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Yonneh CRICE Corporation	Posted - 2007.05.07 15:49:00 - [1] Well.. Another day.. another noob to kill.. I chase a Kessy around and finnaly snab him.. /me Evilgrin Moments later he returns in a Harb demanding for a scrap, fair play.. So in i go and the battle begins, Curse > Harb = Z0mg capwtf? So hes in structure and he bagins to haggle for a ransom, i say 39mil and the lower into structure he gets the higher the ammount hes willing to pay gets So finnally he pays with almost no structure left and i then leave (Tyvm have a fantastic day), next thing i know the rats in the belt kill him.. Almost cried of laughter but he wanted his ransom back.. and blamed me for killing him, me?! So i send him on his way, clone style.. Gf tho..
Cheyenne Shadowborn Caldari Citizens of E.A.R.T.H. E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2007.05.07 15:53:00 - [2] Originally by: Yonneh Well.. Another day.. another noob to kill.. I chase a Kessy around and finnaly snab him.. /me Evilgrin Moments later he returns in a Harb demanding for a scrap, fair play.. So in i go and the battle begins, Curse > Harb = Z0mg capwtf? So hes in structure and he bagins to haggle for a ransom, i say 39mil and the lower into structure he gets the higher the ammount hes willing to pay gets So finnally he pays with almost no structure left and i then leave (Tyvm have a fantastic day), next thing i know the rats in the belt kill him.. Almost cried of laughter but he wanted his ransom back.. and blamed me for killing him, me?! So i send him on his way, clone style.. Gf tho.. Cruel. So cruel. But made me grin -- CCP: PLEASE fix the forum software - thanks.
Yonneh CRICE Corporation	Posted - 2007.05.07 15:54:00 - [3] \o/
jimmyjam Turbulent	Posted - 2007.05.07 16:44:00 - [4] Originally by: Yonneh Well.. Another day.. another noob to kill.. I chase a Kessy around and finnaly snab him.. /me Evilgrin Moments later he returns in a Harb demanding for a scrap, fair play.. So in i go and the battle begins, Curse > Harb = Z0mg capwtf? So hes in structure and he bagins to haggle for a ransom, i say 39mil and the lower into structure he gets the higher the ammount hes willing to pay gets So finnally he pays with almost no structure left and i then leave (Tyvm have a fantastic day), next thing i know the rats in the belt kill him.. Almost cried of laughter but he wanted his ransom back.. and blamed me for killing him, me?! So i send him on his way, clone style.. Gf tho.. I would have refunded his isk tbh. ----------------------------------------------- Turby is seeking exp pvp/pirates!! Please contact me or tribalbleb or join in game chat channel turby for more info.
jbob2000 Gallente KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.07 17:25:00 - [5] I would've refunded half and said the NPCs took the other half. ________________________________ KIA Recruitment
Drunk Driver Gallente	Posted - 2007.05.07 17:30:00 - [6] Originally by: jbob2000 I would've refunded half and said the NPCs took the other half.
Zhett Haukes Shih Yang Tong	Posted - 2007.05.07 19:54:00 - [7] you should post that in the "cold blooded things" thread in this forum. Great story! Not sure what I would have done...
Liang Nuren Templars of Space CORE.	Posted - 2007.05.07 20:45:00 - [8] I'd have kept the isk, because he should have paid faster. Liang My opinions are my own, and do not in any way reflect the beliefs of my corp/alliance.
Nazdarovie	Posted - 2007.05.07 21:54:00 - [9] Edited by: Nazdarovie on 07/05/2007 21:51:12 I agree with the above Your signature (while amusing) exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels -Rauth Kivaro ([email protected])
Yonneh CRICE Corporation	Posted - 2007.05.07 22:22:00 - [10] Originally by: Nazdarovie Edited by: Nazdarovie on 07/05/2007 21:51:12 I agree with the above ;] glad to know there still hardcore people out there
Requiescat	Posted - 2007.05.07 23:34:00 - [11] I would have referred him to my CEO and said that his decision is final. Considering that the CEO I'm referring to (not my present one, my yarr one) has snuck a Thorax into .5 space while -9.9 and killed a barge before CONCORD showed up, I'm pretty sure I would walk away with 39m and some choice quotes for my bio. --=-- I turned off "show corp/alliance" because, to be frank, I'm ashamed of them. They'll be turned back on when I'm somewhere more suitable for someone of my talents.
