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ho chiminh Gallente SlackaNova	Posted - 2007.05.09 19:44:00 - [1] I thought that this would probably merit it's own thread. It is actually a continuation of an existing thread. As per the OP's original question-"What is a dedicated miner to do"? In North America May 15, 2007 has been declared "no gas day" to protest the ridiculous price of gasoline. Everyone is discouraged to purchase gasoline on that day which is estimated to cost the oil and gas industry about 3 Billion US dollars. I encourage you Euro brothers and sisters to join in as well and teach those *******s a world wide lesson. A similar protest may be effective in Eve. I propose that the week of June 1 to June 8 2007, be declared "no mine week". All miners agreeing not to mine for that whole week should have a noticeable impact on the market. I also propose that a corporation be formed on May 31 2007, to be called "The Mining Corp". I would ask that all miners quit their current corps and join this new corp for 1 wk only. You can always rejoin your original corp after the week is up. Any miners not in this corp on June 1 should be immediately war-decced and destroyed. This should be done in order to force the devs to deal with the issues that miners and industrialists have been pressing for some time. As PAYING players we expect our concerns to be dealt with seriously and expeditiously. At a minimum we expect devs to be involved and active in the industrial forums. I don't have the skills or desire to CEO this corp so I hereby nominate the Hulk pilot with the oldest character to accept this responsibilty and lead the industrialist revolution. As for an activity during our strike week I suggest we roam in frigate blobs and finally deal with Macroer's the way they deserve to be dealt with. That is what I believe a dedicated miner should do. I want to thank everyone who posted their thoughts and ideas in this forum. If CCP decides to ban me....well it's been a slice.
Gladia Horusthu Gallente Anything Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.09 19:49:00 - [2] Lots of issues haven't been dealt with. What makes you think your case is so special?
Captain Neutron Gallente	Posted - 2007.05.09 20:01:00 - [3] Originally by: ho chiminh Everyone is discouraged to purchase gasoline on that day No. Originally by: ho chiminh All miners agreeing not to mine for that whole week And no. ............................................... WTB - Avatar
Janu Hull Caldari Order of Z Industries	Posted - 2007.05.09 20:03:00 - [4] I refuse to participate in "No Gas" days. The last time I tried to go a whole day without gas, I farted so bad I blew a hole in my shorts. This is my sig, there are many others just like it. With me, my sig is worthless. Without (or with even) my sig, I am worthless...
Lance Hawke Autopsy Inc	Posted - 2007.05.09 20:03:00 - [5] mine.
Jenny Spitfire Caldari Requiem of Hades	Posted - 2007.05.09 20:03:00 - [6] "no mine week" would make no difference because CCP only cares about fighters and not us crafters. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Kali is for KArebearLIng. I 100% agree with Avon. Female EVE gamers? Mail Zajo or visit WGOE.Public in-game.
ho chiminh Gallente SlackaNova	Posted - 2007.05.09 20:05:00 - [7] My case isn't special. Miners and industrialists have legitimate complaints that have never been dealt with by CCP. The best example is jet canning. It's an exploit. CCP acknowledged it a long time ago, but has never instituted a fix, despite several years worth of suggestions from active miners. There are many threads full of suggestions and wish lists. CCP ignores them all and in fact does not even respond to requests to join the forum discussion. I don't expect CCP to do "what miners want", but I do expect them to devote resources to fixing exploits and dead end professions. I'm not posting this as another whiny thread, I am suggesting action. A miner boycott similar to the RL gasoline boycott to make CCP do something-even if it's not what we miners want to be done.
Gladia Horusthu Gallente Anything Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.09 20:20:00 - [8] You are certainly entitled to your attempt to organize protests by other players. It's not as though you are trying to overburden the servers, and CCP has always backed the use of oog strategies to victory in Eve. Good luck organizing anything substantial though.
ho chiminh Gallente SlackaNova	Posted - 2007.05.09 20:24:00 - [9] Quote: You are certainly entitled to your attempt to organize protests by other players. It's not as though you are trying to overburden the servers, and CCP has always backed the use of oog strategies to victory in Eve. Thanks for your encouragement.
Pheusia Gallente	Posted - 2007.05.09 20:28:00 - [10] In answer to your rhetorical question, you could do what I'm doing: Reskill Hope you won't wardec me because I have Exhumers skill trained... Signed, Pheusia
ho chiminh Gallente SlackaNova	Posted - 2007.05.09 20:33:00 - [11] Quote: In answer to your rhetorical question, you could do what I'm doing: Reskill Actually, if you were "caught" mining without being a member of the corp, your corp would be war-decced and blobbed by miners in T1 frigates and cruisers. Think of it as "enforced solidarity". Personally I think Stalin would be proud. Fortunately it would only be for 1 week.
Derovius Vaden	Posted - 2007.05.09 20:38:00 - [12] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire "no mine week" would make no difference because CCP only cares about fighters and not us crafters. I prefer to be called a builder, it sounds less fruity than "crafter".
