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Sinder Ohm
Infinite Improbability Inc Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.05.10 13:37:00 -
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I must agree with Jim! I mean even a 10% tax on NPC corps after the character has reached 3 months, for those of you who want a reason, look at it as protection money for being imune to war decs.
While I agree that EVE is an openended sand box I also think people who sit in an NPC corp for 6 months or more making isk almost risk free does take the ****
Originally by: Rawne Karrde PVP in EvE is consentual, you agree to it when you login. If you don't like it you're in the wrong game.
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Bistot Kid
The First Thing You'll Ever See
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Posted - 2007.05.10 13:50:00 -
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Yawn, OP. Change the record. You just can't grief anybody you like at will, and it's upsetting you?
To the poster above ... staying in an NPC corp is a licence to print ISK? No access to 0.0. In fact always shot on sight, even worse than NBSI.
I still don't understand why this NPC corps is such a beef for people, apart from the "can't grief everyone when I like" aspect of it.
I don't play enough to be considered a useful part of a corp. I'd probably get kicked after a week in a decently run corp.
You do your thing, I'll do mine, and I'll try not to bump into you while I'm undocking or at a gate, and that's all the interaction I want with your kind.
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Joshua Deakin
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.05.10 14:04:00 -
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OP
Eve doesn't have a cap relating to its max userbase. The people who would leave after being forced to play Eve the way someone else wants it to be, would not have an effect on the influx of new players.
You want easy prey and after those people have quit, the ones who are left are not the ones you want to have a fight against.
There are some negatives with NPC corps that alts bring into EVE. But it's not the NPC corps that are at fault. Most NPC corp players have very little effect on your life in EVE.
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Sinder Ohm
Infinite Improbability Inc Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.05.10 14:09:00 -
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Originally by: Bistot Kid
To the poster above ... staying in an NPC corp is a licence to print ISK? No access to 0.0. In fact always shot on sight, even worse than NBSI.
Yes noob corps are KOS in almost all of 0.0 cos they are used as spies.
Originally by: Bistot Kid
I still don't understand why this NPC corps is such a beef for people, apart from the "can't grief everyone when I like" aspect of it.
Well the main thing I think is the imunity to wardecs.
Originally by: Bistot Kid
I don't play enough to be considered a useful part of a corp. I'd probably get kicked after a week in a decently run corp.
In many (decent) corps RL does come first this i can say from experience.
Originally by: Bistot Kid
You do your thing, I'll do mine, and I'll try not to bump into you while I'm undocking or at a gate, and that's all the interaction I want with your kind.
My kind Im actualy a nice guy its just noob corps are kos in 0.0
Originally by: Rawne Karrde PVP in EvE is consentual, you agree to it when you login. If you don't like it you're in the wrong game.
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Blue Pixie
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Posted - 2007.05.10 14:17:00 -
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Originally by: Cpt Fina Players in playercorps have to think about their actions because they can be wardecced. A player in a NPC-corp can do what pleases him without the risk of any retaliation. Being in a NPC-corp is like playing Eve in safemode.
Because the option to cherry pick who you wardec, in the relative safety of Empire, without any security penalties or reprisals from Concord isn't safemode?
Nevermind that you can do anything you please to a member of an NPC corp outside of Empire, without risk of retaliation.
Originally by: Sinder Ohm I must agree with Jim! I mean even a 10% tax on NPC corps after the character has reached 3 months, for those of you who want a reason, look at it as protection money for being imune to war decs.
And by that same token, maybe you should be charged an additional 10% tax every time you enter Empire, as protection money for keeping NPC corps from wardec'ing YOU.
Originally by: Sinder Ohm Well the main thing I think is the imunity to wardecs.
Hello? McFly? It's also the main thing people forgo all the BENEFITS of being in a player corp for.
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Bistot Kid
The First Thing You'll Ever See
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Posted - 2007.05.10 14:22:00 -
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Originally by: Sinder Ohm My kind Im actualy a nice guy its just noob corps are kos in 0.0
Sorry mate, most of my post was directed at the OP. "Your kind" wasn't aimed at you.
I understand the "noob corps spy" thing and have no problem with it, though if I were going to create a spy I'd knock up a 1 man (or 3 man using all my account alts) corp to do so.
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Bistot Kid
The First Thing You'll Ever See
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Posted - 2007.05.10 14:24:00 -
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Originally by: Blue Pixie Hello? McFly?
Blue Pixie, I put on my clairvoyant hat and through the Eve forum tea leaves deduce you are 35 years or more in age.
