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Makoto Priano
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
9579
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Posted - 2017.04.25 21:06:28 -
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Ah, so you're Soter's sock puppet.
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Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
3501
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Posted - 2017.04.25 21:10:59 -
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Makoto Priano wrote:Ah, so you're Soter's sock puppet.
Yeah, I stand corrected. He's got too much specific agenda to be just a troll. |
Makoto Priano
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
9579
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Posted - 2017.04.25 21:17:50 -
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Precisely, Ms. Jenneth.
I think the only people who really care about the leafleting are Soter and those in his circle.
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Nai Arto
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2017.04.25 21:34:31 -
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Clearly I'm striking a nerve when your only response is to call me a sock puppet.
I'm merely an interested media observer who's fascinated by the fact that a certain someone is so obsessed with overplaying the significance of one obviously ill chosen word in the headline, and ignoring the content of the article itself. I'm sure that has nothing to do with the fact that a certain organization is implicated in the article as the source of the leaflets.
If you don't think people should care about the leaflets why did you print them? |
Makoto Priano
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
9580
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Posted - 2017.04.25 21:40:34 -
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Because, dear sock puppet, I like transparency. Whether you're a sock puppet for Soter or Syagrius, to use a blank shill to carry on your tirade is an attempt to sidestep that many observers here are now discounting those parties' arguments. It's disingenuous.
As for the printing, I fear you are mistaken.
ARC had rather more important matters to deal with.
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Mizhara Del'thul
Coreli Corporation
Mercenary Coalition
1590
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Posted - 2017.04.25 21:46:05 -
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Still a whole lot of protest and objection over something almost entirely inconsequential. When people get this riled over a single article or a fresh face - sockpuppet or not - there are definitely buttons getting pushed with disproportionate response.
It's of course a far cry from evidence of anything, but it's... intriguing. Nerves don't get that raw all by themselves, and egos that get so bruised tend to have been dis-proportionally large targets to begin with.
I genuinely didn't think anything of the article or the contents of this new rag, but when they stir up this much emotion in a group, something's up. |
Nai Arto
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2017.04.25 21:51:02 -
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I'm afraid I don't know what you mean, as both of those Capsuleers have been more than willing to share their opinions in this topic so far. Clearly they are both able to express themselves, and have done so.
I speak only for myself, unlike you: Ms "many observers."
As for the leaflets, it is easy to mistake such things. Perhaps you would care to explain the statements from the ILF indicating your organization's involvement?
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Makoto Priano
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
9580
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Posted - 2017.04.25 21:51:16 -
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No, Ms. Del'thul, just bored.
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Mizhara Del'thul
Coreli Corporation
Mercenary Coalition
1592
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Posted - 2017.04.25 22:06:47 -
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Possible. It's just rare for people to get this emotional out of boredom. Like I said, it is evidence of exactly nothing. It's just intriguing. |
Makoto Priano
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
9580
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Posted - 2017.04.25 22:09:24 -
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With apologies, Ms. Del'thul, but you may be reading too much emotion into what I'm writing. Accountants have been droning at me for hours, so my prose may have become fraught.
That, and this new sock puppet is serving up so many easy pitches that I can't help but swing.
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Nai Arto
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2017.04.25 22:11:40 -
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I don't really know much about this "Intaki Liberation Front" group. Could someone fill me in?
Would they have any reason to make a false accusation? |
Bataav
Intaki Liberation Front
Intaki Prosperity Initiative
377
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Posted - 2017.04.25 22:14:06 -
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Nai Arto wrote:Perhaps you would care to explain the statements from the ILF indicating your organization's involvement?
I had been content to sit this particular discussion out, but it seems that's no longer possible.
It is true that after being approached my Mr Raimo, we did speak on a number of occasions regarding the leaflets.
I also brought his attention to a poster repeating what were claimed as quoted remarks by Gen. Soter, which had been put up in the main inquest hall, on the second day.
Even with Mr Raimo going to lengths to catch the culprit, the distribution continued regardless, and so must have been conducted discreetly.
The delegation from ARC were not a discreet group at the Inquest, conspicuous in their uniforms, bearing their IDs consistently throughout, and so I am more than happy to go on record to say I do not believe it possible for them to have successfully scattered those leaflets under Mr Raimo's very nose. Consistently. For three days.
Any claims that I suggested they may have been responsible are completely untrue.
Bataav
Mahesha | Intaki Liberation Front & Intaki Prosperity Initiative
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Makoto Priano
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
9580
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Posted - 2017.04.25 22:17:02 -
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Bataav was actually accredited as part of the ARC delegation, interestingly. I can only assume he told Tarek Raimo that to get Tarek to stop following him around. It was sort of uncanny how Raimo was hovering around and somehow always conveniently ten to fifteen meters from Bataav.
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
3250
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Posted - 2017.04.25 22:17:41 -
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Nai Arto wrote:I don't really know much about this "Intaki Liberation Front" group. Could someone fill me in?
Some of their members do appear to have longstanding personal issues with some of the principles.
Also, I've heard they're actually a splinter group of the Liberation Front of Intaki, which itself split off from the People's Front of Intaki. The PFI, of course, was originally formed by dissidents who found the Intaki People's Front too stifling.
Bunch of bloody splitters, the lot of them. Or so I've heard.
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Makoto Priano
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
9580
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Posted - 2017.04.25 22:18:21 -
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Oh! And I missed a statement by the honored mahesha himself.
