money for CCP, no matter how you put it, so where's the benefit for CCP ? As for ISK farmers, they're certainly not interested in gametime (and no, I don't mean necessarily game time codes, just actual gametime), they're only interested in real life money. If you enforce a "GTC sales only through secure trade system" rule, there's no way ISK farmers could benefit from GTC trades at all. I'm sorry to say this, but I fail to see any benefits whatsoever, and I do see some drawbacks. So, what's the point ? Instead you have entire alliances being structured around and funded by the use of GTC's... fix it dont nerf it.
Gladia Horusthu Gallente Anything Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.04 21:52:00 - [14] Originally by: Akita T Originally by: CCP kieron Game time for ISK will no longer be a supported option and phased out. That's actually quite sad. The number of people I know that keep playing just because they can trade some of their ISK for gametime is not negligible... for instance, people with heavy ISK reserves but not a lot of "online time" lately. Less people with active accounts means less money for CCP, no matter how you put it, so where's the benefit for CCP ? As for ISK farmers, they're certainly not interested in gametime (and no, I don't mean necessarily game time codes, just actual gametime), they're only interested in real life money. If you enforce a "GTC sales only through secure trade system" rule, there's no way ISK farmers could benefit from GTC trades at all. I'm sorry to say this, but I fail to see any benefits whatsoever, and I do see some drawbacks. So, what's the point ? I think that the point is to stop the concentration of ISK in the hands of those with lots of spare cash, and to prevent alliances from stockpiling massive resources by selling GTCs for ISK. Instead, the value of members will be directly determined by their in-game time contributions.
Xrak Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.04 21:53:00 - [15] Things just happened in my pants after reading that kieron! Woot Woot! Sig stolen from Tekka. Evemail him for details about free sigs. <3

CCP kieron	Posted - 2007.05.04 21:53:00 - [16] Originally by: Gladia Horusthu I know some of it had to do with players in some areas of the world unable to use normal banking mechanisms. Glad to see that a fix is in the works. Unfortunately any solution that kills the ISK for game time will also reduce the game population by eliminating those who can't afford to keep their extra accounts open, and the younger set who were depending on GTC for ISK because their parents won't pay for the game. But then I suppose that decisions on what most negatively affects the game must be what is acted upon. Some clarification is in order, I left out some important parts of the system. Game Time for ISK will still be a legit transaction, but a transaction that will take place within Account Management. There will not be a middleman purchasing GTCs for resale for ISK. As with any major change, there will be unhappiness and some members of the community will go on to another game. That is unavoidable, but the change being worked on is for the greater good of the community. kieron Community Manager, EVE Online

Janu Hull Caldari Order of Z Industries	Posted - 2007.05.04 21:56:00 - [17] Now that's a slightly different particle spin... So you eliminate the avenue for ISKies for cash, and leave in place the avenue for gametime bought with ISK. Instead of an ISK transfer, it becomes a pure ISK sink. Nifty. This is my sig, there are many others just like it. With me, my sig is worthless. Without (or with even) my sig, I am worthless...
