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ho chiminh
Gallente
SlackaNova
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Posted - 2007.05.09 19:44:00 -
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I thought that this would probably merit it's own thread. It is actually a continuation of an existing thread.
As per the OP's original question-"What is a dedicated miner to do"?
In North America May 15, 2007 has been declared "no gas day" to protest the ridiculous price of gasoline. Everyone is discouraged to purchase gasoline on that day which is estimated to cost the oil and gas industry about 3 Billion US dollars. I encourage you Euro brothers and sisters to join in as well and teach those *******s a world wide lesson.
A similar protest may be effective in Eve.
I propose that the week of June 1 to June 8 2007, be declared "no mine week". All miners agreeing not to mine for that whole week should have a noticeable impact on the market.
I also propose that a corporation be formed on May 31 2007, to be called "The Mining Corp".
I would ask that all miners quit their current corps and join this new corp for 1 wk only. You can always rejoin your original corp after the week is up.
Any miners not in this corp on June 1 should be immediately war-decced and destroyed.
This should be done in order to force the devs to deal with the issues that miners and industrialists have been pressing for some time.
As PAYING players we expect our concerns to be dealt with seriously and expeditiously. At a minimum we expect devs to be involved and active in the industrial forums.
I don't have the skills or desire to CEO this corp so I hereby nominate the Hulk pilot with the oldest character to accept this responsibilty and lead the industrialist revolution.
As for an activity during our strike week I suggest we roam in frigate blobs and finally deal with Macroer's the way they deserve to be dealt with.
That is what I believe a dedicated miner should do.
I want to thank everyone who posted their thoughts and ideas in this forum.
If CCP decides to ban me....well it's been a slice.
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Gladia Horusthu
Gallente
Anything Inc.
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Posted - 2007.05.09 19:49:00 -
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Lots of issues haven't been dealt with.
What makes you think your case is so special?
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Captain Neutron
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.05.09 20:01:00 -
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 Originally by: ho chiminh
Everyone is discouraged to purchase gasoline on that day
No.
Originally by: ho chiminh
All miners agreeing not to mine for that whole week
And no.
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Janu Hull
Caldari
Order of Z Industries
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Posted - 2007.05.09 20:03:00 -
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I refuse to participate in "No Gas" days. The last time I tried to go a whole day without gas, I farted so bad I blew a hole in my shorts.
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Lance Hawke
Autopsy Inc
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Posted - 2007.05.09 20:03:00 -
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mine.
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
Requiem of Hades
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Posted - 2007.05.09 20:03:00 -
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"no mine week" would make no difference because CCP only cares about fighters and not us crafters.
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ho chiminh
Gallente
SlackaNova
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Posted - 2007.05.09 20:05:00 -
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My case isn't special.
Miners and industrialists have legitimate complaints that have never been dealt with by CCP.
The best example is jet canning. It's an exploit. CCP acknowledged it a long time ago, but has never instituted a fix, despite several years worth of suggestions from active miners.
There are many threads full of suggestions and wish lists. CCP ignores them all and in fact does not even respond to requests to join the forum discussion.
I don't expect CCP to do "what miners want", but I do expect them to devote resources to fixing exploits and dead end professions.
I'm not posting this as another whiny thread, I am suggesting action. A miner boycott similar to the RL gasoline boycott to make CCP do something-even if it's not what we miners want to be done.
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Gladia Horusthu
Gallente
Anything Inc.
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Posted - 2007.05.09 20:20:00 -
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You are certainly entitled to your attempt to organize protests by other players. It's not as though you are trying to overburden the servers, and CCP has always backed the use of oog strategies to victory in Eve.
Good luck organizing anything substantial though.
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ho chiminh
Gallente
SlackaNova
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Posted - 2007.05.09 20:24:00 -
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Quote:
You are certainly entitled to your attempt to organize protests by other players. It's not as though you are trying to overburden the servers, and CCP has always backed the use of oog strategies to victory in Eve.
Thanks for your encouragement.
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Pheusia
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.05.09 20:28:00 -
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In answer to your rhetorical question, you could do what I'm doing: Reskill
Hope you won't wardec me because I have Exhumers skill trained...
