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Sokratesz
Paradox v2.0
1 Shot 1 Kill
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Posted - 2007.05.08 14:29:00 -
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 Originally by: Janu Hull
Edited by: Janu Hull on 08/05/2007 14:18:17
Ok, so you can't build capitals in Revelations high sec, what prevents them from jumping in?
Something about concord and the Yulai convention.
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Akkarin Pagan
Minmatar
Raddick Explorations
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2007.05.08 14:34:00 -
[32]
Originally by: Sokratesz
Originally by: Janu Hull
Edited by: Janu Hull on 08/05/2007 14:18:17
Ok, so you can't build capitals in Revelations high sec, what prevents them from jumping in?
Something about concord and the Yulai convention.
Actually the fact that capitals are too large to use jump gates (except freighters) and you can't generate a cyno field in <0.5
Akkarin
Hopefully the mods won't play with this one
<3 - Immy
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Sieges
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Posted - 2007.05.08 14:42:00 -
[33]
Originally by: Chribba
Originally by: Sokratesz
with expanders and cargo rigs that thing can do some serious AFk mining. I doubt one T2 laser can fill the hold between downtimes 
3x MDCMII's + Veldspar Crystals fills my 77,003 cargo in about 4 hours 
Wow. That is a fast fill-up and huge cargo hold.
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Twilight Moon
Minmatar
Malicious Intentions
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.05.08 15:09:00 -
[34]
Originally by: Sokratesz
Originally by: Chribba
Originally by: Sokratesz
with expanders and cargo rigs that thing can do some serious AFk mining. I doubt one T2 laser can fill the hold between downtimes
3x MDCMII's + Veldspar Crystals fills my 77,003 cargo in about 4 hours
Howmuch isk does that turn into?
A "massive" half a million ISK. do you even cover the cost of burnt out crystals Chribba?
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Aversin
Gallente
JUDGE DREAD Inc.
Forces of Freedom
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Posted - 2007.05.08 15:47:00 -
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Originally by: Twilight Moon
Originally by: Sokratesz
Originally by: Chribba
Originally by: Sokratesz
with expanders and cargo rigs that thing can do some serious AFk mining. I doubt one T2 laser can fill the hold between downtimes
3x MDCMII's + Veldspar Crystals fills my 77,003 cargo in about 4 hours
Howmuch isk does that turn into?
A "massive" half a million ISK. do you even cover the cost of burnt out crystals Chribba?
Assuming he is mining dense veldspar and not standard that should be 770,030 dense veldspar, which translates into 2,543,642 trit every 4 hours. I am not up on trit prices but assuming 2.3 per unit that is 5,850,376.6 isk.
Originally by: Razner Cerizo
They will never quit. The beatings will continue until morale improves.
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ry ry
StateCorp
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Posted - 2007.05.08 15:50:00 -
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but i make more than that ratting. that can't be right.
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Sokratesz
Paradox v2.0
1 Shot 1 Kill
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Posted - 2007.05.08 16:09:00 -
[37]
Edited by: Sokratesz on 08/05/2007 16:05:29
Originally by: Akkarin Pagan
Actually the fact that capitals are too large to use jump gates (except freighters) and you can't generate a cyno field in <0.5
Akkarin
Doh. Try to open a cyno in highsec and look at the message you get. I was trying to be cryptically funny but it failed apparantly.
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Janu Hull
Caldari
Order of Z Industries
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Posted - 2007.05.08 16:10:00 -
[38]
Originally by: Aversin
Originally by: Twilight Moon
Originally by: Sokratesz
Originally by: Chribba
Originally by: Sokratesz
with expanders and cargo rigs that thing can do some serious AFk mining. I doubt one T2 laser can fill the hold between downtimes
3x MDCMII's + Veldspar Crystals fills my 77,003 cargo in about 4 hours
Howmuch isk does that turn into?
A "massive" half a million ISK. do you even cover the cost of burnt out crystals Chribba?
Assuming he is mining dense veldspar and not standard that should be 770,030 dense veldspar, which translates into 2,543,642 trit every 4 hours. I am not up on trit prices but assuming 2.3 per unit that is 5,850,376.6 isk.
You're in a respectable range on that guess.
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Rhaegor Stormborn
Sturmgrenadier Inc
R i s e
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Posted - 2007.05.08 16:11:00 -
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How can anything that is so easy for CCP to fix be deemed an exploit? Don't put the responsibility on players to know vague obscure rules. It is CCP's responsibility and their problem to deal with. It is our job as players to push the world which we are given by the developers to its very edge and get the most benefit out of our play-time.
