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Slick Executioner
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2017.04.25 03:38:32 -
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I am LOVING this game, although three days in I realize I barely u der stand it all.
With that said, what is the overall status of the game? Are more people playing now than ever before (with the f2p option now)?
Are there a ton of new players joining?
Just curious.
Thanks! |
Soel Reit
Dambusters 617 Sq
866
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Posted - 2017.04.25 03:39:19 -
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*popcorn* |
Jenn aSide
Absolute Massive Destruction Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2017.04.25 03:43:01 -
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It's dying, of course.
Related, In 3 months and 6 days we will have our 14th Annual EVE is DYING!!!! day. woot.
For my dying day gift, I'd like a pony. A dead one, because it's dying day of curse. |
Slick Executioner
State War Academy Caldari State
8
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Posted - 2017.04.25 03:46:51 -
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What's wrong with asking this question? I didn't say it was dying...I was asking.
Popcorn...dork. |
Cybertherion
Pneumatic Cabal
22
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Posted - 2017.04.25 03:52:12 -
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OP the subject of EvE's health brings out the - ehm - "bratwurst" out of peeps on these boards. Old mate's popcorn reference is just because it's somewhat amusing to observe.
Nothing wrong with asking the question.
Blood is freedom stained.
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Soel Reit
Dambusters 617 Sq
866
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Posted - 2017.04.25 03:52:49 -
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ahahahahahhaha don't take it personally i'm just joking ahhahahaha
you genuinely just asked a question that will trigger the apocalipse you'll see by yourself how this thread will evolve! SoonGäó
one side will say: eve is dying SoonGäó another side: no! we have more players than before f2p!
then people will start arguing, pulling numbers from any part you can think of. at that point the genius arrives and proclaim that eve is already dead.
that is the signal to unleash hell on the thread! ISDs will come running from all the parts and blood will flow
finally OP will edit his question into "sorry, wrong question" and thread will be locked!
love you OP, and your genuine curiosity <3 GÖÑ |
Cybertherion
Pneumatic Cabal
23
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Posted - 2017.04.25 03:57:58 -
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Bring on the Wrecking MachineGäó.
Blood is freedom stained.
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Slick Executioner
State War Academy Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2017.04.25 04:06:47 -
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Oops, haha like you said I had no idea it would start that! It was a genuine question. Can you tell I'm new? Haha
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Nasar Vyron
S0utherN Comfort Test Alliance Please Ignore
183
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Posted - 2017.04.25 04:23:09 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:It's dying, of course. Related, In 3 months and 6 days we will have our 14th Annual EVE is DYING!!!! day. woot. For my dying day gift, I'd like a pony. A dead one, because it's dying day of curse.
No, I will give you a starving pony on the brink of death in a sealed crate. It's dying day, not dead day. I'll let you decide if it's really dead or not. |
Lothros Andastar
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
253
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Posted - 2017.04.25 05:42:19 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:It's dying, of course. Related, In 3 months and 6 days we will have our 14th Annual EVE is DYING!!!! day. woot. For my dying day gift, I'd like a pony. A dead one, because it's dying day of curse. Eve is indeed dying |
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Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker
1309
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Posted - 2017.04.25 06:48:38 -
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Obligatory
When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
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Posted - 2017.04.25 06:55:16 -
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Slick Executioner wrote:I am LOVING this game, although three days in I realize I barely u der stand it all.
With that said, what is the overall status of the game? Are more people playing now than ever before (with the f2p option now)?
Are there a ton of new players joining?
Just curious.
Thanks!
Overall status is unknown as CCP doesn't talks about it. Apparently there's more people playing it, but certainly not more than in the past. There was an outburst of new characters and server population after F2P, and both have receded. New character creation is about 15% higher than before F2P and peak server population is below last year's in the same dates. This could be caused because people on average stay logged in for shorter time, which would drive concurrency down even fi the overall population count (unique logins) was higher.
We could say that EVE is doing well for its age, but you can't be a videogame 14 years old and be 100% healthy.
Personally my hunch based on the current status is that EVE will last 3 or 4 years more.
Note: EVE will never die completely, rather it might become a undead cult game like Ultima Online. |
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
32285
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Posted - 2017.04.25 06:56:19 -
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1. These kind of threads always are trolls best environment here. That is why "popcorn" is a first reply. 2. Game is doing fine for what it is. 3. Game is dying. Of course it is.
Choose 2 or 3 and start trolling until ISD comes in and closes it, so people can have a break.
Every part of a game helps to tell a story =ƒôò
Where is Angry CONCORD guy when you need him
Osprey =ƒÜÇ
GëíGïüGëí GÖÑ
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
47654
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Posted - 2017.04.25 08:14:52 -
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Slick Executioner wrote:Oops, haha like you said I had no idea it would start that! It was a genuine question. Can you tell I'm new? Haha
If you look here you can get a trace of the maximum number of concurrent users everyday since the game went live:
http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility (click on 'All' in the menu at the top).
That will give you an idea of overall trend of growth/otherwise of the game, however it isn't a direct mapping of subscriptions or the number of people playing the game.
For example, at various times the game had no skill queue, a 24 hour skill queue, now a near unlimited skill queue. So over the life of the game, there have been different reasons for players to login or not (not only skill queue related. That's just one example).