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.05.04 21:58:00 - [18] Originally by: Athena Attom Instead you have entire alliances being structured around and funded by the use of GTC's... If they want to waste their real-life money so that me or my friends can give them fictional money we would have no use for anyway if we ceased subscription time... I don't see a problem. They'd get those ISK from somewhere else anyway if GTCs could no longer be officially traded for ISK. And it would be actually much worse that other way around, lining some sweatshop farmer's pockets. Just because RMT is against the EULA and some people are punished for it, you don't have to be so naive and assume all RMTs are caught and punished. _ MySkills \| Module/Rig stacknerfing explained
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.05.04 22:01:00 - [19] Edited by: Akita T on 04/05/2007 22:05:49 Originally by: CCP kieron Some clarification is in order, I left out some important parts of the system. Game Time for ISK will still be a legit transaction, but a transaction that will take place within Account Management. There will not be a middleman purchasing GTCs for resale for ISK. You mean, as in "Sell X days of my current remaining gametime for Y ISK to character Z" ? Or do you mean simply "Buy 30 days gametime with 150.000.000,00 ISK" ? _ MySkills \| Module/Rig stacknerfing explained
Kazuo Ishiguro	Posted - 2007.05.04 22:01:00 - [20] I'm confused - if there's no middleman, does that mean CCP is selling GTCs for isk? ------ Spreadsheets: Top speed calculation - Halo Implant tanking
Xrak Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.04 22:02:00 - [21] Hmm CCP is losing out from the new plan as they are making any money from it. Interesting. Sig stolen from Tekka. Evemail him for details about free sigs. <3
Dominique Vasilkovsky Techmart Industries	Posted - 2007.05.04 22:04:00 - [22] Edited by: Dominique Vasilkovsky on 04/05/2007 22:01:23 Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro I'm confused - if there's no middleman, does that mean CCP is selling GTCs for isk? How I read it: You buy game time for ISK but you can't covert GTCs to ISK. Now that will be a kick ass ISK sink. Originally by: Xrak Hmm CCP is losing out from the new plan as they are making any money from it. Interesting. It is nice to see CCP rather have a sane in-game economy than some extra $$ tbh. snipnot needed - hutch
darkdev2	Posted - 2007.05.04 22:04:00 - [23] Originally by: CCP kieron Originally by: Athena Attom Just interested to know what the current MOTD is referring to: Are you saying " anyone caught buying / selling isk from this point on will be banned via the EULA " or " we have just banned a load of people for buying / selling isk and you have been warned! " Athena, you beat me to the punch, I was going to start a thread about the MotD. As for your question, some of the former, some of the latter. In regards to the comments about ISK for GTCs for Cash, we are putting the final touches on a billing solution that will replace the ISK/GTC/Cash system. Game time for ISK will no longer be a supported option and phased out. well that just sucks thx for that
Amber Leonne Gallente New Eden Technical Institutes	Posted - 2007.05.04 22:06:00 - [24] Originally by: Frobbe Originally by: Blind Man I find it kinda funny that they put something like that in the MOTD yet they continue to make and encourage GTC selling with the new secure system This, of course, only holds true when you fail to consider that isk farmers selling isk for money introduce more isk to the economy, versus GTC sales that both pays CCP and only relocates ISK from one player to another And also allows the player that can't afford an MMO subscription to be able to play EVE still Nods. Half of GTCs helps someone in need, other half helps someone in want. Isk selling helps someone in want & further still in greed as none of it's routed through the community beneficially.
Craam Hustler Gallente ReTech	Posted - 2007.05.04 22:07:00 - [25] Edited by: Craam Hustler on 04/05/2007 22:04:00 Originally by: CCP kieron Game Time for ISK will still be a legit transaction, but a transaction that will take place within Account Management. There will not be a middleman purchasing GTCs for resale for ISK. I want to have your babies. And no, there is NO sarcasm in my posts at all! I am happy about this change.
Countess Amarra	Posted - 2007.05.04 22:09:00 - [26] Maybe like a GTC resovoir, or bank, people buy time, sell to ccp for isk and ccp look after it through account management. GTC for isk will still be available until the current stock of 'iskified' timecodes run out? Maybe lol still confused tho
Teesa Ill Tempered Bus Drivers	Posted - 2007.05.04 22:10:00 - [27] Banning ISK sellers is great. But due to CCP's past bias towards one alliance over all others, I can't help to think that there is a bias in which accounts were banned. We know in the past that CCP didn't ban a player who posted personal info public in one case but did in others. If CCP didn't play favorites, great. But ISK selling will only get worse until static 10/10's and T2 BPOs are removed from the game.
