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Athena Attom
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Posted - 2007.05.04 18:01:00 -
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Just interested to know what the current MOTD is referring to: Are you saying " anyone caught buying / selling isk from this point on will be banned via the EULA " or " we have just banned a load of people for buying / selling isk and you have been warned! "
Maybe something is being done about the macro miners selling isk on ebay etc.. finally!
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Marquis Dean
Energy.
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Posted - 2007.05.04 18:05:00 -
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 Originally by: Athena Attom
Maybe something is being done about the macro miners selling isk on ebay etc.. finally!
Yep... and this is it. A little message that I only noticed the third time I logged in today. 
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i dont like you much but i'm going to agree with you on that.
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Yakumo Smith
Gallente
The Forsakened Companions
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Posted - 2007.05.04 21:00:00 -
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As you say sounds like a pre-emptive.
Makes it harder for buyers to hide behind the "I didn't know, honest guv'nor" defence.
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Blind Man
Kemono.
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Posted - 2007.05.04 21:05:00 -
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I find it kinda funny that they put something like that in the MOTD yet they continue to make and encourage GTC selling with the new secure system 
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Dahak2150
Chaos Monkeys
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Posted - 2007.05.04 21:19:00 -
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But BM, this is CCP. How dare you insist on consistency!?
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Frobbe
Gallente
Conisor Excavations Syndicate
Antagonistic Assembly
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Posted - 2007.05.04 21:26:00 -
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Originally by: Blind Man
I find it kinda funny that they put something like that in the MOTD yet they continue to make and encourage GTC selling with the new secure system
This, of course, only holds true when you fail to consider that isk farmers selling isk for money introduce more isk to the economy, versus GTC sales that both pays CCP and only relocates ISK from one player to another
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CCP kieron
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Posted - 2007.05.04 21:33:00 -
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Originally by: Athena Attom
Just interested to know what the current MOTD is referring to: Are you saying " anyone caught buying / selling isk from this point on will be banned via the EULA " or " we have just banned a load of people for buying / selling isk and you have been warned! "
Athena, you beat me to the punch, I was going to start a thread about the MotD.
As for your question, some of the former, some of the latter.
In regards to the comments about ISK for GTCs for Cash, we are putting the final touches on a billing solution that will replace the ISK/GTC/Cash system. Game time for ISK will no longer be a supported option and phased out.
kieron
Community Manager,
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Craam Hustler
Gallente
ReTech
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Posted - 2007.05.04 21:44:00 -
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Originally by: CCP kieron
Originally by: Athena Attom
Just interested to know what the current MOTD is referring to: Are you saying " anyone caught buying / selling isk from this point on will be banned via the EULA " or " we have just banned a load of people for buying / selling isk and you have been warned! "
Athena, you beat me to the punch, I was going to start a thread about the MotD.
As for your question, some of the former, some of the latter.
In regards to the comments about ISK for GTCs for Cash, we are putting the final touches on a billing solution that will replace the ISK/GTC/Cash system. Game time for ISK will no longer be a supported option and phased out.
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Gladia Horusthu
Gallente
Anything Inc.
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Posted - 2007.05.04 21:44:00 -
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Originally by: CCP kieron
Originally by: Athena Attom
Just interested to know what the current MOTD is referring to: Are you saying " anyone caught buying / selling isk from this point on will be banned via the EULA " or " we have just banned a load of people for buying / selling isk and you have been warned! "
Athena, you beat me to the punch, I was going to start a thread about the MotD.
As for your question, some of the former, some of the latter.
In regards to the comments about ISK for GTCs for Cash, we are putting the final touches on a billing solution that will replace the ISK/GTC/Cash system. Game time for ISK will no longer be a supported option and phased out.
I know some of it had to do with players in some areas of the world unable to use normal banking mechanisms. Glad to see that a fix is in the works.
Unfortunately any solution that kills the ISK for game time will also reduce the game population by eliminating those who can't afford to keep their extra accounts open, and the younger set who were depending on GTC for ISK because their parents won't pay for the game.
But then I suppose that decisions on what most negatively affects the game must be what is acted upon.
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Tortilla Smasher
Viziam
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Posted - 2007.05.04 21:45:00 -
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Akita T
Caldari
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2007.05.04 21:47:00 -
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Originally by: CCP kieron
Game time for ISK will no longer be a supported option and phased out.
That's actually quite sad.
The number of people I know that keep playing just because they can trade some of their ISK for gametime is not negligible... for instance, people with heavy ISK reserves but not a lot of "online time" lately.
