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Tista	Posted - 2007.05.07 11:39:00 - [31] btw non cap means none capital -------------------- "this is the templar fighter used by carriers" Originaly quoted by Shania Eria.
Brady	Posted - 2007.05.07 11:46:00 - [32] Eagle is by far best tanking ship ingame (does ****e damage, but we're talking tanking). Can fit a gist x-type booster and run it forever, alongside hardeners and an invulner. The sig radius makes a massive difference.
Darthirishguy Caldari Burn the Jolly Roger FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.07 12:56:00 - [33] Well a drake will tank better than any other T1 ship, BS included. So I've gotta assume it's the vulture since it can tank even better again
Kagura Nikon Minmatar Guardians of the Dawn Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.05.07 13:10:00 - [34] Its the maesltrom with a capital shield Booster. Nothing else comes close to it. Even on Tuxford original description of the maesltrom when it was anounced "The most powerful tank of all non capital ships" The rokh Comes very close to it in realistic fitting but it cannot make the ridiculows capital shield booster fitings. If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
ghosttr Amarr ARK-CORP FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.07 13:17:00 - [35] I would have to say abaddon as well, With good skills you can have all resists between 85-90% with t2 gear. And 3 nano pumps and and 2 lar II's and you wont be solo ganked by anyone anytime soon. Now this all doesn't matter hen its blob wars and your 400mil battleship is called primary
Angus Torg	Posted - 2007.05.07 13:27:00 - [36] Drake has a nice passive shield tank, but the damage output of hte missiles is quite low - when you are used to blasters. Vulture has an impressive passive shield tank, but the damage output is even worse. For me, the best tank-gank ship (with an sustainable, not-nossed) tank is the Astarte. Dual Corpum reppers with adaptive membranes. Holds most missions without changing the configuration and the damage output is not just a wet towel's one.
Sedai Hara Caldari The Forsakened Companions	Posted - 2007.05.07 13:38:00 - [37] Originally by: Nicholai Thomasovich Nighthawk is a bit better passive tank than the Vulture due to the extra low slot. Hahah! No Vulture is best non-capital tank in game. as it can keep on tanking forever. Aure. theoreticly a mealstrom with a capital booster is awsome. still its theory. cant keep the tank running aka its dead prety soon. Also the vulture got higher resists than nighthawk. A passive vulture though cant be killed solo. it realy is like that. i fly an active one. and only thing that has broken my crapp faction active tank was a NOS-domi (curse couldnt, killed him first)a Passive one cant be broken 1v1. so you can just sit there all day waiting for your backup to arrive. Works same in taking first agro in breaking a gate camp. just jump in first and uncloak, gives your gang mates a extra min or 2 to kill everything else. So, best tank in theory: Mealstrom w/ captial booster (in damage tanked) best tank with a use and that doesnt gimp the ship into oblivion : Hp-tanked Vulture best tank for a ship that can accualy kill something else: Hype/abbadon Originally by: Tuxford Speed is fun and all but this is getting silly, yes we are addressing it, yes I have a blog coming about it. 2007-02-05 end of the nano-era
Azuse The Brotherhood Of The Blade The Makhai	Posted - 2007.05.07 13:50:00 - [38] The criteria really is a bit loose but there is one thing all these armour tanking folks are ignoring (well they are speculating not really thinking it through). Nano pumps do not stack, also for for all those hype pilots out there amarr are the ultimate armour tankers, resists are far, far more important than the amount you can rep. High resist = less repping = lower cap use which in turn means you have more cap for hardeners. Abadon with bs v the abadons lowest resist is 45, it does lack the rep bonus of the hype but it has an additional lowslot, higher resists, more cap. In short it's a beast, provided you don't attempt to stack nano pumps, it's tank is incredable. Incidently an archon with a chelm tank has resists 94/99, an abadon hovers around 90 with tii, if money was no object and you threw those on the bs, you'd be pushing a carriers tank
NoNah	Posted - 2007.05.07 14:05:00 - [39] Ironicly, I read people in here talking of the drake? In what way would the drake tank better than other ships? As for active tanks, rokh or even better Maelstrom? As for passive, how about... um.. myrmid? And I still dont understand everyone even considering armortanks. Looking at the figures I mentioned earlier, the maelstrom will tank about 5000 dps at its lowest resist. Now that would mean the abaddon your talking about would need(presuming 90% in all resists, wich I'd really like to see you achieve). You would need to have 5625 repped every cycle(before implants, with rep systems V). Meaning 3 corpus x-type reps, with 3 auxs(will end up at a little less than 5625 probably compensated by the rep time implant). Now, do show me how to sustain that cap level? And how to reach 90% omniresist with 4 low slots left... The maelstrom is the king of tanks, if you want it sustainable - XL booster, if you want max out - capital booster.
