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DarkElf
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.05.09 14:25:00 -
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Very bad form. the npc's popping him is questionable. I would have returned it but many wouldn't so no judgement from me on that but podding him and still not returning the ransom is pretty low. not impressive
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Amber Saint
Genos Occidere
Fatal Persuasion
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Posted - 2007.05.10 01:02:00 -
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Yeah, would most likely have returned the isk.
Depends on how long he stayed in the belt afterwards, if he tried to warp out within 10 sec and the rats popped him before that, then yeah i would have returned the isk.
Altho if he stayed for some time in the belt its his own fault.
But i would NEVER have popped his pod. If he payed up, he did, its because of guys like you ppl stop paying ransoms.  
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Kirex
Gallente
Vale Heavy Industries
Molotov Coalition
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Posted - 2007.05.10 01:05:00 -
[33]
Im curious, does your CEO approve of this? Would be interesting to hear what he has to say.
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Vactet
Immortalis Silens
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Posted - 2007.05.10 01:37:00 -
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Funny story, but also disappointing.
People used to pay ransoms. Partly because A)Folks honored them. B)They werent insanely priced.
Im not saying yours was insanely priced by the way.
But yeh, its when folks like you do what you do that make it harder for the rest of us to get ransom.
I always prefer to ransom, but it gets annoying when i keep getting "F*** YOU!" responses.
I caught a guy the other day in a fully T2 fitted Rupture (Not..sure..why?).
I was in a ferox just looking to loose the ship for the insurance, so it was very cheaply fitted.
had him locked down and sitting at 50% structure with nos's on him. I then had a friend come in (who was waiting nearby) and scan him...ship and cargo.
He had 1400mm Arty II's in his cargo (Guess he got in on a ship kill prior?).
I asked him to pay 25M (I was in a nice mood for once). His response "F*** YOU!"
So i poped the ship and then took what little loot remained (Only 1 of the arties survived).
Anyways point being...
They pay you? They just bought a get out of jail free, do not get reamed, card.
So...leave em be. And as for the whole rat situation. I would have flat out told him that if he had been quicker to agree to your price that wouldnt have occured (Future lesson). But yeh..going back for his pod, bad form.
Delivering the kick to the jaw of society to stop it from drooling on itself like the ignorant slop it is since 1984.
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Quillan Rage
E X O D U S
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.05.10 11:22:00 -
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You should have returned half the money so that he could buy an intellignce implant, which may then stop him going 1v1 with a curse in the future...
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Arwen Ariniel
Gallente
Shaolin Legacy
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Posted - 2007.05.10 14:20:00 -
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Gratz Yonneh,
Well done ;) More ppl should ransom the ships and not only the pod (some pirates are silly enough to think everyone goes down to lowsec with 1 billion implants in their head). Shouldn't have podded him tho. Leaving yourself and leaving him rambling like an idiot in local would have shown you were the master  |
Ria Denas
PERKONE Industies
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Posted - 2007.05.10 16:14:00 -
[37]
Originally by: Yonneh
Well.. Another day.. another noob to kill..
I chase a Kessy around and finnaly snab him.. /me Evilgrin
Moments later he returns in a Harb demanding for a scrap, fair play.. So in i go and the battle begins, Curse > Harb = Z0mg capwtf? So hes in structure and he bagins to haggle for a ransom, i say 39mil and the lower into structure he gets the higher the ammount hes willing to pay gets  So finnally he pays with almost no structure left and i then leave (Tyvm have a fantastic day), next thing i know the rats in the belt kill him..  
Almost cried of laughter but he wanted his ransom back.. and blamed me for killing him, me?! So i send him on his way, clone style..
Gf tho..
What happened to his loot and wreak ????????????
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Arekhon
Mutually Assured Distraction
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Posted - 2007.05.11 07:28:00 -
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i too would have given the isk back...since as others have said it was your actions, or mine in that situation that led to his getting popped.
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Gaia Thorn
Infestation.
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Posted - 2007.05.11 11:43:00 -
[39]
well for me it's pretty clear tbh.
He prolonged the payment.
He was let go once he had payed.
He made the concius desicion to wait until he was almost dead to pay.
I wouldnt pay him the isk since you keept up your side of the bargain.
You didnt destroy his ship, if after you left npc or hell even a player then pops it not your problem.
However the pod should be included in the price if you ask me.
Even if he was trash talking you in local.
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Yonneh
CRICE Corporation
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Posted - 2007.05.11 21:34:00 -
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Lol, after he poped he sat in the belt for a good 10 mins, just *****ing at me.. So *******s yeah im not just gona sit there and take that, i didnt plan on poding him, but if hes gona be talking trash like that then hes gona get it, Simple.
This was intended to be a funny story, aprove or dont, your call, but i'd do it again in the same situation... |
Elspeth Vigneron
Caldari
Phoenix Logistics Industries
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Posted - 2007.05.11 21:56:00 -
[41]
Originally by: Yonneh
Well.. Another day.. another noob to kill..