So, in addition this presentation from CCP Quant at Fanfest in 2014 is worth watching (will go straight to the relevant part):
https://youtu.be/h-jfvjMoe9Y?t=195
So from that, in 2014:
PCU: 42,000 users Unique users per day: 175,000 Unique users per month: 420,000
As players we don't have exact numbers of how many subscribers there are.
The last reasonable number was from the creation of the EVE Monument, which has approximately 480,000 character names on it (each name representing 1 subscribed account on 31 March 2014, or thereabouts on the date).
Since then, there have been various estimates of decline to as low as low as 250,000 to about 400,000, so the number is likely to be somewhere in there.
Most recently, due to the skill injectors, CCP recorded a 30% increase in revenue last year, to the highest single year revenue in EVE history ($86,135,976).
My guess, there is somewhere around 300,000 - 320,000 subscribers and the game is overall pretty healthy. Certainly not at any risk of dying soon. |
roberts dragon
Beak Enterprises TRUE VINE
94
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Posted - 2017.04.25 11:46:15 -
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could say the players are dead and the game is alive . |
Vokan Narkar
New Eden Traders Aliance
12
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Posted - 2017.04.25 12:51:07 -
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roberts dragon wrote:could say the players are dead and the game is alive . some players are undead too |
Aiwha
Infinite Point Test Alliance Please Ignore
1251
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Posted - 2017.04.25 13:02:25 -
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Vokan Narkar wrote:roberts dragon wrote:could say the players are dead and the game is alive . some players are undead too
Sansha playable race when CCP?
Sanity is fun leaving the body.
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Vouid
Tarnak inc. ALAYS Reloaded
7
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Posted - 2017.04.25 13:11:33 -
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Eve has around 15-40k players at all times.
now check steam charts and see Eve would actually be around top 20 at all times and at top 10 at peak hours.
Surely it will not die, but it won't be around for ever. |
mkint
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Posted - 2017.04.25 13:27:36 -
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Scipio's information is the most interesting so far. Keep in mind that CCP's "record profits" likely come from a combination of subs, MT, and their VR tech. It's not known what the distribution is, but they keep hyping their VR tech that has nothing to do with EVE.
It's probably also useful to keep in mind that logins and subs and revenue aren't the only measures of health. The MER (monthly economic reports) which can be found through the dev posts button above give information about the activity in the game. It includes things like production vs destruction, isk faucets vs sinks, value of different market segments. I'm still not personally sure what the information in there says about the health of the game, though I do think it's dangerous to assume what's healthy for RL economies is healthy for the game. But I haven't put enough brainpower behind the significance of all the metrics, so I don't have a strong opinion on what they imply.
Maxim 6. If violence wasnGÇÖt your last resort, you failed to resort to enough of it.
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Joey Bags
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2017.04.25 13:37:36 -
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Slick Executioner welcome to EvE and more specifically welcome to the forums! Everyone is right that CCP doesn't release absolute figures however since I started playing (2008) I've witnessed several surges in popularity with big increases in active players online. I've witnessed several drops in population too. It fluctuates but after the Chinese isk farmer not purge I've noticed a general uptick in the amount of players online at any one moment over the years. I would say it's healthy but it's up to CCP to keep innovating and reinventing (and they do). Once you see a lack of effort in those areas, that's when EvE is dying for real.
You can pick your friends and you can pick your nose but you can't pick your friends nose.
Unless you podded them...and collected their corpse.
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Yebo Lakatosh
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
218
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Posted - 2017.04.25 13:47:29 -
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I have relevant and very important information that is my personal opinion. It's backed by very extensive thinking I regularly do.
EvE is really cool, and it is for everyone. Sadly not everyone is for EvE. And when they try it and fail to adapt, they go out with a loud bang.. sometimes. That may look unhealthy to the onlookers, but the game will last. The addicts will sustain it. And those who get deep enough get totally addicted.
Elite F1 pilot since YC119, incarnate of honor, integrity and tidi.
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TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
1932
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Posted - 2017.04.25 17:16:25 -
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Slick Executioner wrote:I am LOVING this game, although three days in I realize I barely u der stand it all.
With that said, what is the overall status of the game? Are more people playing now than ever before (with the f2p option now)?
Are there a ton of new players joining?
Just curious.
Thanks!
EVE has been dying for exactly 5072 days and will continue to die well into the future.
My YouTube Channel - EVE Tutorials & other game related things!
My Website - Blogs, Livestreams & Forums
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Lulu Lunette
Savage Moon Society
1555
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Posted - 2017.04.25 17:18:45 -
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I've only been playing a little over two years and have witnessed Eve having regular peaks and valleys. Cyclical.
@lunettelulu7
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Vic Jefferson
Brand Newbros Test Alliance Please Ignore
1238
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Posted - 2017.04.25 17:42:04 -
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It's a great time to be a new player if you join a major sov-bloc.The current sov system essentially turns new players into resources for the sov-blocs - the blocs need miners and ratters, and new players need easy access to resources and a good deal of guidance - it works out to being slightly mutually beneficial in the end probably.