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar Sicarri Covenant Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.08 01:07:00 - [12] I would've done the same thing... except I would've just podded him outright, THEN laughed, then taken all his loot and kept the ransom Mainly because of him coming back and asking for round 2 Actually, I would've ransomed his pod too Tic Toc Tic Toc , time is ticking ... ~Liz Kali
Superbus Maximus Gallente Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.05.08 01:31:00 - [13] Edited by: Superbus Maximus on 08/05/2007 01:27:16 This is eve its everyone else's fault but yours Please do not edit moderator sig comments. -Conuion Meow ([email protected])
Liang Nuren Templars of Space CORE.	Posted - 2007.05.08 01:55:00 - [14] I wouldn't have podded him though ... I would already have had my ISK from the ship. The way I see it is this: You nab his Kestrel ... big deal. He comes back in a Harby (yippie). You nab his Harby, and bring him to structure (not so unexpected). He haggles over the price .. meanwhile you/the rats are putting him further in structure. He agrees to a price (eventually), and pays you. You let him go and warp away. Some number of (presumably) seconds later, he pops from the rats. The part where I say he should have paid faster, is the haggling. If he'd foregone the haggling, but instead just paid up, he would have been out free. Liang My opinions are my own, and do not in any way reflect the beliefs of my corp/alliance.
Auri Hella The Graduates Ivy League	Posted - 2007.05.08 01:55:00 - [15] That person was clearly too stupid to have that much money Though the podding was a bit harsh. He did pay after all
Militis Kolosok Caldari Praetorian BlackGuard Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.08 02:05:00 - [16] Podding may have been harsh, he did pay Otherwise, lol Praetorian BlackGuard Now Recruiting!
Fafnir Drake Gallente Boob Heads Phoenix Supremacy	Posted - 2007.05.08 02:50:00 - [17] I would have given the isk back. Laugh alone is worth 39 mil isk. Seriously tho, rats popping him is one thing, but podding him as well is not a good idea. Makes less people pay up because they think they will die anyways . ------ "A wise man once told me never to argue with an idiot. They will bring you down to their level, and then beat you with experience."
Ladyah Liandri VMF-214 Blacksheep	Posted - 2007.05.08 08:17:00 - [18] Originally by: Fafnir Drake Seriously tho, rats popping him is one thing, but podding him as well is not a good idea. Makes less people pay up because they think they will die anyways . Nope. Next time he'll pay as soon as his structure gets scratched. And podding afterwards sounds reasonable to me if you want him off local. Good job!
Ladyah Liandri VMF-214 Blacksheep	Posted - 2007.05.08 08:21:00 - [19] Originally by: Militis Kolosok Podding may have been harsh, he did pay Otherwise, lol Different story if you ask me. He got ransomed for his ship, payed, case closed. He then appears in a Pod without my intervention - new case opened. The only thing I am asking myself is this: why didn't you ransom his Pod?
murder one Gallente Death of Virtue Vigilance Infinitas	Posted - 2007.05.08 12:58:00 - [20] Originally by: Yonneh Well.. Another day.. another noob to kill.. I chase a Kessy around and finnaly snab him.. /me Evilgrin Moments later he returns in a Harb demanding for a scrap, fair play.. So in i go and the battle begins, Curse > Harb = Z0mg capwtf? So hes in structure and he bagins to haggle for a ransom, i say 39mil and the lower into structure he gets the higher the ammount hes willing to pay gets So finnally he pays with almost no structure left and i then leave (Tyvm have a fantastic day), next thing i know the rats in the belt kill him.. Almost cried of laughter but he wanted his ransom back.. and blamed me for killing him, me?! So i send him on his way, clone style.. Gf tho.. It's your fault for not using spellcheck and employing too much 'leetspeak' (Z0mg capwtf? <--?!). And his fault for being an idiot and losing two ships, and a pod, and doing it in a belt, with rats, and being lame and taking too long. But that still doesn't make up for your use of leetspeak. Because I said so...
Yonneh CRICE Corporation	Posted - 2007.05.08 14:54:00 - [21] RwarR.. 1'm 4 1337 *****R!
Kirex Gallente Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2007.05.09 03:59:00 - [22] Originally by: jbob2000 I would've refunded half and said the NPCs took the other half. rofl...I was going to say give it all back, but this wins. :P Click above for my killboard stats.