Mighty Dread Minmatar	Posted - 2007.05.09 20:51:00 - [13] I'd love to see the ability to unionize miners, haulers, crafters, all industry. I mean, EVE is a PVP game right? so Industrialist should be able to fight back with the skills they have.
ho chiminh Gallente SlackaNova	Posted - 2007.05.09 20:59:00 - [14] Quote: I'd love to see the ability to unionize miners, haulers, crafters, all industry. I mean, EVE is a PVP game right? so Industrialist should be able to fight back with the skills they have. Actually the ability has been there all along AFAIK. The implementation has been lacking. That however is not my intent. My intent is to create a short term protest corp in an attempt to cause some short term market havoc, to grab Devs attention and get some clear responses and direction from CCP as to the many requests from miners/industrialists that have gone unanswered. Again I am not necessarily looking for the Devs to "fall down and fix mining". I'm really just looking for 2-way communucation between GM's and players, and an active interest in fixing existing problems before adding new features.
Janu Hull Caldari Order of Z Industries	Posted - 2007.05.09 21:02:00 - [15] Originally by: ho chiminh My case isn't special. Miners and industrialists have legitimate complaints that have never been dealt with by CCP. The best example is jet canning. It's an exploit. CCP acknowledged it a long time ago, but has never instituted a fix, despite several years worth of suggestions from active miners. There are many threads full of suggestions and wish lists. CCP ignores them all and in fact does not even respond to requests to join the forum discussion. I don't expect CCP to do "what miners want", but I do expect them to devote resources to fixing exploits and dead end professions. I'm not posting this as another whiny thread, I am suggesting action. A miner boycott similar to the RL gasoline boycott to make CCP do something-even if it's not what we miners want to be done. What's wrong with jetcanning? It comes with its own risks to balance the reward of far larger hauls. This is my sig, there are many others just like it. With me, my sig is worthless. Without (or with even) my sig, I am worthless...
WGAnubis Marrith	Posted - 2007.05.09 21:05:00 - [16] You go after miners who dont go with your Miners Union, how long do you think until your war declared by several dozen corp's? Whats more, how many corperations would be willing to take back their miners who left their corp for a week and started bullying other miners who didnt go along with their idea? If you want to change the way the things are done dont go around attacking the players, go after CCP by boycotting them.
ho chiminh Gallente SlackaNova	Posted - 2007.05.09 21:16:00 - [17] Quote: What's wrong with jetcanning? It comes with its own risks to balance the reward of far larger hauls. I actually agree with your second sentence. However, CCP actually considers it to be an exploit. An exploit that has remained unchanged/unfixed since Beta(please correct me if I'm mistaken-Ho is not that old). I of course have used jetcanning more than any other mining techniques. It's the most efficient way to mine. The point of the protest is to encourage CCP to deal with the exploits, and to take seriously and *address* the issues that industrialists/miners bring to their attention. Communicating and participating with industrialists/miners in the forums is the first step. Read-only Dev Blogs are not the way too address the issues.
Vitrael Advanced Security And Asset Protection	Posted - 2007.05.09 21:19:00 - [18] Originally by: ho chiminh Quote: What's wrong with jetcanning? It comes with its own risks to balance the reward of far larger hauls. However, CCP actually considers it to be an exploit. An exploit that has remained unchanged/unfixed since Beta(please correct me if I'm mistaken-Ho is not that old). You are mistaken.
Malcanis High4Life	Posted - 2007.05.09 21:20:00 - [19] "your corp would be war-decced and blobbed by miners in T1 frigates and cruisers." Really..? EVE miners need "Molly Maguires", eh? Presumably this corp would cover it's... administration costs with a "small levy"?
ho chiminh Gallente SlackaNova	Posted - 2007.05.09 21:26:00 - [20] Quote: You go after miners who dont go with your Miners Union, how long do you think until your war declared by several dozen corp's? So what? The corp will only exist for 7 or 8 days. Feel free to waste your isk on war decs. All the hulks and T2 stripminers will be docked. Only targets would most likely be T1 Frigs and Cruisers. Quote: Whats more, how many corperations would be willing to take back their miners who left their corp for a week and started bullying other miners who didnt go along with their idea? Every corp that doesn't want to pay full market price for their refined mins and ice. Quote: If you want to change the way the things are done dont go around attacking the players, go after CCP by boycotting them. In a PVP game, why on earth would I not attack players? The rats sure as hell can't fight back.
WGAnubis Marrith	Posted - 2007.05.09 21:46:00 - [21] Originally by: ho chiminh Quote: You go after miners who dont go with your Miners Union, how long do you think until your war declared by several dozen corp's? So what? The corp will only exist for 7 or 8 days. Feel free to waste your isk on war decs. All the hulks and T2 stripminers will be docked. Only targets would most likely be T1 Frigs and Cruisers. Quote: Whats more, how many corperations would be willing to take back their miners who left their corp for a week and started bullying other miners who didnt go along with their idea? Every corp that doesn't want to pay full market price for their refined mins and ice. Quote: If you want to change the way the things are done dont go around attacking the players, go after CCP by boycotting them. In a PVP game, why on earth would I not attack players? The rats sure as hell can't fight back. It wouldnt matter if eve is a pvp game or not. Your going after the players who dont have access to the games coding or policy of how things work at CCP. All CCP would say or do in light of it happening would be that it's completely legal in the game itself and that would be it, nothing else. You want to send a message to CCP to change their ways, hit them in the wallet long enough for them to wince.
