Congrats CCP on ******* up the only missile system still efficient.

RLML are fine like they are. People complaining about the RLML being overpowered are the ones that fly paper tin fits that sacrifice everything to velocity. If a fit is decent enough to hold the burst damage from a RLML system most probably will beat the other ship using the RLML.

Then the HML buff ? Thats a bad joke. The problem is not the DPS or the Alpha or whatever it's their CRAP APPLICATION. If you fit a Afterburner, you laugh at a ship using whatever Missile system people have available. Except the now nerfed RLML.

Congrats once again CCP...

You want to talk about balance, balance the Keres or the Maulus or do you think they are balanced ships ?

Actually, if you read all of DeadDuck's comments in this thread, he's accurately described the entire issue. Buffing HML does nothing here. It is a joke, at best.

Rapid rockets doesn't even make sense. It's like asking for a rapid torpedo launcher rapid ham launcher

RLML are intended to be able to take on frigates.

RHML are intended to be able take out Cruisers


A Rapid light rocket launcher is meant to? Take out Rookie ships?

Drones?

Pretty sure this would end up being the Eve equivalent to a full auto 12-gauge shotgun loaded with bird shot...

You've got no range, it doesn't hurt very much, but it slings a *lot* of lead down range

Seriously though, there's a reason none of the high DPS short-range missiles get a launcher type. People would load them with Rage ammo and just end up blapping same-class ships.

RLML are intended to be able to take on frigates.

RHML are intended to be able take out Cruisers


A Rapid light rocket launcher is meant to? Take out Rookie ships?

Phoenix/Leviathan would like to have word with you about savior known as Rapid Torpedo Launcher

Nope, they needed to use less CPU and PG and to fit where RLML cant fit, but still provide same DPS on short range.

Th e problem is the burst damage killing most attack cruisers and similar anti support options while having twice the EHP as those options, please reduce the reload time to 30 seconds but reduce the clip size to 17 instead for T2. This retains almost identical Dps to now but allows ships like the rail Thorax, stabber, omen and other anti support ships to survive a reload.

Also, please, please consider increasing the fittings because the main issue with rapid light ships right now is they can fit absolutely everything with no sacrifice, mid to long cruiser sniper ranges, close range turret burst DPS, with high EHP. Increasing the reload time won't address any of this. Most people ping and reload while in Warp in bigger fights.

In addition to this nerf would it be possible to remove the damage bonus that is applied to rapid light launchers in wormhole system effects for example the wolf rayet effect.

We could just revert RLMLs back to AMLs. Those were fine. I liked my AML Caracal back in 2012/13.

Why not just a tiny nerf to light missiles? Rockets you need webs to make them apply full damate to a frigate but somehow I can oush explo radius for lights down to 14.1 without much effort. Thats a huge amount of apllied damage to even a speed boosted inty running a decent mwd (remember they take AB damage).

Starting to feel like a consensus in here :: it wass definitely not the Range that's the issue, and certainly not the re-load times which already feel punative ir the Rapid launchers -- the heart of the issue seems two fold -- the rapid Light missile launchers are just too easy to fit on the Caracal/Cerb/Orthrus line, making those ships too much of a powerhouse -- so change the fitting abilities of those ships to mitigate it -- not the weapon systems. and on the 2nd front -- the poor application of heavy missiles

You've already worsened the reloads on All Rapid launchers (which was un-needed to begin with not being the actual problem) -- and your buff, such that it is, to Heavies DMG is fairly pointless since they just can't apply w/o a ton of work.

Lastly, this notion that cannibalizing the flexibility of ships larger than our beloved Dessies is somehow a good idea feels like rubbish. Leave pilots the ability to fit their ships based on their piloting needs -- if they want to fit a 'smaller' weapon system, let them, they already sacrifice its hull bonuses for damage. I like, for example, having a battle ship with Rapid Heavies -- it allows them to go brawl with gangs of smaller ships.

Best regards all!

Pretty much all missiles require some kind of application mod to apply full damage to a same-tier target.

Light Missiles aren't the problem, and Light Missiles on Frigates are pretty well balanced overall. The issue with RLML ships is that they can basically just nuke most smaller hulls, reload rinse and repeat because they have a much higher burst damage than normal Light Missile Launchers.