I chase a Kessy around and finnaly snab him.. /me Evilgrin
Moments later he returns in a Harb demanding for a scrap, fair play.. So in i go and the battle begins, Curse > Harb = Z0mg capwtf? So hes in structure and he bagins to haggle for a ransom, i say 39mil and the lower into structure he gets the higher the ammount hes willing to pay gets So finnally he pays with almost no structure left and i then leave (Tyvm have a fantastic day), next thing i know the rats in the belt kill him..
Almost cried of laughter but he wanted his ransom back.. and blamed me for killing him, me?! So i send him on his way, clone style..
Gf tho..
I don't get why he'd be angry. He came LOOKING for you. He lost. I'm not much into PvP in Eve because it's lamely deterministic, but when I do something stupid like that, I don't whine.
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Blind Man
Kemono.
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Posted - 2007.05.11 22:02:00 -
[42]
his own stupid fault
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DarkElf
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.05.12 01:44:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Yonneh
Lol, after he poped he sat in the belt for a good 10 mins, just *****ing at me.. So *******s yeah im not just gona sit there and take that, i didnt plan on poding him, but if hes gona be talking trash like that then hes gona get it, Simple.
This was intended to be a funny story, aprove or dont, your call, but i'd do it again in the same situation...
i don't blame u for being annoyed at someone trash talking you but u accepting payment for letting him go and then afterwards podded him without returning the ransom, therefore u dishonoured a ransom. now if this is ur chosen play style then by all means continue and do what gives u the most fun out of eve but don't try to sugar coat it. basically u do not honor ur ransoms and lets leave it at that.
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Pelendava
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Posted - 2007.05.12 03:57:00 -
[44]
I would've asked him for the killmail. |
Yonneh
CRICE Corporation
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Posted - 2007.05.12 18:12:00 -
[45]
Dark, i always honor my ransoms, i always honor 1v1's and arranged combats, im not a 'bad' pirate..
And i told him to look at the Km, since i ddint get it.. |
DarkElf
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.05.12 20:31:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Yonneh
Dark, i always honor my ransoms, i always honor 1v1's and arranged combats, im not a 'bad' pirate..
And i told him to look at the Km, since i ddint get it..
u got his pod mail. i'll say again that the rats killing ships thing and not returning that ransom is questionable. whether u return it or not is your call and i wouldn't say it's bad either way.
But, you accepted money to give him his safety, podded him and didn't return the isk. and that is not honoring a ransom i'm afraid.
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Vanna Kjyshy
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Posted - 2007.05.16 11:54:00 -
[47]
I never pay ransoms. Mainly because there is no honor or binding contract that will prevent someone from podding/destroying your ship AFTER you pay the ransom.
That money would be better spent on re-fitting a new ship.
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Kelban Kevar
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Posted - 2007.05.16 21:15:00 -
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i would have gave the isk back....but then again i would have poped the npc's before they poped him....when taking a ransom your supposed to be honor bound too see that nothing eles happens to the victim in front of ya,if this means tackling npc's or other players so be it my be a pirate but that doesnt mean im with out a moral compass.also since he was fairly new 5 mill would have did just fine...when you cross over these lines you descent in to the class of greif players,were all here to play,and that doesnt mean ruining ppl's fun with eve...for if they all leave you'll be playing with yaself.
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Nyck
Not Your Common Killers
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Posted - 2007.05.17 13:29:00 -
[49]
Had this happen once.
Warped in, scrammed Moa. Tried ransoming when I got him into armor. He stalled all the way down to 33% structure. He pays up, (4 mil) I let him go and warp out. The npc's pop him.
After some debate, I finally gave him back 2 mil, which he promptly put on my head for bounty.
I laughed.
I wouldn't have podded the poor guy, even with the smack. He payed up.
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Mazzy Star
Turbulent
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Posted - 2007.05.17 15:10:00 -
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In my experience if you plan on ransoming someone you need to take steps to ensure that any rats don't pop him. Either leave them with enough shield/armor/structure to continue taking a bit of rat damage (until one or both of you are gone) or kill the rats once the opponent has been disabled. You essentially need to "protect" your victim once you have defeated him.
-If you warp out after getting the ransom and THEN he gets popped it's on him.
-If he pays and then pops like 5 seconds later cause of the rats and you're both just sitting there then imo the ransom should be returned.
In any case, podding him for demanding his ransom back is unbelievably lame. If you haven't already, you should give his ransom back.
I would have returned this guy's ransom isk without a second thought.
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Ja'kar
Templar Securities and Holdings
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Posted - 2007.05.18 00:38:00 -
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yup - have to agree I mean he could just sent a convo
What u did was right...
Mind u if u did take his ransom and pop him I would still say its right... Why cos its piracy and there r no rules only player style, and some ppl got a lot of style...
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