sakana North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.05.07 14:12:00 - [40] All the new BSs have the tanking potential, I'd say the mealstrom (sp?) or hyperion wins tho. The vulture can tank pretty nicely too :) ------------
WredStorm Gallente Garoun Investment Bank	Posted - 2007.05.07 17:53:00 - [41] Here are a couple of very expensive Myrmidon passive shield tank setups. It assumes shield management and shield operation skills at 5: Highs: Whatever you want - probably NOS or projectile weapons Mids: Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Estamel's Modified Invulnerability Field Lows: Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Power Diagnostic System II Rigs : Core Defence Field Purger II \ Core Defence Field Purger II \ Core Defence Field Purger II \ Implants: +5% shield hp and -5% shield recharge time implants Shield HP: 19853.27 Shield Regen Time: 87.17 Avg. Regen/sec: 227.75 Peak Regen/sec: 569.38 Resists & Tankable DPS EM = 50.00% = 1139 tankable DPS EX = 80.00% = 2847 tankable DPS KI = 70.00% = 1898 tankable DPS TH = 60.00% = 1423 tankable DPS Average = 1827 tankable DPS With capacitor skills at 5 it regens 3.92 cap/s at peak and uses 3.33 cap/s running the one invuln field, so it could run this for forever, as long as it wasn't being NOS'd. If you don't care about cap issues (ie: you're willing to have to fit a NOS in your uppers and suck off your enemey's cap) then you can do this: Highs: Medium Nosferatu I Whatever you want - probably more NOS or projectile weapons Mids: Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Estamel's Modified Invulnerability Field Estamel's Modified Invulnerability Field Lows: Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Rigs : Core Defence Field Purger II \ Core Defence Field Purger II \ Core Defence Field Purger II \ Implants: +5% shield hp and -5% shield recharge time implants Shield HP: 15462.56 Shield Regen Time: 72.4 Avg. Regen/sec: 213.57 Peak Regen/sec: 533.93 Resists & Tankable DPS EM = 71.73% = 1889 tankable DPS EX = 88.69% = 4721 tankable DPS KI = 83.04% = 3148 tankable DPS TH = 77.38% = 2360 tankable DPS Average = 3030 tankable DPS With capacitor skills at 5 it regens 2.53 cap/s at peak, plus 5/sec from a medium NOS gives 7.53 total regen at peak. It uses 6.667/s running both invuln fields, so it can run for as long as you can suck energy from your opponent. WredStorm ----- Think out of the box, consider passive shield tanking your Myrmidon, you'll be pleasantly surprised!
LeMoose The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.05.07 18:15:00 - [42] Edited by: LeMoose on 07/05/2007 18:12:25 claymore with officer pdu's and 2x ccc rigs can permarun pith xtype xl sb... hands down best tank in eve cause of t2 minnie resists (wtfhax) and boost bonus edit: and ofc crystal set
Gladiator Jonny	Posted - 2007.05.07 22:47:00 - [43] it might have been said. but where the hell does the rattlesnake come into this? seriously rattlesnake + h-g crystal set + estamels/x-type fittings + rigs = " come to daddy "
Byzan Zwyth Dark Centuri Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.05.07 23:26:00 - [44] the hyperion is best, the big cross makes it resistant to vampires & NOS ---------------------- Rank: Tech 1 and a 1/2 cannon fodder Pointless forum slowing bandwidth hogging signature pic inc?
murder one Gallente Death of Virtue Vigilance Infinitas	Posted - 2007.05.07 23:40:00 - [45] Maelstrom has the best tank in the game, hands down. Rattlesnake is a close second. Whoever said Hyperion: LOL? Because I said so...
