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Maugrem Moorgraves
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.05.08 00:20:00 -
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Weird, it sounds like I'm reading a post about emain ;) Equus, were the milegates not just pure love as a stealther ;)
Good to see the zerg is still strong in other online communities.
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SiJira
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Posted - 2007.05.08 00:44:00 -
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i really hope you dont quit over this
you see - by leaving when you cant find your small gang teams you only let the blobs grow in number
you are causing the evil spiral of blob increase !!
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Farrellus Cameron
Sturmgrenadier Inc
R i s e
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Posted - 2007.05.08 00:47:00 -
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First off, would your four man gang have passed on the opportunity to kill a solitary ship passing through your gate camp? I find it highly unlikely. 4 vs. 1 would be ganking or blobbing or whatever you want to call it, so you would've been guilty of the same conduct. Would have only attacked another four man gang so that it would only have been "fair and honorable" combat?
Second, this game takes plenty of skill, but you are confusing "skill" with "skillpoints, isk, and the basic knowledge of how your mods work." Skill is being able to counter the tactics of your enemies. In this case, being able to counter blob tactics. Guess what? You can. I've seen it dozens of times. Smaller gangs ripping big gangs apart with superior tactics. Yes, people who blob have no skill either, but sitting around in big fat ships that are sitting ducks is not skill either.
You basically approached gate camping like you were playing WoW. The four of you bought some of the biggest regular combat ships around, outfitted them with some of the best equipment, and sat on a gate or travelled around waiting for a "duel." That's how people fight in WoW, and other MMOs. Getting the best equipment and going to duel or battlegrounds or whatever. EVE is a free-for-all, and having skillpoints and isk is not enough. You reference your skillpoints like that means anything in regard to your actual combat skill. It doesn't.
In EVE you need real combat tactics. I'm not talking about knowing what mods to equip or when to turn them on, and having the skillpoints to use the best stuff. I'm talking hit & run, maneuverability, splitting up the enemy, leading them into traps, etc. You know, the stuff that's done in real combat. In EVE the biggest ships are also the fattest targets because they are slow and often can't escape. Smaller ships are less powerful, but they can escape blobs and use hit & run techniques. You have to weigh firepower vs. maneuverability, and that's one of many issues you have to weigh in terms of what tactics to apply. Its not as simple as "scram, web, pwn."
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Wendat Huron
Lupus Industries
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Posted - 2007.05.08 01:00:00 -
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 Originally by: Constantine Arcanum
WHY IS EVERYONE ON THE EVE-ONLINE FORUMS A COMPLETE BASTARD?
Some people deem the boards PvP also and so desperately want to own that they kill everything that spawns here with smartass comments that's neither here nor there.
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Marquis Dean
Energy.
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Posted - 2007.05.08 01:06:00 -
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Constantine made me chuckle.
I'll miss you Tista. Even though you don't like me, I secretly like you cause you're brave enough to post this stuff and actually defend it. Good on you.
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Originally by: korrey
Marquis I have to admit, without you there wouldn't be much laughter in these forums.
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Carch
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.05.08 01:22:00 -
[66]
youll be back
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SiJira
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Posted - 2007.05.08 01:32:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Carch
youll be back
what if he isnt  *gasp*
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Dark Kavar
Caldari
Aionios Diadochi
The Makhai
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Posted - 2007.05.08 01:46:00 -
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Originally by: Hyldabrand
Originally by: Tista
...whine...
20 vs 4 is a lost battle before it begins you shouldn't have engaged and deserved to die. Take your losses and move on...no use airing them out here on the forums....it just makes you look stupid.
As for the enyo, you could petition it but let's be honest...the timer wasn't really gone so no use slanting the story.
Have you ever actually had a criminal countdown? Guess not becuase you would know that you have to wait another 5 minutes or so otherwise sentries will still shoot at you and reset your criminal countdown.
Kind of like the Triforce in Zelda, only not quite as potent.
