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Cern Audeles
Buffer zone Grumps
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Posted - 2017.05.01 00:50:57 -
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Hi,
I love this game but for one thing. The wars.
I am in a corp, it's new few veterans we mine explore do missions, but we keep having wars declared against us. They want paying up to a billion ISK to cancelled the wars, we lost half a bill in ships today.
So, I am downgrading to alpha, play casual, I love this game, but, i get a ship nice then get jumped by 4 ppl at one and destroyed, its not fun and even with insurance, a loss  |
Roci Nantes
Brand Newbros
Test Alliance Please Ignore
49
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Posted - 2017.05.01 01:09:41 -
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Find a pocket that is out of the way so you are less of a target. Have toons in npc corp you can mission/haul with. They can't wardec you that way. You just keep one toon in the corp and wait for the dec to end then back to business. They will stop issuing war decs if they have no targets.
If you fly in and out of major hubs in blingy ships, your going to attract some war decs. Then when you lose some nice ships the other groups will dec you to get in on the action. |
Rawketsled
Generic Corp Name
477
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Posted - 2017.05.01 02:45:21 -
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The corp you are in is not helping you. As a new player, you need guidance on how to best do things. Someone to hold your hand for a little bit.
Your CEO isn't on your corp's killboard. For kills or losses. They're clearly not an active player. They're not there for you when you need them the most. Why should you stick around?
Go find a new corp. They must, upfront, before you join, tell you exactly how they help now players. Them saying they help isn't enough. You need some evidence to back that up. |
Shallanna Yassavi
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
510
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Posted - 2017.05.01 02:46:29 -
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There's a dirty little secret about wars the mercs don't want you to know: you don't have to fight them. You can drop to an NPC corp or move to a sister corp, and suddenly the war doesn't help them kill you.
The game also doesn't really give you any reason to fight them. If they decide you're an actual threat, they'll just dock up whenever you muster a fleet. They don't have to leave any assets in space for you to bash (unless you find their holding corp and wardec that, which has happened).
A signature :o
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Lulu Lunette
Savage Moon Society
1567
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Posted - 2017.05.01 03:49:12 -
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You guys can all drop to an NPC corporation and still have fun with the casual stuff in highsec without all the war troubles. It's really easy to make a custom chat channel you can all share too.
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Sitting Bull Lakota
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
304
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Posted - 2017.05.01 05:56:45 -
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Cern Audeles wrote:Hi, I love this game but for one thing. The wars. I am in a corp, it's new few veterans we mine explore do missions, but we keep having wars declared against us. They want paying up to a billion ISK to cancelled the wars, we lost half a bill in ships today. So, I am downgrading to alpha, play casual, I love this game, but, i get a ship nice then get jumped by 4 ppl at one and destroyed, its not fun and even with insurance, a loss Dying to wardecs in highsec means that you're not paying attention and your overview is default (read: useless).
Here, read this: Feyd's Bumfinger Execution and Prevention Pack: Surviving Wardecs
The only thing that's dated is the part about watchlisting. Now no one knows if you're online or not unless they're in system with you. |
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
CODE.
3959
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Posted - 2017.05.01 06:18:35 -
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Join a corp who can handle wardecs. The weak must be eliminated
the Code ALWAYS wins
Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
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Chopper Rollins
Far Beyond Triggered
1848
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Posted - 2017.05.01 06:57:24 -
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Cern Audeles wrote:Hi, ... So, I am downgrading to alpha, play casual, I love this game, but,...
This is not the answer.
Hisec wars can be avoided, you sub again and you do your thing and you avoid the big, eat the little.
Soon you will shed your tail, grow legs and emerge from hisec as a mighty belching frog.
Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
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Yourmoney Mywallet
Jita Institute of Applied Monetary Manipulation
1354
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Posted - 2017.05.01 07:15:41 -
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/me puts pencil to tip of tongue...