Less people with active accounts means less money for CCP, no matter how you put it, so where's the benefit for CCP ?
As for ISK farmers, they're certainly not interested in gametime (and no, I don't mean necessarily game time codes, just actual gametime), they're only interested in real life money.
If you enforce a "GTC sales only through secure trade system" rule, there's no way ISK farmers could benefit from GTC trades at all.
I'm sorry to say this, but I fail to see any benefits whatsoever, and I do see some drawbacks.
So, what's the point ?
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Athena Attom
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Posted - 2007.05.04 21:48:00 -
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Thank you very much for your response.
fix it dont nerf it. |
Athena Attom
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Posted - 2007.05.04 21:49:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: CCP kieron
Game time for ISK will no longer be a supported option and phased out.
That's actually quite sad.
The number of people I know that keep playing just because they can trade some of their ISK for gametime is not negligible... for instance, people with heavy ISK reserves but not a lot of "online time" lately.
Less people with active accounts means less money for CCP, no matter how you put it, so where's the benefit for CCP ?
As for ISK farmers, they're certainly not interested in gametime (and no, I don't mean necessarily game time codes, just actual gametime), they're only interested in real life money.
If you enforce a "GTC sales only through secure trade system" rule, there's no way ISK farmers could benefit from GTC trades at all.
I'm sorry to say this, but I fail to see any benefits whatsoever, and I do see some drawbacks.
So, what's the point ?
Instead you have entire alliances being structured around and funded by the use of GTC's...
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Gladia Horusthu
Gallente
Anything Inc.
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Posted - 2007.05.04 21:52:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: CCP kieron
Game time for ISK will no longer be a supported option and phased out.
That's actually quite sad.
The number of people I know that keep playing just because they can trade some of their ISK for gametime is not negligible... for instance, people with heavy ISK reserves but not a lot of "online time" lately.
Less people with active accounts means less money for CCP, no matter how you put it, so where's the benefit for CCP ?
As for ISK farmers, they're certainly not interested in gametime (and no, I don't mean necessarily game time codes, just actual gametime), they're only interested in real life money.
If you enforce a "GTC sales only through secure trade system" rule, there's no way ISK farmers could benefit from GTC trades at all.
I'm sorry to say this, but I fail to see any benefits whatsoever, and I do see some drawbacks.
So, what's the point ?
I think that the point is to stop the concentration of ISK in the hands of those with lots of spare cash, and to prevent alliances from stockpiling massive resources by selling GTCs for ISK. Instead, the value of members will be directly determined by their in-game time contributions.
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Xrak
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.04 21:53:00 -
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Things just happened in my pants after reading that kieron!
Woot Woot! 
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CCP kieron
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Posted - 2007.05.04 21:53:00 -
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Originally by: Gladia Horusthu
I know some of it had to do with players in some areas of the world unable to use normal banking mechanisms. Glad to see that a fix is in the works.
Unfortunately any solution that kills the ISK for game time will also reduce the game population by eliminating those who can't afford to keep their extra accounts open, and the younger set who were depending on GTC for ISK because their parents won't pay for the game.
But then I suppose that decisions on what most negatively affects the game must be what is acted upon.
Some clarification is in order, I left out some important parts of the system.
Game Time for ISK will still be a legit transaction, but a transaction that will take place within Account Management. There will not be a middleman purchasing GTCs for resale for ISK.
As with any major change, there will be unhappiness and some members of the community will go on to another game. That is unavoidable, but the change being worked on is for the greater good of the community.
kieron
Community Manager,
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Janu Hull
Caldari
Order of Z Industries
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Posted - 2007.05.04 21:56:00 -
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Now that's a slightly different particle spin...
So you eliminate the avenue for ISKies for cash, and leave in place the avenue for gametime bought with ISK.
Instead of an ISK transfer, it becomes a pure ISK sink.
Nifty.
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Akita T
Caldari
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2007.05.04 21:58:00 -
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Originally by: Athena Attom
Instead you have entire alliances being structured around and funded by the use of GTC's...
If they want to waste their real-life money so that me or my friends can give them fictional money we would have no use for anyway if we ceased subscription time... I don't see a problem.
They'd get those ISK from somewhere else anyway if GTCs could no longer be officially traded for ISK.
And it would be actually much worse that other way around, lining some sweatshop farmer's pockets.
Just because RMT is against the EULA and some people are punished for it, you don't have to be so naive and assume all RMTs are caught and punished.
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Akita T
Caldari
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2007.05.04 22:01:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 04/05/2007 22:05:49
Originally by: CCP kieron
Some clarification is in order, I left out some important parts of the system.