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ho chiminh
Gallente
SlackaNova
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Posted - 2007.05.09 20:33:00 -
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Quote:
In answer to your rhetorical question, you could do what I'm doing: Reskill
Actually, if you were "caught" mining without being a member of the corp, your corp would be war-decced and blobbed by miners in T1 frigates and cruisers.
Think of it as "enforced solidarity". Personally I think Stalin would be proud.
Fortunately it would only be for 1 week.
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Derovius Vaden
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Posted - 2007.05.09 20:38:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
"no mine week" would make no difference because CCP only cares about fighters and not us crafters.
I prefer to be called a builder, it sounds less fruity than "crafter".
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Mighty Dread
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.05.09 20:51:00 -
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I'd love to see the ability to unionize miners, haulers, crafters, all industry. I mean, EVE is a PVP game right? so Industrialist should be able to fight back with the skills they have.
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ho chiminh
Gallente
SlackaNova
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Posted - 2007.05.09 20:59:00 -
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Quote:
I'd love to see the ability to unionize miners, haulers, crafters, all industry. I mean, EVE is a PVP game right? so Industrialist should be able to fight back with the skills they have.
Actually the ability has been there all along AFAIK. The implementation has been lacking.
That however is not my intent. My intent is to create a short term protest corp in an attempt to cause some short term market havoc, to grab Devs attention and get some clear responses and direction from CCP as to the many requests from miners/industrialists that have gone unanswered.
Again I am not necessarily looking for the Devs to "fall down and fix mining". I'm really just looking for 2-way communucation between GM's and players, and an active interest in fixing existing problems before adding new features.
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Janu Hull
Caldari
Order of Z Industries
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Posted - 2007.05.09 21:02:00 -
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Originally by: ho chiminh
My case isn't special.
Miners and industrialists have legitimate complaints that have never been dealt with by CCP.
The best example is jet canning. It's an exploit. CCP acknowledged it a long time ago, but has never instituted a fix, despite several years worth of suggestions from active miners.
There are many threads full of suggestions and wish lists. CCP ignores them all and in fact does not even respond to requests to join the forum discussion.
I don't expect CCP to do "what miners want", but I do expect them to devote resources to fixing exploits and dead end professions.
I'm not posting this as another whiny thread, I am suggesting action. A miner boycott similar to the RL gasoline boycott to make CCP do something-even if it's not what we miners want to be done.
What's wrong with jetcanning? It comes with its own risks to balance the reward of far larger hauls.
This is my sig, there are many others just like it. With me, my sig is worthless. Without (or with even) my sig, I am worthless... |
WGAnubis Marrith
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Posted - 2007.05.09 21:05:00 -
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You go after miners who dont go with your Miners Union, how long do you think until your war declared by several dozen corp's? Whats more, how many corperations would be willing to take back their miners who left their corp for a week and started bullying other miners who didnt go along with their idea?
If you want to change the way the things are done dont go around attacking the players, go after CCP by boycotting them.
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ho chiminh
Gallente
SlackaNova
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Posted - 2007.05.09 21:16:00 -
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Quote:
What's wrong with jetcanning? It comes with its own risks to balance the reward of far larger hauls.
I actually agree with your second sentence. However, CCP actually considers it to be an exploit. An exploit that has remained unchanged/unfixed since Beta(please correct me if I'm mistaken-Ho is not that old).
I of course have used jetcanning more than any other mining techniques. It's the most efficient way to mine.
The point of the protest is to encourage CCP to deal with the exploits, and to take seriously and address the issues that industrialists/miners bring to their attention.
Communicating and participating with industrialists/miners in the forums is the first step. Read-only Dev Blogs are not the way too address the issues.
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Vitrael
Advanced Security And Asset Protection
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Posted - 2007.05.09 21:19:00 -
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Originally by: ho chiminh
Quote:
What's wrong with jetcanning? It comes with its own risks to balance the reward of far larger hauls.
However, CCP actually considers it to be an exploit. An exploit that has remained unchanged/unfixed since Beta(please correct me if I'm mistaken-Ho is not that old).
