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Cade Burey
Amarr
One Man Alone
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Posted - 2007.05.11 10:45:00 -
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Edited by: Cade Burey on 11/05/2007 10:41:13
I think the big difference between professions like ratting and mining versus industry and market trading is that to be successful at the second requires you to already have been succesful in something else and to have an operating capital to play with.
Granted to start all 4 professions requires an initial investment, once you have bought your ship and modules for ratting and mining, you can then go do it with 0 in your wallet and still be as successful.
The difference between that and industry and trading is that even after you have bought your ship/bpos etc, you still need a wad of cash to make more.
In my mind I see ratting/mining as a 'make money out of nothing' profession whereas the other two are 'make your money bigger' professions.
As such I dont think you can really compare them exactly to each other as regards how much ISK you can make per hour.
I like to look at trading more as a 'percentage ISK per hour' figure, as in how much % profit can I make in a given period with the cash I currently have?
Sometimes the profit is made by NPC trading, sometimes by mineral trading, but I always try and find the activity that nets the most profit from the most money with the minimum effort.
Therefore a trip that takes 4 jumps and makes 1 mil ISK profit is less desirable then the one that takes 1 warp and makes 300K ISK profit.
Enough rambling from me, back to work. 
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Misanth
X-Fire
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Posted - 2007.05.11 11:38:00 -
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 Originally by: Nonym Ous
Edited by: Nonym Ous on 09/05/2007 12:29:30
Originally by: Misanth
Edited by: Misanth on 09/05/2007 06:37:53
There is no answers to the OP's questions. There isn't.
Way too much variables.
Originally by: Suzy Creamcheesz
this would be damned hard because of the amount of variables involved. for example, lets say i wanted to make a guide for ratting. Well, now we have decide what security system we are talking about, whether we are farming big spawns or clearing everything, whether we are scooping loot, whether we are salvaging wrecks, etc, etc...
*snip*
Why are you asking for feedback when you don't want to listen?
Try ratting at the Angels in the south as Amarr, becuase your corp joins an alliance you don't want to join. Then you move to another corp, just to be forced out of that area and end up fighting Serpentis in the north.
That's my reality, and I can't tell you what a huge difference it is between different rat spawns. Vs Serpentis I basicly free up one lowslot and get to fit an Heatsink II rather than a hardener, while against Angels my lasers do screw you damage.. i.e. none at all, so basicly I have to rely on my drones to kheel there.
Now try this in missions instead.. with a variety of damage types etc. I have a Caldari alt, she'd just laugh at points I make now, as for her every mission is the same, no matter what kinds she fights. She carry all damage types missiles, as well as don't have to refit between them. My Amarr have to refit for every single mission and sometimes have to rely on drones to kill, which makes income everything else but stable and relyable to estimate.
There's nother variables like "how many players are currently ratting in the system", and stuff like - are there miners in a belt, keeping a spawn perma-tanked? Are people chaining spawns or clearing them? Are they killing them fast or not? Is it hostiles in system (recons for example, or roamers)? Not to mention human variables as - are you tired, can you focus, do you enjoy it, etc - as all those things affect your level of effectiveness. I had a really nice flow of 15 hour straight ratting some weeks ago and made a fortune that day. Days before/after that I was half-lazy and our belts were hoarded so I ended up slack-ratting and didn't do half the amount/hour as that 15h day.
It IS impossible to give an average figure, unless you count over thousands of hours. But you can't say "I do X /day" as it is affected by so many random things that you can't even account for.
The only thing I can say for certain is what I posted initially - almost (almost) everything in this game is within reach for anyone, no matter what way you chose to earn money, as long as you are devoted. And it doesnt take too much time, making isk in EVE isn't hard.
Probably the most stable way to predict an income would be to roll Caldari and get necessary skills for NPCing and then focus the rest on production.
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DudTrap
Lemur Technologies Inc
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Posted - 2007.05.11 12:02:00 -
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Edited by: DudTrap on 11/05/2007 12:03:14
Edited by: DudTrap on 11/05/2007 12:01:05
Originally by: Shakuul
Basically, you want to cause/predict price changes like this
<edit> Completly misread your post :P
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Mae West
Gallente
Odessa Operations
Sylph Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.11 12:03:00 -
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I thought everyone made isk by selling GTC cards. 
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d026
THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS....
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.05.11 12:39:00 -
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Edited by: d026 on 11/05/2007 12:38:09
trading (no not npc goods trading)> 0.0 ratting (if u get a officer) > 0.0 missions > low sec missions > highsec missions > 0.0 ratting
dunno about mining.. (mining I ftw)
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Nazdarovie
Macabre Votum
INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.05.11 12:45:00 -
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Edited by: Nazdarovie on 11/05/2007 12:44:09
0.0 Ratting ftw
Server startup a little late. It's being looked into, problem already found. Will be online as soon as possible |
zoturi
Karjala Inc.