Angus Torg	Posted - 2007.05.08 09:42:00 - [46] Claymore with Gist X-Type X-Large Booster? You guys are far beyond crazy. (Damn, that's a hard nut)
Kagura Nikon Minmatar Guardians of the Dawn Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.05.08 12:00:00 - [47] Originally by: Gladiator Jonny it might have been said. but where the hell does the rattlesnake come into this? seriously rattlesnake + h-g crystal set + estamels/x-type fittings + rigs = " come to daddy " you can do exaclty the same with maelstrom, but with a free 37.5% bonus that is not stack nerfed against Amplifiers. And maesltrom is more good looking (not to say faaar cheaper)! The extra HP from the ratle is not enough to counter this. If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
Jia Loan	Posted - 2007.05.08 13:57:00 - [48] Edited by: Jia Loan on 08/05/2007 13:54:31 passive tanked drake by far.. get a 98 sec recharge rate with 16k shields and you laughting ... i had a fullt t2 damage abaddon engage my drake and he couldnt get me past 60% shields before i had him into 1/2 armour and his cap ran out...
Ghostshadow Templars of Space CORE.	Posted - 2007.05.08 14:01:00 - [49] Originally by: Jia Loan Edited by: Jia Loan on 08/05/2007 13:54:31 passive tanked drake by far.. get a 98 sec recharge rate with 16k shields and you laughting ... i had a fullt t2 damage abaddon engage my drake and he couldnt get me past 60% shields before i had him into 1/2 armour and his cap ran out... ... Then he waited 2 or 3 minutes for his cap to recharge and warped out with 48% armor left right? ____________________________________________ A * B = C A = Skill Points B = GPA C = a Constant. Guess what happens to B as A increases.
Jia Loan	Posted - 2007.05.08 14:03:00 - [50] Originally by: Ghostshadow Originally by: Jia Loan Edited by: Jia Loan on 08/05/2007 13:54:31 passive tanked drake by far.. get a 98 sec recharge rate with 16k shields and you laughting ... i had a fully t2 damage abaddon engage my drake and he couldnt get me past 60% shields before i had him into 1/2 armour and his cap ran out... ... Then he waited 2 or 3 minutes for his cap to recharge and warped out with 48% armor left right? nice little flame .. simple fact is 98 sec recharge rate with 16k shields you try solo taking a drake down with that in any bs you want :) ... think your find it next to impossible .. even for you blaster boats ...
Kagura Nikon Minmatar Guardians of the Dawn Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.05.08 15:59:00 - [51] Edited by: Kagura Nikon on 08/05/2007 15:56:42 That is where you are mistaken. Passive tanks have their weak spot on the fact that your regeneration is ghood form 30% to 70 % shields. That means... you have 6400 shield of real buffer. Don knwo what yourresists are, but quite some ships are able to cross that boundary in 1 mega alpha strike hit (depend on your resists). (also do not ever beleive a passive tanked ships will be able to run its hardeners.. most enemies will make you shut it down in 1 cycle. So for example 2 tempests with 1400 MM guns even having each one very low DPS .. they can break your tank. If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
Kagura Nikon Minmatar Guardians of the Dawn Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.05.08 16:16:00 - [52] Edited by: Kagura Nikon on 08/05/2007 16:12:59 Just to add 2 cents here. Since people put ridiculowsly officer fitted drakes and myrmidons as tanks here. I will post something to eat that passive tanks. Maesltrom 8x Shakil's Modified 1400MM 1 REactor Controll II 4xShakil's Modified Gyrostablizer 1 PCA II 5% Large proj implant 5% turret implant 4Sentry this delivers 9344 damage in 1 volley with rate of fire of about 8 seconds..... not very high long run dps (1150 dps )..wella t leats not so uber. But simply its alpha would cross any uber passive tank like butter. If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
Caffeine Junkie Caldari Elite Storm Enterprises Storm Armada	Posted - 2007.05.08 16:27:00 - [53] Originally by: Namingway estamel/x-type tanked Rokh or Scorpion. Or maybe Maelstrom. However a Scorpion with an xl estamel sb and 3-4 bost amp and 3 estamel invuln is pretty disgusting. And a HG Crystal set. ___________________
