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Lord Saradomin
Gallente
New Justice Technologies
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Posted - 2007.05.09 23:55:00 -
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 Originally by: ho chiminh
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Totally off topic but what the hell.
The one thing in the world which gets on my nerves? Eurotwits who when looking on the map fail to notice the second largest country on the earth where so much of the oil and gas comes from.
Why do you pay double? Because we want you to.
If it were up to me you would pay 5 times because you don't have any.
Alberta FTW.
It's a sad fact that we did have some in the North Sea but we sold it all 
That's how clever we are....
By the way Canada (your neighbour to the north) is the second largest country in the world with 9,970,610km2, you have 9,629,091km2 third with China...
love wikipedia...
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ho chiminh
Gallente
SlackaNova
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Posted - 2007.05.09 23:57:00 -
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That's Canada where Alberta is from.
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Lord Saradomin
Gallente
New Justice Technologies
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Posted - 2007.05.10 00:03:00 -
[33]
That's Canada where Alberta is, yes.
Back to your OP what do you think the protests will achieve in EVE?
There is only so much CCP can do about macroers as they are really hard to detect...
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ho chiminh
Gallente
SlackaNova
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Posted - 2007.05.10 00:14:00 -
[34]
Macroer's are fairly easy to detect actually. I steal their ore regularly. It is one of the most efficient mining techniques in the game.
What I hope to accomplish is some attention being paid to the industrial aspects of the game.
There are many threads with some fairly innovative and creative ways to improve this aspect of gameplay and to fix current issues. The reason behind the protest is to get CCP to implement some of them. I'm not advocating any specific measure, just for CCP to acknowledge that this side of Eve is necessary and some thought be put into it.
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Shakuul
Caldari
The Imperial Commonwealth
The Sundering
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Posted - 2007.05.10 00:17:00 -
[35]
This sort of already happened, when chinese farmer miners switched from mining to NPCing (apparently), driving the price of low ends way up. Thanks to that, you guys can now make 2-3x as much mining low ends.
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WGAnubis Marrith
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Posted - 2007.05.10 01:04:00 -
[36]
Originally by: ho chiminh
As for the rest of you lot:
I should have known that to try and escape from the real world of negative, *****y, whiney and defeatist slackin' Gen X ****tards for some online fun wasn't gonna happen.
Ashamed of my generation,
Ho
Honestly what did you expect? You talk about forcing a protest on anyone who doesnt go with you, a protest that would only last one week in which in actuality the people that would hurt the most are the actual miners who didnt mine. If you want to protest do it yourself peacefully, dont drag us with you.
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SiJira
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Posted - 2007.05.10 01:15:00 -
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Originally by: Sc0rpion
Yeah, those always work out so well. "Oh nos! 0.00004% of our customer base put off filling up thier tanks until Wednesday! We're roo-ined!!11"
They have us by the short and curlies. You know it, I know it, and they certainly know it.
well said
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Posted - 2007.05.10 01:17:00 -
[38]
Originally by: ho chiminh
As for the rest of you lot:
I should have known that to try and escape from the real world of negative, *****y, whiney and defeatist slackin' Gen X ****tards for some online fun wasn't gonna happen.
Ashamed of my generation,
Ho
oh so you are calling us dumb because you cant understand that if an alternative to fuel is not found then people will buy it the next day anyways?
raged FTW?
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Le Skunk
Privateers
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.10 01:43:00 -
[39]
Originally by: ho chiminh
In North America May 15, 2007 has been declared "no gas day" to protest the ridiculous price of gasoline. Everyone is discouraged to purchase gasoline on that day which is estimated to cost the oil and gas industry about 3 Billion US dollars. I encourage you Euro brothers and sisters to join in as well and teach those *******s a world wide lesson.
The price of 'gas' in the UK is something like three times as much as the USA.
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ho chiminh
Gallente
SlackaNova
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Posted - 2007.05.10 01:49:00 -
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Quote:
Honestly what did you expect? You talk about forcing a protest on anyone who doesnt go with you, a protest that would only last one week in which in actuality the people that would hurt the most are the actual miners who didnt mine. If you want to protest do it yourself peacefully, dont drag us with you.
Actually I expected more support from the mining/industrial community for proposing an action to get Eve's attention. In the longrun I believe that miners will benefit from increased Dev attention. Any pain experienced by individuals or corps is designed to be temporary, and more than alleviated by future gains.
Basically "No Pain - No Gain"
As for "dragging us" - If you don't want to be dragged then choose a single player game. Every one of the several hundred thousand subscribers is currently dragging you along.
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ho chiminh
Gallente
SlackaNova
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Posted - 2007.05.10 01:51:00 -
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oh so you are calling us dumb because you cant understand that if an alternative to fuel is not found then people will buy it the next day anyways?