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Kevin Grifth
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Posted - 2007.05.08 02:39:00 -
[69]
post on main or give me your stuff 
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Earthan
Gallente
The Absolutely Amazing Fire Eaters
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Posted - 2007.05.08 04:56:00 -
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Originally by: hantwo
Originally by: Jenai'na
Edited by: Jenai''na on 07/05/2007 20:49:34
hate to tell you but even has always been the bigger blob wins. 4 years ago as well as today.
ok, today it is who has more cap ships.
very rarely and very few people can pull of the "against all odds" fights.
as to bullying.. 30m skill points sounds to me like you would normally do the bullying but today the table was turned.
have a beer, train a long skill and come back in a few days or so :)
works wonders :)
says the 2007 player 
Actually the op is right, many old players have become bored with the game because of blob / fleet warfare. And there was days of old when highly skilled pilots could kill large numbers of lesser skilled ppl, the original BoB v Goons was an example of this,
t2 v t1 diffrence was larger than now imho that and the hit point increase made it harder to chew thou t1 ships with ya t2 fitted ganka geddon.
And for all those ppl asking for the ops stuff 1, get an original quote and 2, play the game for 4 years and maybe you can understand the diffrence in the game.
to the op, CCP have promised some changes, i'm gonna wait and see how that pans out but atm CCP have balls this once great game up and i'm losing intrest.
Actually im very happy with the longer trend of battles, with hp boost etc.
And its more how it was in first period of Eve:)
I hated it when fight agaainst a gankougeddon lasted 5 secs.Or 10 if i was the winner.
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Kadrush
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Posted - 2007.05.08 04:59:00 -
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I think someone probably already said it, but...
Can I have your stuff?
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Tonkin
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.05.08 05:16:00 -
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Originally by: Tista
Right as far as eve goes.. im guna say its a pretty awesome game.. but today.. like every other day i was proved how poor the gameplay truely is.
You're all going to flame this thread like there is no tomorow.. but meh used to it now, as the population of eve are all a bunch of****s..
right, story goes like this.. was out in my 3 day old hyperion 350mils worth.. by a gate.. now usualy i would think that my hyperion is a pretty good ship.. full neutron gank fit etc etc.
4 of us on a gate, fairly high sp.. around 30mil sp each.. then... we got blobbed.. 20 ships vs 4... we managed to take down a megathron, a brutix, and a ferox.. and this is what eve comes down to.
There is no honour.. no tactic.. nothing.. just who has more guns than the other team... if you've ever played dawn of war eve basicly is.. the orcs.
" i got da biggest gunz... we gotz more boyz dan dem!"
Not even worth my time playing anymore.. skillpoints makes nothing differnce.. i have trained and played for near enough 4 years now and it's not worth it..
what makes it even worse.. once our 4 ships had been raped the foe then decided to jump in 2 carriers just to rub it in our faces.. finishing off our raven and abaddon pilots against 2 abaddons, 2 carriers.
Eve is the blob, the bullying tactic.. and it brings out the worst in people.. " i dont need to make a point i just have to get enough people to laugh".
There is no skill in this game anymore.. as you can never get a good 1v1 fight.
Yeah i am a bit angry and a bit ****ed at losing my hyperion but that is reason enough.
Now this.. was the icing on the cake.. got my enyo out and decided to engage a blackbird.. at a station.. fair does managed to get it into structure before leaving, then 15 minutes later just as my timer ends i warp back to the station just to get the famous " eve pc freeze up" where nothing works and eve completley ****es up my computer.. then my enyo pops from the sentrys.. after my timer is up.
I'm really quite ****ed off at this game right now since they keep changing it to better the blob.
ccp> " we want more fleet warefare"
Now is it just me or is that complete *******s? as far as im aware eve is ment to be about doing what you want to do.. they are influencing the blob and making it harder and harder to play this game, ****ing on the little guy.
