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Aria Jenneth Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 3463	Posted - 2017.04.24 03:35:57 - [61] - Quote Actually, I've been putting off finishing my report for the Societas. Everything I could write just seems.... Fragmentary. Unfinished, and unfinishable. So partial as to be nearly useless, for the purpose of really understanding what went on. There was just so much going on that it was hard for me to keep track of even a tiny bit of it, and what's more I wasn't remotely in charge of anything at all. I was mostly just an agent for ARC; a parting of ways at some point was technically possible (we're allies, not a single organization, after all), but such a point never came. I had very much a "supporting cast" view of history in the making. An extra's view, even. "Random ARC capsuleer #48." Maybe it would be worthwhile to start up a thread to get a more complete picture of what people saw and thought. I might start one up, even. I haven't the energy right now, but ... I'll think about it a little.
Makoto Priano Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium 9562	Posted - 2017.04.24 06:23:17 - [62] - Quote To be fair, Ms. Jenneth, we were all supporting cast. With so many capsuleers working, with so much intrigue, there is only so much any one capsuleer could take the stage. Consider: ARC issued approximately two hundred associate badges. But even lost among the masses, the amendment that you pushed on day two sparked the conversation that may have resulted in the Gallente-Minmatar Hope act being put forward on day three. Indeed, I recall the very conversation with Dr. Veranne and Society compliance officer Riv Netee where transparency was discussed as a possible day three act, when we were negotiating your amendment. So, Mr. Raimo might be entertained to hear, in a way, the Hope act originated with SFRIM. Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries: exploring the edge of the known, advancing the state of the art. Would you like to know more?
Aria Jenneth Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 3463	Posted - 2017.04.24 14:35:50 - [63] - Quote That's really nice of you to say, Ms. Priano, but even in such a case the link's too attenuated for us to claim any real credit for. But-- you're definitely right that we all had fragmentary parts. Maybe we should see whether we can set up something for assembling them, here on the IGS? I've been thinking over "rules" for such a thing: maybe, each post to contain a single story, ask a single question, or answer one (to prevent walls of text getting constructed)? Otherwise, it seems like free-form is the way to go with such a thing. Thoughts?
Julianus Soter Moira. Villore Accords 432	Posted - 2017.04.24 15:35:56 - [64] - Quote Nameira Vanis-Tor wrote: I welcome and endorse any source of Intel. The activities of Gallente loyalists in New Eden seem to consequently generate lucrative business opportunities for us. So long as they are in highsec, I suppose chuckles Moira. Corporation CEO, Executor, Villore Accords, @Julianus_Soter https://zkillboard.com/alliance/99001634/
Jev North Anshar Incorporated Monyusaiya Industry Trade Group 812	Posted - 2017.04.24 16:19:51 - [65] - Quote Julianus Soter wrote: So long as they are in highsec, I suppose chuckles You.. can't motivate your people to defend your and your allies' assets in hisec, and this is a dig against us, I suppose? The fight is mostly the last 0-300km in a logistics chain.
Neph Crimson Serpent Syndicate Heiian Conglomerate 781	Posted - 2017.04.24 22:26:59 - [66] - Quote Pilot Soter, I indicated on another platform that I would be looking into the origins of the posters. I have not forgotten that, just become frighteningly more busy. Your prize is lucrative enough to make sure it remains high on my priority list to compose a compelling expose! ~ Gariushi YC110 // Midular YC115 // Yanala YC115 ~ "Orte Jaitovalte sitasuyti ne obuetsa useuut ishu. Ketsiak ishiulyn." -Yakiya Tovil-Toba-taisoka
Tarek Raimo Eleutherian Guard Villore Accords 64	Posted - 2017.04.25 00:10:42 - [67] - Quote IIRC CCP Falcon said that they will collect all the stories emerging from the event and do "something" with them. You never know with CCP though.
James Syagrius Reclamation 1690	Posted - 2017.04.25 01:42:43 - [68] - Quote Aria Jenneth wrote: James Syagrius wrote: Aria Jenneth wrote: There MUST be an angle! Well I misread angle as an angel, that got my attention. But still, such cynicism is disheartening. Did you really just ignore everything I said after? Including immediately after? I fear yes, but such happens when one tends to the wordy. Not to mention I am easily distracted. But is my observation not accurate? You do seem to be rather... well perhaps the less said the better. GÇ£Here also are the heralds of his praise."
