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murder one
Gallente
Death of Virtue
Vigilance Infinitas
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Posted - 2007.05.10 04:05:00 -
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...and into the existing NPC holding corps we have now, but with one difference: all NPC holding corps would be able to be war decced.
This would ensure that any player in Eve could have war declared upon them. Don't like to be in a big NPC corp with dozens of wardecs declared upon it daily? Simply start a one man corp and join it. Presto, you're out of that horrible mess of an NPC corp, but you're still able to be war decced (a good thing).
This removes the issue of players hiding in NPC noob corps for months, if not years. There simply isn't any downside to this idea. Feel free to post complements and vociferous praise and adulation.
That will be all.
Because I said so...
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Janu Hull
Caldari
Order of Z Industries
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Posted - 2007.05.10 04:06:00 -
[2]
 Originally by: murder one
...and into the existing NPC holding corps we have now, but with one difference: all NPC holding corps would be able to be war decced.
This would ensure that any player in Eve could have war declared upon them. Don't like to be in a big NPC corp with dozens of wardecs declared upon it daily? Simply start a one man corp and join it. Presto, you're out of that horrible mess of an NPC corp, but you're still able to be war decced (a good thing).
This removes the issue of players hiding in NPC noob corps for months, if not years. There simply isn't any downside to this idea. Feel free to post complements and vociferous praise and adulation.
That will be all.
I think someone needs to stop touching himself and get back to ratting for his Alliance masters.
This is my sig, there are many others just like it. With me, my sig is worthless. Without (or with even) my sig, I am worthless... |
Kolwrath
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Posted - 2007.05.10 04:10:00 -
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Originally by: murder one
...and into the existing NPC holding corps we have now, but with one difference: all NPC holding corps would be able to be war decced.
This would ensure that any player in Eve could have war declared upon them. Don't like to be in a big NPC corp with dozens of wardecs declared upon it daily? Simply start a one man corp and join it. Presto, you're out of that horrible mess of an NPC corp, but you're still able to be war decced (a good thing).
This removes the issue of players hiding in NPC noob corps for months, if not years. There simply isn't any downside to this idea. Feel free to post complements and vociferous praise and adulation.
That will be all.
Whenever this sort of post comes up people always seem to over look the fact that people will just disband and reform new corps. Over and Over and over. So yeah your idea would not fix anything except anoy people.
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AirWalker
Amarr
Galactic Response Team
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Posted - 2007.05.10 04:12:00 -
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what if......you posted your what ifs in the ideas discussion forum
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murder one
Gallente
Death of Virtue
Vigilance Infinitas
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Posted - 2007.05.10 04:12:00 -
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Originally by: Kolwrath
Originally by: murder one
...and into the existing NPC holding corps we have now, but with one difference: all NPC holding corps would be able to be war decced.
This would ensure that any player in Eve could have war declared upon them. Don't like to be in a big NPC corp with dozens of wardecs declared upon it daily? Simply start a one man corp and join it. Presto, you're out of that horrible mess of an NPC corp, but you're still able to be war decced (a good thing).
This removes the issue of players hiding in NPC noob corps for months, if not years. There simply isn't any downside to this idea. Feel free to post complements and vociferous praise and adulation.
That will be all.
Whenever this sort of post comes up people always seem to over look the fact that people will just disband and reform new corps. Over and Over and over. So yeah your idea would not fix anything except anoy people.
So what. At least people wouldn't be hiding in noob corps ffs.
Because I said so...
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar
Sicarri Covenant
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.10 04:13:00 -
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Originally by: murder one
...and into the existing NPC holding corps we have now, but with one difference: all NPC holding corps would be able to be war decced.
This would ensure that any player in Eve could have war declared upon them. Don't like to be in a big NPC corp with dozens of wardecs declared upon it daily? Simply start a one man corp and join it. Presto, you're out of that horrible mess of an NPC corp, but you're still able to be war decced (a good thing).
This removes the issue of players hiding in NPC noob corps for months, if not years. There simply isn't any downside to this idea. Feel free to post complements and vociferous praise and adulation.
That will be all.
No downside except to when the non-noob NPC corp organizes and camps your entire alliance back into the corp... like the Borg. 
You will be assimilated!
Tic Toc Tic Toc , time is ticking ... ~Liz Kali
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murder one
Gallente
Death of Virtue
Vigilance Infinitas
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Posted - 2007.05.10 04:17:00 -
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Originally by: AirWalker
what if......you posted your what ifs in the ideas discussion forum
Less exposure, and therefore less entertainment value.
Because I said so...
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SiJira
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Posted - 2007.05.10 04:17:00 -
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Originally by: murder one
...and into the existing NPC holding corps we have now, but with one difference: all NPC holding corps would be able to be war decced.
This would ensure that any player in Eve could have war declared upon them. Don't like to be in a big NPC corp with dozens of wardecs declared upon it daily? Simply start a one man corp and join it. Presto, you're out of that horrible mess of an NPC corp, but you're still able to be war decced (a good thing).
This removes the issue of players hiding in NPC noob corps for months, if not years. There simply isn't any downside to this idea. Feel free to post complements and vociferous praise and adulation.
That will be all.
your idea compared to now:
all the alts that you are hopefully targetting with this idea can be trained up within 0-5 days and would not be affected
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murder one
Gallente
Death of Virtue
Vigilance Infinitas
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Posted - 2007.05.10 04:20:00 -
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Originally by: SiJira
Originally by: murder one
...and into the existing NPC holding corps we have now, but with one difference: all NPC holding corps would be able to be war decced.
This would ensure that any player in Eve could have war declared upon them. Don't like to be in a big NPC corp with dozens of wardecs declared upon it daily? Simply start a one man corp and join it. Presto, you're out of that horrible mess of an NPC corp, but you're still able to be war decced (a good thing).
This removes the issue of players hiding in NPC noob corps for months, if not years. There simply isn't any downside to this idea. Feel free to post complements and vociferous praise and adulation.
That will be all.
your idea compared to now:
all the alts that you are hopefully targetting with this idea can be trained up within 0-5 days and would not be affected
Of course. That's not the point. Alts arn't the main issue here.
Because I said so...
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Kirex
Gallente
Vale Heavy Industries
Molotov Coalition
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Posted - 2007.05.10 04:20:00 -
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I don't think this is the right answer...
Maybe just increase the tax to 15-20%.
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Yurii Chan
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Posted - 2007.05.10 04:21:00 -
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what if... you suicide the person you want dead?
and leave the NPC corps alone.
wasn't too hard to think of really... was it?
and stop flogging the poor dead horse...
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Mr Escrow
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Posted - 2007.05.10 04:21:00 -
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Edited by: Mr Escrow on 10/05/2007 04:18:02
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AirWalker
Amarr
Galactic Response Team
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Posted - 2007.05.10 04:22:00 -
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i dunno about the holding corps......but i agree everyone should have the same chance of being war dec'd and not hide behind an npc corp
also a small corp that doesn't do much would be less likely to be war dec'd than a huge npc holding corp
sorry alt post by accident (mr escrow)
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Magnum III
Journey On Squad
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Posted - 2007.05.10 04:28:00 -
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Some people like the other players in the NPC corp to talk to them.
And some like them because they are not under obligation to be told what to do.
And those people would not like it if some ****er ****ed someone off and they got drcced for it and
Than they are fighting some one for no reason they know of and not even getting any fun out of it, it haveing nothing to do with them.
But one man corps are boring, I am in my own corp just to get the office spaces thow.
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SiJira
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Posted - 2007.05.10 04:31:00 -
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Originally by: murder one
Originally by: SiJira
Originally by: murder one
...and into the existing NPC holding corps we have now, but with one difference: all NPC holding corps would be able to be war decced.
This would ensure that any player in Eve could have war declared upon them. Don't like to be in a big NPC corp with dozens of wardecs declared upon it daily? Simply start a one man corp and join it. Presto, you're out of that horrible mess of an NPC corp, but you're still able to be war decced (a good thing).
This removes the issue of players hiding in NPC noob corps for months, if not years. There simply isn't any downside to this idea. Feel free to post complements and vociferous praise and adulation.
That will be all.
your idea compared to now:
all the alts that you are hopefully targetting with this idea can be trained up within 0-5 days and would not be affected
Of course. That's not the point. Alts arn't the main issue here.
at first i thought you were creating some sort of reverse psychology thing to make people realize npc corps and missions were important
but now i think you just want to dwindle the player base
what is it you dont understand about people averting risk ?
they wont go to 0.0 now - they wont go with your idea - they will just QUIT
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murder one
Gallente
Death of Virtue
Vigilance Infinitas
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Posted - 2007.05.10 04:58:00 -
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Originally by: SiJira
Originally by: murder one
Originally by: SiJira
Originally by: murder one
...and into the existing NPC holding corps we have now, but with one difference: all NPC holding corps would be able to be war decced.