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"Buffer... zone... Grumps." Just jotting that down for, uh... reference? Research? Yeah, research, that's it. |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari
End of Life
47675
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Posted - 2017.05.01 07:23:14 -
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If you are a group of vets, you should know how to manage wars. It isn't difficult to remain active. |
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Magnus Jax
7
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Posted - 2017.05.01 07:47:41 -
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- Just because someone has played for a long time doesn't mean he knows what he's doing
- Just because someone knows what he's doing doesn't mean he's willing & capable of teaching newbies properly
- Just because a corp states to be newbie friendly doesn't mean it is
- Just because people think that "newbie friendly" means "allowing them to join" doesn't mean that's the right way to look at it
- Just because you want to be "left alone to do your own thing" doesn't mean EVE will or should give you that option
- Just because other MMO's do allow for this "safe space" doesn't mean EVE should have or get this
- Just because you're used to not have to put in active effort to do well in any of the other MMO's doesn't mean the same approach will work in EVE
EVE is not for everyone and we all had to go through the same situation as you and we all had 2 choices: fight or flight.
- fighting doesn't necessarily mean actually fighting the wardeccers (although if done right you will learn a lot, have a fun time and might even make new friends). It's mostly is about "dealing with it" in an active, intelligent and informed way. It really isn't very difficult to deal with wardecs and do just fine, even as a relative newbie. Another part of this is realising that the corp you're in apparently doesn't support you in this and that it's probably best to find a group that sucks a bit less.
- flight means giving up and quitting EVE. Many of us have rage quit at some point for whatever reason, many of us came back because in the end there's nothing like EVE. |
Keno Skir
1577
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Posted - 2017.05.01 09:33:52 -
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Fairly sure this is a troll. But on the offchance it's not, OP wardecs are easy to avoid even for a new player. Try a few solutions before you give up.
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Percy Cuscaden
Easy Company
1
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Posted - 2017.05.01 10:56:46 -
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I have a similar problem, I am an on and off player. I have my own Corp which only has two active players, me and one other chap. I have been in my Corp for over 13 years. We are getting random war decs from "RIOT" and " I Know Right " alliances.
I am now thinking of quitting my own corp just so I do not have to deal with war decs which I have 0 interest in. My choices are to logoff for a week or quit to an NPC corp so I can avoid this nonsense where Alliances with hundreds of players can pick on a corp with two active players.
Call me a care bear, whatever you want etc., I deal with the gankers etc., but war decs from alliances with hundreds of players against a two man active corp I have no interest in dealing with.
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Aedaxus
Digital Zone Corp
41
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Posted - 2017.05.01 11:21:11 -
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Sorry to hear you unsubbed. I hope one day the game environment will be better for you. Hang in there.
Just try and find a nice place for your main character(s) where they can play. Some nice high sec area. Have 1 or 2 alts on other places set up with minimal skills for missioning and adventuring.
Now if for some reason you or one fo your friends TRIGGERS your closeby ganksquad and you get a unilateral wardec, ccp on purpose does not explain your enemy has to pay a weekly fee for it. Thus time is your advantage. So, make sure they don't get a kill in, you have 24 hours after the declaration to log onto your alts and play with them. As long as you avoid them they will be forced to stop the war of attrition you just won. They have no loot, no killboard to brag about, no nothing. You can even use those alts to troll them and do just like they do as this is what high sec PVP is all about.
99.99% of the EVE Online PVP is abusing game mechanics and CCP promotes this. Also stay subbed, the new system has to be successfull for CCP to sell the IP.
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
62110
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Posted - 2017.05.01 11:51:35 -
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Percy Cuscaden wrote:I have a similar problem, I am an on and off player. I have my own Corp which only has two active players, me and one other chap. I have been in my Corp for over 13 years. We are getting random war decs from "RIOT" and " I Know Right " alliances.
I am now thinking of quitting my own corp just so I do not have to deal with war decs which I have 0 interest in. My choices are to logoff for a week or quit to an NPC corp so I can avoid this nonsense where Alliances with hundreds of players can pick on a corp with two active players.
Call me a care bear, whatever you want etc., I deal with the gankers etc., but war decs from alliances with hundreds of players against a two man active corp, I have no interest in dealing with.
Yeah, that situation suck's due to the WarDec game mechanic being abused and exploited just for lol's.
Probably a good idea to create an alt character, train up the necessary skills and assign it as Corp CEO. Then you can use your main to continue playing and just leave Corp during WarDec and still play the game without having to deal with all the BS.
DMC
'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari
End of Life
47678
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Posted - 2017.05.01 12:40:02 -
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Percy Cuscaden wrote:I have a similar problem, I am an on and off player. I have my own Corp which only has two active players, me and one other chap. I have been in my Corp for over 13 years. We are getting random war decs from "RIOT" and " I Know Right " alliances.