I'm not calling anyone dumb. I apologize for my language. My generation is a pet peeve and an emotional subject for me.
And fuel is not the topic of this thread.
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Tareen Kashaar
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.05.10 02:22:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
"no mine week" would make no difference because CCP only cares about fighters and not us crafters.
Dude... for ****'s sake, if I read the word "crafters" one more time, I'm going to throw a hissy fit, and it's not going to be pretty. They're called "INDUSTRIALISTS" in EVE, understand?! This is not Vanguard: Saga of Heroes!
To the OP: Your proposal would have no impact at all. While a hypothetical one day loss of gas sales would hurt the oil industry, a shortage of Tritanium doesn't hurt CCP in any way. And even if everyone in your country would not buy gas for a total of one day, I bet my behind that the total gas sales wouldn't be impacted in the slightest. People would still drive their cars, as such still consume gas, they would just buy more the day before and the day after.
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Tareen Kashaar
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.05.10 02:25:00 -
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And as for this getting CCP's attention, a proper marketing campaign with a concept would likely help more. What your issues need is publicity, not a small dent in some statistic on a server cluster in London. It probably wouldn't even be noticed.
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WGAnubis Marrith
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Posted - 2007.05.10 02:34:00 -
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Originally by: ho chiminh
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Honestly what did you expect? You talk about forcing a protest on anyone who doesnt go with you, a protest that would only last one week in which in actuality the people that would hurt the most are the actual miners who didnt mine. If you want to protest do it yourself peacefully, dont drag us with you.
Actually I expected more support from the mining/industrial community for proposing an action to get Eve's attention. In the longrun I believe that miners will benefit from increased Dev attention. Any pain experienced by individuals or corps is designed to be temporary, and more than alleviated by future gains.
Basically "No Pain - No Gain"
As for "dragging us" - If you don't want to be dragged then choose a single player game. Every one of the several hundred thousand subscribers is currently dragging you along.
So by your point of view, you attacking anyone who doesnt go along with your protest isnt designed to be mean but rather to help them. Right, I can perfectly see how you and your group attacking a miners lively hood, IE their barge/exhumer, destroying it, setting them back between potentally 10-300 million ISK plus time lost getting a new ship, modules and really anything else that they need to operate is helping them. Yeah, makes perfect sence.
Just so we clearify here though. I dont have a problem with you protesting how CCP treats miners, im a miner myself as well as an industrialist. I mine and build my own gear as well as mine and build the gear for my friends and I have quite the problem when you say if I dont side with you you are going to come after me and attack my means of income in this game.
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Asael
Caldari
Nathlin Enterprises Inc.
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Posted - 2007.05.10 06:27:00 -
[45]
Edited by: Asael on 10/05/2007 06:23:35
Hmm, so i get a war declaration if i mine during a certain period for not participating in a protest which is related to something which has nothing to do with this Video-game at all.
Your just making me get my equipment out then to mine. 
Anyway, to be more serious, most miners mine because they need the cash. So dont expect them to trow their equipment down for 1 week. And even if you go ahead with attacking every miner who doesnt listen. Think you will get them all? I doubt it.
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Miz Cenuij
OctoberSnow Corp
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Posted - 2007.05.10 06:32:00 -
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A dedicated miner should eject from thier ship and self destruct thier pod, doing us all a favour in the process.
I like the idea of you guys going on strike though, imagine what it will do to ship prices.
OMG it would give todays crop of whiners somthing to go completly mental over. LOL.
WE WONT MINE! WE WONT MINE! WE WONT MINE! WE WONT MINE!, oh wtf i dont mine.
There goes my rep, the secret is out, i have 20 mining drones in my Nyx LOL.
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LightningSauce
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Posted - 2007.05.10 06:54:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Necrosmith
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I propose that the week of June 1 to June 8 2007, be declared "no mine week". All miners agreeing not to mine for that whole week should have a noticeable impact on the market.
Damn, I'm gonna make a ton of money mining that week!
Yah i think i'm down with this... i pay my monthly fees, i'm here to enjoy the game... i mine when i want, i pvp when i want. The only difference this is gonna make is the people that play this GAME are gonna make that much more isk the week of your so called strike. To the OP, please enjoy your time off :)
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Jade Queen
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Posted - 2007.05.10 07:54:00 -
[48]
Originally by: ho chiminh
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The one thing in the world which gets on my nerves! Americans complaining about PETROL prices!
Totally off topic but what the hell.
The one thing in the world which gets on my nerves? Eurotwits who when looking on the map fail to notice the second largest country on the earth where so much of the oil and gas comes from.
Why do you pay double? Because we want you to.