I give up.. can't be arsed to play eve anymore.. and before anyone asks you can't have my stuff cus i dont want to give it to you :)
dude where was your scout?
and you know when a fleet jumps in on ya are they going to say
"GUYS DONT SHOOT THERE IS ONLY 4 OF THEM"
if you found a small fleet and jump into them of course you going to kill them
WTF ARE U TAKING!!!!!!
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NOObbody
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.05.08 06:46:00 -
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Dont blame the game but blame your scout, if you had one at all...
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Laboratus
Gallente
BGG
League of Abnormal Gentlemen
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Posted - 2007.05.08 07:16:00 -
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Sry for your loss, but.
Eve is about smart pvp.
You need scouts, you need intel to know what is coming, when to engage, when not to.
You did decide, intentionally or not, to fight outnumbered 5:1...
2:1 is doable, 3:1 maybe, but 5:1 if you are not BE...
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Kainite M'alachi
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Posted - 2007.05.08 08:12:00 -
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its no fun to lose a ship but lets face it your being a bit of a hypocrite. you was gate camping so you felt that was ok to gank a lonley ship with 4 others with ure pew pew hype, but when something bigger came along and won you cried that it was unfair. As for "no honour.. no tactic.." well last i checked gate camping wasnt no samurai stand off with wits and skill, just big f'n guns and insta gank. If your looking for fun pvp why didnt you gang up frigs or af's and go hunting for a tough target? you probably would have ended up the same but it would be fun , would need tatics, and you know the victory would be sooo sweet. i hope you dont quit, everyone has set backs but you only really lose a fight when you give up completely, you could always go for revenge :)
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Nicole KholdStare
Gallente
kleptomaniacs
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Posted - 2007.05.08 08:55:00 -
[76]
lol....just lol...
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Karunel
Princeps Corp
YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.05.08 09:06:00 -
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The hipocrisy of this thread just hit me in the face and ripped the flesh away.
Does anyone know how to make angry faces with a skull? :-/
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Originally by: elbenito
The problem with large fleet engagements is that the hamsters stop to watch.
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DarkFenix
Caldari
Pilots Of Honour
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Posted - 2007.05.08 09:13:00 -
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You were asking to be popped. A 4 man gate camp with no scout? Please do let me know where your corp lives, I'm sure people in my corp would like some target practice.
Not so long ago I got ganked 10 vs 1 in my Rokh fully fitted with T2 425s etc, a setup at least as valuable as yours. I had even taken all available precautions to make sure I didn't get caught (scout etc.), but it made no difference. Did you find me whining about it on the forums? No.
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Father Shillelagh
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Posted - 2007.05.08 09:26:00 -
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TISTA, i totally agree with you. This game sucks right now. Its not about skill, its about BLOB.
And I agree with you on the eve community.. They ******* *******s that and eve brings out the worst in ppl evident by the amount of flames average joe gets for asking normal questions on the fourm.
I dont even log in anymore and soon Ill be stopping my sub after 1 year 7 months of continued play. And to anyone asking for my stuff, ill be reprocessing the lot and trashing it before id give it to any of you ****heads.
/ feels Tista discontent ;)
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Chewan Mesa
coracao ardente
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.05.08 09:29:00 -
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Originally by: Father Shillelagh
TISTA, i totally agree with you. This game sucks right now. Its not about skill, its about BLOB.
And I agree with you on the eve community.. They ******* *******s that and eve brings out the worst in ppl evident by the amount of flames average joe gets for asking normal questions on the fourm.
I dont even log in anymore and soon Ill be stopping my sub after 1 year 7 months of continued play. And to anyone asking for my stuff, ill be reprocessing the lot and trashing it before id give it to any of you ****heads.
/ feels Tista discontent ;)
o/
PS: If you are ****ed off with EVE, try not to read the forums anymore. Not EVE brings out the worst in people, the forums do.