Since the changes to the watchlist mechanics, I have noticed much more that we get wardecced whenever someone from our corp visits a trade hub in an industrial.
With a high frequency, if someone goes to a trade hub in a T1 hauler or freighter, a wardec comes a few minutes later.
So, in addition to the suggestion of DMC above, it's also worth looking at using a alt in NPC Corps to visit trade hubs anytime you need and then use courier contracts to have stuff delivered to you. That way, there is no link to you from your alt and no Corp to wardec because the alt is in an NPC corp.
However, we don't mission or do any PVE in highsec at all. So I am not sure that approach would work well if you run missions from popular mission agents. |
Jenn aSide
shinigami miners
ChaosTheory.
15753
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Posted - 2017.05.01 12:50:58 -
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Ah, high sec war dec complaint thread # 4,612,491, right on time.
And If I dare suggest people try the other 84.5% of new Eden space that isn't high sec (while at the same time supposedly being SAFER THAN HIGH SEC according to just about everyone in high sec), well that's just wrong, ain't it... |
Black Pedro
Yammerschooner
3399
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Posted - 2017.05.01 13:43:12 -
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Percy Cuscaden wrote:I am now thinking of quitting my own corp just so I do not have to deal with war decs which I have 0 interest in. My choices are to logoff for a week or quit to an NPC corp so I can avoid this nonsense where Alliances with hundreds of players can pick on a corp with two active players.
Call me a care bear, whatever you want etc., I deal with the gankers etc., but war decs from alliances with hundreds of players against a two man active corp, I have no interest in dealing with. Dropping to the NPC is the intended solution for you to exit a war you to not want to participate in. Just do so and you can carry on playing the game as you choose.
I just don't get the petulant attitude here. If you don't want to deal with wars, stay in the NPC corp. Why do you act like this is a big deal or a personal affront to you? If you are unable or unwilling to defend your corp, you should not have one. What possible use can a corporation have for you and two people? Are you just upset over a trifling amount of tax? Just set up a shared chat channel with your friends and play the game war-free, or if you really must have your tax-evasion shell corp, hop back and forth as the wars come and go.
Corporations are the competitive unit of this game and are intended to mean something. I do think there should be a non-competitive alternative corporation or social structure, but this weekly whining from players who don't even need the corporation structure to play the game in highsec solo or with a few friends is tiresome. CCP has always provided a way for wars to go away, or to not even happen in the first place and it works just fine: the NPC corp.
There is a line in the sand here. Be part of a player corporation who is in direct competition with all the other corporations in New Eden with all the benefits and responsibilities that entails, or sit out of this competition in the NPC corp and do your thing in more safety, but with slightly less reward. You have to choose. You cannot have your cake and eat it too.
This game is about tradeoffs. Please stop complaining that you have to make choices.
The 8 Golden Rules of Eve
Why Do They Gank?
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Josef Djugashvilis
3551
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Posted - 2017.05.01 14:57:33 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:Join a corp who can handle wardecs. The weak must be eliminated
I take it you are going to leave CODE then.
How did the Alliance Tournament go for you guys a couple of years ago?
This is not a signature.
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Percy Cuscaden
Easy Company
5
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Posted - 2017.05.01 15:31:20 -
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Black Pedro wrote:
This game is about tradeoffs. Please stop complaining that you have to make choices.
I have been in my 13 year old corp which has RL friends who come back from time to time. This has not been a problem before. We had one spate of random war decs from the Marmite Collective and others in June last year. Now in one month I get two.
How many people have you come across that are in their corp after 13 years? I need to leave now because some alliance wants to randomly wardec me every time they feel bored and need new targets (all 2 of us)?
I see no fun in a mechanic which allows full alliances to war dec small corps.
http://imgur.com/a/KaVqC
This is the first time I have "whined" about this issue. This corp was created 13 years ago for friends to stay in touch whenever they came back to the game. Like you note, it is high time CCP gave us a non-competitive structure which facilitates us staying in touch with our friends without having to sit in a structure which leaves us open to being war decced against our will when some other group of players feels bored.
Apologies for being "petulant" after 13 years in my corp. I have been quite happy with my cake until now.
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
CODE.