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Kagura Nikon
Minmatar Guardians of the Dawn Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.05.10 14:24:00 -
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Originally by: Bistot Kid Yawn, OP. Change the record. You just can't grief anybody you like at will, and it's upsetting you?
To the poster above ... staying in an NPC corp is a licence to print ISK? No access to 0.0. In fact always shot on sight, even worse than NBSI.
I still don't understand why this NPC corps is such a beef for people, apart from the "can't grief everyone when I like" aspect of it.
I don't play enough to be considered a useful part of a corp. I'd probably get kicked after a week in a decently run corp.
You do your thing, I'll do mine, and I'll try not to bump into you while I'm undocking or at a gate, and that's all the interaction I want with your kind.
this is valid the other way around also. You can have griefer (as you like to call, they are just pirates or mercs) that stay on NPC corps and cannot be hunted in empire by people thatw ant to get rid of them!
I say yes, 10% tax on NPC corp should be mandatory, or even better force them to get out of the corp.
If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough |
SiJira
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Posted - 2007.05.10 14:29:00 -
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Originally by: Gealbhan *puts away the bag of cookies*
I'm not feeding the Trolls.
*grabs cookies and throws them under the bridge*
/end thread ____ __ ________ _sig below_ the jet cans are made so that people that dont mine can get free ore
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Nox Solaris
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Posted - 2007.05.10 14:40:00 -
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Who cares about the nuubs in nuub corps. Let 'em stay.
Except!
Nuub corp limitations: NO mining barges NO freighters NO skills above rank 4 trainable. Level 1 and 2 agents only (under the current agent system)
NPC corps NO mining barges NO freighters (these skills can be trained, however) Level 1-3 agents only.
Creation costs for making corps (per 30 days) First corp: 1 mil Second: 10 mil Third: 20mil double cost each time after third.
How to prevent corp hopping, however, will be very difficult.
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Leandro Salazar
The Blackguard Wolves
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Posted - 2007.05.10 14:42:00 -
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Originally by: Kagura Nikon
this is valid the other way around also. You can have griefer (as you like to call, they are just pirates or mercs) that stay on NPC corps and cannot be hunted in empire by people thatw ant to get rid of them!
Exactly, and does any carebear whine about that? No, because it is fine this way around just like it is fine the other way round.
--------- There is no 'n' in turret There is no 'r' in faction There is no 'a' in Kestrel There is no 'e' in Caldari
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Kagura Nikon
Minmatar Guardians of the Dawn Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.05.10 14:59:00 -
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No its not fine! If you are a corp that live in low sec you can be suffering a lot in hands of such groups. And when you contract mercenaries to get rid of them, they just hide in empire and you cannot war dec them.
Eve center concept is about corps. Carebears empire huggers have all the right to exista as long as this do not prejudice the ones that are playing the game as it was made to be played.
Maybe increase drastically the results of attacking someone in low sec if you are in an NPC corp (losing LOTS of security and some standing (wich repectable public corporation would liek to be involved with someone that kills people?)). That could possible solve part of the problem.
If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough |
Sian Tairnesh
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.05.10 15:05:00 -
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Originally by: Kagura Nikon Eve center concept is about corps. Carebears empire huggers have all the right to exista as long as this do not prejudice the ones that are playing the game as it was made to be played.
And you know all intentions the developers had, because...? Fact is: It's possible to stay in an NPC corp for as long as one likes. It was made like this by the developers. In case you don't know: These are the people who made the game the way they wanted it to be.
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Bistot Kid
The First Thing You'll Ever See
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Posted - 2007.05.10 15:06:00 -
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Originally by: Kagura Nikon Maybe increase drastically the results of attacking someone in low sec if you are in an NPC corp (losing LOTS of security and some standing (wich repectable public corporation would liek to be involved with someone that kills people?)). That could possible solve part of the problem.
You've come up with one of the most sensible solutions there. If people are using NPC corps to hit people in 0.4 and below, then run to mummy concord when retribution is called for, that's not on.
I'd even be inclined to agree with an instant -5.0 sec status for initiating combat resulting in a kill for NPC corp members if that would make "risk vs reward" more balanced.
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Kagura Nikon
Minmatar Guardians of the Dawn Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.05.10 15:24:00 -
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Originally by: Sian Tairnesh
Originally by: Kagura Nikon Eve center concept is about corps. Carebears empire huggers have all the right to exista as long as this do not prejudice the ones that are playing the game as it was made to be played.