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.05.11 12:56:00 -
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10/10¦s
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Spix 'UK
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Posted - 2007.05.11 12:59:00 -
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Edited by: Spix ''UK on 11/05/2007 13:00:57
Edited by: Spix ''UK on 11/05/2007 13:00:08
Edited by: Spix ''UK on 11/05/2007 12:58:17
Originally by: SiJira
Edited by: SiJira on 09/05/2007 23:34:41
Originally by: Ryas Nia
Originally by: SiJira
im serious... you get to take on the best and most challenging players in the game with 1v1s honor and they don't pod you unless you smack
your only 1mth old and yo act like you know the game in and out....
Bounty hunting generally just gets you killed or board. People do NOT honor 1v1, i wont even accept one because of how dumb the idea even is. Eve is not fair, never was supposed to be, when i go into combat i expect backup to be on its way.
im going to draw a pictogram to for you
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---(--o---o--) 1 - you / | | | |
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 Good job Spaces dont work on forums correctly Line up the 1s.. by Pushing the space button till it matchs ;)
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Alha Qmar
Caldari
Xenon Logistics
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Posted - 2007.05.11 13:40:00 -
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Do it like I do it, take it from other players. Stealing scamming suiciding haulers griefing players. Its all allowed by the devs and what makes eve online so great.
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Morgan Cats
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Posted - 2007.10.11 17:47:00 -
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personaly i am a trader (buy and sell on the market)
Monday i started out with 500 million isk. 4 days later (thursday morning) i have 700 million isk. and i only spent 30 min a day doing it. yes it is boring as hell but it pays the bills.
Eve is based on pvp and the people that build things for the pvpers.
So with that said, in empire space, if your not into scamming, suicide ganking, ransoming unsuspecting victoms. you can:
Get combat skills and T2/faction fittings to solo level 4's, with another ship collecting loot/salvage. or get industrial/science skills to build/invent T2 stuff.
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Sythyss
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Posted - 2007.10.12 07:35:00 -
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Originally by: SiJira
Originally by: Shakuul
Basically, you want to cause/predict price changes like this
1 person doing that ? fat chance
but then people like to rationalize everything and believe only what they see ;)
He wasn't saying one person did that...he was saying one might be able to predict that sort of behavior if he was paying attention to market trends and whatnot.
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cal nereus
Bounty Hunter - Dark Legion
Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2007.10.12 08:18:00 -
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Originally by: SiJira
become a bounty hunter
most lucrative profession in eve
Orly? 
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Moghydin
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.10.12 08:40:00 -
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Originally by: Misanth
Edited by: Misanth on 09/05/2007 06:37:53
There is no answers to the OP's questions. There isn't.
Way too much variables.
But anyone with 10mil+ sp and half a brain can do 100mil/day with 2-4 of hours of gametime, from npcing (unless you're pushing your luck and go out as Amarr against Angels or something unreasonable).
Those numbers always puzzled me. Ratting is the primary ISK making activity for me and 100 mill per day in 2-4h is... well a slight exaggeration, unless of course you make rats explode when they see your ship. You're highly dependable on the quality of spawns and in most cases I was able to make around 10 mill per hour on average. It makes 40 mill in 4 hours which is far below your 100 mill estimated profit. And btw, I have slightly more than 10mill sp, like more than twice. May be I don't have half a brain, who knows.
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Ariadne
Gallente
Northern Intelligence
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2007.10.12 09:32:00 -
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Originally by: Moghydin
Originally by: Misanth
Edited by: Misanth on 09/05/2007 06:37:53
There is no answers to the OP's questions. There isn't.
Way too much variables.
But anyone with 10mil+ sp and half a brain can do 100mil/day with 2-4 of hours of gametime, from npcing (unless you're pushing your luck and go out as Amarr against Angels or something unreasonable).
Those numbers always puzzled me. Ratting is the primary ISK making activity for me and 100 mill per day in 2-4h is... well a slight exaggeration, unless of course you make rats explode when they see your ship. You're highly dependable on the quality of spawns and in most cases I was able to make around 10 mill per hour on average. It makes 40 mill in 4 hours which is far below your 100 mill estimated profit. And btw, I have slightly more than 10mill sp, like more than twice. May be I don't have half a brain, who knows.
Im guessing hes counting in salvage+sellable loot as well. Still seems pretty high to me. 10 mill per hour ratting is what an average player can make i guess.
Making billions is only done by those who can camp complexes or can print money with blueprints.