Arrendis GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3240	Posted - 2017.04.25 02:09:24 - [69] - Quote James Syagrius wrote: fear yes, but such happens when one tends to the wordy. Not to mention I am easily distracted. So, the message you want to send here is "I'm going to challenge what you claim, but I won't actually pay attention to your answer. I'm just going to imagine you said what I want to reply to, and reply to it"? Can you at least throw in a 'and this is why the somethingsomething must be destroyed' so we can place you, Kim, and Ronin together in one easily-defined group, and go looking for an Amarr equivalent (I dunno, Vaari?) to dump in the 'ignore this' box with you? Quote: But is my observation not accurate? How would you know? You've already admitted to ignoring everything you complained about as being cynical!
Aria Jenneth Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 3483	Posted - 2017.04.25 05:13:41 - [70] - Quote James Syagrius wrote: I fear yes, but such happens when one tends to the wordy. Not to mention I am easily distracted. But is my observation not accurate? You do seem to be rather... well perhaps the less said the better. You make me so sad. Sometimes my perspective on things does strike people as kind of dark (or else naive), but ... well.... Here's the full context: Aria Jenneth wrote: James Syagrius wrote: Now speculation on the 'truth' of you, [Makoto Priano,] is a much more interesting topic. Eee! Isn't it interesting? Loyal Caldari pilot with ties to Zainou Biotech who pretty consistently actually seems to want to cooperatively tackle the most pressing mysteries of our time and work together to resolve them. There MUST be an angle! (Mustn't there?) (I've never actually seen much sign of one. The Caldari might be culturally a little anti-intellectual and uninterested in knowledge for knowledge's sake, but apparently genuine curiosity hasn't been selected out of the gene pool yet. And a good thing, too.) I've barely gotten out the bit you found so cynical before I immediately question it myself-- and then explain that I can't find any evidence that it's true. Was that really unclear? In practice, Ms. Priano's someone I trust, as a researcher, as a leader, as a seeker after truth. She's someone who shares my interest in knowledge and insight: like me, she wants to understand, but she's way better about looking for it methodically, and guiding others in the search. I'm more of a dabbler; I get into a lot of stuff, not much of it very deeply. She's someone I look up to. So, yeah, your observation doesn't seem really very accurate to me. It seems like you picked a statement that you assumed was meaningful on its own ... and that was your takeaway for the whole thing. Because I'm wordy? Because you expect me to be cynical and say awful dark negative things about people? Maybe I am wordy, a little. Reality's complicated; it's hard to get words to track it with any accuracy at all, and I do kind of try to make them. I do also sometimes freely say stuff people find horrifying; I'm not as blunt as Miz, but I do tend to try to speak the truth as I see it, and some bits of this world (or the way I see those bits) aren't very pleasant for a lot of people to think about. On the flip side, there might be bits that I just don't see very clearly (yet, I hope), and see as brighter than they are-- or else, just, brighter than people think they are. Maybe that's why people think I'm naive. Either way, if you didn't understand because you saw a direct statement that reflected all the awfulness you see in me, and took that as what I was really saying as a result ... maybe that's really me not communicating things very well, but on a higher level than just a few lines of text. I guess that's something I should work on.

Utari Onzo Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 1660	Posted - 2017.04.25 05:50:50 - [71] - Quote Arrendis wrote: James Syagrius wrote: fear yes, but such happens when one tends to the wordy. Not to mention I am easily distracted. So, the message you want to send here is "I'm going to challenge what you claim, but I won't actually pay attention to your answer. I'm just going to imagine you said what I want to reply to, and reply to it"? Can you at least throw in a 'and this is why the somethingsomething must be destroyed' so we can place you, Kim, and Ronin together in one easily-defined group, and go looking for an Amarr equivalent (I dunno, Vaari?) to dump in the 'ignore this' box with you? Quote: But is my observation not accurate? How would you know? You've already admitted to ignoring everything you complained about as being cynical! Something something and this is why interstellar communications must be destroyed. "Face the enemy as a solid wall For faith is your armor And through it, the enemy will find no breach Wrap your arms around the enemy For faith is your fire And with it, burn away his evil"
Nai Arto Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 1	Posted - 2017.04.25 08:15:20 - [72] - Quote Mokoto Priano: 2,905 lifetime posts on IGS Julianus Soter: 329 lifetime posts Thread so far: Soter: posts a thing Mokoto: "Soter just craves attention" Syagrius: Why are you like this? Aria: Mokoto is my friend. Mokoto is pure. Mokoto is life. hmmmmm
Jev North Anshar Incorporated Monyusaiya Industry Trade Group 816	Posted - 2017.04.25 08:36:46 - [73] - Quote The thing I wonder about with sockpuppet capsuleers is, were they born wide enough to accommodate someone's arm? Or were some stretching exercises involved? The fight is mostly the last 0-300km in a logistics chain.