It's a horrible time to join as a new player if you do not want to play sov-online. There really aren't that many growing entities or even the potential to grow as a non-sov entity right now. Low and NPC nullsec are basically ignored, and those are the places that effectively function as 'nurseries' for new groups of players looking to play the game as a non-sov entity. Generally I feel most gaming groups these days are smaller (on the order of 10-15), and these groups are basically forced by existing mechanics to either adopt a sov-alliance, or resign themselves to an area of space which isn't really curated or looked after.
They have done a great job on updating Sov-Online. It should, however, be possible to join and play your EvE Online.
Vote Vic Jefferson for CSM X.....XI.....XII?
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
8352
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Posted - 2017.04.25 18:40:44 -
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The game is the best it has ever been, warts and all. The devs and design team are doing a good job.
A kind of "great malaise" hit around late 2014 and the game is still lingering under it. The game is not going to die, but it's showing age.
And it has more to do with competition and options than anything else. One of the big draws for online gaming is customization of character and/or vehicles or equipment. Eve has always suffered from offering these beloved options while at the same time creating a need to grind for it. There was once a big blowup over expensive pants and monocles for example.
But since around 2010-2012 even FPS games have been offering customization options that players like - and even with skill sets too, let alone being able to put say a punisher skull on your plane/ship/tank/etc.
And without the grind and permaloss too.
We can make ourselves feel good and go all "hurr durr quick gratification killing civilization we're doomed buy a water filter" mode in the light of players showing they don't want to "invest" in Eve. But in reality, it's all games and people want to play a game. The weaponization of boredom in Eve is what came to a head in 2014 and with the other options out there in the market, people would just rather have fun. It's their game time they get to choose.
So the health of the game is static, and it's surviving. The MMO concept is becoming a dinosaur but the "product" of Eve is strong and has a fan base. If anything happens to the game it won't be around the proverbial "turning off the lights".
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
2682
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Posted - 2017.04.25 18:54:36 -
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Eve is already dead. It has then been found to be undead and lives by the rule "what is dead can never die"!
Serious answer Eve really is likely to stay around for the foreseeable future. Short of Eve being sold (it is on the market if I understand things) CCP will keep the lights on in the Eve verse. I think Eve is very much too close to the core of the true spirit of Iceland and as long as its in the hands of Vikings you will continue to be able to shoot strangers in space in the face.
Eve will never be much bigger but it really doesn't need to be. |
Sir BloodArgon Aulmais
Fortis Fortuna Adiuvatt Dot Dot Dot
101
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Posted - 2017.04.25 18:55:36 -
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The health is 1% structure. Forever dying, but forever not dying |
Shiloh Templeton
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
623
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Posted - 2017.04.26 04:02:26 -
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Slick Executioner wrote:I am LOVING this game, although three days in I realize I barely u der stand it all.
With that said, what is the overall status of the game? Are more people playing now than ever before (with the f2p option now)?
Are there a ton of new players joining?
Just curious.
Thanks! The game itself is arguably the best it's ever been. Although it might be having a bit of an identity crises as it goes from a game that prided itself on it's hard core nature and cliff of learning, to a more generally approachable game. The MMO aspect of the game is not at it's peak. Free to Play sparked a lot of sizzle, but it's proven hard to maintain. The bitter vets hang around with the hopes that CCP will introduce new features that spark their enthusiasm again.
But none of that matters for the type of new players that find Eve appealing. Which it sounds like you are.
Join a corp if you want to. But I can personally attest to the fact that it isn't a necessity to enjoy the game.
Welcome to Eve.
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Hello Meow Kitty
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
31
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Posted - 2017.04.26 04:08:17 -
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This game interests a small portion of the gaming community man. When activities take hours to do along with decade worth of training queue for ships and modules, don't look for the masses to be hooked. |
joshua tee
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2017.04.26 04:29:19 -
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doesnt seem to be good -- a day or two impressons |
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joshua tee
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2017.04.26 04:45:50 -
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Hello Meow Kitty wrote:This game interests a small portion of the gaming community man. When activities take hours to do along with decade worth of training queue for ships and modules, don't look for the masses to be hooked.
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joshua tee
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2017.04.26 04:53:55 -
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just have a look at teh forum |
radkid10
The Soul Society Army of New Eden
48
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Posted - 2017.04.26 07:02:44 -
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the game is nowhere near dead the problem is only three of the alliance's in the game I have all the player base |
Myriad Blaze
Common Sense Ltd Nulli Secunda
464
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Posted - 2017.04.26 07:22:02 -
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Nasar Vyron wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:It's dying, of course. Related, In 3 months and 6 days we will have our 14th Annual EVE is DYING!!!! day. woot. For my dying day gift, I'd like a pony. A dead one, because it's dying day of curse. No, I will give you a starving pony on the brink of death in a sealed crate. It's dying day, not dead day. I'll let you decide if it's really dead or not. Schr+¦dinger's Pony ? |
Cybertherion
Pneumatic Cabal
36
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Posted - 2017.04.26 08:36:52 -
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Can Schr+¦dinger's Pegasus please officially be adopted as a canonical term for these threads?
radkid10 wrote:the game is nowhere near dead the problem is only three of the alliance's in the game I have all the player base
And can All Your Base are Belong to Us please officially be...
... nah. Just seeing if cute avatars can smile.
Blood is freedom stained.