This would ensure that any player in Eve could have war declared upon them. Don't like to be in a big NPC corp with dozens of wardecs declared upon it daily? Simply start a one man corp and join it. Presto, you're out of that horrible mess of an NPC corp, but you're still able to be war decced (a good thing).
This removes the issue of players hiding in NPC noob corps for months, if not years. There simply isn't any downside to this idea. Feel free to post complements and vociferous praise and adulation.
That will be all.
your idea compared to now:
all the alts that you are hopefully targetting with this idea can be trained up within 0-5 days and would not be affected
Of course. That's not the point. Alts arn't the main issue here.
at first i thought you were creating some sort of reverse psychology thing to make people realize npc corps and missions were important
but now i think you just want to dwindle the player base
what is it you dont understand about people averting risk ?
they wont go to 0.0 now - they wont go with your idea - they will just QUIT
I know. Risk averse players will leave, and the influx of new players will not know any different, accept it as normal, and remain, hence improving the game.
Because I said so...
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Lavinrac Krad
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Posted - 2007.05.10 05:03:00 -
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Though with the Privateers nerf I can not blame Ganksters for having a little carebear hate at the moment (hence nerf calls such as this), you need to take the higher ground.
If your enemy asks for a nerf and receives it and you ask for a nerf and receive it, then you just made the game suck for the both of you. There needs to be compromise, there needs to be balance (Not nerf balance, but balance in the way you view Eve).
Miners, traders, mission runners, pirates, alliance members, and even scammers & greifers need to think about more than "What will make me uber, safe, rich, happy, ect..." Instead you must ask, "What is best for Eve? What should be so that not only I, but also miners, traders, mission runners, pirates, alliance members, scammers and greifers can enjoy the game with me?"
The horrors of the nerf bat must end!
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lusifar
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Posted - 2007.05.10 05:03:00 -
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besides the facts that some people DONT want to do pvp. but want to do some mmo without having to fight the other players..
what would you say if you where forced not to do pvp just because i thought it would be a good idea to remove it so people that didnt like it didnt have to see it...
stupid idea
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murder one
Gallente
Death of Virtue
Vigilance Infinitas
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Posted - 2007.05.10 05:06:00 -
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Originally by: lusifar
besides the facts that some people DONT want to do pvp. but want to do some mmo without having to fight the other players..
what would you say if you where forced not to do pvp just because i thought it would be a good idea to remove it so people that didnt like it didnt have to see it...
stupid idea
There is a game for that- it's called WoW.
Because I said so...
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Kiviar
Caldari
Dirty Sanchez Ltd
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Posted - 2007.05.10 05:09:00 -
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The best solution that I have heard for solving this problem is applying the same limits to training and ship piloting capability that trial accounts have. It allows people who want to stay in noob corps to stay in them, but it also limits their potential encouraging them to go out in to the universe.
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Blue Pixie
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Posted - 2007.05.10 05:12:00 -
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What if... you pay my monthly subscription fee and I'll play the damn game however you wish?
Short of that, go stuff yourself. I'm entitled to my idea of fun as much as you are.
I've given up all the benefits of a genuine player corp, just for immunity from wardecs. Don't like it? Tough crap. Get out of Empire.
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Curzon Dax
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.05.10 05:21:00 -
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Originally by: murder one
...and into the existing NPC holding corps we have now, but with one difference: all NPC holding corps would be able to be war decced.
This would ensure that any player in Eve could have war declared upon them. Don't like to be in a big NPC corp with dozens of wardecs declared upon it daily? Simply start a one man corp and join it. Presto, you're out of that horrible mess of an NPC corp, but you're still able to be war decced (a good thing).
This removes the issue of players hiding in NPC noob corps for months, if not years. There simply isn't any downside to this idea. Feel free to post complements and vociferous praise and adulation.
That will be all.
Hi Murder One. Let me cover a few things.
1. Just say it: you're looking for weak, easy targets. You haven't the skills to find as many targets as you would like, and you want CCP to hand you more of them on a silver platter.
2. You can kill people in NPC corps all you want. Suicide gank them.
3. There's no reason to wardec the people in NPC corps. We don't offend you, and you have no reason to fight us in highsec. There are plenty of other targets.
4. We don't want one man corporations. Your attitude and corporation have nothing to offer. That's why I'm in an NPC corporation. You have nothing to offer, nor have I seen anyone else with anything to offer. There's a lot of people like me, and we prefer the casual atmosphere of our NPC corporations.
5. You want to fight people in NPC corporations? Reach deep down into your pants, find some balls, and click my signature, and come fight me. I will whip you six ways from Sunday.
I think that's about it. Stop whining about not being able to kill anyone you like in Empire space and adapt. Oh yes, I've heard you say that before. Adapt. There is no shortage of targets, and nothing in this game gets handed to you on a silver platter. It gets handed to me instead.
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Curzon Dax
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.05.10 05:31:00 -
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Originally by: Kirex
I don't think this is the right answer...
Maybe just increase the tax to 15-20%.
Ah yes, the "lets tax NPC corps" argument.
Your player corp has a set amount of tax; the ISK gets put into the corporation wallet and your CEO can spend it how he sees fit. There is no ISK lost.
Were there a tax on an NPC corporation, that ISK would disappear into the ether. It would be an ISK sink. Personally I have no problem with that because Eve is about equality. I'm down with that. 15% tax on NPC corps and we can call it a "faction tax." However, don't forget that we're all equal. If 15% of my ISK is going to disappear into nothingness, so too is 15% of your ISK.
Thus, your corp base tax would also be 15%, which would not go to your corporation wallet, it would disappear to your faction. If your CEO wanted a 15% tax for corporate use, your total tax rate would be 30%. 15% to disappear and 15% for your corporation.
There's a REASON why this hasn't ever been instituted. Regardless of the forum whining, CCP does institute some measure of equal opportunity. If 15% of everyone's ISK is disappearing into nothing, there is no point instituting the tax at all.
Thus, we remain where we are in the status quo.
If you're looking for an EFFECTIVE way to sink ISK, try this: players who lose ships to CONCORD don't get paid insurance.
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Derovius Vaden
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Posted - 2007.05.10 06:03:00 -
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- No, people using NPC corps are the closest thing to controlled PvP as EVE has. I am not interested in war decs, or the idiots who hide behind them to take what they want from others. I work damn hard for what I have in EVE, and no little peckerwood like you is going to worm your way into my pockets.
- Members of NPC corps are not invulnerable, you just have to *gasp* RISK LOSING SOMETHING. OH MY GOSH, ITS HARD MODE.
- As for downsides, I can think of several. The privateer people will fish high security systems, watching people's employment history, waiting for the newbies to pop out of NPC corps just to pull a turkey shoot. You want proof of the deviousness in EVE? Look at the freighter situation in high-sec. A ship that could possible tank a gate camp gets insta-poped by 12 men blobs, IN HIGH SEC. Imagine the freaking chaos when they make it so CONCORD doesn't get involved period. YOU'LL NEED CCP TO IMPLEMENT A TERROR ALERT SYSTEM FOR JITA, PERHAPS ONE THAT USES RUBBER DUCKIES...
Long story short, GTFO of how I play my game, I don't hurt anyone, so leave me be.
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Ryas Nia
Minmatar
Stormriders
Fimbulwinter
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Posted - 2007.05.10 06:15:00 -
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Originally by: murder one
...and into the existing NPC holding corps we have now, but with one difference: all NPC holding corps would be able to be war decced.
This would ensure that any player in Eve could have war declared upon them. Don't like to be in a big NPC corp with dozens of wardecs declared upon it daily? Simply start a one man corp and join it. Presto, you're out of that horrible mess of an NPC corp, but you're still able to be war decced (a good thing).
This removes the issue of players hiding in NPC noob corps for months, if not years. There simply isn't any downside to this idea. Feel free to post complements and vociferous praise and adulation.
That will be all.
Honestly i have thought about this and i like it.. but with a tweak. People get 6mths in an noob corp and then have to join one of the faction corps in game, these faction corps could have standing wardecs, but they would be modified so you still take a security hit, however a greatly reduced one. Pod kills would still retain their regular low sec penalty to reduce griefing.
Just a thought...