Major Stormer Caldari Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.05.09 21:49:00 - [22] Quote: "What is a dedicated miner to do"? Just off the top of my head..but.. mine?
Gothikia	Posted - 2007.05.09 21:54:00 - [23] EVE isn't a "PVP Game"... Its a virtual universe, and we the citizens. CCP try to balance EVE to be the best of ALL worlds. They always have and I suspect they always will. It is just what you make of it... Interesting discussion tho... unions would be nice, and would certainly add another aspect of realism. Of course not all corporations, alliances or business partners would see the "fair" side, and just kill you, but such is life in a heartless cold capitalistic society... I'm talking about EVE here folks ... --- sig nerfed again... ú$~"$%#
snaike Advocates	Posted - 2007.05.09 22:34:00 - [24] Originally by: Janu Hull I refuse to participate in "No Gas" days. The last time I tried to go a whole day without gas, I farted so bad I blew a hole in my shorts. I lol'd Cryin' Won't Help You, Prayin' Will Do You No Good
Necrosmith Gallente Eth3real 3asy Company	Posted - 2007.05.09 22:39:00 - [25] Quote: I propose that the week of June 1 to June 8 2007, be declared "no mine week". All miners agreeing not to mine for that whole week should have a noticeable impact on the market. Damn, I'm gonna make a ton of money mining that week! Best Regards, --Necro ------------- "Isk is cheap. Life is cheaper. This week, they're having a sale on both."
ho chiminh Gallente SlackaNova	Posted - 2007.05.09 22:48:00 - [26] In the hopes of forestalling the thread being derailed. It is my intent to organize a short term protest corp to bring attention to miner/industrialist issues within Eve. As a paying player I would like my choice of profession to be acknowledged as equal to the other professions in terms of known issues, exploits and complaints being treated equally in being addressed and in some cases even acknowledged by Devs. Some 2-way communication vis a vis these forums is a good place to start. For a comprehensive listing of these issues feel free to browse the several hundred other posts in these forums benevolently labeled as "carebear whines". I will not repost them here. I am willing to work with pretty much anybody to show Eve that miner/industrialists can wield a very big stick. I will be in game later tonight. Feel free to convo or Eve-mail. I am at GMT-8. And don't forget to NOT buy gasoline on May 15, 2007.
SiJira	Posted - 2007.05.09 22:48:00 - [27] Originally by: ho chiminh I thought that this would probably merit it's own thread. It is actually a continuation of an existing thread. As per the OP's original question-"What is a dedicated miner to do"? In North America May 15, 2007 has been declared "no gas day" to protest the ridiculous price of gasoline. Everyone is discouraged to purchase gasoline on that day which is estimated to cost the oil and gas industry about 3 Billion US dollars. I encourage you Euro brothers and sisters to join in as well and teach those *******s a world wide lesson. A similar protest may be effective in Eve. I propose that the week of June 1 to June 8 2007, be declared "no mine week". All miners agreeing not to mine for that whole week should have a noticeable impact on the market. I also propose that a corporation be formed on May 31 2007, to be called "The Mining Corp". I would ask that all miners quit their current corps and join this new corp for 1 wk only. You can always rejoin your original corp after the week is up. Any miners not in this corp on June 1 should be immediately war-decced and destroyed. This should be done in order to force the devs to deal with the issues that miners and industrialists have been pressing for some time. As PAYING players we expect our concerns to be dealt with seriously and expeditiously. At a minimum we expect devs to be involved and active in the industrial forums. I don't have the skills or desire to CEO this corp so I hereby nominate the Hulk pilot with the oldest character to accept this responsibilty and lead the industrialist revolution. As for an activity during our strike week I suggest we roam in frigate blobs and finally deal with Macroer's the way they deserve to be dealt with. That is what I believe a dedicated miner should do. I want to thank everyone who posted their thoughts and ideas in this forum. If CCP decides to ban me....well it's been a slice. as i wrote in the other thread any gas not bought at such a strike is only sold the next day or a few days after the big money holders DONT GIVE A --- so good luck with your plan that fails to understand economics 101 ____ __ ________ _sig below_ the jet cans are made so that people that dont mine can get free ore miners ritually donate the ore to anyone wishing to take some
Sc0rpion Minmatar MetaForge Ekliptika	Posted - 2007.05.09 23:14:00 - [28] Originally by: ho chiminh In North America May 15, 2007 has been declared "no gas day" to protest the ridiculous price of gasoline. Everyone is discouraged to purchase gasoline on that day which is estimated to cost the oil and gas industry about 3 Billion US dollars. I encourage you Euro brothers and sisters to join in as well and teach those ******s a world wide lesson. Yeah, those always work out so well. "Oh nos! 0.00004% of our customer base put off filling up thier tanks until Wednesday! We're roo-ined!!11" They have us by the short and curlies. You know it, I know it, and they certainly* know it. The true secret to enjoying life is to live it dangerously. -Friedrich Nietzsche Killmails are for pooftas.