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ModusOperandi
Celestial Geologics Mineral Concern
24
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Posted - 2017.04.26 08:43:47 -
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I started playing back in '06, and the game has changed a lot. I am quite casual, so my opinion should be taken with a grain of salt, but I feel EVE is the best it has ever been. I don't like plex and the selling of skill points, but apparently I am in the minority on that. However, they have continuously upgraded the game, and if they keep up with it, I see EVE flourishing for a long time. I have no plans to ever quit, because there is simply NOTHING else like it. Not even close. |
Conar
My Wormhole Hurts
37
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Posted - 2017.04.26 14:31:29 -
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Sir BloodArgon Aulmais wrote:The health is 1% structure. Forever dying, but forever not dying
It is approaching 0% but never actually get to zero..... Or
If we refuse to research the question, it could be concluded that it is both alive and well and also dying.
Conar 07 |
Jenn aSide
Absolute Massive Destruction Test Alliance Please Ignore
15714
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Posted - 2017.04.26 14:50:11 -
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Hello Meow Kitty wrote:This game interests a small portion of the gaming community man. When activities take hours to do along with decade worth of training queue for ships and modules, don't look for the masses to be hooked.
And thank goodness for that. The only things on Earth that are both popular and 'good' at the same time are Air and Water. Everything thing else that appeals to the masses sucks. |
Ocean Ormand
Bagel and Lox
60
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Posted - 2017.04.26 14:50:34 -
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Eve is not dying. Rather it is already dead. Although dead, it just refuses to die, and continues to suck money from the wallets of its unsuspecting victims who are thereupon infected with an illness that makes them bitter and unable to leave. The best any eve player can hope for is endless lurking the forms making snarky comments about how eve was once a better place where everyone had endless solo pvp and no one was bored ever. |
Cybertherion
Pneumatic Cabal
37
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Posted - 2017.04.26 14:59:54 -
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Ocean Ormand wrote:Eve is not dying. Rather it is already dead.
Male cow **** you fire top slag. If it was dead you couldn't post this.
Blood is freedom stained.
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Ocean Ormand
Bagel and Lox
60
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Posted - 2017.04.26 15:16:01 -
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Cybertherion wrote:Ocean Ormand wrote:Eve is not dying. Rather it is already dead. Male cow s**t you fire top slag. If it was dead you couldn't post this.
Zombies are dead and they can walk. Eve is dead and I can post. /threaddone |
Hello Meow Kitty
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
31
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Posted - 2017.04.26 16:16:17 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Hello Meow Kitty wrote:This game interests a small portion of the gaming community man. When activities take hours to do along with decade worth of training queue for ships and modules, don't look for the masses to be hooked. And thank goodness for that. The only things on Earth that are both popular and 'good' at the same time are Air and Water. Everything thing else that appeals to the masses sucks.
There are a ton of great games out there and I disagree with your opinion that these types of games suck. There are probably a vast majority of gamers which would like to probably say spending hours trying to do something in EVE is asinine. |
Drago Shouna
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
738
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Posted - 2017.04.26 16:50:30 -
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Not dead, but definitely sickly atm.
Solecist Project...." They refuse to play by the rules and laws of the game and use it as excuse ..."
" They don't care about how you play as long as they get to play how they want."
Welcome to EVE.
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
2683
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Posted - 2017.04.26 16:56:51 -
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Cybertherion wrote:Ocean Ormand wrote:Eve is not dying. Rather it is already dead. Male cow s**t you fire top slag. If it was dead you couldn't post this. OP: Many EvE players are silver-spoon fed as*hats, who couldn't program a cheeseburger let alone an MMO. Their continual complaints about EvE has nothing to do with the game, they just act like they (once) knew/know how it was run. Fortune favours another mindset. Bittervets and redheads are terminal soulless diseases. EvE (which literally means life) is not part of their system.
Hey, I earned a living programming cheeseburgers for years! :-)
So for the record. I have been playing Eve non-stop for 12 years. I have been elected three times to the CSM. I can speak a bit about how Eve has changed. Here are how I see the differences.
1. Eve felt both bigger but emptier. 2. Eve was simpler. There were far fewer ships to consider for example. 3. Because almost everything was available from NPC vendors the economy held less upside for players. 4. You could make a decent living doing PVE trade, attacking NPC convoys or being part of the BPO lottery. 5. Null has expanded quite a bit. 6. Station interiors were more fun. They seemed like little cities. I miss pleasure hubs! 7. Character creation was less rich so our characters weren't as pretty! :-) 8. Tanking a gate gun was nontrivial. 9. It was harder to turn real dollars into ISKs as there was nothing like the Plex. 10. There were no moon wars as there was no moon mining or POS. 11. NRDS mostly didn't work in the early days either! 12. Eve was still spreadsheets in space even in the beginning. Much of how the Goons did so well back in the early days is they had some of the best folks using those spreadsheets to figure out how to best create the most effective fleets per isks. 13. The CSM served a purpose in the early days as it let the players hold CCP accountable when major exploits happened. 14. There were no mining barges. 15. In the early days we all dreamed of the day we'd have a lot of what we have today. 16. There was more space tourism. It seemed like there were a lot of special things to see in space and they were easier to identify in the map. 17. Eve was hard in the beginning and its is still hard today. But it isn't any harder today then it was then. 18. CCP seemed a bit more secretive with their plans to improve Eve. Of course it meant they didn't over promise as much. Think about the hype around walking in stations. 19. Eve was not as pretty, The Skybox background was fixed and the same where ever you were. 20. CCP promised smuggling was going to be a profession.