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Fswd
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Posted - 2007.05.10 06:15:00 -
[26]
Proof of stfu
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ArmyOfMe
Exotic Dancers Club
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Posted - 2007.05.10 06:23:00 -
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Originally by: Kirex
I don't think this is the right answer...
Maybe just increase the tax to 15-20%.
Would be a nice isk sink and possibly a very good solution to getting ppl out of npc corps
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Kylar Renpurs
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Posted - 2007.05.10 06:25:00 -
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What if... the op realised that people in NPC corps are just as gimped in terms of fighting back against PC corps?
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murder one
Gallente
Death of Virtue
Vigilance Infinitas
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Posted - 2007.05.10 06:40:00 -
[29]
Originally by: Ryas Nia
Originally by: murder one
...and into the existing NPC holding corps we have now, but with one difference: all NPC holding corps would be able to be war decced.
This would ensure that any player in Eve could have war declared upon them. Don't like to be in a big NPC corp with dozens of wardecs declared upon it daily? Simply start a one man corp and join it. Presto, you're out of that horrible mess of an NPC corp, but you're still able to be war decced (a good thing).
This removes the issue of players hiding in NPC noob corps for months, if not years. There simply isn't any downside to this idea. Feel free to post complements and vociferous praise and adulation.
That will be all.
Honestly i have thought about this and i like it.. but with a tweak. People get 6mths in an noob corp and then have to join one of the faction corps in game, these faction corps could have standing wardecs, but they would be modified so you still take a security hit, however a greatly reduced one. Pod kills would still retain their regular low sec penalty to reduce griefing.
Just a thought...
Good idea. I'm not adverse to that at all.
Because I said so...
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Tenebrion Darkness
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Posted - 2007.05.10 07:14:00 -
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First, towards allowing npc holding corps to be war decced, you do realize that would mean declaring war on an entire faction for I doubt (for example) the Amarr Empire is going to let you dec my corp and not do anything about it.
Second, on the standing war decs, who would these decs be with? The other npc holding corps?
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murder one
Gallente
Death of Virtue
Vigilance Infinitas
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Posted - 2007.05.10 07:22:00 -
[31]
Originally by: Curzon Dax
Originally by: murder one
...and into the existing NPC holding corps we have now, but with one difference: all NPC holding corps would be able to be war decced.
This would ensure that any player in Eve could have war declared upon them. Don't like to be in a big NPC corp with dozens of wardecs declared upon it daily? Simply start a one man corp and join it. Presto, you're out of that horrible mess of an NPC corp, but you're still able to be war decced (a good thing).
This removes the issue of players hiding in NPC noob corps for months, if not years. There simply isn't any downside to this idea. Feel free to post complements and vociferous praise and adulation.
That will be all.
Hi Murder One. Let me cover a few things.
1. Just say it: you're looking for weak, easy targets. You haven't the skills to find as many targets as you would like, and you want CCP to hand you more of them on a silver platter.
2. You can kill people in NPC corps all you want. Suicide gank them.
3. There's no reason to wardec the people in NPC corps. We don't offend you, and you have no reason to fight us in highsec. There are plenty of other targets.
4. We don't want one man corporations. Your attitude and corporation have nothing to offer. That's why I'm in an NPC corporation. You have nothing to offer, nor have I seen anyone else with anything to offer. There's a lot of people like me, and we prefer the casual atmosphere of our NPC corporations.
5. You want to fight people in NPC corporations? Reach deep down into your pants, find some balls, and click my signature, and come fight me. I will whip you six ways from Sunday.
I think that's about it. Stop whining about not being able to kill anyone you like in Empire space and adapt. Oh yes, I've heard you say that before. Adapt. There is no shortage of targets, and nothing in this game gets handed to you on a silver platter. It gets handed to me instead.
It has nothing to do with how many targets I have. I'm not so narrow as to be so selfish in my suggestions. Just moving NPC corp players into deccable corps won't change my target list in the least. It's about moving players out of the sheltered noob life and into the real Eve world with the rest of the players. Noob/NPC corps should be exactly that: noob corps. Corps for noobs to get established in some degree of safety. Nothing more.
As for PVPing you- how about we go on the test server and make bets? I think that'll take quite a bit of wind out of your blow hard ass when you have to use the same modules/ships as everyone else instead of all your uber faction whatever you're able to afford with your mission/T2 BPO/wherever else you get your ISK.
Dueling isn't PVP. Get over yourself.
Because I said so...
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Blue Pixie
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Posted - 2007.05.10 07:37:00 -
[32]
You're not so narrow as to be selfish... just so arrogant to believe that:
a) You know the "real" manner of how EVE was meant to be played.
b) You know better than the developers how to get there.
What's your real motivation here? Envy? Jealousy? Someone has more iskies than you? Someone can afford better fittings than you? Oh noes.
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2007.05.10 07:39:00 -
[33]
Edited by: Jim McGregor on 10/05/2007 07:36:24
In every other mmorpg, you cant stay in the newbie zones forever if you want to get enough cash per hour to actually get somewhere in the game.
In Eve you can, and thats not right in my opinion. I would like to change this. But its not as easy as kicking people out of npc corps after 6 months. Where will they go? A lot of the npc corp players dont play very often and maybe log in now and then to run a mission or two. What corp will want these players who hardly ever play and only work for themselfs?
So if they are going to kick people from npc corps after 6 months, they should make it so a new default player corp is created if the player doesnt choose another corp. The default player corp would have just the player in it, as CEO. THen if they like, they can invite other players to it etc.
I think it would work, but some players would probably just recycle their chars every 6 months to still be in a npc corp forever. But then at least they have to make this choice and also give up their name in the game.
What do you guys think?
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Mecinia Lua
Galactic Express
Frontier Trade League
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Posted - 2007.05.10 07:45:00 -
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This would cost CCP subscriptions and thus money.
It is not really a feasible change. There are those playing EVE for whatever reason that stay in NPC corps. Some of these are there seeking to get around war declarations and that is regrettable. Many more are casual gamers. Most casual gamers do not make money at a rate to recoup any loss, in most cases they could lose months of work in a single loss. Without the protection of NPC corps these people would leave EVE.
Additionally folks need a break now and then and there are those in eve who would hunt them down constantly and never give them a break. It would force these people from the game as well.
If you are concerned about the alts. The simplest solution there would be for CCP to require all characters on the same account to be in the same corporation and thus alliance. This would remove the alt protection for many while still allowing the casual gamers a refuge. Yes I realize someone could still pay for two accounts and thus have people in two different corps, but at least that way CCP is making more money.
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murder one
Gallente
Death of Virtue
Vigilance Infinitas
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Posted - 2007.05.10 07:58:00 -
[35]
Originally by: Jim McGregor
Edited by: Jim McGregor on 10/05/2007 07:36:24
In every other mmorpg, you cant stay in the newbie zones forever if you want to get enough cash per hour to actually get somewhere in the game.
In Eve you can, and thats not right in my opinion. I would like to change this. But its not as easy as kicking people out of npc corps after 6 months. Where will they go? A lot of the npc corp players dont play very often and maybe log in now and then to run a mission or two. What corp will want these players who hardly ever play and only work for themselfs?
So if they are going to kick people from npc corps after 6 months, they should make it so a new default player corp is created if the player doesnt choose another corp. The default player corp would have just the player in it, as CEO. THen if they like, they can invite other players to it etc.
I think it would work, but some players would probably just recycle their chars every 6 months to still be in a npc corp forever. But then at least they have to make this choice and also give up their name in the game.
What do you guys think?
Jim: I think that your idea is a completely acceptable/brilliant idea. Accomplishes 100% of what I'd like to see happen, with a minimum of fuss.
If people recycle their chars every 6 months, so what. That's fine by me!
Because I said so...
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murder one
Gallente
Death of Virtue
Vigilance Infinitas
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Posted - 2007.05.10 07:59:00 -
[36]
Originally by: Blue Pixie
You're not so narrow as to be selfish... just so arrogant to believe that:
a) You know the "real" manner of how EVE was meant to be played.
b) You know better than the developers how to get there.
What's your real motivation here? Envy? Jealousy? Someone has more iskies than you? Someone can afford better fittings than you? Oh noes.
Pixi: read Jim's reply. My motivation has nothing to do with any of your above reasons. Jealousy has nothing to do with it.
Because I said so...
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Banana Torres
The Green Banana Corporation
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.10 08:18:00 -
[37]
Originally by: murder one
...and into the existing NPC holding corps we have now, but with one difference: all NPC holding corps would be able to be war decced.
This would ensure that any player in Eve could have war declared upon them. Don't like to be in a big NPC corp with dozens of wardecs declared upon it daily?