Lord Saradomin Gallente New Justice Technologies	Posted - 2007.05.09 23:29:00 - [29] Originally by: ho chiminh In North America May 15, 2007 has been declared "no gas day" to protest the ridiculous price of gasoline. Everyone is discouraged to purchase gasoline on that day which is estimated to cost the oil and gas industry about 3 Billion US dollars. I encourage you Euro brothers and sisters to join in as well and teach those *****s a world wide lesson. The one thing in the world which gets on my nerves! Americans complaining about PETROL prices! 1: It's not gas its a liquid! 2: Come over to the UK or anywhere in Europe(that's outside of the United States and a whole seperate continent) the prices are more than double!! Originally by:** ho chiminh A similar protest may be effective in Eve. No it won't ****************************************** In the beginning the Universe was created, This made a lot of people angry, and has been widely regarded as a bad idea.
ho chiminh Gallente SlackaNova	Posted - 2007.05.09 23:55:00 - [30] As for the rest of you lot: I should have known that to try and escape from the real world of negative, ***y, whiney and defeatist slackin' Gen X **tards for some online fun wasn't gonna happen. Ashamed of my generation, Ho
Lord Saradomin Gallente New Justice Technologies	Posted - 2007.05.09 23:55:00 - [31] Originally by: ho chiminh Quote: Totally off topic but what the hell. The one thing in the world which gets on my nerves? Eurotwits who when looking on the map fail to notice the second largest country on the earth where so much of the oil and gas comes from. Why do you pay double? Because we want you to. If it were up to me you would pay 5 times because you don't have any. Alberta FTW. It's a sad fact that we did have some in the North Sea but we sold it all That's how clever we are.... By the way Canada (your neighbour to the north) is the second largest country in the world with 9,970,610km2, you have 9,629,091km2 third with China... love wikipedia... ****************************************** In the beginning the Universe was created, This made a lot of people angry, and has been widely regarded as a bad idea.
ho chiminh Gallente SlackaNova	Posted - 2007.05.09 23:57:00 - [32] That's Canada where Alberta is from.
Lord Saradomin Gallente New Justice Technologies	Posted - 2007.05.10 00:03:00 - [33] That's Canada where Alberta is, yes. Back to your OP what do you think the protests will achieve in EVE? There is only so much CCP can do about macroers as they are really hard to detect... ****************************************** In the beginning the Universe was created, This made a lot of people angry, and has been widely regarded as a bad idea.
ho chiminh Gallente SlackaNova	Posted - 2007.05.10 00:14:00 - [34] Macroer's are fairly easy to detect actually. I steal their ore regularly. It is one of the most efficient mining techniques in the game. What I hope to accomplish is some attention being paid to the industrial aspects of the game. There are many threads with some fairly innovative and creative ways to improve this aspect of gameplay and to fix current issues. The reason behind the protest is to get CCP to implement some of them. I'm not advocating any specific measure, just for CCP to acknowledge that this side of Eve is necessary and some thought be put into it.
Shakuul Caldari The Imperial Commonwealth The Sundering	Posted - 2007.05.10 00:17:00 - [35] This sort of already happened, when chinese farmer miners switched from mining to NPCing (apparently), driving the price of low ends way up. Thanks to that, you guys can now make 2-3x as much mining low ends.
WGAnubis Marrith	Posted - 2007.05.10 01:04:00 - [36] Originally by: ho chiminh As for the rest of you lot: I should have known that to try and escape from the real world of negative, ***y, whiney and defeatist slackin' Gen X **tards for some online fun wasn't gonna happen. Ashamed of my generation, Ho Honestly what did you expect? You talk about forcing a protest on anyone who doesnt go with you, a protest that would only last one week in which in actuality the people that would hurt the most are the actual miners who didnt mine. If you want to protest do it yourself peacefully, dont drag us with you.