Xrak Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.04 22:14:00 - [28] I forsee this thread being lock and a full explainination being posted/stickied. Sig stolen from Tekka. Evemail him for details about free sigs. <3
Dominique Vasilkovsky Techmart Industries	Posted - 2007.05.04 22:14:00 - [29] Originally by: Amber Leonne And also allows the player that can't afford an MMO subscription to be able to play EVE still Nods. Half of GTCs helps someone in need, other half helps someone in want. All that really happened is that your GTC trading got nerfed as people will buy game time directly from CCP for their ISK. snipnot needed - hutch
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.05.04 22:16:00 - [30] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire I think K is saying, sales of GTCs for ISKs are allowed provided they are all done through Account Management. Any sale conducted otherwise will be banned. I certainly hope that's what he's saying, the other interpretation would mean CCP losing a lot of potential income. _ MySkills \| Module/Rig stacknerfing explained
Aramendel Amarr Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.05.04 22:16:00 - [31] Originally by: Dominique Vasilkovsky All that really happened is that your GTC trading got nerfed as people will buy game time directly from CCP for their ISK. Which kinda makes no sense. Sure, they are making a money sink that way, but I think they could do that easier than by loosing a noticeable part of their income.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.05.04 22:17:00 - [32] Epic win - You keep using that word . . . I do not think it means what you think it means
Jenny Spitfire Caldari Requiem of Hades Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.04 22:18:00 - [33] Originally by: Akita T Originally by: Jenny Spitfire I think K is saying, sales of GTCs for ISKs are allowed provided they are all done through Account Management. Any sale conducted otherwise will be banned. I certainly hope that's what he's saying, the other interpretation would mean CCP losing a lot of potential income. I believe that is what K is saying. Like I said, either I can't read or I am dumb. Likewise for the community. Maybe less griefing and more reading classes. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Kali is for KArebearLIng. I 100% agree with Avon. Female EVE gamers? Mail Zajo or visit WGOE.Public in-game.
Fubear Vogon Heavy Industries	Posted - 2007.05.04 22:19:00 - [34] I am having serious trouble understanding this decision, providing GTC for ISK without a middleman doesn't make any money. Currently every GTC bought with ISK was purchased by someone with real money and the profit goes to CCP. The system proposed here CCP is not going to get paid in anything but ISK, which is completely worthless. I don't know how many accounts are paid for with GTC, but I expect CCP will lose 20-30% of their revenue stream (not users)simply because they will not be getting paid for the ISK-GTC transactions any more. How is the company going to cope with the reduced income... are we going to see less new content, less bugs fixed, or fewer GMs answering petions in the future?
Briana Flametop	Posted - 2007.05.04 22:21:00 - [35] Let me see if I've got this right: Pay subs for a couple of months until you get a character to self-sufficiency. Farm ISK. Buy timecard direct from CCP with said ISK. Repeat. Never have to pay a subscription fee again. ...what am I missing here?
Frug Zenithal Harvest	Posted - 2007.05.04 22:22:00 - [36] I think it's great that ISK to game time is continuing. I worry about the effect that will have on CCP however. You guys know what you're doing I hope. From this perspective though, it looks awesome. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War	Posted - 2007.05.04 22:22:00 - [37] Edited by: Plutoinum on 04/05/2007 22:21:48 Originally by: Aramendel Originally by: Dominique Vasilkovsky All that really happened is that your GTC trading got nerfed as people will buy game time directly from CCP for their ISK. Which kinda makes no sense. Sure, they are making a money sink that way, but I think they could do that easier than by loosing a noticeable part of their income. They can act as a broker. Buy isk for gametime, sell isk for cash. ( edit Which would do the same thing like now, except that there are no resellers and that they can make profit with it depending on their exchange rates. ) ___________ Muuuhhh !!!
Sugarphobia	Posted - 2007.05.04 22:29:00 - [38] If I cannot spend $15 every couple of months to replace my HAC or battleship I will quit this game and resign my three accounts. I don't see how bleeding a game of experienced players who would rather not rat/mine is "good for the community" in any sense. The main draw of this game is that people can play is as casually or as 'intimately' as they want, and if you remove the only option for a casual player to buy his battleships, HACs or other ships then you cut them entirely out of the game and force them to move on. This change helps nobody except the established players with billions of ISK.
