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AegriSomnia Caldari Aegis Incorporated	Posted - 2007.05.07 20:38:00 - [1] Are the differences between the Brutix and the Myrmidon REALLY worth 12 million ISK (give or take a mill, depending on the system you're in ) ? I just cant seem to justify it, but I haven't flown either one. Any pilots out there have xp with BOTH ships wanna help me on this one?
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.07 20:41:00 - [2] Edited by: Rod Blaine on 07/05/2007 20:38:07 Ive got BC lvl 5, and am mostly specced in gallente. I considered flying a brutix, for about ten seconds. The myrmydon on the other hand, looks like a fairly decent ship to me. Worth having a few lying around of to hop into when you need something quick and easy for small/med gang warfare. [center] Old blog
Ghostshadow Templars of Space CORE.	Posted - 2007.05.07 20:49:00 - [3] myrmidon can build a tank to rival, or even out do lot of battleships. All while outdamageing a brutix. ____________________________________________ A * B = C A = Skill Points B = GPA C = a Constant. Guess what happens to B as A increases.
n0thing Northern Intelligence Artificial Intelligence.	Posted - 2007.05.07 20:53:00 - [4] Only bad thing about Myrmi is that if it wants DPS it has to use heavy drones and they can be a good target for smaller ships. Thus Brutix here can take more beating, while Myrmi may actually be without any damage after first failed or half-failed fight. ---
Lucifer Fellblade Ore Mongers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.05.07 21:10:00 - [5] Simple answer: Yes. Long answer: The Myrm has only one less turret slot than the brutix, the damage difference between heavy drones (with the bonus) and medium drones (without bonus) more than makes up for that extra turret. The myrm has more of everything compared to the brutix other than the highslots, more mids give loaaads of new tactical options and more lows give a stronger tank (or more gank if your using guns in the highs). The main advantage of the Myrm is the fact that it's damage comes from drones, which means you can fit a rack of nos in the highs if you so desire, this means that you can sustain a dual rep tank without using any boosters at all while your enemy has cap, and while he doesn't have cap, he's not tanking, so he'll be dead way before you run out. Now on the subject of drones, myrm will usually be orbiting at the closest range possible which allows you to scoop drones before they die if your quick enough on the trigger, coupled with a damp for slower locking on the drones again this gives them much more survivability. Brutix doesn't really have any more tactical options apart from sit close and hope you can break his tank before he breaks yours. I love my Myrm, <3. ------
AegriSomnia Caldari Aegis Incorporated	Posted - 2007.05.07 21:12:00 - [6] Originally by: Rod Blaine Edited by: Rod Blaine on 07/05/2007 20:38:07 Worth having a few lying around of to hop into when you need something quick and easy for small/med gang warfare. A few lyin' around Thats rich. Problem is I'm poor as I can barley clear 2 million per Lvl 3 mission with salvage, and my heart lies with PVP, not mission running. so earning money is a grind for me (until lvl 4, I know) I guess I'm trying to make a bigger deal abou the ISK difference and if its REALLY worth it for small/med. gang warfare. Right now I fly a thorax and I never een get locked up, as everyone is going for the BS in the fleet. I want to do more DPS though, so obviously I need to upgrade to a BC. Logic here says I will probably still be percieved as a lesser threat in the Brutix than the Mymidion, and therefore I can leave the tanking to someone else. That means tackling and DPS for me, maybe even some fleet support mods or EW stuff. Obviously the Myrmidon is a better ship, BUT IS IT WORTH the isk, especially with the risk of loss and a tight budget.