Frances Ducoir Academy of Decadence	Posted - 2007.05.09 09:11:00 - [23] Originally by: Yonneh Well.. Another day.. another noob to kill.. I chase a Kessy around and finnaly snab him.. /me Evilgrin Moments later he returns in a Harb demanding for a scrap, fair play.. So in i go and the battle begins, Curse > Harb = Z0mg capwtf? So hes in structure and he bagins to haggle for a ransom, i say 39mil and the lower into structure he gets the higher the ammount hes willing to pay gets So finnally he pays with almost no structure left and i then leave (Tyvm have a fantastic day), next thing i know the rats in the belt kill him.. Almost cried of laughter but he wanted his ransom back.. and blamed me for killing him, me?! So i send him on his way, clone style.. Gf tho.. great idea to admit on the forums that you don't honour ransoms (podkill). applause realy good for business.
Drasked North Face Force Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.05.09 10:06:00 - [24] Originally by: Frances Ducoir Originally by: Yonneh Well.. Another day.. another noob to kill.. I chase a Kessy around and finnaly snab him.. /me Evilgrin Moments later he returns in a Harb demanding for a scrap, fair play.. So in i go and the battle begins, Curse > Harb = Z0mg capwtf? So hes in structure and he bagins to haggle for a ransom, i say 39mil and the lower into structure he gets the higher the ammount hes willing to pay gets So finnally he pays with almost no structure left and i then leave (Tyvm have a fantastic day), next thing i know the rats in the belt kill him.. Almost cried of laughter but he wanted his ransom back.. and blamed me for killing him, me?! So i send him on his way, clone style.. Gf tho.. great idea to admit on the forums that you don't honour ransoms (podkill). applause realy good for business. Could you point me to the part where it says the victim payed for the pod? thanks.
Nines Tslaruk Minmatar North Face Force Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.05.09 11:02:00 - [25] Edited by: Nines Tslaruk on 09/05/2007 10:58:17 Low sec belt piracy? ------------------- NFF Recruitment http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=465085
deathforge The Accursed	Posted - 2007.05.09 11:28:00 - [26] Originally by: Liang Nuren I'd have kept the isk, because he should have paid faster. Yep. And by the way, I rule you. ---------------------- Jerk + 122k skillpoints + Determination = Rifter of DoomÖ
DarkElf Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.05.09 12:23:00 - [27] I would have returned the isk. the isk is paid for his ability to leave that belt, because of ur actions he has not been able to leave that belt. therefore the agreement was not fulfilled. also why did you pod him? did he ask you to? DE
Yonneh CRICE Corporation	Posted - 2007.05.09 13:00:00 - [28] Originally by: DarkElf I would have returned the isk. the isk is paid for his ability to leave that belt, because of ur actions he has not been able to leave that belt. therefore the agreement was not fulfilled. also why did you pod him? did he ask you to? I unscramed him and left, my part in this tale was over the secong i was out of that belt, the fact that he died had nothing to do with me, just him being numb. No he didnt ask me to pod him, he was being rude towards me and well, he deserved it..
Kirex Gallente Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2007.05.09 13:23:00 - [29] Originally by: Yonneh Originally by: DarkElf I would have returned the isk. the isk is paid for his ability to leave that belt, because of ur actions he has not been able to leave that belt. therefore the agreement was not fulfilled. also why did you pod him? did he ask you to? I unscramed him and left, my part in this tale was over the secong i was out of that belt, the fact that he died had nothing to do with me, just him being numb. No he didnt ask me to pod him, he was being rude towards me and well, he deserved it.. Well you shoot him down to 1% hull, he pays you isk to live, you unscram him, then seconds later rats kill him. I would be pretty mad if that happened to me, surly you can see why he would be angry... Click above for my killboard stats.
Yonneh CRICE Corporation	Posted - 2007.05.09 13:54:00 - [30] 1%? When did i say 1% mmkaitnx He had atleast 10% left when i warped out.
DarkElf Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.05.09 14:25:00 - [31] Very bad form. the npc's popping him is questionable. I would have returned it but many wouldn't so no judgement from me on that but podding him and still not returning the ransom is pretty low. not impressive DE
Amber Saint Genos Occidere Fatal Persuasion	Posted - 2007.05.10 01:02:00 - [32] Yeah, would most likely have returned the isk. Depends on how long he stayed in the belt afterwards, if he tried to warp out within 10 sec and the rats popped him before that, then yeah i would have returned the isk. Altho if he stayed for some time in the belt its his own fault. But i would NEVER have popped his pod. If he payed up, he did, its because of guys like you ppl stop paying ransoms.
Kirex Gallente Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2007.05.10 01:05:00 - [33] Im curious, does your CEO approve of this? Would be interesting to hear what he has to say. Click above for my killboard stats.