You are mistaken.
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Malcanis
High4Life
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Posted - 2007.05.09 21:20:00 -
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"your corp would be war-decced and blobbed by miners in T1 frigates and cruisers."
Really..? EVE miners need "Molly Maguires", eh?
Presumably this corp would cover it's... administration costs with a "small levy"?
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ho chiminh
Gallente
SlackaNova
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Posted - 2007.05.09 21:26:00 -
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Quote:
You go after miners who dont go with your Miners Union, how long do you think until your war declared by several dozen corp's?
So what? The corp will only exist for 7 or 8 days. Feel free to waste your isk on war decs. All the hulks and T2 stripminers will be docked. Only targets would most likely be T1 Frigs and Cruisers.
Quote:
Whats more, how many corperations would be willing to take back their miners who left their corp for a week and started bullying other miners who didnt go along with their idea?
Every corp that doesn't want to pay full market price for their refined mins and ice.
Quote:
If you want to change the way the things are done dont go around attacking the players, go after CCP by boycotting them.
In a PVP game, why on earth would I not attack players? The rats sure as hell can't fight back.
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WGAnubis Marrith
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Posted - 2007.05.09 21:46:00 -
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Originally by: ho chiminh
Quote:
You go after miners who dont go with your Miners Union, how long do you think until your war declared by several dozen corp's?
So what? The corp will only exist for 7 or 8 days. Feel free to waste your isk on war decs. All the hulks and T2 stripminers will be docked. Only targets would most likely be T1 Frigs and Cruisers.
Quote:
Whats more, how many corperations would be willing to take back their miners who left their corp for a week and started bullying other miners who didnt go along with their idea?
Every corp that doesn't want to pay full market price for their refined mins and ice.
Quote:
If you want to change the way the things are done dont go around attacking the players, go after CCP by boycotting them.
In a PVP game, why on earth would I not attack players? The rats sure as hell can't fight back.
It wouldnt matter if eve is a pvp game or not. Your going after the players who dont have access to the games coding or policy of how things work at CCP. All CCP would say or do in light of it happening would be that it's completely legal in the game itself and that would be it, nothing else. You want to send a message to CCP to change their ways, hit them in the wallet long enough for them to wince.
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Major Stormer
Caldari
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.05.09 21:49:00 -
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Quote:
"What is a dedicated miner to do"?
Just off the top of my head..but.. mine?
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Gothikia
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Posted - 2007.05.09 21:54:00 -
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EVE isn't a "PVP Game"... Its a virtual universe, and we the citizens.
CCP try to balance EVE to be the best of ALL worlds. They always have and I suspect they always will. It is just what you make of it...
Interesting discussion tho... unions would be nice, and would certainly add another aspect of realism. Of course not all corporations, alliances or business partners would see the "fair" side, and just kill you, but such is life in a heartless cold capitalistic society... I'm talking about EVE here folks 
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snaike
Advocates
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Posted - 2007.05.09 22:34:00 -
[24]
Originally by: Janu Hull
I refuse to participate in "No Gas" days. The last time I tried to go a whole day without gas, I farted so bad I blew a hole in my shorts.
I lol'd
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Necrosmith
Gallente
Eth3real
3asy Company
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Posted - 2007.05.09 22:39:00 -
[25]
Quote:
I propose that the week of June 1 to June 8 2007, be declared "no mine week". All miners agreeing not to mine for that whole week should have a noticeable impact on the market.
Damn, I'm gonna make a ton of money mining that week!
Best Regards,
--Necro
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ho chiminh
Gallente
SlackaNova
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Posted - 2007.05.09 22:48:00 -
[26]
In the hopes of forestalling the thread being derailed.
It is my intent to organize a short term protest corp to bring attention to miner/industrialist issues within Eve. As a paying player I would like my choice of profession to be acknowledged as equal to the other professions in terms of known issues, exploits and complaints being treated equally in being addressed and in some cases even acknowledged by Devs. Some 2-way communication vis a vis these forums is a good place to start.