I'd love to hear from other folks that have been around for a while as to how they think Eve has evolved. I saw it very much from a more casual industrial point of view. I know others would have seen it differently.
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Jenn aSide
Absolute Massive Destruction Test Alliance Please Ignore
15717
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Posted - 2017.04.26 17:26:26 -
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Hello Meow Kitty wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Hello Meow Kitty wrote:This game interests a small portion of the gaming community man. When activities take hours to do along with decade worth of training queue for ships and modules, don't look for the masses to be hooked. And thank goodness for that. The only things on Earth that are both popular and 'good' at the same time are Air and Water. Everything thing else that appeals to the masses sucks. There are a ton of great games out there and I disagree with your opinion that these types of games suck. There are probably a vast majority of gamers which would like to probably say spending hours trying to do something in EVE is asinine.
Lol, "vast majority of gamers say" is like saying "the vast majority of Justin Bieber fans believe ...." Most of those people want nothing more than instant gratification.
Tell me, if you think like them, why are you here? It makes sense for people like me to be here, I love how EVE is like a 'forever' game, that things take times (so that when a thing is done, it feels good). I don't need instant gratification. But you seem to think that things take too long in EVE.
Do you think that CCP is going to speed things up for you or something?
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Jenn aSide
Absolute Massive Destruction Test Alliance Please Ignore
15717
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Posted - 2017.04.26 17:31:31 -
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Issler Dainze wrote: 15. In the early days we all dreamed of the day we'd have a lot of what we have today.
And yet few of those dreamers are happy. The said they wanted things, CCP gave them things, and they got bored or angry and left, or they are still here and angry lol.
This is why I tell the "change" crowd to be careful what you wish for. their standard retort is of course "you are just afraid of change". I'm not, I simply understand that everything (even progress) comes with a cost and you need to ask yourself if you want to pay that cost.
Lots of people don't even think to ask that question and end up bitter as hell. |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
3439
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Posted - 2017.04.26 17:45:44 -
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Here's an "EvE is Dying" thread from 2011.
I think I'm subbed until 2025ish... so hopefully not before then.
Signatures should be used responsibly...
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Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
32400
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Posted - 2017.04.26 17:48:18 -
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I have seen that expansions before 2010 added since launch a lot of additional features that added basically new professions to a game. Since I play from 2010 I have seen only iterations on those features.
Every part of a game helps to tell a story =ƒôò
Where is Angry CONCORD guy when you need him
Osprey =ƒÜÇ
GëíGïüGëí GÖÑ
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
6802
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Posted - 2017.04.26 17:50:01 -
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Whenever I read "EvE is dying", I can't help but to think of poor Chloe.
With this sort of an EvE community, EvE can't help but be immortal.
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
2684
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Posted - 2017.04.26 18:56:49 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Issler Dainze wrote: 15. In the early days we all dreamed of the day we'd have a lot of what we have today.
And yet few of those dreamers are happy. The said they wanted things, CCP gave them things, and they got bored or angry and left, or they are still here and angry lol. This is why I tell the "change" crowd to be careful what you wish for. their standard retort is of course "you are just afraid of change". I'm not, I simply understand that everything (even progress) comes with a cost and you need to ask yourself if you want to pay that cost. Lots of people don't even think to ask that question and end up bitter as hell.
I would agree with "be careful what you wish for". We got all sorts of things we thought we wanted but not everyone liked how it turned out.
A little while back I decided to step back from asking for things "I" want. Like smuggling and comet mining because I decided I'd rather be surprised with how ever CCP decided to change Eve. Sometime I liked those surprises, sometimes not so much. But I always enjoy not getting my hopes dashed when I try for a change I think I want and not seeing it happen.
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Shallanna Yassavi
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
508
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Posted - 2017.04.26 20:04:53 -
[51] - Quote
Nasar Vyron wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:It's dying, of course. Related, In 3 months and 6 days we will have our 14th Annual EVE is DYING!!!! day. woot. For my dying day gift, I'd like a pony. A dead one, because it's dying day of curse. No, I will give you a starving pony on the brink of death in a sealed crate. It's dying day, not dead day. I'll let you decide if it's really dead or not. Schrodinger's pony?
Would it be one of those blue ponies, or a normal pink one?
A signature :o
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Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
1586
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Posted - 2017.04.26 20:39:46 -
[52] - Quote
Tau Cabalander wrote:Whenever I read "EvE is dying", I can't help but to think of poor Chloe. With this sort of an EvE community, EvE can't help but be immortal. My friend needs clothes... Omg, just saw, it's going to be five years soon...
Remove standings and insurance.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
28169
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Posted - 2017.04.26 21:09:24 -
[53] - Quote
Mara Pahrdi wrote:Tau Cabalander wrote:Whenever I read "EvE is dying", I can't help but to think of poor Chloe. With this sort of an EvE community, EvE can't help but be immortal. My friend needs clothes... Omg, just saw, it's going to be five years soon... I go back and read the whole thread occasionally, it's one of the funniest threads I've ever seen.