SiJira	Posted - 2007.05.10 01:15:00 - [37] Originally by: Sc0rpion Yeah, those always work out so well. "Oh nos! 0.00004% of our customer base put off filling up thier tanks until Wednesday! We're roo-ined!!11" They have us by the short and curlies. You know it, I know it, and they certainly know it. well said ____ __ ________ _sig below_ the jet cans are made so that people that dont mine can get free ore miners ritually donate the ore to anyone wishing to take some
SiJira	Posted - 2007.05.10 01:17:00 - [38] Originally by: ho chiminh As for the rest of you lot: I should have known that to try and escape from the real world of negative, ***y, whiney and defeatist slackin' Gen X **tards for some online fun wasn't gonna happen. Ashamed of my generation, Ho oh so you are calling us dumb because you cant understand that if an alternative to fuel is not found then people will buy it the next day anyways? raged FTW? ____ __ ________ _sig below_ the jet cans are made so that people that dont mine can get free ore miners ritually donate the ore to anyone wishing to take some
Le Skunk Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.10 01:43:00 - [39] Originally by: ho chiminh In North America May 15, 2007 has been declared "no gas day" to protest the ridiculous price of gasoline. Everyone is discouraged to purchase gasoline on that day which is estimated to cost the oil and gas industry about 3 Billion US dollars. I encourage you Euro brothers and sisters to join in as well and teach those *******s a world wide lesson. The price of 'gas' in the UK is something like three times as much as the USA. SKUNK
ho chiminh Gallente SlackaNova	Posted - 2007.05.10 01:49:00 - [40] Quote: Honestly what did you expect? You talk about forcing a protest on anyone who doesnt go with you, a protest that would only last one week in which in actuality the people that would hurt the most are the actual miners who didnt mine. If you want to protest do it yourself peacefully, dont drag us with you. Actually I expected more support from the mining/industrial community for proposing an action to get Eve's attention. In the longrun I believe that miners will benefit from increased Dev attention. Any pain experienced by individuals or corps is designed to be temporary, and more than alleviated by future gains. Basically "No Pain - No Gain" As for "dragging us" - If you don't want to be dragged then choose a single player game. Every one of the several hundred thousand subscribers is currently dragging you along.
ho chiminh Gallente SlackaNova	Posted - 2007.05.10 01:51:00 - [41] Quote: oh so you are calling us dumb because you cant understand that if an alternative to fuel is not found then people will buy it the next day anyways? I'm not calling anyone dumb. I apologize for my language. My generation is a pet peeve and an emotional subject for me. And fuel is not the topic of this thread.
Tareen Kashaar Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.10 02:22:00 - [42] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire "no mine week" would make no difference because CCP only cares about fighters and not us crafters. Dude... for ****'s sake, if I read the word "crafters" one more time, I'm going to throw a hissy fit, and it's not going to be pretty. They're called "INDUSTRIALISTS" in EVE, understand?! This is not Vanguard: Saga of Heroes! To the OP: Your proposal would have no impact at all. While a hypothetical one day loss of gas sales would hurt the oil industry, a shortage of Tritanium doesn't hurt CCP in any way. And even if everyone in your country would not buy gas for a total of one day, I bet my behind that the total gas sales wouldn't be impacted in the slightest. People would still drive their cars, as such still consume gas, they would just buy more the day before and the day after. --- WTS: Forum Signatures, 30mil a piece. Evemail me!
Tareen Kashaar Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.10 02:25:00 - [43] And as for this getting CCP's attention, a proper marketing campaign with a concept would likely help more. What your issues need is publicity, not a small dent in some statistic on a server cluster in London. It probably wouldn't even be noticed. --- WTS: Forum Signatures, 30mil a piece. Evemail me!
WGAnubis Marrith	Posted - 2007.05.10 02:34:00 - [44] Originally by: ho chiminh Quote: Honestly what did you expect? You talk about forcing a protest on anyone who doesnt go with you, a protest that would only last one week in which in actuality the people that would hurt the most are the actual miners who didnt mine. If you want to protest do it yourself peacefully, dont drag us with you. Actually I expected more support from the mining/industrial community for proposing an action to get Eve's attention. In the longrun I believe that miners will benefit from increased Dev attention. Any pain experienced by individuals or corps is designed to be temporary, and more than alleviated by future gains. Basically "No Pain - No Gain" As for "dragging us" - If you don't want to be dragged then choose a single player game. Every one of the several hundred thousand subscribers is currently dragging you along. So by your point of view, you attacking anyone who doesnt go along with your protest isnt designed to be mean but rather to help them. Right, I can perfectly see how you and your group attacking a miners lively hood, IE their barge/exhumer, destroying it, setting them back between potentally 10-300 million ISK plus time lost getting a new ship, modules and really anything else that they need to operate is helping them. Yeah, makes perfect sence. Just so we clearify here though. I dont have a problem with you protesting how CCP treats miners, im a miner myself as well as an industrialist. I mine and build my own gear as well as mine and build the gear for my friends and I have quite the problem when you say if I dont side with you you are going to come after me and attack my means of income in this game.
Asael Caldari Nathlin Enterprises Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.10 06:27:00 - [45] Edited by: Asael on 10/05/2007 06:23:35 Hmm, so i get a war declaration if i mine during a certain period for not participating in a protest which is related to something which has nothing to do with this Video-game at all. Your just making me get my equipment out then to mine. Anyway, to be more serious, most miners mine because they need the cash. So dont expect them to trow their equipment down for 1 week. And even if you go ahead with attacking every miner who doesnt listen. Think you will get them all? I doubt it. ______________________________ Nathlin Enterprises Inc. CEO -Everto es hic servo Mihi
Miz Cenuij OctoberSnow Corp	Posted - 2007.05.10 06:32:00 - [46] A dedicated miner should eject from thier ship and self destruct thier pod, doing us all a favour in the process. I like the idea of you guys going on strike though, imagine what it will do to ship prices. OMG it would give todays crop of whiners somthing to go completly mental over. LOL. WE WONT MINE! WE WONT MINE! WE WONT MINE! WE WONT MINE!, oh wtf i dont mine. There goes my rep, the secret is out, i have 20 mining drones in my Nyx LOL. "Men are going to die.. and im going to kill them".