Apologies, Bataav!
Well, it may be that Tarek Raimo was misrepresenting things.
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Nai Arto
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2017.04.25 22:25:20 -
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Thank you for clarifying, sir.
Of course, this begs the question of what motivated the campaign, and who would have had the resources to carry out such activities so very discreetly. |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
3250
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Posted - 2017.04.25 22:34:15 -
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Nai Arto wrote:Thank you for clarifying, sir.
Of course, this begs the question of what motivated the campaign, and who would have had the resources to carry out such activities so very discreetly.
There is, of course, always the conspiracy-theory angle: Raimo appears to be the only person who was concerned with raising awareness of the flyers. Those he appears to have strongly implied (at least) were clearly not directly involved. This didn't stop him from writing up an articleGÇöincluding hyperbolic headlineGÇöto raise awareness of the flyers and his preferred narrative of their source beyond the confines of the Inquest center and attendees. Raimo is, by his own statements, some sort of COINTEL professional.
Who's to say he isn't behind the flyers? After all, it would hardly be the first time someone's run a false-flag operation to impugn the reputation of others in the middle of multinational gathering. They're rather perfect locations for it: the attendees already don't trust one another. |
Nai Arto
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2017.04.25 22:36:24 -
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Interesting theory! You'd think if that were they case they would have been more elegant with the phrasing of the headline... but who knows? |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
3252
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Posted - 2017.04.25 22:52:06 -
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Nai Arto wrote:Interesting theory! You'd think if that were they case they would have been more elegant with the phrasing of the headline... but who knows?
Oh, sure, but considering that theory took me less time to think of than to write, is completely baseless, and even I don't believe it, the fact that it's got more supporting evidence than Raimo's theory, well.... |
James Syagrius
Reclamation
1690
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Posted - 2017.04.26 00:14:14 -
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Nai Arto wrote:Mokoto Priano: 2,905 lifetime posts on IGS
Julianus Soter: 329 lifetime posts
Thread so far:
Soter: posts a thing
Mokoto: "Soter just craves attention"
Syagrius: Why are you like this?
Aria: Mokoto is my friend. Mokoto is pure. Mokoto is life.
hmmmmm Well, now he put a fine point on it didnGÇÖt he. So much said with so few words. ItGÇÖs almost as if I donGÇÖt really need to read further to GÇÿknowGÇÖ what the usual suspects are going to say.
GÇ£Here also are the heralds of his praise."
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James Syagrius
Reclamation
1690
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Posted - 2017.04.26 00:15:05 -
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Oh dear. Well, I did, they did. Moving along.
GÇ£Here also are the heralds of his praise."
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
3253
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Posted - 2017.04.26 00:19:50 -
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I'm sorry, but there were words, and you clearly said you don't read when there are words. |
Makoto Priano
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
9583
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Posted - 2017.04.26 00:28:09 -
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Oh, come now, Arrendis. Syagrius took almost a minute to have pretended to have read it. Give the man points for effort, eh?
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Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
3501
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Posted - 2017.04.26 00:28:46 -
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James Syagrius wrote:Oh dear. Well, I did, they did. Moving along.
Your meaning here isn't quite clear. I'm hoping you meant something ... better.
Maybe a few more words? |
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
3501
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Posted - 2017.04.26 00:29:58 -
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Makoto Priano wrote:Oh, come now, Arrendis. Syagrius took almost a minute to have pretended to have read it. Give the man points for effort, eh?
He did?
... he DID.
Gods ... just when I start to think maybe I've been too hard on you, Mr. Syagrius. It must be nice, being able to misunderstand fully without troubling to read what's being said.
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Nai Arto
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
6
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Posted - 2017.04.26 00:49:11 -
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Maybe you really are just that predictable. |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
3255
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Posted - 2017.04.26 01:24:08 -
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Nai Arto wrote:Maybe you really are just that predictable.
Well, you know, when he tells us 'I don't actually read the stuff I reply to', and then appears to have not actually taken the time to read what he's replying to...
It's just not that hard a leap to make. |
Nai Arto
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
6
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Posted - 2017.04.26 01:49:07 -
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What entertains me is that his initial misreading was "Angel," which apparently Ms. Jenneth does in fact believe Mokoto Priano to be. According to the ancient "pure of heart" holy Amarr meaning, of course... not the modern pirate connotation, I shouldn't think.
Perhaps his instincts for avoiding overwrought prose served him well after all? |
Jev North
Anshar Incorporated
Monyusaiya Industry Trade Group
831
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Posted - 2017.04.26 01:50:50 -
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So, a sneaky, resourceful and long-armed, blatantly amoral party with some kind of axe to grind with Soter, according to the Mahesha. Hmmm.
The fight is mostly the last 0-300km in a logistics chain.
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
3255
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Posted - 2017.04.26 02:02:00 -
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Nai Arto wrote:What entertains me is that his initial misreading was "Angel," which apparently Ms. Jenneth does in fact believe Mokoto Priano to be. According to the ancient "pure of heart" holy Amarr meaning, of course... not the modern pirate connotation, I shouldn't think.
Perhaps his instincts for avoiding overwrought prose served him well after all?
Well, except that the only one who's made that claim... is you.
Aria described Makoto as someone who seeks truth, someone she trusts and looks up to. That doesn't mean she thinks Makoto is 'pure of heart'.
So, perhaps you should avoid emulating James by arguing against things nobody but you said in the first place? |
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