Vactet Immortalis Silens	Posted - 2007.05.10 01:37:00 - [34] Funny story, but also disappointing. People used to pay ransoms. Partly because A)Folks honored them. B)They werent insanely priced. Im not saying yours was insanely priced by the way. But yeh, its when folks like you do what you do that make it harder for the rest of us to get ransom. I always prefer to ransom, but it gets annoying when i keep getting "F* YOU!" responses. I caught a guy the other day in a fully T2 fitted Rupture (Not..sure..why?). I was in a ferox just looking to loose the ship for the insurance, so it was very cheaply fitted. had him locked down and sitting at 50% structure with nos's on him. I then had a friend come in (who was waiting nearby) and scan him...ship and cargo. He had 1400mm Arty II's in his cargo (Guess he got in on a ship kill prior?). I asked him to pay 25M (I was in a nice mood for once). His response "F* YOU!" So i poped the ship and then took what little loot remained (Only 1 of the arties survived). Anyways point being... They pay you? They just bought a get out of jail free, do not get reamed, card. So...leave em be. And as for the whole rat situation. I would have flat out told him that if he had been quicker to agree to your price that wouldnt have occured (Future lesson). But yeh..going back for his pod, bad form. Delivering the kick to the jaw of society to stop it from drooling on itself like the ignorant slop it is since 1984. Originally by: CCP Sharkbait we are screwed.
Quillan Rage E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.05.10 11:22:00 - [35] You should have returned half the money so that he could buy an intellignce implant, which may then stop him going 1v1 with a curse in the future...
Arwen Ariniel Gallente Shaolin Legacy	Posted - 2007.05.10 14:20:00 - [36] Gratz Yonneh, Well done ;) More ppl should ransom the ships and not only the pod (some pirates are silly enough to think everyone goes down to lowsec with 1 billion implants in their head). Shouldn't have podded him tho. Leaving yourself and leaving him rambling like an idiot in local would have shown you were the master
Ria Denas PERKONE Industies	Posted - 2007.05.10 16:14:00 - [37] Originally by: Yonneh Well.. Another day.. another noob to kill.. I chase a Kessy around and finnaly snab him.. /me Evilgrin Moments later he returns in a Harb demanding for a scrap, fair play.. So in i go and the battle begins, Curse > Harb = Z0mg capwtf? So hes in structure and he bagins to haggle for a ransom, i say 39mil and the lower into structure he gets the higher the ammount hes willing to pay gets So finnally he pays with almost no structure left and i then leave (Tyvm have a fantastic day), next thing i know the rats in the belt kill him.. Almost cried of laughter but he wanted his ransom back.. and blamed me for killing him, me?! So i send him on his way, clone style.. Gf tho.. What happened to his loot and wreak ????????????
Arekhon Mutually Assured Distraction	Posted - 2007.05.11 07:28:00 - [38] i too would have given the isk back...since as others have said it was your actions, or mine in that situation that led to his getting popped. proud member of [BEES] my thoughts and ideas represent your corp
Gaia Thorn Infestation.	Posted - 2007.05.11 11:43:00 - [39] well for me it's pretty clear tbh. He prolonged the payment. He was let go once he had payed. He made the concius desicion to wait until he was almost dead to pay. I wouldnt pay him the isk since you keept up your side of the bargain. You didnt destroy his ship, if after you left npc or hell even a player then pops it not your problem. However the pod should be included in the price if you ask me. Even if he was trash talking you in local.
Yonneh CRICE Corporation	Posted - 2007.05.11 21:34:00 - [40] Lol, after he poped he sat in the belt for a good 10 mins, just ***ing at me.. So *****s yeah im not just gona sit there and take that, i didnt plan on poding him, but if hes gona be talking trash like that then hes gona get it, Simple. This was intended to be a funny story, aprove or dont, your call, but i'd do it again in the same situation...