Athena Attom	Posted - 2007.05.04 22:33:00 - [39] Originally by: Sugarphobia If I cannot spend $15 every couple of months to replace my HAC or battleship I will quit this game and resign my three accounts. I don't see how bleeding a game of experienced players who would rather not rat/mine is "good for the community" in any sense. The main draw of this game is that people can play is as casually or as 'intimately' as they want, and if you remove the only option for a casual player to buy his battleships, HACs or other ships then you cut them entirely out of the game and force them to move on. This change helps nobody except the established players with billions of ISK. Exactly why this should be stopped, its an unfair advantage in the game, if you cant play the game its intended and buy what you like with the tools you have its either the wrong game for you, or your not playing the game " correctly " Relying on your RL cash funding your character for pvp etc is unfair to those who cannot afford or will not stoop to that level. fix it dont nerf it.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.05.04 22:33:00 - [40] Originally by: Sugarphobia If I cannot spend $15 every couple of months to replace my HAC or battleship I will quit this game and resign my three accounts. I don't see how bleeding a game of experienced players who would rather not rat/mine is "good for the community" in any sense. The main draw of this game is that people can play is as casually or as 'intimately' as they want, and if you remove the only option for a casual player to buy his battleships, HACs or other ships then you cut them entirely out of the game and force them to move on. This change helps nobody except the established players with billions of ISK. If this truly stops what you describe, it goes beyond epic win. - You keep using that word . . . I do not think it means what you think it means
Team Chk Caldari	Posted - 2007.05.04 22:35:00 - [41] Taking this action WITHOUT removing T2 BPO's as well would be pretty bloody stupid. Level the playing field CCP, but do it properly.
Arushia Nova Labs Empire Research	Posted - 2007.05.04 22:35:00 - [42] Originally by: Sugarphobia If I cannot spend $15 every couple of months to replace my HAC or battleship I will quit this game and resign my three accounts. I don't see how bleeding a game of experienced players who would rather not rat/mine is "good for the community" in any sense. The main draw of this game is that people can play is as casually or as 'intimately' as they want, and if you remove the only option for a casual player to buy his battleships, HACs or other ships then you cut them entirely out of the game and force them to move on. This change helps nobody except the established players with billions of ISK. Rule 1 of EVE: Don't fly what you can't afford to lose. If you cannot afford to replace HACs and Battleships, maybe you should be flying Cruisers and Battlecruisers. Nova Labs and Empire Research
Sugarphobia	Posted - 2007.05.04 22:36:00 - [43] Edited by: Sugarphobia on 04/05/2007 22:32:53 Originally by: Athena Attom Exactly why this should be stopped, its an unfair advantage in the game, if you cant play the game its intended and buy what you like with the tools you have its either the wrong game for you, or your not playing the game " correctly " Relying on your RL cash funding your character for pvp etc is unfair to those who cannot afford or will not stoop to that level. Yes, forcing a large, huge percentage of the player base out of the game is clearly the best course of action for a game with such a low (in comparison to WoW) subscriber rate. Lets force out all of the weekend warriors, because clearly if you don't spending five hours a day ratting/mining you don't deserve to play EVE!
Pelendava	Posted - 2007.05.04 22:36:00 - [44] Is there any chance we could get clarification from someone who has better communication skills than Kieron? Instead of having a dozen follow-up posts starting with "I believe Kieron's saying that..." we'd all be in the know and that would be a hell of a lot better than farting around trying to decipher what he's talking about.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.05.04 22:39:00 - [45] Originally by: Sugarphobia Edited by: Sugarphobia on 04/05/2007 22:32:53 Originally by: Athena Attom Exactly why this should be stopped, its an unfair advantage in the game, if you cant play the game its intended and buy what you like with the tools you have its either the wrong game for you, or your not playing the game " correctly " Relying on your RL cash funding your character for pvp etc is unfair to those who cannot afford or will not stoop to that level. Yes, forcing a large, huge percentage of the player base out of the game is clearly the best course of action for a game with such a low (in comparison to WoW) subscriber rate. Lets force out all of the weekend warriors, because clearly if you don't spending five hours a day ratting/mining you don't deserve to play EVE! If you have to rat/mine to make money you don't deserve to play Eve. If you want the shiny toys but don't want to work for them, you don't deserve to play Eve. (WTB: Image of crying child demanding expensive toys) - You keep using that word . . . I do not think it means what you think it means