Dozens of wardecs, eh, those were the days (Banana looks dreamily into space). Of course with the escalating costs of the wardecs it would soon be very expensive to wardec the corp. And you do realise that the average length of time that someone plays the game is about 7 months. So most players who want to stay in NPC corps would not be affected at all.
Originally by: murder one
Feel free to post complements and vociferous praise and adulation.
Yep, stunning post, the people of Vigilance Infinitas must be very proud of you. You have not shown them up to be a bunch of ******s at all.
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Sikozu Prioris
W33D Corp.
O X I D E
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Posted - 2007.05.10 08:19:00 -
[38]
Your ideas are completly moronic. There is no good reason to do this. Many ppl in the npc corporations are there simply because they can DO WHATEVER THEY BLOODY LIKE.
Eve is not about forcing ppl what to do, its a free form game where you can do what you like.
Your idea of npc holding corps is a completly wrong solution. Why? one because everyone will leave and make there own corps, just to reform into one with a slightly different name everytime they get decced.
And secondly since the npc corps are part of one of the empire factions (or basically a big alliance compared to a player alliance) YOU WOULD HAVE TO WAR DEC THE GALLENTE FEDERATION, THE AMMAR EMPIRE, CALDARI STATE or MINMATAR REPUBLIC.
This would cost in the region of billions to do (a week) and if you where in their space you would constantly be attacked BY ALL THE SENTRY GUNS, THE WHOLE OF THEIR NAVY IN EVERY SYSTEM AND WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO DOCK AT ANY OF THEIR STATIONS.
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The Blackguard Wolves
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Posted - 2007.05.10 08:26:00 -
[39]
Originally by: murder one
rubbish
Ohh another 'Whaa whaa there are people in game I cannot kill at every corner, this must change as I am the one determining how EVE is supposed to be played and yall are just content for me' whine...
A few things:
People are not HIDING in NPC corps, they are LIVING there and enjoying the game. Why is that so bad? They don't do anything to hurt you, they don't kill your enjoyment of the game (assuming if you didn't enjoy it already you wouldn't play) yet you insist on their enjoyment in the game to be destroyed to give you MORE of it? Now if THAT is not seflish I don't know what is...
Also, right now we don't have THAT many wardecs because the ganktards KNOW that many people will just go back to n00bcorps when decced so do not even bother. Taking away that possibility, and assuming that corp hopping to avoid wardecs is an exploit, you will see a massive increase in wardecs, essentially making highsec pointless. Now obvioulsy that is exactly what you ganktards would love to see, but I am pretty sure that CCP will think otherwise...
And lastly, you say there is a game for pure and unmolested PvE called WoW, and carebears are supposed to go back there. I say there are tons of games for pure PvP 'unmolested' by PvErs too. Like Quake, CS, BF... Why don't YOU go back there instead?
EVE thrives on catering to both types of players, and changing that in either direction will likely destroy it. I for one am here because it offers me both the thrill of meaningful PvP AND the complacency of PvE, but leaves me the choice when to experience which. Take either away, and I am outta here (Not to WoW though since it lacks the former). And I am probably not alone.
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Blue Pixie
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Posted - 2007.05.10 08:28:00 -
[40]
Originally by: Jim McGregor
In every other mmorpg, you cant stay in the newbie zones forever if you want to get enough cash per hour to actually get somewhere in the game.
And in every other mmorpg, you also can't "level up" while being logged off. Wanna drastically alter EVE's skill training system while you're at it?
Originally by: Jim McGregor
In Eve you can, and thats not right in my opinion. I would like to change this.
Therein lies your problem. Let me re-emphasize that... your problem.
Why does your desire to "change this" take precedence over players who do NOT?
Originally by: Jim McGregor
What do you guys think?
I think people who elect to stay in NPC corps sacrifice enough already (including the ability to wardec YOU). If they can live with that, so can you.
The bottomline: the only problem here is you and the OP's inability to accept that some people don't share your enthusiasm for your playstyle. Get over it.
And murder one: just what is your motivation? Enlighten us.
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Posted - 2007.05.10 08:41:00 -
[41]
Originally by: Blue Pixie
Therein lies your problem. Let me re-emphasize that... your problem.
Why does your desire to "change this" take precedence over players who do NOT?
Are you going to use real arguments to discuss this topic? I dont have a problem with you stating your opinions, so why are you having a problem with me doing it? This is a discussion. I put my opinions on the table and so do you. Nobody is right or wrong here, its just opinions. Maybe you are wrong, maybe I am. Thats why discussions are worth having in the first place. You learn something.
I realize this is a topic that upset a lot of people, because they want to remain in the npc corp and just grind cash with no risks whatsoever. They have immunity to war decs and also the opportunity to make tons of cash by doing missions in a completely safe environment. Whats not to like if you want a easy game with no challenges? I can understand that.
Im just suggesting that ccp change this IF they want to fix the thousands of people that stay in npc corps. They do it for a reason you know. They want to avoid war decs and get very rich with no risks. Whats wrong with that? Nothing, if you believe thats the way Eve should work. I think a lot of people want another grinding game in Eve, just look at the heated reactions to this thread.
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Deus Ex'Machina
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2007.05.10 08:44:00 -
[42]
no,
i love my corp
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why would my CEO kick me out of it, are you mad ?
i hope your CEO kicks you, really ...
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Leandro Salazar
The Blackguard Wolves
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Posted - 2007.05.10 08:53:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Jim McGregor
Originally by: Blue Pixie
Therein lies your problem. Let me re-emphasize that... your problem.
Why does your desire to "change this" take precedence over players who do NOT?
Are you going to use real arguments to discuss this topic? I dont have a problem with you stating your opinions, so why are you having a problem with me doing it? This is a discussion. I put my opinions on the table and so do you. Nobody is right or wrong here, its just opinions. Maybe you are wrong, maybe I am. Thats why discussions are worth having in the first place. You learn something.
I realize this is a topic that upset a lot of people, because they want to remain in the npc corp and just grind cash with no risks whatsoever. They have immunity to war decs and also the opportunity to make tons of cash by doing missions in a completely safe environment. Whats not to like if you want a easy game with no challenges? I can understand that.
Im just suggesting that ccp change this IF they want to fix the thousands of people that stay in npc corps. They do it for a reason you know. They want to avoid war decs and get very rich with no risks. Whats wrong with that? Nothing, if you believe thats the way Eve should work. I think a lot of people want another grinding game in Eve, just look at the heated reactions to this thread.
Well Jim, the beauty of EVE is that you CAN chose to get ahead in the game with little risk of being bothered by other players. But also, at the drop of a hat you can choose to go out there, embrace the risk and get ahead faster. EVE leaves you the freedom of choice, and that is what at least I love about it.
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Hugh Ruka
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.05.10 08:54:00 -
[44]
Yes, go for it.
With one addition. If you wardec an NPC holding corp, then the empire customs that the corp belongs to, will attack you on sight (and your corpmembers/alliance members). After all you just wardeced one of their corporations.
That would be balanced.
Originally by: JP Beauregard
The experience with Exodus playtesting has scarred me for life. Those were bug-reports, not feature requests, you numbskulls.... 
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Calprimus
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2007.05.10 09:34:00 -
[45]
Waht if....you can only target/engage:
1 Player only, if he is not in gang
2 Players only, if it is a gang of two.
And so forth.
That means, you cannot have 10 people gang on a single player anymore.
And the gangmates cannot help the member that engaged as well.
In addition, engagement on a ship class system base:
A) Each ship class can engage each other
B) But a BS cannot engage a frig. Only if the frig engage first.
C) and based on that create a sort of ranking system.
Bored at work, btw.....
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Calprimus
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2007.05.10 09:35:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Hugh Ruka
Yes, go for it.
With one addition. If you wardec an NPC holding corp, then the empire customs that the corp belongs to, will attack you on sight (and your corpmembers/alliance members). After all you just wardeced one of their corporations.
That would be balanced.
Hey, thats a great idea.
Seeing the whole Caldary Navy hunting some wannabe pierats/griefers would be priceless.
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Blue Pixie
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Posted - 2007.05.10 10:13:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Jim McGregor
Are you going to use real arguments to discuss this topic?
Are you?
Originally by: Jim McGregor
I realize this is a topic that upset a lot of people, because they want to remain in the npc corp and just grind cash with no risks whatsoever.
So this is an example of a "real" argument? Well done sir!
First of all, I don't know what game you've been playing, but it's my understanding you're at risk every time you undock ł even in high sec space ū even in an NPC corp. Ask a freighter pilot.