And you know all intentions the developers had, because...? Fact is: It's possible to stay in an NPC corp for as long as one likes. It was made like this by the developers. In case you don't know: These are the people who made the game the way they wanted it to be.
because developers stated them in forum several times?
If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough |
Thesas
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2007.05.10 15:24:00 -
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Originally by: murder one
Originally by: Kolwrath
Originally by: murder one ...and into the existing NPC holding corps we have now, but with one difference: all NPC holding corps would be able to be war decced.
This would ensure that any player in Eve could have war declared upon them. Don't like to be in a big NPC corp with dozens of wardecs declared upon it daily? Simply start a one man corp and join it. Presto, you're out of that horrible mess of an NPC corp, but you're still able to be war decced (a good thing).
This removes the issue of players hiding in NPC noob corps for months, if not years. There simply isn't any downside to this idea. Feel free to post complements and vociferous praise and adulation.
That will be all.
Whenever this sort of post comes up people always seem to over look the fact that people will just disband and reform new corps. Over and Over and over. So yeah your idea would not fix anything except anoy people.
So what. At least people wouldn't be hiding in noob corps ffs.
No.. they will be playing other games.
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Thufir Hawats
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2007.05.10 15:27:00 -
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Don't waste your time to reply to this troll, people :)
It's the same guy who proposed to remove missions alltogether if you remember.
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Kagura Nikon
Minmatar Guardians of the Dawn Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.05.10 15:29:00 -
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Originally by: Bistot Kid
Originally by: Kagura Nikon Maybe increase drastically the results of attacking someone in low sec if you are in an NPC corp (losing LOTS of security and some standing (wich repectable public corporation would liek to be involved with someone that kills people?)). That could possible solve part of the problem.
You've come up with one of the most sensible solutions there. If people are using NPC corps to hit people in 0.4 and below, then run to mummy concord when retribution is called for, that's not on.
I'd even be inclined to agree with an instant -5.0 sec status for initiating combat resulting in a kill for NPC corp members if that would make "risk vs reward" more balanced.
I also think that a few thing extra shoudl be done. For example a few restrictions on what you can do based in your corp. Why in hell would a noop corp accept that one of its member is buying a Titan BPO? That is obviously not their businnes. And this is done (just and exagerated example) to keep safe from being intercepted in empire. Capital BPO and Skill books should on my view be restricted to members of non NPC corps. And by restricted I mean work as ilegal items, so you cannot transport them with " empire alts"
If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough |
Curzon Dax
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.05.10 15:32:00 -
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Originally by: Sikozu Prioris Your ideas are completly moronic. There is no good reason to do this. Many ppl in the npc corporations are there simply because they can DO WHATEVER THEY BLOODY LIKE.
Eve is not about forcing ppl what to do, its a free form game where you can do what you like.
Your idea of npc holding corps is a completly wrong solution. Why? one because everyone will leave and make there own corps, just to reform into one with a slightly different name everytime they get decced.
And secondly since the npc corps are part of one of the empire factions (or basically a big alliance compared to a player alliance) YOU WOULD HAVE TO WAR DEC THE GALLENTE FEDERATION, THE AMMAR EMPIRE, CALDARI STATE or MINMATAR REPUBLIC.
This would cost in the region of billions to do (a week) and if you where in their space you would constantly be attacked BY ALL THE SENTRY GUNS, THE WHOLE OF THEIR NAVY IN EVERY SYSTEM AND WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO DOCK AT ANY OF THEIR STATIONS.
Ah...so true.
The reason that people in NPC corps cannot post in COAD is because COAD is reserved for people representing their corps and alliances. Such representation from an NPC faction is reserved for the president/leader of each faction, and the player members of those factions hold no say in faction politics. So said a GM to me once about why I couldn't post even if I wasn't an alt.
To this end, it would make sense to allow wardecs of NPC holding corps. You get to wardec me, but all Caldari space is off limits to you, Caldari State and Caldari Navy set their standing to you at -10.0, you now enter Jita on pain of death from faction armadas, and I can sit in a shuttle on a gate waiting for you to come kill me and die.
Balance, remember?
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Kagura Nikon
Minmatar Guardians of the Dawn Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.05.10 15:54:00 -
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Originally by: Curzon Dax
Originally by: Sikozu Prioris Your ideas are completly moronic. There is no good reason to do this. Many ppl in the npc corporations are there simply because they can DO WHATEVER THEY BLOODY LIKE.
Eve is not about forcing ppl what to do, its a free form game where you can do what you like.