In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.
New Player FAQ
Feyd's Survival Pack
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Jenn aSide
Perkone Caldari State
15723
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Posted - 2017.04.26 21:48:10 -
[54] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Issler Dainze wrote: 15. In the early days we all dreamed of the day we'd have a lot of what we have today.
And yet few of those dreamers are happy. The said they wanted things, CCP gave them things, and they got bored or angry and left, or they are still here and angry lol. This is why I tell the "change" crowd to be careful what you wish for. their standard retort is of course "you are just afraid of change". I'm not, I simply understand that everything (even progress) comes with a cost and you need to ask yourself if you want to pay that cost. Lots of people don't even think to ask that question and end up bitter as hell. I would agree with "be careful what you wish for". We got all sorts of things we thought we wanted but not everyone liked how it turned out. A little while back I decided to step back from asking for things "I" want. Like smuggling and comet mining because I decided I'd rather be surprised with how ever CCP decided to change Eve. Sometime I liked those surprises, sometimes not so much. But I always enjoy not getting my hopes dashed when I try for a change I think I want and not seeing it happen.
Same.
TBH I think that's the key to happiness. I've actually seen people get so worked up at CCP making a change, or CCP 'not responding to their feedback', or CCP not doing something they want, that they rage on the forums and even rage quit the game. They always come back and I sometimes get a laugh from it, but damn, it's just not that crucial lol.
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StonerPhReaK
Herb Men
645
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Posted - 2017.04.26 22:45:48 -
[55] - Quote
Eve is doing fine. Sadly, its the health of its player base that comes into question more times than not.
Signatures wer cooler when we couldn't remove them completely.
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Conrad Makbure
Trident Expedition
131
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Posted - 2017.04.26 23:05:01 -
[56] - Quote
Slick Executioner wrote:I am LOVING this game, although three days in I realize I barely u der stand it all.
With that said, what is the overall status of the game? Are more people playing now than ever before (with the f2p option now)?
Are there a ton of new players joining?
Just curious.
Thanks!
Overall sub status is classified, private. But apparently, it's all eyes on the null blocks. Forget high sec.
But seriously, how many people join AND stay for more than subscription cycle? We'll never know that. |
Hello Meow Kitty
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
31
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Posted - 2017.04.27 04:59:05 -
[57] - Quote
Jenn aSide wrote:Hello Meow Kitty wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Hello Meow Kitty wrote:This game interests a small portion of the gaming community man. When activities take hours to do along with decade worth of training queue for ships and modules, don't look for the masses to be hooked. And thank goodness for that. The only things on Earth that are both popular and 'good' at the same time are Air and Water. Everything thing else that appeals to the masses sucks. There are a ton of great games out there and I disagree with your opinion that these types of games suck. There are probably a vast majority of gamers which would like to probably say spending hours trying to do something in EVE is asinine. It makes sense for people like me to be here, I love how EVE is like a 'forever' game, that things take times (so that when a thing is done, it feels good). I don't need instant gratification. But you seem to think that things take too long in EVE
And the conundrum of how to bring new players to this game just started back at square one.
I'm glad you've found your "forever" game. I really envy you, seriously. It's like opening a box of chocolates and finding that one perfect flavor.=ƒÿé |
Soel Reit
Dambusters 617 Sq
893
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Posted - 2017.04.27 05:39:33 -
[58] - Quote
there exist 2 type of gamers: instant gratification one(majority),long term one(minority). each one of us fall in one of those two category.
the real problem is that CCP is transforming "a long term game"(perfect for long term players category) into a game that goes towards instant gratification players (check skill injectors, alpha, f2p and whatever).
it will end in two ways imo: - game will be halfway between the two category: discouraging long term players (too easy, you can buy everything with money, your skills that you trained for so long are now learn in 2 minutes by new players etc), discouraging instant gratification players (still too slow! i want have all skills as soon as i log in and go into pvp arena )
or
- complete shift toward instant gratification players... i mean..... i don't need to describe it right? you can see 20k example all around
we'll have our answers when big games will be released and improved: SC and ED plus keeping an eye on CCP development of eve (basically how much they push changes towards instant gratification players) |
Cybertherion
Pneumatic Cabal
42
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Posted - 2017.04.27 06:50:59 -
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Issler Dainze wrote:
Hey, I earned a living programming cheeseburgers for years! :-)
...
20. CCP promised smuggling was going to be a profession.
I find THAT very interesting. Could someone send a link to info on this (the smuggling part, not cheeseburgers)?
Blood is freedom stained.
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Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker
1322
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Posted - 2017.04.27 10:28:29 -
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Cybertherion wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:
Hey, I earned a living programming cheeseburgers for years! :-)
...
20. CCP promised smuggling was going to be a profession.
I find THAT very interesting. Could someone send a link to info on this (the smuggling part, not cheeseburgers)? Doubtful you can find any info on that still.. That was back in beta..
When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
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Jasmine Deer
Perkone Caldari State
54
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Posted - 2017.04.27 12:10:44 -
[61] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote: I would agree with "be careful what you wish for". We got all sorts of things we thought we wanted but not everyone liked how it turned out.
Yeah, like cheering for Goons when they were fighting BoB. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
2684
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Posted - 2017.04.27 16:25:01 -
[62] - Quote
Cybertherion wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:
Hey, I earned a living programming cheeseburgers for years! :-)
...