Liang Nuren Templars of Space CORE.	Posted - 2007.05.07 21:20:00 - [7] If ISK is that much of an issue for you, I'd PVP in either the Brutix (if you have good gunnery skills) or the Vexor (if you have good drone skills). Liang My opinions are my own, and do not in any way reflect the beliefs of my corp/alliance.
xHalcyonx Amarr EmpiresMod	Posted - 2007.05.07 21:25:00 - [8] Edited by: xHalcyonx on 07/05/2007 21:22:29 Originally by: AegriSomnia Originally by: Rod Blaine Edited by: Rod Blaine on 07/05/2007 20:38:07 Worth having a few lying around of to hop into when you need something quick and easy for small/med gang warfare. A few lyin' around Thats rich. Problem is I'm poor as I can barley clear 2 million per Lvl 3 mission with salvage, and my heart lies with PVP, not mission running. so earning money is a grind for me (until lvl 4, I know) I guess I'm trying to make a bigger deal abou the ISK difference and if its REALLY worth it for small/med. gang warfare. Right now I fly a thorax and I never een get locked up, as everyone is going for the BS in the fleet. I want to do more DPS though, so obviously I need to upgrade to a BC. Logic here says I will probably still be percieved as a lesser threat in the Brutix than the Mymidion, and therefore I can leave the tanking to someone else. That means tackling and DPS for me, maybe even some fleet support mods or EW stuff. Obviously the Myrmidon is a better ship, BUT IS IT WORTH the isk, especially with the risk of loss and a tight budget. Get you Social skill to 4, Connections skill to 3, and Negotiation to 4. Social and Connections give you better agent standings and Negotiation nets you 5% better pay from your agent per level. I pull off about 3 mil + 3 mil loot a mission and I run three missions at a time. I went from 100,000 isk to 200mil in just 2 weeks of running missions for 4 - 6 hour periods. (in a Drake mind you. )
Blind Man Kemono.	Posted - 2007.05.07 21:27:00 - [9] myrm is way better
Falcun Gallente North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.05.07 21:33:00 - [10] Put simply, it depends on what you are trying to do with it. If you're in a medium/long range fleet, then a Brutix will be preferable. For short-range or solo work, a Myrmidon will do very well; as it can deal a good amount of damage, while still being able to maintain a good tank.
AegriSomnia Caldari Aegis Incorporated	Posted - 2007.05.07 21:57:00 - [11] Originally by: Blind Man myrm is way better You got some serious issues, man.
murder one Gallente Death of Virtue Vigilance Infinitas	Posted - 2007.05.07 23:38:00 - [12] I wouldn't fly either. I won't fly a Brutix because unless you're going up against something smaller than it, you're going to be outclassed (HP buff and blaster nerf ftl), and why fly a Myrm when you can wait a week or so and fly a Dominix? Trying to get max DPS out of a Myrm when you could be flying a Domi for just a little more ISK is just dumb. The Myrm really has no place in PVP when the Domi is a proper drone ship (has the drone space). Myrm are decent for (slightly) lower budget mission running. I just don't see the point of the Myrm when you can be flying a Dominix with just a little more effort. Because I said so...
Kloro Draz Gallente Ex Coelis	Posted - 2007.05.08 00:27:00 - [13] I've flown both. Myrmidon has more tank. Brutix possibly has more long-range firepower. Depending on your cash flow and your gunnery/drone SP ratio, I would say, use the brutix for PVP when you might lose the ship, and a myrmidon for PVE when losing would be less likely. Of course, if you have the money, just buy a fleet of Myrmidons. But at that point, why not step up to the Dominix?
Terianna Eri Amarr STK Scientific Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.05.08 03:36:00 - [14] Originally by: murder one I just don't see the point of the Myrm when you can be flying a Dominix with just a little more effort. 1) smaller 2) faster 3) doesn't look like a turd that's pretty much it tbh, but it's a good enough reason. basically the same reasons why i fly a drake instead of a raven __________________________________ <-- Behold, the eve-o forums
MasterDecoy Gallente Raddick Explorations Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2007.05.08 04:32:00 - [15] the myrm is definately one of my favorite ships. versatile, purtty and can do quite a lot of damage when specializing with drones (drone interfacing 5 ftw). but the brutix can dish out a stupid amount of damage when fitted for gank. 7xT2 neutrons? of course, the biggest problem with this is you'll have to fit some rcu's and have no tank of any sort, so hope your not primary!