LightningSauce	Posted - 2007.05.10 06:54:00 - [47] Originally by: Necrosmith Quote: I propose that the week of June 1 to June 8 2007, be declared "no mine week". All miners agreeing not to mine for that whole week should have a noticeable impact on the market. Damn, I'm gonna make a ton of money mining that week! Yah i think i'm down with this... i pay my monthly fees, i'm here to enjoy the game... i mine when i want, i pvp when i want. The only difference this is gonna make is the people that play this GAME are gonna make that much more isk the week of your so called strike. To the OP, please enjoy your time off :)
Jade Queen	Posted - 2007.05.10 07:54:00 - [48] Originally by: ho chiminh Quote: The one thing in the world which gets on my nerves! Americans complaining about PETROL prices! Totally off topic but what the hell. The one thing in the world which gets on my nerves? Eurotwits who when looking on the map fail to notice the second largest country on the earth where so much of the oil and gas comes from. Why do you pay double? Because we want you to. If it were up to me you would pay 5 times because you don't have any. Alberta FTW. Actually, you're completely and utterly wrong. 'Base' fuelprices in the US and the EU will be practically identical. Only EU governments put a big tax on gas to get some tax revenue and to discourage overuse. And the US is in NO WAY self-sufficient in terms of gasoline. The US import millions of barrels a day from countries like Venezuela and Saudi-Arabia. Big part of the reason you are not self-sufficient is because of the low price of gasoline in the US, leading to overconsumption (do you really need all those big cars?)? As for the on-topic part. You're basically trying to creat an impromptu cartel of miners, which is doomed to fail. First of all, stocks of minerals are most likely big enough to last a while. And secondly, uniting thousands of miners won't work, and the ones that ignore your boycott will reap big profits.
Malcanis High4Life	Posted - 2007.05.10 09:47:00 - [49] Originally by: ho chiminh Quote: Honestly what did you expect? You talk about forcing a protest on anyone who doesnt go with you, a protest that would only last one week in which in actuality the people that would hurt the most are the actual miners who didnt mine. If you want to protest do it yourself peacefully, dont drag us with you. Actually I expected more support from the mining/industrial community for proposing an action to get Eve's attention. In the longrun I believe that miners will benefit from increased Dev attention. Any pain experienced by individuals or corps is designed to be temporary, and more than alleviated by future gains. Basically "No Pain - No Gain" As for "dragging us" - If you don't want to be dragged then choose a single player game. Every one of the several hundred thousand subscribers is currently dragging you along. You expected miner support for a plan that forces miners to stop earning on pain of being podded? Ahahahaha! Good one! Wait... you were serious? Now I'm laughing even harder!
Lord WarATron Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.10 10:01:00 - [50] Edited by: Lord WarATron on 10/05/2007 10:02:11 Firstly - No Gas days dont work. People just fill up the tank the day before or the day after - Resulting in no difference other than news stories on slow news days. Secondly, I was playing starcraft. My SCV's were mining away and collecting vespine gas. My Barracks were building Marines that I would send out to he front line. My Opponent was doing the same. = PvP The SCV is important, the marines is important. Sometimes you get people who just build with SCV's and mine and thats it - thats their game there. Nothing wrong with that, but if I had a 8 player game of Starcraft where everybody Imposed that attitude, there would be little point in playing. Anyhow my point is that you play the game your way - The value of your services is dictated by the number of "Marines" others build, and well as the numbers of other SCV's that are also generating resources. You have no power to pressure others in this game what they can or cannot do. -- Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected]) Billion Isk Mission
Qui Shon	Posted - 2007.05.10 10:18:00 - [51] Originally by: ho chiminh Quote: The one thing in the world which gets on my nerves! Americans complaining about PETROL prices! Totally off topic but what the hell. The one thing in the world which gets on my nerves? Eurotwits who when looking on the map fail to notice the second largest country on the earth where so much of the oil and gas comes from. Why do you pay double? Because we want you to. If it were up to me you would pay 5 times because you don't have any. Alberta FTW. As others have said, the basic idea of unioinizing, bringing some politics and perhaps even some elements of class/profession struggle into EVE sounds like it could be made fun. Even if I rarely mine and (mostly) only build what I use myself, I could take part and do my best to aid in campaigns/protests like this. However, if you won't stay on topic in your own thread, and if you also do your best to alienate Europeans with the sadly too typical, stereotypical even, North American bull**** attitude and fake facts, like you do in the quoted posting... well, forget about it.