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icmp
Caldari
Screaming Fist
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Posted - 2007.05.08 16:14:00 -
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I am pretty sure that BoB does have a carrier (an Archon, I believe) in Agil. I haven't seen it personally, but I was chatting with a corpmate while he was in Agil staring at it.
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Agent Li
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Posted - 2007.05.08 16:17:00 -
[41]
Originally by: General Xerxes
Edited by: General Xerxes on 07/05/2007 18:48:01
Edited by: General Xerxes on 07/05/2007 18:47:04
Originally by: Tradesman Mcgee
Even your Dreadnaught cant stand up to the might of Concord.
Can too! I've seen a video of Chribba doing it on SiSi.
You can tank them indefinately with a constant supply of cap charges and clathrates. Not very useful but still possible.
Edit: Deitalicified
Edit2: I can't spell .
And how will your Dread tank the mods deleting your ship from the database? If you're meant to die by CONCORD, and you somehow tank it, they delete your ship.
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SiJira
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Posted - 2007.05.08 17:42:00 -
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Originally by: Agent Li
Originally by: General Xerxes
Edited by: General Xerxes on 07/05/2007 18:48:01
Edited by: General Xerxes on 07/05/2007 18:47:04
Originally by: Tradesman Mcgee
Even your Dreadnaught cant stand up to the might of Concord.
Can too! I've seen a video of Chribba doing it on SiSi.
You can tank them indefinately with a constant supply of cap charges and clathrates. Not very useful but still possible.
Edit: Deitalicified
Edit2: I can't spell.
And how will your Dread tank the mods deleting your ship from the database? If you're meant to die by CONCORD, and you somehow tank it, they delete your ship.
well thats hardly fair
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Janu Hull
Caldari
Order of Z Industries
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Posted - 2007.05.08 17:51:00 -
[43]
Originally by: SiJira
Originally by: Agent Li
Originally by: General Xerxes
Edited by: General Xerxes on 07/05/2007 18:48:01
Edited by: General Xerxes on 07/05/2007 18:47:04
Originally by: Tradesman Mcgee
Even your Dreadnaught cant stand up to the might of Concord.
Can too! I've seen a video of Chribba doing it on SiSi.
You can tank them indefinately with a constant supply of cap charges and clathrates. Not very useful but still possible.
Edit: Deitalicified
Edit2: I can't spell.
And how will your Dread tank the mods deleting your ship from the database? If you're meant to die by CONCORD, and you somehow tank it, they delete your ship.
well thats hardly fair
When was EVE ever fair to anyone? The cards are always stacked in favor of the house.
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SiJira
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Posted - 2007.05.08 18:39:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Janu Hull
Originally by: SiJira
Originally by: Agent Li
Originally by: General Xerxes
And how will your Dread tank the mods deleting your ship from the database? If you're meant to die by CONCORD, and you somehow tank it, they delete your ship.
well thats hardly fair
When was EVE ever fair to anyone? The cards are always stacked in favor of the house.
if you can tank em you tanked em - your ship doesnt get to magically dissapear
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Standard Deviation
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Posted - 2007.05.08 18:44:00 -
[45]
If you guys want to complain about a carrier in agil,
Have someone killed by it send the killmail to CCP.
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Janu Hull
Caldari
Order of Z Industries
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Posted - 2007.05.08 18:55:00 -
[46]
Originally by: SiJira
Originally by: Janu Hull
Originally by: SiJira
Originally by: Agent Li
Originally by: General Xerxes
And how will your Dread tank the mods deleting your ship from the database? If you're meant to die by CONCORD, and you somehow tank it, they delete your ship.
well thats hardly fair
When was EVE ever fair to anyone? The cards are always stacked in favor of the house.
if you can tank em you tanked em - your ship doesnt get to magically dissapear
Magically disappear, what makes it any different whether it magically disappears in a haze of spontaneously spawned ubercops or from the stroke of a key on a database manager's keyboard?
CONCORD, as I see them, are CCP giving high sec gankers enough rope to hang themselves with. Rather than straight metagame high sec into an artificially maintained zero-pvp arena to avoid screwing with the wardec system, they created a somewhat organic system to moderate for them.
Really, you'd think their policy that surviving CONCORD is an exploit would be a little ping on the clue-o-meter that maybe they don't want you ganking where they have their security measures in place.
But, people are stubborn and they think fighting the system is their way of being rebellious and 'sticking it to the man', and you get the nerf bat and CONCORD upgrades to keep ahead of the arms race.
The reality is, if people keep ganking freighters, if they find a way to bypass the new upgrades they're putting in, the old standby is just to make freighters unlootable again.
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Blind Man
Kemono.