And if players in NPC corps are adverse to risk, then what exactly makes you better than them? They don't want you to blow them up. You don't want Concord to blow you up.
Additionally, when has a wardec ever been a guarantee of mutual risk or a fair fight?
You're not suggesting this mechanic is only used by those looking for a challenge, are you? That larger, more experienced corps never declare war on smaller, less experienced (or non-PvP oriented) corps?
We both know that's a load of crap, so please, get off your high horse.
I don't have the luxury of being able to play this game all day. At best, I can only play a few hours a week. I don't have a huge bankroll. I'm not rich, much less "very rich." So if/when I want a little PvP action, I'll gladly go into low sec or 0.0 to find it.
Short of that, yeah, I'll "grind" iskies in the relative safety of Empire. If you're hell-bent on blowing me up, then you can suffer the consequences. I'm not paying $15 USD a month solely to provide the likes of you with content. Got a problem with that? Tough. Go play Counter Strike.
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Immortalis Silens
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Posted - 2007.05.10 10:23:00 -
[48]
Originally by: murder one
Originally by: lusifar
besides the facts that some people DONT want to do pvp. but want to do some mmo without having to fight the other players..
what would you say if you where forced not to do pvp just because i thought it would be a good idea to remove it so people that didnt like it didnt have to see it...
stupid idea
There is a game for that- it's called WoW.
You sir fit into what I call "PVPers without brains". Theres an old quote from oveur floating around somewhere, basically the jist of it is..
PVPer's need industrialists to build them their ships and pewpew toys, blah blah blah. You give us business, we give you toys.
So lets not go nerfing anything mr big strong pvp man.
Delivering the kick to the jaw of society to stop it from drooling on itself like the ignorant slop it is since 1984.
Originally by: CCP Sharkbait
we are screwed.
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Sanzorz
Amarr
EVEfan.dk
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Posted - 2007.05.10 10:28:00 -
[49]
Originally by: murder one
...and into the existing NPC holding corps we have now, but with one difference: all NPC holding corps would be able to be war decced.
This would ensure that any player in Eve could have war declared upon them. Don't like to be in a big NPC corp with dozens of wardecs declared upon it daily? Simply start a one man corp and join it. Presto, you're out of that horrible mess of an NPC corp, but you're still able to be war decced (a good thing).
This removes the issue of players hiding in NPC noob corps for months, if not years. There simply isn't any downside to this idea. Feel free to post complements and vociferous praise and adulation.
That will be all.
What if...I hooked up with your mamma and took her out for dinner?
Seriously! You're ideas are getting more and more silly. Is this game only supposed to be entitled for hardcore players?
Gawd..
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Posted - 2007.05.10 10:36:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Blue Pixie
And murder one: just what is your motivation? Enlighten us.
I can answer that: He's a troll. I admit I hadn't realized this in the no missions thread, but now it's quite clear to me.
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Roshan longshot
Gallente
Ordos Humanitas
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.10 10:44:00 -
[51]
Originally by: murder one
...and into the existing NPC holding corps we have now, but with one difference: all NPC holding corps would be able to be war decced.
This would ensure that any player in Eve could have war declared upon them. Don't like to be in a big NPC corp with dozens of wardecs declared upon it daily? Simply start a one man corp and join it. Presto, you're out of that horrible mess of an NPC corp, but you're still able to be war decced (a good thing).
This removes the issue of players hiding in NPC noob corps for months, if not years. There simply isn't any downside to this idea. Feel free to post complements and vociferous praise and adulation.
That will be all.
Well after the first two lines I knew what this was about. War Decs. Why dont we just do away with the requirment to be in the corp alltogether. If you choose not to associate with ANY corp your tax rate goes to 25% Your refine rate goes down to 75%. And of course you loose local and corp chats. And add a docking fee. That way if sombody wants to stay out of the "War" then they pay the extra for it.
Forceing sombody out of a NPC corp wont work. Hell Forceing sombody to do anything wont work, they PAY to play the game their way.
Make this a choice for them to make, with out twisting their arm.
No corp:
Docking fees.
25% tax rate.
25% Refine loss.
No local.
No corp chat.
Free-form Professions, ensure no limetations on professions. Be a trader, fighter, industialist, researcher, hunter pirate or mixture of them all.
[i]As read from the original box.
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Corpes
Minmatar
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2007.05.10 10:54:00 -
[52]
or may be just removed from any corp and be corpless
or may be you just ask for removing Concord. huh? same brilliant idea as yours.
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Roshan longshot
Gallente
Ordos Humanitas
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.10 11:08:00 -
[53]
If you ever thought about what you are trying to do murder one: These people hideing from war decs are PVE players...CCP's bread and butter. They are what made Eve-online what it is today, not the likes of you or me. Sure I have been around for along time, but I am not a die hard player...rather play fear, C&C3, company of heroes, or haul out Sims2 to see what else I can do with it.
Missions, and the fact that they dont have to join a player corp is what brought them here. I loved the days when 5000k was the record for people on line. Nice four-five hour mining ops in a 0.2 system with no one to bother you.
Free-form Professions, ensure no limetations on professions. Be a trader, fighter, industialist, researcher, hunter pirate or mixture of them all.
[i]As read from the original box.
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Posted - 2007.05.10 12:20:00 -
[54]
Originally by: murder one
I know. Risk averse players will leave, and the influx of new players will not know any different, accept it as normal, and remain, hence improving the game.
there wont BE an influx of new players
you fail to understand what eve has to offer
PVP is better done in FPS games and dare i say it - i wont
but damn you have no idea what makes people play eve
you also fail in any knowledge of upcoming MMO releases as well as the current ones already out
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Caldari
Requiem of Hades
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Posted - 2007.05.10 12:24:00 -
[55]
Worst idea ever!
Please stop thinking how to grief new players, solo players and casual players who love eVe, the best game ever.
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Boomhaur
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.05.10 13:02:00 -
[56]
Let me tell you why I didnt leave the NPC corp yet. (7months old I think my char is now)
1) I hate taking orders from people.
2) I have no schedrule and play when I can, some corps from what I know really dont like this.
3) I'm a smart ass, and will tell people off when they give out orders because of a fake rank.
4) I pirate (occasionly) solo, in my opinion its just more fun that way getting the 1 vs 1 fights. I run missions for isk, and I when I have the corp chat open I help the noobs in the NPC Corp chat if they have a question.
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Shih Yang Tong
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Posted - 2007.05.10 13:18:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Sikozu Prioris
Your ideas are completly moronic. There is no good reason to do this. Many ppl in the npc corporations are there simply because they can DO WHATEVER THEY BLOODY LIKE.
This would be one of the major arguments why people shouldn't be able to stay in NPC-corps forever imo.
Players in playercorps have to think about their actions because they can be wardecced. A player in a NPC-corp can do what pleases him without the risk of any retaliation.
Being in a NPC-corp is like playing Eve in safemode.
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Posted - 2007.05.10 13:19:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Worst idea ever!
Please stop thinking how to grief new players, solo players and casual players who love eVe, the best game ever.
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Laura Baretta
Minmatar
Caelestis Caedes
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Posted - 2007.05.10 13:21:00 -
[59]
We would have even more whine threads from people that somehow managed to get themselves killed in highsec
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Gealbhan
Caldari
The SAS
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Posted - 2007.05.10 13:31:00 -
[60]
*puts away the bag of cookies*
I'm not feeding the Trolls.
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Infinite Improbability Inc
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.05.10 13:37:00 -
[61]
I must agree with Jim! I mean even a 10% tax on NPC corps after the character has reached 3 months, for those of you who want a reason, look at it as protection money for being imune to war decs.
While I agree that EVE is an openended sand box I also think people who sit in an NPC corp for 6 months or more making isk almost risk free does take the ****
Originally by: Rawne Karrde
PVP in EvE is consentual, you agree to it when you login. If you don't like it you're in the wrong game.
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Bistot Kid
The First Thing You'll Ever See
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Posted - 2007.05.10 13:50:00 -
[62]
Yawn, OP. Change the record. You just can't grief anybody you like at will, and it's upsetting you?
To the poster above ... staying in an NPC corp is a licence to print ISK? No access to 0.0. In fact always shot on sight, even worse than NBSI.
I still don't understand why this NPC corps is such a beef for people, apart from the "can't grief everyone when I like" aspect of it.
I don't play enough to be considered a useful part of a corp. I'd probably get kicked after a week in a decently run corp.
You do your thing, I'll do mine, and I'll try not to bump into you while I'm undocking or at a gate, and that's all the interaction I want with your kind.