Elmund Egivand Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 2273	Posted - 2017.04.25 09:11:45 - [74] - Quote Jev North wrote: The thing I wonder about with sockpuppet capsuleers is, were they born wide enough to accommodate someone's arm? Or were some stretching exercises involved? I thought they are all clones of different genetic encoding with the mind of the primary capsuleer uploaded into them? A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Rossanjiin Eskeitan Guri Raiders 51	Posted - 2017.04.25 09:13:15 - [75] - Quote Why not both?
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 3153	Posted - 2017.04.25 12:18:41 - [76] - Quote Nai Arto wrote: Mokoto Priano: 2,905 lifetime posts on IGS Julianus Soter: 329 lifetime posts Thread so far: Soter: posts a thing Mokoto: "Soter just craves attention" Haaa~ I like when enemies of the State fight. It is amusing and funny, revealing things about both of them! And of course on the subject: Gallente Federation tries to push their propaganda and lies as another media outlet. That should not be tolerated. Gallente voices must be silenced. If anyone has information about physical location of their media retranslators (any citadels, control towers and other structures), please drop me a mail, I'll look if we can take it down for good. Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us. In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Arrendis GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3241	Posted - 2017.04.25 12:20:33 - [77] - Quote Utari Onzo wrote: Something something and this is why interstellar communications must be destroyed. I should not have laughed that hard at this.
Corraidhin Farsaidh Singularity Expedition Services Singularity Syndicate 2141	Posted - 2017.04.25 13:22:35 - [78] - Quote Arrendis wrote: Utari Onzo wrote: Something something and this is why interstellar communications must be destroyed. I should not have laughed that hard at this. Always amuses me that Ms Kim just has to watch all Gallente media. Just to make sure it's all propaganda filth of course. Now we know why she just 'happened' across the 'Gallente mating practices' holoreels...
Nai Arto Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 2	Posted - 2017.04.25 16:29:49 - [79] - Quote Jev North wrote: The thing I wonder about with sockpuppet capsuleers is, were they born wide enough to accommodate someone's arm? Or were some stretching exercises involved? I like that you're thinking about my stretches, you saucy minx you. I can tell your arm gets plenty of exercise, too...
Makoto Priano Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium 9576	Posted - 2017.04.25 17:58:29 - [80] - Quote Ms. Jenneth's praise is greatly appreciated, but flatters me beyond my worth. While I'm the most visible of ARC's coordination group, there are many of us doing considerable work, and this work would be impossible without the immensely valuable contribution of Capsuleers both in our various partner organizations and flying independently. That said, we digress, as the appearance of sockpuppet capsuleers would indicate. Let's get back to the original topic. GMVA has started a news portal, evidently, and Soter believes that some leaflets and posters quoting him is defamation overshadowing the collaborative work of hundreds of capsuleers, and certainly saving millions if not billions of Baseliner lives. Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries: exploring the edge of the known, advancing the state of the art. Would you like to know more?

Aria Jenneth Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 3499	Posted - 2017.04.25 18:22:33 - [81] - Quote I'm not sure I said anything that wasn't true, though, Ms. Priano. Being a leader usually does mean having a lot of people working with you. I'm also not sure whether this person's really a "sock puppet." After his first post I was kind of torn between "troll" and "troglodyte." After his latest ... yeah. Troll. Aaaand, that's about all the processor cycles he's worth, so ... guess I'll keep quiet until someone has something more interesting to say.
Nai Arto Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 2	Posted - 2017.04.25 19:04:32 - [82] - Quote Speaking of flexibility, what kind of exercises does the ARC "coordination group" practice to maintain such flexibility while gratifying each other? Is it just obsessively cataloging news stories about yourself or is there more?
Makoto Priano Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium 9578	Posted - 2017.04.25 19:36:18 - [83] - Quote Really? And here I thought it was standard practice for marketing teams to catalog and make note of positive press about an organization. Winds, but this isn't even a good effort at trolling. Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries: exploring the edge of the known, advancing the state of the art. Would you like to know more?