Elspeth Vigneron Caldari Phoenix Logistics Industries	Posted - 2007.05.11 21:56:00 - [41] Originally by: Yonneh Well.. Another day.. another noob to kill.. I chase a Kessy around and finnaly snab him.. /me Evilgrin Moments later he returns in a Harb demanding for a scrap, fair play.. So in i go and the battle begins, Curse > Harb = Z0mg capwtf? So hes in structure and he bagins to haggle for a ransom, i say 39mil and the lower into structure he gets the higher the ammount hes willing to pay gets So finnally he pays with almost no structure left and i then leave (Tyvm have a fantastic day), next thing i know the rats in the belt kill him.. Almost cried of laughter but he wanted his ransom back.. and blamed me for killing him, me?! So i send him on his way, clone style.. Gf tho.. I don't get why he'd be angry. He came LOOKING for you. He lost. I'm not much into PvP in Eve because it's lamely deterministic, but when I do something stupid like that, I don't whine. Phoenix Logistics Industries
Blind Man Kemono.	Posted - 2007.05.11 22:02:00 - [42] his own stupid fault
DarkElf Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.05.12 01:44:00 - [43] Originally by: Yonneh Lol, after he poped he sat in the belt for a good 10 mins, just ***ing at me.. So *****s yeah im not just gona sit there and take that, i didnt plan on poding him, but if hes gona be talking trash like that then hes gona get it, Simple. This was intended to be a funny story, aprove or dont, your call, but i'd do it again in the same situation... i don't blame u for being annoyed at someone trash talking you but u accepting payment for letting him go and then afterwards podded him without returning the ransom, therefore u dishonoured a ransom. now if this is ur chosen play style then by all means continue and do what gives u the most fun out of eve but don't try to sugar coat it. basically u do not honor ur ransoms and lets leave it at that. DE
Pelendava	Posted - 2007.05.12 03:57:00 - [44] I would've asked him for the killmail.
Yonneh CRICE Corporation	Posted - 2007.05.12 18:12:00 - [45] Dark, i always honor my ransoms, i always honor 1v1's and arranged combats, im not a 'bad' pirate.. And i told him to look at the Km, since i ddint get it..
DarkElf Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.05.12 20:31:00 - [46] Originally by: Yonneh Dark, i always honor my ransoms, i always honor 1v1's and arranged combats, im not a 'bad' pirate.. And i told him to look at the Km, since i ddint get it.. u got his pod mail. i'll say again that the rats killing ships thing and not returning that ransom is questionable. whether u return it or not is your call and i wouldn't say it's bad either way. But, you accepted money to give him his safety, podded him and didn't return the isk. and that is not honoring a ransom i'm afraid. DE
Vanna Kjyshy	Posted - 2007.05.16 11:54:00 - [47] I never pay ransoms. Mainly because there is no honor or binding contract that will prevent someone from podding/destroying your ship AFTER you pay the ransom. That money would be better spent on re-fitting a new ship.
Kelban Kevar	Posted - 2007.05.16 21:15:00 - [48] i would have gave the isk back....but then again i would have poped the npc's before they poped him....when taking a ransom your supposed to be honor bound too see that nothing eles happens to the victim in front of ya,if this means tackling npc's or other players so be it my be a pirate but that doesnt mean im with out a moral compass.also since he was fairly new 5 mill would have did just fine...when you cross over these lines you descent in to the class of greif players,were all here to play,and that doesnt mean ruining ppl's fun with eve...for if they all leave you'll be playing with yaself.
Nyck Not Your Common Killers	Posted - 2007.05.17 13:29:00 - [49] Had this happen once. Warped in, scrammed Moa. Tried ransoming when I got him into armor. He stalled all the way down to 33% structure. He pays up, (4 mil) I let him go and warp out. The npc's pop him. After some debate, I finally gave him back 2 mil, which he promptly put on my head for bounty. I laughed. I wouldn't have podded the poor guy, even with the smack. He payed up.
Mazzy Star Turbulent	Posted - 2007.05.17 15:10:00 - [50] In my experience if you plan on ransoming someone you need to take steps to ensure that any rats don't pop him. Either leave them with enough shield/armor/structure to continue taking a bit of rat damage (until one or both of you are gone) or kill the rats once the opponent has been disabled. You essentially need to "protect" your victim once you have defeated him. -If you warp out after getting the ransom and THEN he gets popped it's on him. -If he pays and then pops like 5 seconds later cause of the rats and you're both just sitting there then imo the ransom should be returned. In any case, podding him for demanding his ransom back is unbelievably lame. If you haven't already, you should give his ransom back. I would have returned this guy's ransom isk without a second thought. --------------------------------- ♫♪♪♫♪♫♫♪♫♪
Ja'kar Templar Securities and Holdings	Posted - 2007.05.18 00:38:00 - [51] yup - have to agree I mean he could just sent a convo What u did was right... Mind u if u did take his ransom and pop him I would still say its right... Why cos its piracy and there r no rules only player style, and some ppl got a lot of style...

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