SiJira	Posted - 2007.05.10 11:15:00 - [52] Originally by: ho chiminh Quote: oh so you are calling us dumb because you cant understand that if an alternative to fuel is not found then people will buy it the next day anyways? I'm not calling anyone dumb. I apologize for my language. My generation is a pet peeve and an emotional subject for me. And fuel is not the topic of this thread. alright - maybe unlike the analogy with the fuel - ccp might care about you if you make this "protest" work you will need more support than you can get by just posting on forums ____ __ ________ _sig below_ the jet cans are made so that people that dont mine can get free ore miners ritually donate the ore to anyone wishing to take some
fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.10 11:27:00 - [53] Offtopic i guess but how much is gas/pertrol in america. I only wonder because over in uk it's nearly ú1 per litre ($2 dollars ) . Would be interesting to see how much our brethren across the pond pay. And on topic, miner's should mine. If rocks become less profitable and all that jazz, how about you build battleship's or component's or whatever, they sure a sugar are always in demand. BoB vs the coalition of family value's
Atreides Horza Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.05.10 11:58:00 - [54] I wish we could have a whine free day instead.
Adi LeFevre	Posted - 2007.05.10 12:44:00 - [55] Edited by: Adi LeFevre on 10/05/2007 12:43:05 What a great idea, I do hope people latch on to it. Imagine how profitable mining will be during that week :p I'd like to propose "no mine year", btw. That, along with the Industrial Adjustment Act should forever fix the problem of too low mineral prices. Edit: FWIW, when you have 20-80% of gas prices consisting entirely of taxes, you're really barking at the wrong tree if you're blaming business for it.
WGAnubis Marrith	Posted - 2007.05.10 13:25:00 - [56] Originally by: fire 59 Offtopic i guess but how much is gas/pertrol in america. I only wonder because over in uk it's nearly ú1 per litre ($2 dollars ) . Would be interesting to see how much our brethren across the pond pay. Here in the Chicago area we are paying $3.35-$4.00 a gallon. I think whats truely disgusting is the fact that the world doesnt need to depend on gas as much as we are lead to believe. Austriala (sp) has the ability to convert I believe sludge or tar into desial gas, we here in America can turn corn into ethinol and have cars that can run completely on ethinol, hell just last tuesday my history professor said that a country found a way to convert coconut oil into a burnable fuel for cars, the side affect? THE CITY IS STARTING TO SMELL LIKE A COCONUT! Humanity really needs to break the spine's of the gas industry and start using the oil for more useful things such as plastics and other things that need oil that actually last longer then a week in a gas tank, but I digress and am taking this thread off topic.
Sc0rpion Minmatar MetaForge Ekliptika	Posted - 2007.05.10 14:57:00 - [57] Originally by: WGAnubis Marrith we here in America can turn corn into ethinol and have cars that can run completely on ethinol OMFG, not this ethanol nonsense again. Do you have any idea where that corn is coming from? Go ask the Mexicans how they like the new tortilla prices. Ask the meat producers how their profit margins are. The only reason ethanol is even a profitable business is because the government shovels billions of dollars in subsidies into Archer Daniels Midland's ethanol program. So the government is using YOUR money to convince a FOOD company to stop making food and BURN IT. Yeah, great plan. Originally by: WGAnubis Marrith hell just last tuesday my history professor said that a country found a way to convert coconut oil into a burnable fuel for cars, the side affect? THE CITY IS STARTING TO SMELL LIKE A COCONUT! Go ask your history professor how much carbon got dumped into the atmosphere when Indonesia torched it's natural forests to plant those coconut trees. I wish I could find those satellite images. The infrared image of the cloud of smoke stretching 7,000 miles to Africa were...shocking. Originally by: WGAnubis Marrith Humanity really needs to break the spine's of the gas industry and start using the oil for more useful things such as plastics and other things that need oil that actually last longer then a week in a gas tank. Energy = civilization. There are no alternatives. The true secret to enjoying life is to live it dangerously. -Friedrich Nietzsche Killmails are for pooftas.
Adi LeFevre	Posted - 2007.05.10 15:09:00 - [58] Originally by: Sc0rpion Energy = civilization. There are no alternatives. Quoted for the truth!