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Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.05.10 14:04:00 -
[63]
OP
Eve doesn't have a cap relating to its max userbase. The people who would leave after being forced to play Eve the way someone else wants it to be, would not have an effect on the influx of new players.
You want easy prey and after those people have quit, the ones who are left are not the ones you want to have a fight against.
There are some negatives with NPC corps that alts bring into EVE. But it's not the NPC corps that are at fault. Most NPC corp players have very little effect on your life in EVE.
Stop Whining.
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Sinder Ohm
Infinite Improbability Inc
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.05.10 14:09:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Bistot Kid
To the poster above ... staying in an NPC corp is a licence to print ISK? No access to 0.0. In fact always shot on sight, even worse than NBSI.
Yes noob corps are KOS in almost all of 0.0 cos they are used as spies.
Originally by: Bistot Kid
I still don't understand why this NPC corps is such a beef for people, apart from the "can't grief everyone when I like" aspect of it.
Well the main thing I think is the imunity to wardecs.
Originally by: Bistot Kid
I don't play enough to be considered a useful part of a corp. I'd probably get kicked after a week in a decently run corp.
In many (decent) corps RL does come first this i can say from experience.
Originally by: Bistot Kid
You do your thing, I'll do mine, and I'll try not to bump into you while I'm undocking or at a gate, and that's all the interaction I want with your kind.
My kind  Im actualy a nice guy its just noob corps are kos in 0.0
Originally by: Rawne Karrde
PVP in EvE is consentual, you agree to it when you login. If you don't like it you're in the wrong game.
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Posted - 2007.05.10 14:17:00 -
[65]
Originally by: Cpt Fina
Players in playercorps have to think about their actions because they can be wardecced. A player in a NPC-corp can do what pleases him without the risk of any retaliation.
Being in a NPC-corp is like playing Eve in safemode.
Because the option to cherry pick who you wardec, in the relative safety of Empire, without any security penalties or reprisals from Concord isn't safemode?
Nevermind that you can do anything you please to a member of an NPC corp outside of Empire, without risk of retaliation.
Originally by: Sinder Ohm
I must agree with Jim! I mean even a 10% tax on NPC corps after the character has reached 3 months, for those of you who want a reason, look at it as protection money for being imune to war decs.
And by that same token, maybe you should be charged an additional 10% tax every time you enter Empire, as protection money for keeping NPC corps from wardec'ing YOU.
Originally by: Sinder Ohm
Well the main thing I think is the imunity to wardecs.
Hello? McFly? It's also the main thing people forgo all the BENEFITS of being in a player corp for.
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Bistot Kid
The First Thing You'll Ever See
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Posted - 2007.05.10 14:22:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Sinder Ohm
My kind Im actualy a nice guy its just noob corps are kos in 0.0
Sorry mate, most of my post was directed at the OP. "Your kind" wasn't aimed at you.
I understand the "noob corps spy" thing and have no problem with it, though if I were going to create a spy I'd knock up a 1 man (or 3 man using all my account alts) corp to do so.
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The First Thing You'll Ever See
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Posted - 2007.05.10 14:24:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Blue Pixie
Hello? McFly?
Blue Pixie, I put on my clairvoyant hat and through the Eve forum tea leaves deduce you are 35 years or more in age.
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Minmatar
Guardians of the Dawn
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.05.10 14:24:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Bistot Kid
Yawn, OP. Change the record. You just can't grief anybody you like at will, and it's upsetting you?
To the poster above ... staying in an NPC corp is a licence to print ISK? No access to 0.0. In fact always shot on sight, even worse than NBSI.
I still don't understand why this NPC corps is such a beef for people, apart from the "can't grief everyone when I like" aspect of it.
I don't play enough to be considered a useful part of a corp. I'd probably get kicked after a week in a decently run corp.
You do your thing, I'll do mine, and I'll try not to bump into you while I'm undocking or at a gate, and that's all the interaction I want with your kind.
this is valid the other way around also. You can have griefer (as you like to call, they are just pirates or mercs) that stay on NPC corps and cannot be hunted in empire by people thatw ant to get rid of them!
I say yes, 10% tax on NPC corp should be mandatory, or even better force them to get out of the corp.
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Posted - 2007.05.10 14:29:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Gealbhan
*puts away the bag of cookies*
I'm not feeding the Trolls.
*grabs cookies and throws them under the bridge*
/end thread
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Posted - 2007.05.10 14:40:00 -
[70]
Who cares about the nuubs in nuub corps. Let 'em stay.
Except!
Nuub corp limitations:
NO mining barges
NO freighters
NO skills above rank 4 trainable.
Level 1 and 2 agents only (under the current agent system)
NPC corps
NO mining barges
NO freighters
(these skills can be trained, however)
Level 1-3 agents only.
Creation costs for making corps (per 30 days)
First corp: 1 mil
Second: 10 mil
Third: 20mil
double cost each time after third.
How to prevent corp hopping, however, will be very difficult.
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Leandro Salazar
The Blackguard Wolves
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Posted - 2007.05.10 14:42:00 -
[71]
Originally by: Kagura Nikon
this is valid the other way around also. You can have griefer (as you like to call, they are just pirates or mercs) that stay on NPC corps and cannot be hunted in empire by people thatw ant to get rid of them!
Exactly, and does any carebear whine about that? No, because it is fine this way around just like it is fine the other way round.
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Kagura Nikon
Minmatar
Guardians of the Dawn
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.05.10 14:59:00 -
[72]
No its not fine! If you are a corp that live in low sec you can be suffering a lot in hands of such groups. And when you contract mercenaries to get rid of them, they just hide in empire and you cannot war dec them.
Eve center concept is about corps. Carebears empire huggers have all the right to exista as long as this do not prejudice the ones that are playing the game as it was made to be played.
Maybe increase drastically the results of attacking someone in low sec if you are in an NPC corp (losing LOTS of security and some standing (wich repectable public corporation would liek to be involved with someone that kills people?)). That could possible solve part of the problem.
If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough |
Sian Tairnesh
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.05.10 15:05:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Kagura Nikon
Eve center concept is about corps. Carebears empire huggers have all the right to exista as long as this do not prejudice the ones that are playing the game as it was made to be played.
And you know all intentions the developers had, because...? Fact is: It's possible to stay in an NPC corp for as long as one likes. It was made like this by the developers. In case you don't know: These are the people who made the game the way they wanted it to be.
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Bistot Kid
The First Thing You'll Ever See
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Posted - 2007.05.10 15:06:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Kagura Nikon
Maybe increase drastically the results of attacking someone in low sec if you are in an NPC corp (losing LOTS of security and some standing (wich repectable public corporation would liek to be involved with someone that kills people?)). That could possible solve part of the problem.
You've come up with one of the most sensible solutions there. If people are using NPC corps to hit people in 0.4 and below, then run to mummy concord when retribution is called for, that's not on.
I'd even be inclined to agree with an instant -5.0 sec status for initiating combat resulting in a kill for NPC corp members if that would make "risk vs reward" more balanced.
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Kagura Nikon
Minmatar
Guardians of the Dawn
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.05.10 15:24:00 -
[75]
Originally by: Sian Tairnesh
Originally by: Kagura Nikon
Eve center concept is about corps. Carebears empire huggers have all the right to exista as long as this do not prejudice the ones that are playing the game as it was made to be played.
And you know all intentions the developers had, because...? Fact is: It's possible to stay in an NPC corp for as long as one likes. It was made like this by the developers. In case you don't know: These are the people who made the game the way they wanted it to be.
because developers stated them in forum several times?
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Thesas
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2007.05.10 15:24:00 -
[76]
Originally by: murder one
Originally by: Kolwrath
Originally by: murder one
...and into the existing NPC holding corps we have now, but with one difference: all NPC holding corps would be able to be war decced.
This would ensure that any player in Eve could have war declared upon them. Don't like to be in a big NPC corp with dozens of wardecs declared upon it daily? Simply start a one man corp and join it. Presto, you're out of that horrible mess of an NPC corp, but you're still able to be war decced (a good thing).
This removes the issue of players hiding in NPC noob corps for months, if not years. There simply isn't any downside to this idea. Feel free to post complements and vociferous praise and adulation.
That will be all.
Whenever this sort of post comes up people always seem to over look the fact that people will just disband and reform new corps. Over and Over and over. So yeah your idea would not fix anything except anoy people.
So what. At least people wouldn't be hiding in noob corps ffs.
No.. they will be playing other games.