Game Time for ISK will still be a legit transaction, but a transaction that will take place within Account Management. There will not be a middleman purchasing GTCs for resale for ISK.
You mean, as in "Sell X days of my current remaining gametime for Y ISK to character Z" ?
Or do you mean simply "Buy 30 days gametime with 150.000.000,00 ISK" ?
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Kazuo Ishiguro
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Posted - 2007.05.04 22:01:00 -
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I'm confused - if there's no middleman, does that mean CCP is selling GTCs for isk?
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Xrak
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.04 22:02:00 -
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Hmm CCP is losing out from the new plan as they are making any money from it.
Interesting.
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Dominique Vasilkovsky
Techmart Industries
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Posted - 2007.05.04 22:04:00 -
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Edited by: Dominique Vasilkovsky on 04/05/2007 22:01:23
Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro
I'm confused - if there's no middleman, does that mean CCP is selling GTCs for isk?
How I read it:
You buy game time for ISK but you can't covert GTCs to ISK.
Now that will be a kick ass ISK sink.
Originally by: Xrak
Hmm CCP is losing out from the new plan as they are making any money from it.
Interesting.
It is nice to see CCP rather have a sane in-game economy than some extra $$ tbh.
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darkdev2
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Posted - 2007.05.04 22:04:00 -
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Originally by: CCP kieron
Originally by: Athena Attom
Just interested to know what the current MOTD is referring to: Are you saying " anyone caught buying / selling isk from this point on will be banned via the EULA " or " we have just banned a load of people for buying / selling isk and you have been warned! "
Athena, you beat me to the punch, I was going to start a thread about the MotD.
As for your question, some of the former, some of the latter.
In regards to the comments about ISK for GTCs for Cash, we are putting the final touches on a billing solution that will replace the ISK/GTC/Cash system. Game time for ISK will no longer be a supported option and phased out.
well that just sucks
thx for that
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Amber Leonne
Gallente
New Eden Technical Institutes
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Posted - 2007.05.04 22:06:00 -
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Originally by: Frobbe
Originally by: Blind Man
I find it kinda funny that they put something like that in the MOTD yet they continue to make and encourage GTC selling with the new secure system
This, of course, only holds true when you fail to consider that isk farmers selling isk for money introduce more isk to the economy, versus GTC sales that both pays CCP and only relocates ISK from one player to another
And also allows the player that can't afford an MMO subscription to be able to play EVE still *Nods*. Half of GTCs helps someone in need, other half helps someone in want.
Isk selling helps someone in want & further still in greed as none of it's routed through the community beneficially.
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Craam Hustler
Gallente
ReTech
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Posted - 2007.05.04 22:07:00 -
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Edited by: Craam Hustler on 04/05/2007 22:04:00
Originally by: CCP kieron
Game Time for ISK will still be a legit transaction, but a transaction that will take place within Account Management. There will not be a middleman purchasing GTCs for resale for ISK.
I want to have your babies.
And no, there is NO sarcasm in my posts at all! I am happy about this change.
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Countess Amarra
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Posted - 2007.05.04 22:09:00 -
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Maybe like a GTC resovoir, or bank, people buy time, sell to ccp for isk and ccp look after it through account management. GTC for isk will still be available until the current stock of 'iskified' timecodes run out? Maybe
lol still confused tho
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Teesa
Ill Tempered Bus Drivers
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Posted - 2007.05.04 22:10:00 -
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Banning ISK sellers is great. But due to CCP's past bias towards one alliance over all others, I can't help to think that there is a bias in which accounts were banned. We know in the past that CCP didn't ban a player who posted personal info public in one case but did in others.
If CCP didn't play favorites, great. But ISK selling will only get worse until static 10/10's and T2 BPOs are removed from the game.
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Xrak
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.04 22:14:00 -
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I forsee this thread being lock and a full explainination being posted/stickied.
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Dominique Vasilkovsky
Techmart Industries
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Posted - 2007.05.04 22:14:00 -
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Originally by: Amber Leonne
And also allows the player that can't afford an MMO subscription to be able to play EVE still *Nods*. Half of GTCs helps someone in need, other half helps someone in want.
All that really happened is that your GTC trading got nerfed as people will buy game time directly from CCP for their ISK.
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Akita T
Caldari
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2007.05.04 22:16:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
I think K is saying, sales of GTCs for ISKs are allowed provided they are all done through Account Management. Any sale conducted otherwise will be banned.
I certainly hope that's what he's saying, the other interpretation would mean CCP losing a lot of potential income.
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