welsh wizard 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.05.08 17:06:00 - [54] Edited by: welsh wizard on 08/05/2007 17:05:40 The problem with the Myrmidon passive tank is hitpoints. Get 2 gank battleships on it with 2000 shield and they'll be hitting armour with every volley. Drake is in practice a much better passive tank as it can passive tank with masses of hitpoints. 1v1 or even 1v2 against low damage ships and it far surpasses the Drake with its very short recharge time but if you have a gang of any size shooting you its hitpoints won't last 2 seconds. Now onto the "best non-capital tank in the game" subject. A Maelstrom can boost ridiculous amounts of hp with faction equipment and crystal implants but it is still a tech I ship. It's resists are horrendous. It won't last aslong as Vulture using similar equipment, not a chance, it just takes too much raw damage. This is of course my opinion but I'm pretty confident that a Vulture can fit the hardest active and passive tank in the game if its done right. (In terms of staying alive longer than anything else)
NoNah	Posted - 2007.05.08 22:09:00 - [55] I might have misunderstood the question, but, I thought you asked about what ship could tank best? IE negate most dps? In that case... buffert means nothing. Yes, if youre looking for the ship being able to "tank" a DDD, thats a different matter, as theres no point in repping up etc. And tank most suitable for combat is yet another question, mostly as shieldtanks take midslots etc. If youre talking about plain surviving, nothing will beat the covert ops anyway. Or anything docked ofc. Heck you could even say the claw got the best tank, as it does have the best speedtank. However, IF youre talking about raw dps tanked, I'd like to see any one of you folks who are suggesting caldari commandships, faction ships and for the love of god, even battlecruisers(!) spit out numbers that are even near what I mentioned earlier. Just give me a single ship, setup or whatever that goes even near 5k damage tanked per second, on its worst resist. Break 3k on that battlecruiser of yours and im impressed. Oh, and ofc the tank should be sustainable. Seriously people, this thread is making me scared.
welsh wizard 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.05.08 23:49:00 - [56] Edited by: welsh wizard on 08/05/2007 23:46:44 Originally by: NoNah I might have misunderstood the question, but, I thought you asked about what ship could tank best? IE negate most dps? In that case... buffert means nothing. Yes, if youre looking for the ship being able to "tank" a DDD, thats a different matter, as theres no point in repping up etc. And tank most suitable for combat is yet another question, mostly as shieldtanks take midslots etc. If youre talking about plain surviving, nothing will beat the covert ops anyway. Or anything docked ofc. Heck you could even say the claw got the best tank, as it does have the best speedtank. However, IF youre talking about raw dps tanked, I'd like to see any one of you folks who are suggesting caldari commandships, faction ships and for the love of god, even battlecruisers(!) spit out numbers that are even near what I mentioned earlier. Just give me a single ship, setup or whatever that goes even near 5k damage tanked per second, on its worst resist. Break 3k on that battlecruiser of yours and im impressed. Oh, and ofc the tank should be sustainable. Seriously people, this thread is making me scared. Couple of heavy nos or medium nos on a Curse/Pilgrim and you're boned, you'll go down far faster than a Vulture. Coming across a pvp situation where you're tanking a gang and there is no nos must be practically unheard of these days. Hypothetical 'no cap drain' pvp gang tanking situation and you're probably right.
NoNah	Posted - 2007.05.09 00:04:00 - [57] I'd say just about every ship has the best tank in some scenario. And as the old saying points out "Offense is the best defence".
Darpz Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.05.09 01:08:00 - [58] best tank in game? Vulture 5xHeavy Missile 2xMed Nos 2xEstamals Invuln 3xLSE II 4xShield Power Relay IIs 2xPurgers should tank 3k+
Kazire	Posted - 2007.05.09 05:26:00 - [59] Edited by: Kazire on 09/05/2007 05:23:19 Edited by: Kazire on 09/05/2007 05:22:27 OK, all this talk of loading up a capital shield booster on a maelstrom, yet I fail to see how this mod will fit onto the ship with any weapons. Please a quick fitting list.
Strill	Posted - 2007.05.09 05:38:00 - [60] Originally by: Azuse Nano pumps do not stack Where does it say that? All I see is a stacking penalty warning. If you fit two T2 nano-pumps, and a T1, the stacking penalty reduces the bonus from 1.656x more armor repped to 1.5297x armor repped. So 8% less armor repaired overall, and 23.8% less contribution from the nano-pumps due to the stacking penalty.

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