Your idea of npc holding corps is a completly wrong solution. Why? one because everyone will leave and make there own corps, just to reform into one with a slightly different name everytime they get decced.
And secondly since the npc corps are part of one of the empire factions (or basically a big alliance compared to a player alliance) YOU WOULD HAVE TO WAR DEC THE GALLENTE FEDERATION, THE AMMAR EMPIRE, CALDARI STATE or MINMATAR REPUBLIC.
This would cost in the region of billions to do (a week) and if you where in their space you would constantly be attacked BY ALL THE SENTRY GUNS, THE WHOLE OF THEIR NAVY IN EVERY SYSTEM AND WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO DOCK AT ANY OF THEIR STATIONS.
Ah...so true.
The reason that people in NPC corps cannot post in COAD is because COAD is reserved for people representing their corps and alliances. Such representation from an NPC faction is reserved for the president/leader of each faction, and the player members of those factions hold no say in faction politics. So said a GM to me once about why I couldn't post even if I wasn't an alt.
To this end, it would make sense to allow wardecs of NPC holding corps. You get to wardec me, but all Caldari space is off limits to you, Caldari State and Caldari Navy set their standing to you at -10.0, you now enter Jita on pain of death from faction armadas, and I can sit in a shuttle on a gate waiting for you to come kill me and die.
Balance, remember?
I think that would be perfeclty fine. Can war dec NPC corps but you get -10 to their empire. (not concord, bgut tehir NAVY)
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Curzon Dax
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.05.10 16:07:00 -
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Edited by: Curzon Dax on 10/05/2007 16:03:57 Indeed. I work for the Caldari State. I've had a long and prosperous relationship with them, and my standing with them is almost 9.0. I should think that if someone were to wardec the Caldari State for the purpose of killing me or my brethren, they would face harsh reprisal from my employers.
No docking in Caldari Space, KOS to faction armadas.., -10.0 to the faction and all member corporations, and the wardeccing corporation should have all players be KOS in that faction's space. IE, you wardec my NPC corp, and you are flashy red to ANYONE in their faction space.
After all, you're an enemy of the state now, and the state wants you eradicated.
*EDIT* Isn't it terrible when the carebears you wish to persecute fight back with logic?
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Thesas
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2007.05.10 16:43:00 -
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LetĘs see now..
You can already steal our ore, blow us up at your leisure, gank our best ships, blast us when we enter low sec before we even see low sec, and essentially herd us like rats anyplace you choose. Now you want to declare war on us in NPC corps before we have the basic skills learnedą
Do sign me up for that little gem of an idea.
This will certainly go far in boosting subscriptions.. in other games.
Try this idea.. leave the noobs alone and one day they will come looking for you.
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Sian Tairnesh
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.05.10 16:54:00 -
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Originally by: Kagura Nikon
Originally by: Sian Tairnesh
Originally by: Kagura Nikon Eve center concept is about corps. Carebears empire huggers have all the right to exista as long as this do not prejudice the ones that are playing the game as it was made to be played.
And you know all intentions the developers had, because...? Fact is: It's possible to stay in an NPC corp for as long as one likes. It was made like this by the developers. In case you don't know: These are the people who made the game the way they wanted it to be.
because developers stated them in forum several times?
Please show me the post where the developers say that they don't want people in noob corporations...
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Vantoth
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.05.10 17:06:00 -
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I have been playing off and on for a bit over 5 months. I did join a corp early on, and soon after I joined we were war decced. I lost almost everything I owned and so did the corp because we were smaller and could not outnumber the corp that WD'D us. I became frustrated because there was no way for me to gain the ISK I needed to keep buying ships and gear just to play the game. SO at that time I set a long skill and quit because there was no way for me to play the game in any enjoyable fashion.
After a few months I decided to re-activate my account and try again. I log in and find the Corp I had originally joined had disbanded. Why? I am betting that is was from the war dec and non stop griefing.
Since I was shifted back into an NPC corp I have re-established my self. I have several ships from a Retriever to a Brutix plus several in between. Something I NEVER could have done while being war decced. I have lost a few ships since coming back, because I went ratting and Mining in Low sec. But I had enough resources that it did not hurt nearly as bad as the first time I played.
I have been looking into joing a Player run corp. But the problem is I have just over 1 million SP. But most of the player run corps you so badley want me to join, have a requirment of 5 million sp or more. So it will be me having to create my own one man corp and start recruiting. Can my Dinky lil' corp move out to 0.0 where you want me? No i would never survive out there. Oh wait, I can stay in High Sec and be war decced by some other larger, bored to hell, I wanna grief some smaller corp, corperation and yet again lose everything I have worked towards in this game.