Black Atom Confederation of Red Moon Red Moon Federation	Posted - 2007.05.04 22:40:00 - [46] Originally by: Pelendava Is there any chance we could get clarification from someone who has better communication skills than Kieron? Instead of having a dozen follow-up posts starting with "I believe Kieron's saying that..." we'd all be in the know and that would be a hell of a lot better than farting around trying to decipher what he's talking about. I concur, Kieron wasn't clear at all and this is an issue that really needs to be made very very clear. Isk for GTC's no is longer allowed! But it is allowed! is not clear :p
Ridin durty	Posted - 2007.05.04 22:41:00 - [47] WHAT DOES THIS MEAN?? seriously, are you just removing the ability for players to sell GTC's for ISK or what
Templer Relleg Exit 13 Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.05.04 22:41:00 - [48] Originally by: Pelendava Is there any chance we could get clarification from someone who has better communication skills than Kieron? Instead of having a dozen follow-up posts starting with "I believe Kieron's saying that..." we'd all be in the know and that would be a hell of a lot better than farting around trying to decipher what he's talking about. Yes please. I wonder whats gonna happen. Because if CCP sell GTC for isk, then they will control the price - NOT the users! 90 days for 600mill? I wouldnt be suprised.. Please dont do this CCP
M Counts Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.05.04 22:43:00 - [49] Edited by: M Counts on 04/05/2007 22:40:11 Originally by: CCP kieron That is unavoidable, but the change being worked on is for the greater good of the community. would you mind explaining why, exactly, elimination of the "middleman" (and further complication of the already byzantine and horribly slow account management page) is "for the good of the community?" loaded question but I still get my point across, i still have not seen any concise logic as to why this is for the "good of the community," especially seeing as the last change to gtc mechanics caused only inconvenience. -----
Craam Hustler Gallente ReTech	Posted - 2007.05.04 22:43:00 - [50] Originally by: Templer Relleg Originally by: Pelendava Is there any chance we could get clarification from someone who has better communication skills than Kieron? Instead of having a dozen follow-up posts starting with "I believe Kieron's saying that..." we'd all be in the know and that would be a hell of a lot better than farting around trying to decipher what he's talking about. Yes please. I wonder whats gonna happen. Because if CCP sell GTC for isk, then they will control the price - NOT the users! 90 days for 600mill? I wouldnt be suprised.. Please dont do this CCP ISK Sink FTW. Deflation F T W!
Mox Trident Minmatar Erimus Blueprints	Posted - 2007.05.04 22:47:00 - [51] This is my take on it (but i'm as confused as everyone else at the moment!).... Player A buys GTC from CCP. Player A is given 2 options upon purchasing the GTC... 1. either use the GTC himself or 2. through account management he can sell it to Player B for ISK. Once player B buys a GTC from player A the GTC is automatically added to his subscription time. This prevents player B from reselling the GTC for RL cash out of game. Whichever way it works you can gurantee CCP gets the RL cash one way or the other! Capital Ship BPC packages now available from Erimus Blueprints
Sugarphobia	Posted - 2007.05.04 22:47:00 - [52] Originally by: Crumplecorn If you have to rat/mine to make money you don't deserve to play Eve. If you want the shiny toys but don't want to work for them, you don't deserve to play Eve. (WTB: Image of crying child demanding expensive toys) WTB: Image of troll.

Rauth Kivaro Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2007.05.04 22:49:00 - [53] Kieron has posted an updated thread to discuss this issue. Please move the conversation there so we can keep it in one place. Thanks! clicky Rauth Kivaro, CRC, A division of ISD

Briana Flametop	Posted - 2007.05.04 22:50:00 - [54] Somewhere, the Overlord of Macrominers is rubbing his hands together with glee. CCP charges $15 or (random made-up figure) 250mil ISK for a timecard? Fine. The ISK-farmers will charge $15 for 275mil isk. Players buy from them and then use the isk for buying a timecard as it is (effectively) cheaper than buying direct from CCP as they're paying the same amount of RL cash but get some extra isk on top. Everybody wins...except CCP and non-macrominers.
Argenton Sayvers	Posted - 2007.05.04 22:54:00 - [55] Heh. First of Kieron's posts got me confused. Second post basically means that you now officially condone rich people buying their dreads, hacs, 40m SP characters and t2 BPOs with real cash, as long as you get a bigger cut, eliminating the possibility of selling ISK for $ with your consent through a loophole. Everything else would have been suicide anyway. Drugs are bad, unless you buy your drugs from the government ...

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