20. CCP promised smuggling was going to be a profession.
I find THAT very interesting. Could someone send a link to info on this (the smuggling part, not cheeseburgers)?
So the proof was the deprecated skill I proudly own, "Black Market Trading". It was supposed to make you less likely to be caught by customs agents. It never worked and in the best CCP tradition instead of fixing the bug, they nuked the skill.
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
2684
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Posted - 2017.04.27 16:26:27 -
[63] - Quote
Linus Gorp wrote:Cybertherion wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:
Hey, I earned a living programming cheeseburgers for years! :-)
...
20. CCP promised smuggling was going to be a profession.
I find THAT very interesting. Could someone send a link to info on this (the smuggling part, not cheeseburgers)? Doubtful you can find any info on that still.. That was back in beta..
No, years into the released game it was still a thing. A bugged thing. But a thing. I have the skill trained to 3. :-)
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Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
32417
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Posted - 2017.04.27 17:34:11 -
[64] - Quote
=ƒìö
I has cheezburger lvl 1. =ƒæî
Every part of a game helps to tell a story =ƒôò
Where is Angry CONCORD guy when you need him
Osprey =ƒÜÇ
GëíGïüGëí GÖÑ
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Eleonora Crendraven
Global Communications AG
130
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Posted - 2017.04.27 17:47:24 -
[65] - Quote
Jenn aSide wrote:It's dying, of course. Related, In 3 months and 6 days we will have our 14th Annual EVE is DYING!!!! day. woot. For my dying day gift, I'd like a pony. A dead one, because it's dying day of curse.
YESSSSS! A pink one, please
https://twitter.com/gcAG_EVE
http://eveboard.com/pilot/Eleonora_Crendraven
GëíGïüGëí
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Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
32419
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Posted - 2017.04.27 18:01:56 -
[66] - Quote
You can haz unicorn just now. =ƒªä
Every part of a game helps to tell a story =ƒôò
Where is Angry CONCORD guy when you need him
Osprey =ƒÜÇ
GëíGïüGëí GÖÑ
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
28179
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Posted - 2017.04.27 19:56:07 -
[67] - Quote
Nana Skalski wrote:You can haz unicorn just now. =ƒªä Nope, someone screwed up the unicorns long ago.
In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.
New Player FAQ
Feyd's Survival Pack
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Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker
1322
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Posted - 2017.04.29 19:23:15 -
[68] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Linus Gorp wrote:Cybertherion wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:
Hey, I earned a living programming cheeseburgers for years! :-)
...
20. CCP promised smuggling was going to be a profession.
I find THAT very interesting. Could someone send a link to info on this (the smuggling part, not cheeseburgers)? Doubtful you can find any info on that still.. That was back in beta.. No, years into the released game it was still a thing. A bugged thing. But a thing. I have the skill trained to 3. :-) Black Market Trading is a relic from beta that CCP never did anything with and hence it was deprecated when they "normalized" the character creation process and made every race equal.
The racial specific skills never worked and they never will.
When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
8376
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Posted - 2017.04.29 20:17:18 -
[69] - Quote
We once had trailers like this and there were once ideas for there to be multiple ways to play the game, like as a clone soldier or fighter pilot too.
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker
1322
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Posted - 2017.04.30 09:20:35 -
[70] - Quote
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:We once had trailers like this and there were once ideas for there to be multiple ways to play the game, like as a clone soldier or fighter pilot too. DUST514 and Valkyrie...
When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
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Blade Darth
Room for Improvement Limited Expectations
85
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Posted - 2017.05.07 04:33:59 -
[71] - Quote
Eve is 13 (or 16, I'm drunk and have trouble counting) years old. 99% mmo's are dead after 3 years or become p2w sh****les. The game is "dying" but it's doing it so slowly that new players have a chance to join and updates have enough support to roll out, keeping the cycle alive. As long as CCP doesn't do something utterly stupid (like the infamous SW: Galaxies update) it will continue until heat death of the universe.
I'd say overall health is 4/5. Could be better but it's a niche game for a somewhat adult audience and spreadsheet fans. |
Johan Civire
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1175
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Posted - 2017.05.07 13:27:18 -
[72] - Quote
Nana Skalski wrote:1. These kind of threads always are trolls best environment here. That is why "popcorn" is a first reply. 2. Game is doing fine for what it is. 3. Game is dying. Of course it is.
Choose 2 or 3 and start trolling until ISD comes in and closes it, so people can have a break.
Not sure what you think that the game is "fine" but if that`s your mean account is then it`s ok to say this nonsense. The game is not "fine".
The trying to earn money buy selling isk selling sp and selling store nonsense. Also the making the game more casual. Activision any one? Or EA style.
I`m stilling waiting for the eve mobile nonsense phone games. Sins that`s where the marketing is. People spend $$$$ way to many money on that "games".
I can relate to that i`m playing a game called "zombie slayer" on Facebook for more than 6 years. I never ever put a dollar in it. Some dude with tons of money buy his way up in less than 1 year. So that`s how this marketing works.
Eve is a old game and marketing strategy of this game is redounded. And that`s why CCP is making this turn around nonsense. Or old folks are a dying breed.