What will happen if I say anything on the forum about it, I will get flamed by the great unwashed PvP hordes and told to go play some Carebear game if I can't take it. But golly gee the OP says that since I have been playing the game for 5 or 6 months I should have to go to a corp so he and his fellows can War Dec me and kill me in High Sec space, because apparently he can't survive in Low sec/0.0 space and has to come hunting in high sec.
I would gladly work for a corp that will not dictate to me how I am to play. If they need me for a mining op, sure, if they need me for a combat Op that's fine too. But tell me what I have to learn as far as skills go, or how long/when I need to play, then screw that. I PAY to play this game. The direction my character goes is up to me, not some high handed CEO.
I don't mind losing a ship now and then, heck it adds excitment when I am fighting for my in game life. But to be repeatedly blown up/podded and harassed so I cannot even leave a station, just so someone else can get thier jollies, screw that too. If you force Players to do something they do not want to do or make the game into a grief fest you will do nothing but cause the player base to dwindle to the point that CCP cannot afford to keep the game going.
I do not mind PvP, I don't want to do it every time I log in, but by forcing me into a situation where I will constantley be hunted and have no chance to get ahead in the game I and others will indeed quit.
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Kagura Nikon
Minmatar Guardians of the Dawn Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.05.10 17:18:00 -
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And you will not get PVP every time. I live in 0.0 and I am focused in PVP andf I can only get a fight 3 4 times per week. If you do not want to get a fight youc an live in 0.0 and be force to fight about once per month.
99% of carebears have really zero idea of how things really are.
And if anyone think PVPers would be scared on being KOS in aan empire ... lol. Some would love it! Do you really think a caldari NPC gate NAVY group is match to a 5 man player PVP gang?
If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough |
Kagura Nikon
Minmatar Guardians of the Dawn Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.05.10 17:19:00 -
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Originally by: Sian Tairnesh
Originally by: Kagura Nikon
Originally by: Sian Tairnesh
Originally by: Kagura Nikon Eve center concept is about corps. Carebears empire huggers have all the right to exista as long as this do not prejudice the ones that are playing the game as it was made to be played.
And you know all intentions the developers had, because...? Fact is: It's possible to stay in an NPC corp for as long as one likes. It was made like this by the developers. In case you don't know: These are the people who made the game the way they wanted it to be.
because developers stated them in forum several times?
Please show me the post where the developers say that they don't want people in noob corporations...
there is no way to discuss with people that distort others words to put how they want to be. Therefore I will promplty ignore you from now once sine you don deserve attention when you don't discuss as an adult.
If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough |
Anaalys Fluuterby
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.05.10 20:13:00 -
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Originally by: Kagura Nikon
there is no way to discuss with people that distort others words to put how they want to be. Therefore I will promplty ignore you from now once sine you don deserve attention when you don't discuss as an adult.
So......
You don't have a link?
Strange, and here Keiron said not 3 weeks ago that "PvP/PvE is not something appeals to all players". In context he said that no one was going to be forced to participate in either activity.....
Want me to dig it up for you? It was in my signature until yesterday, I'm sure I can find it again. <-----------> Factional Warefare:
The LowSec wars which never happened (since no one runs missions in LowSec for no bounties). |
Sian Tairnesh
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.05.11 08:50:00 -
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Originally by: Kagura Nikon there is no way to discuss with people that distort others words to put how they want to be. Therefore I will promplty ignore you from now once sine you don deserve attention when you don't discuss as an adult.
I'm sorry, but I thought this discussion was about people staying in a noob corporation and other people having a problem with that.
Ignoring me when you run out of arguments isn't really mature, by the way.
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qilin
S.A.S Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2007.05.11 10:01:00 -
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Edited by: qilin on 11/05/2007 09:59:19 utterly stupid idea, launching new players into pvp from the word go would make it inaccessable to new players, how can someone learn about the game if they are at risk of being shot at while doing the tutorial. people have a right to choose if they want to pvp, if they want to they will join a non-noob corp, if they wanna play in a noob corp thats their choice. there is no issue with ppl hiding in noob corps, plenty of other ppl to shoot at tbh.
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Tonkin
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.05.11 10:12:00 -
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or add personal war decs make things easyier, i got a few peeps that i would love to kill hehehe, peeps i've flown with
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