3965
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Posted - 2017.05.01 16:23:55 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:Join a corp who can handle wardecs. The weak must be eliminated I take it you are going to leave CODE then. How did the Alliance Tournament go for you guys a couple of years ago?
We won, why? Are you still upset about it?
the Code ALWAYS wins
Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
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Zanar Skwigelf
Boa Innovations
Brothers of Tangra
169
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Posted - 2017.05.01 18:07:39 -
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Percy Cuscaden wrote:I have been in my 13 year old corp which has RL friends who come back from time to time. This has not been a problem before. We had one spate of random war decs from the Marmite Collective and others in June last year. Now in one month I get two. How many people have you come across that are in their corp after 13 years? I need to leave now because some alliance wants to randomly wardec me every time they feel bored and need new targets (all 2 of us)? I see no fun in a mechanic which allows full alliances to war dec small corps. http://imgur.com/a/KaVqC
This is the first time I have "whined" about this issue. This corp was created 13 years ago for friends to stay in touch whenever they came back to the game. Like you note, it is high time CCP gave us a non-competitive structure which facilitates us staying in touch with our friends without having to sit in a structure which leaves us open to being war decced against our will when some other group of players feels bored. Apologies for being "petulant" after 13 years in my corp. I have been quite happy with my cake until now.
I've only been a forum warrior for a relatively short time, but I'm getting sick of these 12 year old kids waving their 13 year old toon in our face like its supposed to mean something.
Percy, what exactly does being around for 13 years mean?
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Blade Darth
Room for Improvement
Limited Expectations
75
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Posted - 2017.05.01 18:16:06 -
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High-sec is what I'd call extended tutorial. After a couple weeks you should leave it. Sadly EvE does a bad job at incentivizing players to do so.
Don't like the crappy war system in high-sec? Move to low/null. Don't like the politics of sov holding carebears or fights 5:1 vs. 100 titans on a server node that's about to crash? Move to a wormhole. Be a spy and make your isk that way. Or make art. Ninja-exploration. Stealing loot from low-sec gatecamps. Factional warfare. Hauling.
Or something else. Think for yourself. |
Percy Cuscaden
Easy Company
8
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Posted - 2017.05.01 18:20:47 -
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Zanar Skwigelf wrote:
Percy, what exactly does being around for 13 years mean?
For you, obviously nothing, but for me it is important.
Thanks for the insulting tone. Have a nice day.
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Carnivorous Swarm
Empty You
32
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Posted - 2017.05.01 18:22:01 -
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Maybe they want you to quit so they can steal your corp ticker.
"EASY" is pretty nice, any kind of corp would love that. |
Algarion Getz
Aideron Corp
335
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Posted - 2017.05.01 18:22:44 -
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Cern Audeles wrote:Hi, I love this game but for one thing. The wars. I am in a corp, it's new few veterans we mine explore do missions, but we keep having wars declared against us. They want paying up to a billion ISK to cancelled the wars, we lost half a bill in ships today. So, I am downgrading to alpha, play casual, I love this game, but, i get a ship nice then get jumped by 4 ppl at one and destroyed, its not fun and even with insurance, a loss
Leave corp, make new one. Takes 10 seconds. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
21026
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Posted - 2017.05.01 18:35:57 -
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Zanar Skwigelf wrote:what exactly does being around for 13 years mean?
should at least mean one can stand the same risks as literally every other corp in the game.
Murderers of Negotiable Motivations
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Keno Skir
1578
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Posted - 2017.05.01 18:52:34 -
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Percy Cuscaden wrote:I have a similar problem, I am an on and off player. I have my own Corp which only has two active players, me and one other chap. I have been in my Corp for over 13 years. We are getting random war decs from "RIOT" and " I Know Right " alliances.
I am now thinking of quitting my own corp just so I do not have to deal with war decs which I have 0 interest in. My choices are to logoff for a week or quit to an NPC corp so I can avoid this nonsense where Alliances with hundreds of players can pick on a corp with two active players.
Call me a care bear, whatever you want etc., I deal with the gankers etc., but war decs from alliances with hundreds of players against a two man active corp, I have no interest in dealing with.
Right, so leave the corp. Being in a PLAYER CORP means you have DELIBERATELY opened yourself up to wardecs. It's assumed that if you didn't want to be open to wardecs you wouldn't have chosen to be in a player corp where you trade the lower tax for the chance of war.