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Motokko
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.10.12 10:20:00 -
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Originally by: Morgan Cats
personaly i am a trader (buy and sell on the market)
Monday i started out with 500 million isk. 4 days later (thursday morning) i have 700 million isk. and i only spent 30 min a day doing it. yes it is boring as hell but it pays the bills.
You say you only spent 30 mins a day, I assume that's setting up buy/sell orders and maybe doing a little hauling. What you dont count though is just how much research did you have to do in the first place to find that trade opportunity? I've dabbled a bit in trading, although not greatly since my capital sucks at the moment, but what I found is that although the actual act of trading is very quick, finding those trades in the first place takes a lot of time.
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Ararius
EP0CH
Black Sun Cartel
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Posted - 2007.10.12 10:24:00 -
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I spam missions in lowsec with a named/t2 fitted Siege Raven....
And im setting up an alt that will (soon) be able too spam R&D and stuff in highsec
\o/
Im ugly, just look at my face!
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Cpt Branko
The Bloody Red
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Posted - 2007.10.12 10:50:00 -
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Originally by: Nonym Ous
I'd also like to add, I don't make ISK for fun, I PvP for fun. Maximizing the amount of ISK per hour I get minimizes the time I spend ISKing, therefore maximizing the time I spend PvPing and hence, maximizing my fun. But since nobody in my corp does anything but rat or mine for ISK, I haven't the slightest idea how profitable anything can be, or even how to make it that profitable. That's what I'm asking.
This is why I love piracy - I make a decent enough living off it, and get to have fun at the same time 
At any rate, 15-20M/hour is very good - hell, you can afford a new fleet BS on a weekly basis, and a small ship preety much every hour. Factor in the loot from the kills, I really don't see a problem ;P
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Cepha Lopod
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.10.12 11:37:00 -
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check your region for non-sov systems. Get a startup capital of 150-300m ISK. Buy Moon probes, probe moons in non-sov til your eyes bleed (and you're down to 150m) if you find a moon with technetium, promethium, mercury or dysprosium then kindly ask your CEO for posrights and reap the profit.
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Ambo
2nd Outcasters
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Posted - 2007.10.12 11:40:00 -
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Trading is the best way to make money imo.
It can be almost totaly risk free (though this depends on how you do business) and the profit potential is HUGE. No one is going to tell you exactly how to do it though, it takes time to research the market and to setup your operation.
Getting starting capital is really a non-issue, a week or so doing lvl3's and you will have enough to make a go of it.
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Rilder
Caldari
THC LTD
Dogs of War.
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Posted - 2007.10.12 11:51:00 -
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I make about 5 mil per day... Yep richest person in eve right here. 
Its not about ability and stuff, I have acess to 0.0... the problem is lazyness, in 0.0 I rat a couple spawns then dock up cause its mind numbinly boring. In high sec, missions I do level 3s (Not quite ready to throw my Rokh into level 4s and Ravens can die) and make about 5 mil if I try.
I just can't sit there killing the same rats over and over, its grind and I can not grind.
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Aramendel
Amarr
North Face Force
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Posted - 2007.10.12 11:54:00 -
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Edited by: Aramendel on 12/10/2007 11:56:24
Originally by: SiJira
bpo makes more money than anything else...
if you are efficient
I really (really) hate to agree with SiJira, but he is right.
BPOs, or better, manufactoring provide the best income. That is BPOs in general, not only t2 ones btw.
Keep in mind that you are not only running one factory job, you are running up to 11.
Ratting can in theory make more isk, but doesn't due to one single limitation: time. If you rat in a very good area for 24 hours you can make 1 bil in a day, sure, but that is 24 hours being active. Which is not really realistic.
Personally I am doing (contract) trading, though, but that is mainly because I really (*really*) hate the .01 isk over/underbidding of the market and avoid it whenever possible.
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Xander Bastalle
Gallente
Bastalle Holdings
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Posted - 2007.10.12 12:02:00 -
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Originally by: Aramendel
Personally I am doing (contract) trading, though, but that is mainly because I really (*really*) hate the .01 isk over/underbidding of the market and avoid it whenever possible.
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cioran wyborowa
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Posted - 2007.10.13 00:11:00 -
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Originally by: Motokko
although the actual act of trading is very quick, finding those trades in the first place takes a lot of time.
Not really. There are only so many items in the game. Start with items you know you use but are never available in low sec or 00 where you roll. Then get hauling. It doesnt take that long to learn what sells and what doesnt. Experiment, make investments and reinvest the profits. Hauling makes much better cash than ratting per effort required. Bonus is that an auction has the ability to make cash 24x7. Nothing like logging in and seeing the wallet balance is raised by a hundred mil. ;)
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