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Posted - 2007.05.08 19:08:00 -
[47]
Edited by: Blind Man on 08/05/2007 19:04:15
Originally by: Rhaegor Stormborn
It is our job as players to push the world which we are given by the developers to its very edge and get the most benefit out of our play-time.
I so wish that was true 
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Steph Wing
Gallente
The Graduates
Ivy League
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Posted - 2007.05.08 19:37:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Chribba
Using a capital ship located in 0.5+ in PVP has been deemed a bannable offence by GMs, so unless you want to risk your account getting banned I would suggest you do not take your shiny capital into PVP regardless its capability to tank Concord.
Interesting. I assume said high-sec capship can still fire back in self-defense if engaged during war?
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Verite Rendition
Caldari
AUS Corporation
CORE.
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Posted - 2007.05.08 19:47:00 -
[49]
Edited by: Verite Rendition on 08/05/2007 19:43:52
Originally by: Steph Wing
Originally by: Chribba
Using a capital ship located in 0.5+ in PVP has been deemed a bannable offence by GMs, so unless you want to risk your account getting banned I would suggest you do not take your shiny capital into PVP regardless its capability to tank Concord.
Interesting. I assume said high-sec capship can still fire back in self-defense if engaged during war?
I'd say you've have to be pretty nuts/stupid to even take one out during a war. It's not like you can replace it if you lose it...
Note to self: Form fleet to wipe out all LSAAs still left in high-sec
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Kristal Dream
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Posted - 2007.05.12 10:58:00 -
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ok Let me put some myths to rest here. Carriers and Dread production in empire is big buisness. How do I know. Because I produce them in a .5 system my self to the toon of 6 ships per week. Under stand that there are a lot of carriers in high sec scattered around. Selling a carrier in high sec is no real threat to the corps pos that build it in high sec. A carrier cannot attack a pos. Dreads on the other hand are a diffrent story. I for one would never sell a dread in my high sec system. as it would give some one a tool thay could use against my empire capital ship pos. So in short Dreads jump to low sec and sell Carriers sell in highsec. I too have been warned that any engagment with concord in a capital ship dread or carrier is a 3 day ban and your cap ship is moved to low sec. that said I have been told that pos engagments in highsec with cap ships is ok. as concord does not respond to pos agressions in high sec. you can shoot at a pos all you like wiht no wardec and concord will not do anything about it. this means that poses in high sec where there are no dreads makes a large tower prety much indistructuable. Dreads are good at one thing, POS warfare. thay suck at pvp unless there fireing at a carrier or have a huge suport fleet webing and target painting there targets.
Again there are lots of Cap ships in High sec. I know I build them there, and it is a damn profitable buisness.
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.05.12 11:25:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Kristal Dream
Selling a carrier in high sec is no real threat to the corps pos that build it in high sec. A carrier cannot attack a pos. Dreads on the other hand are a diffrent story.
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I too have been warned that any engagment with concord in a capital ship dread or carrier is a 3 day ban and your cap ship is moved to low sec. that said I have been told that pos engagments in highsec with cap ships is ok. as concord does not respond to pos agressions in high sec. you can shoot at a pos all you like wiht no wardec and concord will not do anything about it.
Old data from what I read. Now CONCORD respond to POS aggression in high sec, even if there is a warcec on.
It was fixed some patch ago.
Evennbefore, it your POS was attacked you could petition it under harassement and get a GM ro replenish your shields and warn the attackers.
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SiJira
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Posted - 2007.05.12 14:35:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Janu Hull
Really, you'd think their policy that surviving CONCORD is an exploit would be a little ping on the clue-o-meter that maybe they don't want you ganking where they have their security measures in place.
But, people are stubborn and they think fighting the system is their way of being rebellious and 'sticking it to the man', and you get the nerf bat and CONCORD upgrades to keep ahead of the arms race.
The reality is, if people keep ganking freighters, if they find a way to bypass the new upgrades they're putting in, the old standby is just to make freighters unlootable again.
wrangler himself said that ganking is ok
they dont get to survive concord and its a suitable risk/reward - they know what they were doing when they fixed freighter loot
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Xiu Ju
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Posted - 2007.05.12 15:04:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Rhaegor Stormborn
It is our job as players to push the world which we are given by the developers to its very edge and get the most benefit out of our play-time.
To an extent yes that is out jobs as players but on the other side if we get to much fun out of it the devs/gms give us a smack with the nerf bat or ban hammer >.<
I wish that if dreads could tank concord that they could go on highsec rampages, take a look at criminals. If they get away with murder or robbing a bank, god just doesn't come down with a giant flyswatter now does he?
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