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NightmareX
Caldari
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.05.08 09:34:00 -
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Edited by: NightmareX on 08/05/2007 09:31:42
If you know what you are doing at gates, and doing things right, you can't lose a ship.
So if you have played EVE for almost 4 years, then you absolutely should have known that you have to use scouts in the systems around the system you are camping.
There is a reason why i haven't lost a single ship except for maybe some few shuttles at gates to now, it's because i have only camped gates when we have used scouts.
And don't say that you got blobbed, because you guys was blobbing single players that was jumping into the gate you was camping.
But 4 vs 1 isn't actually blobbing in my eyes.
Infinitus Odium - We Are The Bringers Of Hatred |
Tista
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Posted - 2007.05.08 09:54:00 -
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meh.. just reminds me of school yard bullying.. or yer typical angry people.
And since there is no way to rally mass quantities of forces together unless you're in an alliance you're going to be taken down.
i wish ccp would fix teh blobbing.. i was the last one standing when my hyp went down and i was litteraly swarmed by over 60 drones.. i couldn't even see my ship.
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Originaly quoted by Shania Eria.
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Tista
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Posted - 2007.05.08 09:55:00 -
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Originally by: NightmareX
Edited by: NightmareX on 08/05/2007 09:39:31
If you know what you are doing at gates, and doing things right, you can't lose a ship.
So if you have played EVE for almost 4 years, then you absolutely should have known that you have to use scouts in the systems around the system you are camping.
There is a reason why i haven't lost a single ship except for maybe some few shuttles at gates to now, it's because i have only camped gates when we have used scouts.
And don't say that you got blobbed, because you guys was blobbing single players that was jumping into the gate you was camping, if you see it in that way.
Or 4 vs 1 isn't actually blobbing in my eyes.
good god.. don't you people read?
we wern't camping.. we moved to the gate to intercept the 5 that had come in after intel shouted.
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"this is the templar fighter used by carriers"
Originaly quoted by Shania Eria.
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NightmareX
Caldari
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.05.08 09:58:00 -
[84]
Originally by: Tista
Originally by: NightmareX
Edited by: NightmareX on 08/05/2007 09:39:31
If you know what you are doing at gates, and doing things right, you can't lose a ship.
So if you have played EVE for almost 4 years, then you absolutely should have known that you have to use scouts in the systems around the system you are camping.
There is a reason why i haven't lost a single ship except for maybe some few shuttles at gates to now, it's because i have only camped gates when we have used scouts.
And don't say that you got blobbed, because you guys was blobbing single players that was jumping into the gate you was camping, if you see it in that way.
Or 4 vs 1 isn't actually blobbing in my eyes.
good god.. don't you people read?
we wern't camping.. we moved to the gate to intercept the 5 that had come in after intel shouted.
Heh you got a point lol. Anyways, you should use scouts anyways, so you know if there is a fleet or something near you.
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Tista
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Posted - 2007.05.08 10:00:00 -
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mmm well it's a bit harsh when it's a blob.. but then once we were down our corpies were then jumped on by a pair of carriers... which was unseen.
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OneSock
PLuSQuAMPERFEkT iNc
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Posted - 2007.05.08 10:05:00 -
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Originally by: Tista
Most of the time i'm not even logged in.. i log in for maybe 30 minutes to an hour.. purley because when i do log in i'm either surrounded by more pilots than i can handle.. or i can't be assed to undock just to lose my ships.
Just to reiterate a point I've made in other threads. If you knocked a zero off the price of a ship, you'd undock without thinking about it.
Many players are risk averse because it takes so much game time to be able to afford a decent ship to PVP in. The grind is taking too much time for not enough reward. If ships are disposable, more people would just undock for a quick blast and might be less inclined to wait for a blob to form up. blobs are "safety in numbers" device afterall.
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Tista
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Posted - 2007.05.08 10:10:00 -
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Originally by: OneSock
Originally by: Tista
Most of the time i'm not even logged in.. i log in for maybe 30 minutes to an hour.. purley because when i do log in i'm either surrounded by more pilots than i can handle.. or i can't be assed to undock just to lose my ships.