Nai Arto Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 2	Posted - 2017.04.25 19:45:27 - [84] - Quote See, I thought that too... but then someone told me attention seeking behavior was bad.
Makoto Priano Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium 9578	Posted - 2017.04.25 19:48:59 - [85] - Quote Ah, but you see, dear sock puppet, you had to hunt for it, while Soter is actively advertising that someone saying mean things about him overshadows the death of millions. Mild difference there. Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries: exploring the edge of the known, advancing the state of the art. Would you like to know more?
Aldrith Shutaq PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 1991	Posted - 2017.04.25 20:01:45 - [86] - Quote Now, now, everyone has a right to publish their own propaganda. Meanwhile, Imperial Impressions reports filthy Gallente degenerates literally eat their own babies while fornicating with animals. Check in tonight with our analysis of the situation! Topics will include: is it really bestiality if one is genetically modified to look like an animal? And then is it really cannibalism since they are no longer human? At least we can all agree they look silly. Aldrith Ter'neth Shutaq Newelle Fleet Captain of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade Lord Consort of House Sarum
Nai Arto Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 2	Posted - 2017.04.25 20:29:48 - [87] - Quote You maintain a public profile, but it's "hunting" if I look at it. You post on this Summit nearly 3,000 times and its probably "good community relations." Someone else does about 100x less than you, and that's "actively advertising."
Makoto Priano Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium 9578	Posted - 2017.04.25 20:47:46 - [88] - Quote Let's see if I follow you on this. You're saying that we shouldn't act as if something's amiss when a Capsuleer posts an article about how mean things said about that same Capsuleer overshadows the deaths of tens of millions, including seven million of his own countrymen? Because it stands to note, dear sock puppet, that Soter is indeed bringing to public attention an article that claims that someone saying mean things about Soter overshadows the death of seven million Gallente citizens. Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries: exploring the edge of the known, advancing the state of the art. Would you like to know more?
Nai Arto Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 2	Posted - 2017.04.25 21:03:22 - [89] - Quote Indeed, a fascinating topic. With the lives of billions on the line, what kind of person takes the time to fabricate pamphlets for a petty character assassination campaign?
Aria Jenneth Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 3501	Posted - 2017.04.25 21:06:28 - [90] - Quote There's marketing when you want to attract attention to a cause, and the good you're doing, and then there's marketing to feed (or protect) your pride and/or fill your own emotional voids. It's maybe sometimes a little hard to distinguish between the two, and there definitely gets to be ego involved even in some places it really shouldn't be. Pride's sneaky. It comes with success, even if what you've been successful at is staying humble. So, maybe a little pride's kind of inevitable. I'm not sure it's ever really desirable, either way, though, since it doesn't take a lot to turn it into something awful. Maybe sometimes I'm harder on people than I maybe need to be. Maybe it'd be better to just withhold judgment entirely than to beat up on someone for who they've ended up being, even if it's surprising and sad. It seems like I might have hurt Mr. Syagrius a little that way. There's a part of me that feels unhappy about that; I've never really set out to be cruel. There's another part, though, that says, "Good. He was a fool. Let him suffer for it." However I look at it, that's pride. Maybe it's making a fool out of me, and I'll be the one suffering. Probably Ms. Priano has stuff like that going on too. Probably most people do. And then there's going the other way, and needing praise all the time to validate who you are. (Not that the two are mutually exclusive.) It's not like lacking self-confidence or needing encouragement is necessarily a big problem, but needing to fill a hole like that is maybe kind of a major problem in a leader. It seems like that's maybe more what's going on with Mr. Soter-- though maybe I shouldn't speculate so far. Motives get tangled up, pride's sneaky, and it's hard to tell, but, this doesn't really seem very ambiguous to me. For me, I guess, the border is often a willingness to admit limitation or fault. Being able to accept that we're wrong, or that there are things much more important than ourselves (even if we might have some trouble focusing on them), seem like kind of strong clues to a reasonably well-adjusted ego. (My predecessor weaponized this kind of honesty, though, so it's not an absolute thing.) Eh ... sorry. Kind of going on a little, and rambling a lot. It seems like there should be a principled way to tell the difference between necessary and important self-promotion and the gratuitous and damaging kind. Maybe it kind of boils down to motive? Only, a large and fragile ego might still accomplish great things.... Sometimes. Hm.



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