Captain Neutron Gallente	Posted - 2007.05.10 15:27:00 - [59] These kinds of protests never work. "No Gas Day" will not make the oil companies panic. Same as "TV Turn Off Week" fails to make the networks shake in their boots. Same as "The Great American Smoke-Out" does not make the tobbacco companies freak. Same as a few thousand illegal immigrants marching through the street does not make the government cave in and give them all green cards. Same as college students and liberal celebrities protesting the Iraq war does not make the troops come rushing home. And a "No Mining Week" will have absolutely zero effect. On anything. ............................................... WTB - Avatar
Iyanah Minmatar Mining Munitions and Mayhem	Posted - 2007.05.10 15:38:00 - [60] "In North America May 15, 2007 has been declared "no gas day" to protest the ridiculous price of gasoline" LMFAO!! you understand of course, the irony in that statement? American cars are fuel guzzling inefficient monsters, but this is compensated by the fact that you actually pay peanuts for your petrol. come to the UK in one of your cars, and feel the sting of refueling here :P alternatively, buy a european car, in the UK, they're pretty expensive to run due to high fuel prices, but over there you'd be laughing all the way to the bank my friend. buy german, you know what they're like for efficiency, lol also "no mine week" you understand that the entire economy of the game relies upon the gue of raw materials, it's not "fuel", it's everything. the consequences of everyone in eve not mining for a whole week would cause mineral prices to rise sharply as all the cheap minerals were used up in production, and this would have a knock on effect. also, screwing about with the in-game economy isn't going to affect teh development staff... other than perhaps watching all those participating in your strike and wondering what they've been smoking if they think that it can affect anything. you realise, by NOT mining, you're still paying them for the week's game time, but just not doing anything with it. either way they get paid, you just don't get anything in return. ========================================== Iy
Nox Solaris	Posted - 2007.05.10 15:47:00 - [61] LOL Pointless. Both the 'lets not buy gas' and 'lets not mine'... You know why? Even the most rudimentary understanding of ecenomics would say that, in the end, the gasoline producers still win. Because you might not buy gas that day, but when your car is on vapors the next day they've upped the price $0.10/gallon and you must buy gas. Don't mine? No problems... the macro miners you and everyone else hates will still be out there... pulling in the ore you're not going to mine and thanking you. After all, petitioning them accomplishes nothing (which is why Eve is now macro-heaven). Pick a day, get a frig & hauler, and run around flipping/popping ore or just steal it from the gibberish clan.
Wyehr Shadow Of The Light R i s e	Posted - 2007.05.10 15:55:00 - [62] Why not do even a tiny bit of math before repeating this crap? Total retail gasoline sales in the US peaks around 9.5 million barrels per day every year in June, or somewhat less than 300 million gallons. Average daily demand for the week ending May 4th 2007 was 9.344 million barrels or about 290 million gallons. If gas demand was for 300 million gallons (it isn't), and the average gas price was $4.00 per gallon (not even close), the total retail trade would be $1.2 billion. So, at best, if no one bought gasoline, it would "cost" the oil and gas industry a third of the claimed $3 billion. Not to mention that the price that you pay at the pump isn't pure profit to the industry, etc, etc. [ 2007.03.18 18:45:59 ] (notify) Typhoon belonging to Gandolf self-destructs.
SiJira	Posted - 2007.05.10 17:29:00 - [63] Originally by: Wyehr Why not do even a tiny bit of math before repeating this crap? Total retail gasoline sales in the US peaks around 9.5 million barrels per day every year in June, or somewhat less than 300 million gallons. Average daily demand for the week ending May 4th 2007 was 9.344 million barrels or about 290 million gallons. If gas demand was for 300 million gallons (it isn't), and the average gas price was $4.00 per gallon (not even close), the total retail trade would be $1.2 billion. So, at best, if no one bought gasoline, it would "cost" the oil and gas industry a third of the claimed $3 billion. Not to mention that the price that you pay at the pump isn't pure profit to the industry, etc, etc. and unless people find a better means to travel 1 day or 1 week wont make a difference ____ __ ________ _sig below_ the jet cans are made so that people that dont mine can get free ore miners ritually donate the ore to anyone wishing to take some
000Hunter000 Gallente Magners Marauders	Posted - 2007.05.10 17:37:00 - [64] LOL @ thread!!! U poor Americans... Oh.. wait... I'm European myself and look whats this i read???
Adi LeFevre	Posted - 2007.05.10 18:03:00 - [65] Edited by: Adi LeFevre on 10/05/2007 17:59:36 Originally by: Arokan Manturi Edited by: Arokan Manturi on 10/05/2007 15:22:53We have had a no gas day in denmark for a long time now. Also i think its about time ur gas prices goes up Ours have costed close to 1+$ for a long time now. $1.5 per liter is $5.3/gallon. Edit: Sing along with me -- 'cause I'm the TAX MAN !
Sc0rpion Minmatar MetaForge Ekliptika	Posted - 2007.05.10 18:39:00 - [66] Originally by: Wyehr Total retail gasoline sales in the US peaks around 9.5 million barrels per day every year in June, or somewhat less than 300 million gallons. Average daily demand for the week ending May 4th 2007 was 9.344 million barrels or about 290 million gallons. Granted my math may be a little rusty here, but if a barrel of gasoline contains 42 US gallons(which is the standard measurement for petroleum products), 42 * 9,344,000 = 392,448,000 gallons / day. Even if you intended to use the 35 imperial gallon conversion, it still works out to 35 * 9,344,000 = 327,040,000 gal/day. Your numbers are way off. The true secret to enjoying life is to live it dangerously. -Friedrich Nietzsche Killmails are for pooftas.
ho chiminh Gallente SlackaNova	Posted - 2007.05.10 18:48:00 - [67] Devs, this is stupid, please lock this off topic thread, Ho

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