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Thufir Hawats
Minmatar
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2007.05.10 15:27:00 -
[77]
Don't waste your time to reply to this troll, people :)
It's the same guy who proposed to remove missions alltogether if you remember.
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Kagura Nikon
Minmatar
Guardians of the Dawn
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.05.10 15:29:00 -
[78]
Originally by: Bistot Kid
Originally by: Kagura Nikon
Maybe increase drastically the results of attacking someone in low sec if you are in an NPC corp (losing LOTS of security and some standing (wich repectable public corporation would liek to be involved with someone that kills people?)). That could possible solve part of the problem.
You've come up with one of the most sensible solutions there. If people are using NPC corps to hit people in 0.4 and below, then run to mummy concord when retribution is called for, that's not on.
I'd even be inclined to agree with an instant -5.0 sec status for initiating combat resulting in a kill for NPC corp members if that would make "risk vs reward" more balanced.
I also think that a few thing extra shoudl be done. For example a few restrictions on what you can do based in your corp. Why in hell would a noop corp accept that one of its member is buying a Titan BPO? That is obviously not their businnes. And this is done (just and exagerated example) to keep safe from being intercepted in empire. Capital BPO and Skill books should on my view be restricted to members of non NPC corps. And by restricted I mean work as ilegal items, so you cannot transport them with " empire alts"
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Curzon Dax
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.05.10 15:32:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Sikozu Prioris
Your ideas are completly moronic. There is no good reason to do this. Many ppl in the npc corporations are there simply because they can DO WHATEVER THEY BLOODY LIKE.
Eve is not about forcing ppl what to do, its a free form game where you can do what you like.
Your idea of npc holding corps is a completly wrong solution. Why? one because everyone will leave and make there own corps, just to reform into one with a slightly different name everytime they get decced.
And secondly since the npc corps are part of one of the empire factions (or basically a big alliance compared to a player alliance) YOU WOULD HAVE TO WAR DEC THE GALLENTE FEDERATION, THE AMMAR EMPIRE, CALDARI STATE or MINMATAR REPUBLIC.
This would cost in the region of billions to do (a week) and if you where in their space you would constantly be attacked BY ALL THE SENTRY GUNS, THE WHOLE OF THEIR NAVY IN EVERY SYSTEM AND WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO DOCK AT ANY OF THEIR STATIONS.
Ah...so true.
The reason that people in NPC corps cannot post in COAD is because COAD is reserved for people representing their corps and alliances. Such representation from an NPC faction is reserved for the president/leader of each faction, and the player members of those factions hold no say in faction politics. So said a GM to me once about why I couldn't post even if I wasn't an alt.
To this end, it would make sense to allow wardecs of NPC holding corps. You get to wardec me, but all Caldari space is off limits to you, Caldari State and Caldari Navy set their standing to you at -10.0, you now enter Jita on pain of death from faction armadas, and I can sit in a shuttle on a gate waiting for you to come kill me and die.
Balance, remember?
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Kagura Nikon
Minmatar
Guardians of the Dawn
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.05.10 15:54:00 -
[80]
Originally by: Curzon Dax
Originally by: Sikozu Prioris
Your ideas are completly moronic. There is no good reason to do this. Many ppl in the npc corporations are there simply because they can DO WHATEVER THEY BLOODY LIKE.
Eve is not about forcing ppl what to do, its a free form game where you can do what you like.
Your idea of npc holding corps is a completly wrong solution. Why? one because everyone will leave and make there own corps, just to reform into one with a slightly different name everytime they get decced.
And secondly since the npc corps are part of one of the empire factions (or basically a big alliance compared to a player alliance) YOU WOULD HAVE TO WAR DEC THE GALLENTE FEDERATION, THE AMMAR EMPIRE, CALDARI STATE or MINMATAR REPUBLIC.
This would cost in the region of billions to do (a week) and if you where in their space you would constantly be attacked BY ALL THE SENTRY GUNS, THE WHOLE OF THEIR NAVY IN EVERY SYSTEM AND WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO DOCK AT ANY OF THEIR STATIONS.
Ah...so true.
The reason that people in NPC corps cannot post in COAD is because COAD is reserved for people representing their corps and alliances. Such representation from an NPC faction is reserved for the president/leader of each faction, and the player members of those factions hold no say in faction politics. So said a GM to me once about why I couldn't post even if I wasn't an alt.
To this end, it would make sense to allow wardecs of NPC holding corps. You get to wardec me, but all Caldari space is off limits to you, Caldari State and Caldari Navy set their standing to you at -10.0, you now enter Jita on pain of death from faction armadas, and I can sit in a shuttle on a gate waiting for you to come kill me and die.
Balance, remember?
I think that would be perfeclty fine. Can war dec NPC corps but you get -10 to their empire. (not concord, bgut tehir NAVY)
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Curzon Dax
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.05.10 16:07:00 -
[81]
Edited by: Curzon Dax on 10/05/2007 16:03:57
Indeed. I work for the Caldari State. I've had a long and prosperous relationship with them, and my standing with them is almost 9.0. I should think that if someone were to wardec the Caldari State for the purpose of killing me or my brethren, they would face harsh reprisal from my employers.
No docking in Caldari Space, KOS to faction armadas.., -10.0 to the faction and all member corporations, and the wardeccing corporation should have all players be KOS in that faction's space. IE, you wardec my NPC corp, and you are flashy red to ANYONE in their faction space.
After all, you're an enemy of the state now, and the state wants you eradicated.
*EDIT* Isn't it terrible when the carebears you wish to persecute fight back with logic?
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Thesas
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2007.05.10 16:43:00 -
[82]
LetĘs see now..
You can already steal our ore, blow us up at your leisure, gank our best ships, blast us when we enter low sec before we even see low sec, and essentially herd us like rats anyplace you choose. Now you want to declare war on us in NPC corps before we have the basic skills learnedą
Do sign me up for that little gem of an idea.
This will certainly go far in boosting subscriptions.. in other games.
Try this idea.. leave the noobs alone and one day they will come looking for you.
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Sian Tairnesh
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.05.10 16:54:00 -
[83]
Originally by: Kagura Nikon
Originally by: Sian Tairnesh
Originally by: Kagura Nikon
Eve center concept is about corps. Carebears empire huggers have all the right to exista as long as this do not prejudice the ones that are playing the game as it was made to be played.
And you know all intentions the developers had, because...? Fact is: It's possible to stay in an NPC corp for as long as one likes. It was made like this by the developers. In case you don't know: These are the people who made the game the way they wanted it to be.
because developers stated them in forum several times?
Please show me the post where the developers say that they don't want people in noob corporations...
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Vantoth
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.05.10 17:06:00 -
[84]
I have been playing off and on for a bit over 5 months. I did join a corp early on, and soon after I joined we were war decced. I lost almost everything I owned and so did the corp because we were smaller and could not outnumber the corp that WD'D us. I became frustrated because there was no way for me to gain the ISK I needed to keep buying ships and gear just to play the game. SO at that time I set a long skill and quit because there was no way for me to play the game in any enjoyable fashion.
After a few months I decided to re-activate my account and try again. I log in and find the Corp I had originally joined had disbanded. Why? I am betting that is was from the war dec and non stop griefing.
Since I was shifted back into an NPC corp I have re-established my self. I have several ships from a Retriever to a Brutix plus several in between. Something I NEVER could have done while being war decced. I have lost a few ships since coming back, because I went ratting and Mining in Low sec. But I had enough resources that it did not hurt nearly as bad as the first time I played.
I have been looking into joing a Player run corp. But the problem is I have just over 1 million SP. But most of the player run corps you so badley want me to join, have a requirment of 5 million sp or more. So it will be me having to create my own one man corp and start recruiting. Can my Dinky lil' corp move out to 0.0 where you want me? No i would never survive out there. Oh wait, I can stay in High Sec and be war decced by some other larger, bored to hell, I wanna grief some smaller corp, corperation and yet again lose everything I have worked towards in this game.
What will happen if I say anything on the forum about it, I will get flamed by the great unwashed PvP hordes and told to go play some Carebear game if I can't take it. But golly gee the OP says that since I have been playing the game for 5 or 6 months I should have to go to a corp so he and his fellows can War Dec me and kill me in High Sec space, because apparently he can't survive in Low sec/0.0 space and has to come hunting in high sec.
I would gladly work for a corp that will not dictate to me how I am to play. If they need me for a mining op, sure, if they need me for a combat Op that's fine too. But tell me what I have to learn as far as skills go, or how long/when I need to play, then screw that. I PAY to play this game. The direction my character goes is up to me, not some high handed CEO.