For a comprehensive listing of these issues feel free to browse the several hundred other posts in these forums benevolently labeled as "carebear whines". I will not repost them here.
I am willing to work with pretty much anybody to show Eve that miner/industrialists can wield a very big stick.
I will be in game later tonight. Feel free to convo or Eve-mail. I am at GMT-8.
And don't forget to NOT buy gasoline on May 15, 2007.
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SiJira
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Posted - 2007.05.09 22:48:00 -
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Originally by: ho chiminh
I thought that this would probably merit it's own thread. It is actually a continuation of an existing thread.
As per the OP's original question-"What is a dedicated miner to do"?
In North America May 15, 2007 has been declared "no gas day" to protest the ridiculous price of gasoline. Everyone is discouraged to purchase gasoline on that day which is estimated to cost the oil and gas industry about 3 Billion US dollars. I encourage you Euro brothers and sisters to join in as well and teach those *******s a world wide lesson.
A similar protest may be effective in Eve.
I propose that the week of June 1 to June 8 2007, be declared "no mine week". All miners agreeing not to mine for that whole week should have a noticeable impact on the market.
I also propose that a corporation be formed on May 31 2007, to be called "The Mining Corp".
I would ask that all miners quit their current corps and join this new corp for 1 wk only. You can always rejoin your original corp after the week is up.
Any miners not in this corp on June 1 should be immediately war-decced and destroyed.
This should be done in order to force the devs to deal with the issues that miners and industrialists have been pressing for some time.
As PAYING players we expect our concerns to be dealt with seriously and expeditiously. At a minimum we expect devs to be involved and active in the industrial forums.
I don't have the skills or desire to CEO this corp so I hereby nominate the Hulk pilot with the oldest character to accept this responsibilty and lead the industrialist revolution.
As for an activity during our strike week I suggest we roam in frigate blobs and finally deal with Macroer's the way they deserve to be dealt with.
That is what I believe a dedicated miner should do.
I want to thank everyone who posted their thoughts and ideas in this forum.
If CCP decides to ban me....well it's been a slice.
as i wrote in the other thread any gas not bought at such a strike is only sold the next day or a few days after
the big money holders DONT GIVE A ---
so good luck with your plan that fails to understand economics 101
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_sig below_
the jet cans are made so that people that dont mine can get free ore
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Sc0rpion
Minmatar
MetaForge
Ekliptika
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Posted - 2007.05.09 23:14:00 -
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Originally by: ho chiminh
In North America May 15, 2007 has been declared "no gas day" to protest the ridiculous price of gasoline. Everyone is discouraged to purchase gasoline on that day which is estimated to cost the oil and gas industry about 3 Billion US dollars. I encourage you Euro brothers and sisters to join in as well and teach those *******s a world wide lesson.
Yeah, those always work out so well. "Oh nos! 0.00004% of our customer base put off filling up thier tanks until Wednesday! We're roo-ined!!11"
They have us by the short and curlies. You know it, I know it, and they certainly know it.
The true secret to enjoying life is to live it dangerously.
-Friedrich Nietzsche
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Lord Saradomin
Gallente
New Justice Technologies
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Posted - 2007.05.09 23:29:00 -
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Originally by: ho chiminh
In North America May 15, 2007 has been declared "no gas day" to protest the ridiculous price of gasoline. Everyone is discouraged to purchase gasoline on that day which is estimated to cost the oil and gas industry about 3 Billion US dollars. I encourage you Euro brothers and sisters to join in as well and teach those *******s a world wide lesson.
The one thing in the world which gets on my nerves! Americans complaining about PETROL prices!
1: It's not gas its a liquid!
2: Come over to the UK or anywhere in Europe(that's outside of the United States and a whole seperate continent) the prices are more than double!!
Originally by: ho chiminh
A similar protest may be effective in Eve.
No it won't 
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ho chiminh
Gallente
SlackaNova
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Posted - 2007.05.09 23:55:00 -
[30]
As for the rest of you lot:
I should have known that to try and escape from the real world of negative, *****y, whiney and defeatist slackin' Gen X ****tards for some online fun wasn't gonna happen.
Ashamed of my generation,
Ho
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