I`m not saying eve is dying just saying eve is on the path to making the game easy mode or pay to win crap. And that`s 1 big reason i`m not sub to this game anymore. Just ready the forum and hoping the game gets back where it was. But i guess i`m one of the few members left.
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Major Xadi
Mercenary Logistics Ltd.
85
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Posted - 2017.05.08 11:22:47 -
[73] - Quote
Johan Civire wrote:[quote=Nana Skalski] old folks are a dying breed.
Now.....that's priceless right there. And just one of the reasons why I find GD more entertaining than cable TV.
If EvE dies before I do, (I'm one of those old folks) I hope CCP keeps the forums going anyway so I never pay a cable bill again. |
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
33173
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Posted - 2017.05.08 12:05:09 -
[74] - Quote
Major Xadi wrote:Johan Civire wrote:[quote=Nana Skalski] old folks are a dying breed.
Now.....that's priceless right there. And just one of the reasons why I find GD more entertaining than cable TV. If EvE dies before I do, (I'm one of those old folks) I hope CCP keeps the forums going anyway so I never pay a cable bill again. Aside from a fact that I had nothing to do with those words, I think the audience here in general is fairly vintage and they are used to this looks and behavior of the forum. That is why I think new forums made using Discourse template will completely ruin it for those people.
So better dont cancel your cable.
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n++n+ên+àn+Æn+à n+ën+ô n+ín+Än+çn+Æn+Ö n+ún+»n+«n+ún+»n+¦n+ñ n+çn+òn+Ö n+ùn+ên+àn+Ä n+Ön+Ån+ò n+Än+àn+àn+ä n+ên+ën+ì
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Kaivarian Coste
Placid Peace Corps
148
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Posted - 2017.07.22 11:53:55 -
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The game is still breathing. But at this point, I get the feeling that CCP is more interested in milking EvE rather than extending its life.
Revenue is up but overall player numbers appear down. I used to be a trader back in 2012 or so, you could setup shop in even a minor mission hub and still make 100m+ isk per week. Those days are long gone. The customers just aren't there anymore. |
Vanessa Celtis
Vanessa Atalanta
29
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Posted - 2017.07.22 19:52:59 -
[76] - Quote
The biggest misconception in EvE I would like to put back straight:
- your character cannot die in EvE, it's impossible, only your ship or your stuff can be destroyed and a minute later you can replace it. Watch the introduction movie again very carefully ! - you cannot delete your character neither, even if you biomass it, it stays forever in New Eden, and can technically be restored back into the game. - the less players, the better, because the more ressources are available for you. - Eve online cannot die neither, it can only change hands. - you as a player/person will die before EvE, that is 99% probable. Your in-game character will survive you, did you even one minute realize this?
The only thing which can die in all this is CCP, and we all hope it won't happen ! |
Algarion Getz
Aideron Corp
536
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Posted - 2017.07.22 21:24:06 -
[77] - Quote
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:We once had trailers like this and there were once ideas for there to be multiple ways to play the game, like as a clone soldier or fighter pilot too. Ah, those were the times. Back then CCP was actually spending money on EVE and gave us something to look forward to. Player numbers were twice as high.
Now they are just milking EVE. Nothing to look forward to, game development goes at snails pace, monetizaion has #1 priority, bait and switch balancing, passive ISK incomes are rampant, huge ISK faucets unbalance the game, but nothing is done against it ... Anything goes as long as it benefits CCP revenues. |
MedusaGalactic oO-V-Oo
Federation Star Invention
8
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Posted - 2017.07.23 11:12:23 -
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About here for 8 months, and so thrilled by game experience basically up till last week never even been to forums. Just enjoy it! A lot of players have just simply no time to react because just to much awesome gametime lost. FLy FLy fly into this space and see for yourself, i totally love it! |
Peta Chieve
White Partyhat Headquarters White Partyhat Trading Company
9
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Posted - 2017.07.23 12:28:35 -
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I think the health of EVE is pretty good, I think CCP are making a lot of really good choices at the moment, that are intended to help keep EVE going. I also think the community is improving, and with the changes to come in the next two years, i think it will continue to improve. The large number of people currently "leaving" the game, I suspect are bitter-vets, who are tired of complaining about this and that, and have finally bit the bullet. So give it a year or two, and i think EVE will be on the grow once again and better than ever, having cemented it's existence as one of the longest living MMORPGs around, aswell as one of the best dev and player relationships.
Proud CEO of White Partyhat Trading Company
To contact us, feel free to join our discord: White Partyhat Trading Company
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Revis Owen
The Conference Elite CODE.
550
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Posted - 2017.07.23 23:20:37 -
[80] - Quote
Nasar Vyron wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:It's dying, of course. Related, In 3 months and 6 days we will have our 14th Annual EVE is DYING!!!! day. woot. For my dying day gift, I'd like a pony. A dead one, because it's dying day of curse. No, I will give you a starving pony on the brink of death in a sealed crate. It's dying day, not dead day. I'll let you decide if it's really dead or not. I will give a cat in a box. It is both dead AND alive, as long as you keep the box closed.
Come to think of it, that's the best analogy for Eve's state. Thanks, Schroedinger!
Agent of the New Order
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If you do not have a current Mining Permit, please contact me for issuance.
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