I don't mind losing a ship now and then, heck it adds excitment when I am fighting for my in game life. But to be repeatedly blown up/podded and harassed so I cannot even leave a station, just so someone else can get thier jollies, screw that too. If you force Players to do something they do not want to do or make the game into a grief fest you will do nothing but cause the player base to dwindle to the point that CCP cannot afford to keep the game going.
I do not mind PvP, I don't want to do it every time I log in, but by forcing me into a situation where I will constantley be hunted and have no chance to get ahead in the game I and others will indeed quit.
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Kagura Nikon
Minmatar
Guardians of the Dawn
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.05.10 17:18:00 -
[85]
And you will not get PVP every time. I live in 0.0 and I am focused in PVP andf I can only get a fight 3 4 times per week. If you do not want to get a fight youc an live in 0.0 and be force to fight about once per month.
99% of carebears have really zero idea of how things really are.
And if anyone think PVPers would be scared on being KOS in aan empire ... lol. Some would love it! Do you really think a caldari NPC gate NAVY group is match to a 5 man player PVP gang?
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Kagura Nikon
Minmatar
Guardians of the Dawn
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.05.10 17:19:00 -
[86]
Originally by: Sian Tairnesh
Originally by: Kagura Nikon
Originally by: Sian Tairnesh
Originally by: Kagura Nikon
Eve center concept is about corps. Carebears empire huggers have all the right to exista as long as this do not prejudice the ones that are playing the game as it was made to be played.
And you know all intentions the developers had, because...? Fact is: It's possible to stay in an NPC corp for as long as one likes. It was made like this by the developers. In case you don't know: These are the people who made the game the way they wanted it to be.
because developers stated them in forum several times?
Please show me the post where the developers say that they don't want people in noob corporations...
there is no way to discuss with people that distort others words to put how they want to be. Therefore I will promplty ignore you from now once sine you don deserve attention when you don't discuss as an adult.
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Anaalys Fluuterby
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.05.10 20:13:00 -
[87]
Originally by: Kagura Nikon
there is no way to discuss with people that distort others words to put how they want to be. Therefore I will promplty ignore you from now once sine you don deserve attention when you don't discuss as an adult.
So......
You don't have a link?
Strange, and here Keiron said not 3 weeks ago that "PvP/PvE is not something appeals to all players". In context he said that no one was going to be forced to participate in either activity.....
Want me to dig it up for you? It was in my signature until yesterday, I'm sure I can find it again.
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Sian Tairnesh
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.05.11 08:50:00 -
[88]
Originally by: Kagura Nikon
there is no way to discuss with people that distort others words to put how they want to be. Therefore I will promplty ignore you from now once sine you don deserve attention when you don't discuss as an adult.
I'm sorry, but I thought this discussion was about people staying in a noob corporation and other people having a problem with that.
Ignoring me when you run out of arguments isn't really mature, by the way.
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qilin
S.A.S
Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2007.05.11 10:01:00 -
[89]
Edited by: qilin on 11/05/2007 09:59:19
utterly stupid idea, launching new players into pvp from the word go would make it inaccessable to new players, how can someone learn about the game if they are at risk of being shot at while doing the tutorial. people have a right to choose if they want to pvp, if they want to they will join a non-noob corp, if they wanna play in a noob corp thats their choice. there is no issue with ppl hiding in noob corps, plenty of other ppl to shoot at tbh.
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Tonkin
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.05.11 10:12:00 -
[90]
or add personal war decs make things easyier, i got a few peeps that i would love to kill hehehe, peeps i've flown with
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Rez Valintine
Caldari
ToXiC.
Coalition of Carebear Killers
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Posted - 2007.05.11 10:29:00 -
[91]
Originally by: murder one
...and into the existing NPC holding corps we have now, but with one difference: all NPC holding corps would be able to be war decced.
This would ensure that any player in Eve could have war declared upon them. Don't like to be in a big NPC corp with dozens of wardecs declared upon it daily? Simply start a one man corp and join it. Presto, you're out of that horrible mess of an NPC corp, but you're still able to be war decced (a good thing).
This removes the issue of players hiding in NPC noob corps for months, if not years. There simply isn't any downside to this idea. Feel free to post complements and vociferous praise and adulation.
That will be all.
Booh ******* hoo.
Real men / women pvp in 0.0.
Grow a pair.
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Radioactive Babe
Red Frost
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Posted - 2007.05.11 10:29:00 -
[92]
I am waiting for the OP to start a thread asking "why cant I kill all 1 day old players with impunity, its a pvpgame"
Originally by: Kagura Nikon
99% of carebears have really zero idea of how things really are.
I would go so far as to say that 90%+ of 'pvpers' are just gankbears and only hunt in packs because they suck
Originally by: Kagura Nikon
And if anyone think PVPers would be scared on being KOS in aan empire ... lol. Some would love it! Do you really think a caldari NPC gate NAVY group is match to a 5 man player PVP gang?
Indeed, faction navies are pretty rubbish, and would be easy meat for a gang (or even a solo player) ... They would need to be beefed up significantly (not as much as concord) so that they actually represent a threat and of course in numbers proportional to the pvp gang size |
Kagura Nikon
Minmatar
Guardians of the Dawn
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.05.11 10:31:00 -
[93]
Originally by: Anaalys Fluuterby
Originally by: Kagura Nikon
there is no way to discuss with people that distort others words to put how they want to be. Therefore I will promplty ignore you from now once sine you don deserve attention when you don't discuss as an adult.
So......
You don't have a link?
Strange, and here Keiron said not 3 weeks ago that "PvP/PvE is not something appeals to all players". In context he said that no one was going to be forced to participate in either activity.....
Want me to dig it up for you? It was in my signature until yesterday, I'm sure I can find it again.
I never said that CCp dont want people to stay in an NPC corp.. you put this words on my mouth! I've said CCP made a game with a focus focus is different form exclusivisty!!! If you can't understand that refrain from answering). And several times since 2003 it has been described as a GROUP game where players evolve to form and participate of own corps on a game environment predominantly run by players. I don t have links, since I don keep links of forums or the last 4 years (and yes altough this character is <1 year old , I had characters since 2003).
People that distort sentences to transform FOCUS in exclusivity are called biased fanatics with narrow view!
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Sinder Ohm
Infinite Improbability Inc
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.05.11 10:37:00 -
[94]
Originally by: Tonkin
or add personal war decs make things easyier, i got a few peeps that i would love to kill hehehe, peeps i've flown with
Yes Please ! If we could get that it would be fantastic.
Originally by: Rawne Karrde
PVP in EvE is consentual, you agree to it when you login. If you don't like it you're in the wrong game.
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Sian Tairnesh
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.05.11 10:49:00 -
[95]
Edited by: Sian Tairnesh on 11/05/2007 10:45:02
@Kagura Nikon: Since this thread revolves around NPC corps and not the group play your statement was out of place. Please don't be surprised if somebody - like me - reads it in the context of the thread it was posted in.
You wrote that EVE is centered around corporations. I did never question that. Noob corps are corps too. But you went on and said that Empire-hugging carebears might prejudice the people who play the game the way it was meant to be played.
Now, this can mean two things. First: Empire-hugging is not the way the game is meant to be played. I'd like to see proof that a dev said that. Second: In the context of this thread it means that staying in a noob corp is not the way the game was meant to be played. I'd like to see proof for this too.
Maybe you meant to say that attackig people and then hiding in Empire is not the way the game was meant to be played. But then that has got nothing to do with carebears, because carebears don't attack other people.
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Cipher7
Keepers of the Holy Bagel
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.11 11:05:00 -
[96]
Originally by: murder one
Originally by: lusifar
besides the facts that some people DONT want to do pvp. but want to do some mmo without having to fight the other players..
what would you say if you where forced not to do pvp just because i thought it would be a good idea to remove it so people that didnt like it didnt have to see it...
stupid idea
There is a game for that- it's called WoW.
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Cipher7
Keepers of the Holy Bagel
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.11 11:06:00 -
[97]
Originally by: murder one
There is a game for that- it's called WoW.
Just one problem with that.
You don't speak for CCP.
They want carebears to play Eve.
They want them to mine, and trade and haul ammo, so people like you and me can buy ships and ammo where its convenient.
Like it or not, carebears have a place in Eve.
They should not be %100 safe, there should be %1 danger in highsec just to spice things up, but no more than minimal danger.
There should not be roving gangs in highsec preying on carebears willy nilly, it should be a rare thing, because economy and industry is a huge part of what makes Eve Eve.
As far as hiding in an NPC corp, you can suicide anybody so there is no way to hide.
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