If it were up to me you would pay 5 times because you don't have any.
Alberta FTW.
Actually, you're completely and utterly wrong. 'Base' fuelprices in the US and the EU will be practically identical. Only EU governments put a big tax on gas to get some tax revenue and to discourage overuse.
And the US is in NO WAY self-sufficient in terms of gasoline. The US import millions of barrels a day from countries like Venezuela and Saudi-Arabia. Big part of the reason you are not self-sufficient is because of the low price of gasoline in the US, leading to overconsumption (do you really need all those big cars?)?
As for the on-topic part. You're basically trying to creat an impromptu cartel of miners, which is doomed to fail. First of all, stocks of minerals are most likely big enough to last a while. And secondly, uniting thousands of miners won't work, and the ones that ignore your boycott will reap big profits.
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Malcanis
High4Life
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Posted - 2007.05.10 09:47:00 -
[49]
Originally by: ho chiminh
Quote:
Honestly what did you expect? You talk about forcing a protest on anyone who doesnt go with you, a protest that would only last one week in which in actuality the people that would hurt the most are the actual miners who didnt mine. If you want to protest do it yourself peacefully, dont drag us with you.
Actually I expected more support from the mining/industrial community for proposing an action to get Eve's attention. In the longrun I believe that miners will benefit from increased Dev attention. Any pain experienced by individuals or corps is designed to be temporary, and more than alleviated by future gains.
Basically "No Pain - No Gain"
As for "dragging us" - If you don't want to be dragged then choose a single player game. Every one of the several hundred thousand subscribers is currently dragging you along.
You expected miner support for a plan that forces miners to stop earning on pain of being podded? Ahahahaha! Good one!
Wait... you were serious? Now I'm laughing even harder!
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Lord WarATron
Amarr
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.10 10:01:00 -
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Edited by: Lord WarATron on 10/05/2007 10:02:11
Firstly - No Gas days dont work.
People just fill up the tank the day before or the day after - Resulting in no difference other than news stories on slow news days.
Secondly, I was playing starcraft. My SCV's were mining away and collecting vespine gas. My Barracks were building Marines that I would send out to he front line.
My Opponent was doing the same. = PvP
The SCV is important, the marines is important. Sometimes you get people who just build with SCV's and mine and thats it - thats their game there. Nothing wrong with that, but if I had a 8 player game of Starcraft where everybody *Imposed* that attitude, there would be little point in playing.
Anyhow my point is that you play the game your way - The value of your services is dictated by the number of "Marines" others build, and well as the numbers of other SCV's that are also generating resources. You have no power to pressure others in this game what they can or cannot do.
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Qui Shon
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Posted - 2007.05.10 10:18:00 -
[51]
Originally by: ho chiminh
Quote:
The one thing in the world which gets on my nerves! Americans complaining about PETROL prices!
Totally off topic but what the hell.
The one thing in the world which gets on my nerves? Eurotwits who when looking on the map fail to notice the second largest country on the earth where so much of the oil and gas comes from.
Why do you pay double? Because we want you to.
If it were up to me you would pay 5 times because you don't have any.
Alberta FTW.
As others have said, the basic idea of unioinizing, bringing some politics and perhaps even some elements of class/profession struggle into EVE sounds like it could be made fun. Even if I rarely mine and (mostly) only build what I use myself, I could take part and do my best to aid in campaigns/protests like this.
However, if you won't stay on topic in your own thread, and if you also do your best to alienate Europeans with the sadly too typical, stereotypical even, North American bull**** attitude and fake facts, like you do in the quoted posting... well, forget about it.
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SiJira
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Posted - 2007.05.10 11:15:00 -
[52]
Originally by: ho chiminh
Quote:
oh so you are calling us dumb because you cant understand that if an alternative to fuel is not found then people will buy it the next day anyways?
I'm not calling anyone dumb. I apologize for my language. My generation is a pet peeve and an emotional subject for me.
And fuel is not the topic of this thread.
alright - maybe unlike the analogy with the fuel - ccp might care about you if you make this "protest" work
you will need more support than you can get by just posting on forums
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fire 59
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.10 11:27:00 -
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Offtopic i guess but how much is gas/pertrol in america. I only wonder because over in uk it's nearly ú1 per litre ($2 dollars ) . Would be interesting to see how much our brethren across the pond pay.
And on topic, miner's should mine. If rocks become less profitable and all that jazz, how about you build battleship's or component's or whatever, they sure a sugar are always in demand.
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Atreides Horza
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.05.10 11:58:00 -
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I wish we could have a whine free day instead.