Ferocious FeAr Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.05.08 04:46:00 - [16] Originally by: Ghostshadow myrmidon can build a tank to rival, or even out do lot of battleships. All while outdamageing a brutix. The brutix does more damage per second than the myrmidon, unless you are fitting guns on a myrmidon you aren't going to be anywhere near a brutix's damage output. As for the tank, it's good but not battleship good. I think you are giving it too much credit. Don't hate me, learn to love me
Ghostshadow Templars of Space CORE.	Posted - 2007.05.08 04:59:00 - [17] Edited by: Ghostshadow on 08/05/2007 04:57:03 Edited by: Ghostshadow on 08/05/2007 04:55:45 ever passive shield tanked a Myrmidon? around 800 average dps tanked is nothing to seeze at. fit some autocannons and 450dps from tech II orges and you have a monster. for solo work i had a nice setup till privateers ganked me 7bs and 1 bc vs little ol me =( 6x 220mm web/scram/MWD/capInjector/sensorBoost 2 MAR II/kin/exp/therm/DCII 5 orges. out-tanks brutix(its a given with the bonus) and defently out DPS's any brutix that tries to fit a tank. all but the no-tank, all-gank brutix will out DPS it.... And the myrmidon all gank - no tank will out DPS that. 6 blasters, 3 damage mods and 5 orges.. as i said.. out tanks and out DPS's. ____________________________________________ A * B = C A = Skill Points B = GPA C = a Constant. Guess what happens to B as A increases.
Ferocious FeAr Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.05.08 05:17:00 - [18] Edited by: Ferocious FeAr on 08/05/2007 05:14:51 Unless you are in a gang shield tanks are worthless. This is coming from a caldari spec pilot. You can do your nice little passive tank, try and tackle with a shield tank. You can't. Try and put damage on someone with a passive tank, you can't. Your drones aren't kicking out enough damage per second to sustain any type of long drawn out battle. Okay I give you the benefit of the doubt here, the fight isn't long. The targets will just leave, seeing how you can't tackle in a proper passive tank. The bulk of the damage on a myrmidon is the drones. All the opponent has to do is take out the drones and the myrmidon is rendered useless. It's an overated ship, I don't want to hear the "scoop, re-deploy tactic" That doesn't work on smart pilots. Don't hate me, learn to love me
king jks Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.05.08 05:38:00 - [19] 4x med nos 2x small nos 10mn MWD II disruptor II web medium injector balmers TD 2x MAR II exp/kin/therm II EANM II 2x aux nano pumps 1x nano accelerator 5x berzerker II I tanked 2 absolutions for quite a long time with this setup, until a fury heavy drake came in and wtfpwnd my already slightly failing tank. To me, I don't know why, but I feel like the myrmidon is just better in every way than the dominix, apart from drone space. I don't see why anyone would fly a brutix over one of these beautiful ships.
mematar The League of Legitimate Nigerian Businessmen	Posted - 2007.05.08 05:44:00 - [20] Originally by: Terianna Eri Originally by: murder one I just don't see the point of the Myrm when you can be flying a Dominix with just a little more effort. 1) smaller 2) faster 3) doesn't look like a turd that's pretty much it tbh, but it's a good enough reason. basically the same reasons why i fly a drake instead of a raven Same reason I bought a Rattlesnake instead of Navy Raven, it's just way more beautiful. And **** it tbh, Myrmidon can kill battleships in 1on1, you just need to think a bit about it. Myrmidon does the highest dps of any battlecruiser, use it to your advantage!
Ferocious FeAr Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.05.08 05:59:00 - [21] Myrmidon over a dominix? No way! Speed doesn't matter when you have heavy nos, speed also doesn't matter when you have a web on your opponent. In order for your opponent to properly tackle you he needs to get into web range thus making speed/signature radius difference pointless. I rather be in a ship that has more health points, a better tank, the ability to drain cap from targets faster, bigger dronebay. A dominix can probably tank a myrmidon with 1 rep. Don't hate me, learn to love me

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