Just to reiterate a point I've made in other threads. If you knocked a zero off the price of a ship, you'd undock without thinking about it.
Many players are risk averse because it takes so much game time to be able to afford a decent ship to PVP in. The grind is taking too much time for not enough reward. If ships are disposable, more people would just undock for a quick blast and might be less inclined to wait for a blob to form up. blobs are "safety in numbers" device afterall.
well then in theory... since ccp are the gods of logic and seem to nerf/boost things that have no explainable relevance to the thing that has an issue... they should therefore put a cap on ship prices...
Or alternativly give us some way of making isk that doesn't take up the best part of the day to do so.. i suggest a bank of some kind.
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"this is the templar fighter used by carriers"
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Neon Genesis
The Landed Gentry
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Posted - 2007.05.08 10:16:00 -
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Originally by: Tista
meh.. just reminds me of school yard bullying.. or yer typical angry people.
And since there is no way to rally mass quantities of forces together unless you're in an alliance you're going to be taken down.
i wish ccp would fix teh blobbing.. i was the last one standing when my hyp went down and i was litteraly swarmed by over 60 drones.. i couldn't even see my ship.
There's nothing to fix. You had poor intel and rushed into a dangerous situation. It was a trap and you died. If you've been playing for 4 years you must know that this is a distinct possibility when engaging anything, especially on a gate.
There are so many correct answers in this thread, but I don't think you want to hear it. Call us all trolls if that will make you happy.
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Raia Mortius
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Posted - 2007.05.08 10:22:00 -
[89]
Originally by: hantwo
Originally by: Jenai'na
Edited by: Jenai''na on 07/05/2007 20:49:34
hate to tell you but even has always been the bigger blob wins. 4 years ago as well as today.
ok, today it is who has more cap ships.
very rarely and very few people can pull of the "against all odds" fights.
as to bullying.. 30m skill points sounds to me like you would normally do the bullying but today the table was turned.
have a beer, train a long skill and come back in a few days or so :)
works wonders :)
says the 2007 player
Actually the op is right, many old players have become bored with the game because of blob / fleet warfare. And there was days of old when highly skilled pilots could kill large numbers of lesser skilled ppl, the original BoB v Goons was an example of this,
t2 v t1 diffrence was larger than now imho that and the hit point increase made it harder to chew thou t1 ships with ya t2 fitted ganka geddon.
And for all those ppl asking for the ops stuff 1, get an original quote and 2, play the game for 4 years and maybe you can understand the diffrence in the game.
to the op, CCP have promised some changes, i'm gonna wait and see how that pans out but atm CCP have balls this once great game up and i'm losing intrest.
sorry i ment to post with my main :(
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Tommy Vercetti
Queens of the Stone Age
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.05.08 10:28:00 -
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Originally by: Tista
There is no skill in this game anymore.. as you can never get a good 1v1 fight.
I'll agree with you partly that getting good small fights has been slowly getting harder and harder, however it isn't dead you just have to look hmore. I like to cruise solo a fair bit and there alot of targets, but you have to be willing to cross alot of systems and be patient. Maybe this wasn't the case 3-4 yrs ago (Only 1.5yrs old so I wouldn't know) but IMO the vets have a harder time dealing with this change than the 1-2 yr old pilots.
The blob problem is just something you gotta be willing to work around. Seems like you don't want to, fair enough if you don't have fun playing nemore than why bother, but don't give up thinking that no-blobbing fights are dead.
That enyo kill is bad luck i'm afraid. Had similar stuff happen to me like as soon as I engage Eve CTD's. It's annoying, you want to throw things at the screen but maybe just cool off for a while and take a break from eve. Most of the ppl ive talked to who want to quit take a break, then they come back in, join a new corp and have a bucketload of fun.
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