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Adi LeFevre
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Posted - 2007.05.10 12:44:00 -
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Edited by: Adi LeFevre on 10/05/2007 12:43:05
What a great idea, I do hope people latch on to it. Imagine how profitable mining will be during that week :p
I'd like to propose "no mine year", btw. That, along with the Industrial Adjustment Act should forever fix the problem of too low mineral prices.
Edit: FWIW, when you have 20-80% of gas prices consisting entirely of taxes, you're really barking at the wrong tree if you're blaming business for it.
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WGAnubis Marrith
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Posted - 2007.05.10 13:25:00 -
[56]
Originally by: fire 59
Offtopic i guess but how much is gas/pertrol in america. I only wonder because over in uk it's nearly ú1 per litre ($2 dollars ) . Would be interesting to see how much our brethren across the pond pay.
Here in the Chicago area we are paying $3.35-$4.00 a gallon. I think whats truely disgusting is the fact that the world doesnt need to depend on gas as much as we are lead to believe. Austriala (sp) has the ability to convert I believe sludge or tar into desial gas, we here in America can turn corn into ethinol and have cars that can run completely on ethinol, hell just last tuesday my history professor said that a country found a way to convert coconut oil into a burnable fuel for cars, the side affect? THE CITY IS STARTING TO SMELL LIKE A COCONUT! Humanity really needs to break the spine's of the gas industry and start using the oil for more useful things such as plastics and other things that need oil that actually last longer then a week in a gas tank, but I digress and am taking this thread off topic.
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Sc0rpion
Minmatar
MetaForge
Ekliptika
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Posted - 2007.05.10 14:57:00 -
[57]
Originally by: WGAnubis Marrith
we here in America can turn corn into ethinol and have cars that can run completely on ethinol
OMFG, not this ethanol nonsense again. Do you have any idea where that corn is coming from? Go ask the Mexicans how they like the new tortilla prices. Ask the meat producers how their profit margins are. The only reason ethanol is even a profitable business is because the government shovels billions of dollars in subsidies into Archer Daniels Midland's ethanol program.
So the government is using YOUR money to convince a FOOD company to stop making food and BURN IT.
Yeah, great plan.
Originally by: WGAnubis Marrith
hell just last tuesday my history professor said that a country found a way to convert coconut oil into a burnable fuel for cars, the side affect? THE CITY IS STARTING TO SMELL LIKE A COCONUT!
Go ask your history professor how much carbon got dumped into the atmosphere when Indonesia torched it's natural forests to plant those coconut trees. I wish I could find those satellite images. The infrared image of the cloud of smoke stretching 7,000 miles to Africa were...shocking.
Originally by: WGAnubis Marrith
Humanity really needs to break the spine's of the gas industry and start using the oil for more useful things such as plastics and other things that need oil that actually last longer then a week in a gas tank.
Energy = civilization. There are no alternatives.
The true secret to enjoying life is to live it dangerously.
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Adi LeFevre
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Posted - 2007.05.10 15:09:00 -
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Originally by: Sc0rpion
Energy = civilization. There are no alternatives.
Quoted for the truth!
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Captain Neutron
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.05.10 15:27:00 -
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These kinds of protests never work. "No Gas Day" will not make the oil companies panic.
Same as "TV Turn Off Week" fails to make the networks shake in their boots.
Same as "The Great American Smoke-Out" does not make the tobbacco companies freak.
Same as a few thousand illegal immigrants marching through the street does not make the government cave in and give them all green cards.
Same as college students and liberal celebrities protesting the Iraq war does not make the troops come rushing home.
And a "No Mining Week" will have absolutely zero effect. On anything.
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Iyanah
Minmatar
Mining Munitions and Mayhem
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Posted - 2007.05.10 15:38:00 -
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"In North America May 15, 2007 has been declared "no gas day" to protest the ridiculous price of gasoline"
LMFAO!!
you understand of course, the irony in that statement?
American cars are fuel guzzling inefficient monsters, but this is compensated by the fact that you actually pay peanuts for your petrol.
come to the UK in one of your cars, and feel the sting of refueling here :P
alternatively, buy a european car, in the UK, they're pretty expensive to run due to high fuel prices, but over there you'd be laughing all the way to the bank my friend. buy german, you know what they're like for efficiency, lol
also "no mine week" you understand that the entire economy of the game relies upon the gue of raw materials, it's not "fuel", it's everything. the consequences of everyone in eve not mining for a whole week would cause mineral prices to rise sharply as all the cheap minerals were used up in production, and this would have a knock on effect.
also, screwing about with the in-game economy isn't going to affect teh development staff... other than perhaps watching all those participating in your strike and wondering what they've been smoking if they think that it can affect anything.
you realise, by NOT mining, you're still paying them for the week's game time, but just not doing anything with it. either way they get paid, you just don't get anything in return.
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