I assume you want 0 tax, as well as no war.. and everything else risk free too.
You said you deal with gankers, why are you choosing to not deal with wardecs?
I re-iterate : Being in a PLAYER CORP is a trade off like everything in EvE. You get lower taxes and your own flag, in return for defending yourself from other player corps.
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Percy Cuscaden
Easy Company
8
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Posted - 2017.05.01 19:11:06 -
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Keno Skir wrote:
Right, so leave the corp. Being in a PLAYER CORP means you have DELIBERATELY opened yourself up to wardecs. It's assumed that if you didn't want to be open to wardecs you wouldn't have chosen to be in a player corp where you trade the lower tax for the chance of war.
I assume you want 0 tax, as well as no war.. and everything else risk free too.
You said you deal with gankers, why are you choosing to not deal with wardecs?
I re-iterate : Being in a PLAYER CORP is a trade off like everything in EvE. You get lower taxes and your own flag, in return for defending yourself from other player corps.
I did not even know about the tax issue until today. Not fussed about the tax issue at all.
Gankers face consequences. A big alliance faces no consequences when they war dec a small corp. There is no risk for them.
Of course I can leave the corp, but being OCD I hate the idea of leaving my corp which I have been in for 13 years. I totally acknowledge this means nothing to most of you who are probably in out of corps like there is no tomorrow. But I am not like that! More fool me.
Where did I say anything about "everything else risk free too"? I never said that. The only risk free party in this complaint is the large alliance which has war decced a corp which has two active players  |
Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
21026
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Posted - 2017.05.01 19:19:24 -
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Percy Cuscaden wrote:A big alliance faces no consequences when they war dec a small corp. There is no risk for them.
well thats your fault now isnt it.
be it trough force of arms or leveraging your isk, you can and you should defend anything you want to keep.
we all have the same risks here and we are all responsible for our own safety.
pay someone scarier than them to slap them about for a bit, see what happens
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Percy Cuscaden
Easy Company
8
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Posted - 2017.05.01 19:30:13 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:well thats your fault now isnt it. be it trough force of arms or leveraging your isk, you can and you should defend anything you want to keep. we all have the same risks here and we are all responsible for our own safety. pay someone scarier than them to slap them about for a bit, see what happens
I am not like that. I am the peaceful type. I would never just war dec someone for high jinks. I would not fit in with CODE at all 
I could pay someone larger to slap them, but that just feeds the beast. I-¦ll go with passive again, and just stay docked up. Of course knowing my luck after this thread people will go out of their way to war dec my little corp, just because they can and they think I am being "special".
And before you say, "Oh maybe this game is not for you.", let me disabuse you of that notion. I was in Ultima Online back in the day and when they introduced the horror of Trammel, I remained in Felucca for most of my adventures. I enjoy the spectacle of watching the horror of human nature display itself online
For now, I am taking the opportunity to play around with an Alpha (ok, ok, I made him an Omega for a month to speed up his training....) for venture adventures!
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Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
2912
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Posted - 2017.05.01 19:38:35 -
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Percy Cuscaden wrote:I have a similar problem, I am an on and off player. I have my own Corp which only has two active players, me and one other chap. I have been in my Corp for over 13 years. We are getting random war decs from "RIOT" and " I Know Right " alliances.
I am now thinking of quitting my own corp just so I do not have to deal with war decs which I have 0 interest in. My choices are to logoff for a week or quit to an NPC corp so I can avoid this nonsense where Alliances with hundreds of players can pick on a corp with two active players.
Call me a care bear, whatever you want etc., I deal with the gankers etc., but war decs from alliances with hundreds of players against a two man active corp, I have no interest in dealing with.
go play around in low/null/wh space for the week, try something different. Heck you can stay right in highsec and try trading or manufacturing, have courier contracts deliver things for you, you don't ever have to undock.
at some point you or a corp member did something to make you a target, probably flying a blinged up ship in a mission hub, or flying a freighter though a pipe, maybe talked trash in local, also did you put any assets in space those are prime targets. heck if you want to get paranoid maybe your "buddy" is a spy giving intel on you to the enemy, or you are the spy and are posting here to make your buddy feel safe about you. Any way you look and sound like easy prey so I'm not too surprised. Most wardec alliances just dec as many people as they can to hopefully find targets.
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Valkin Mordirc
2784
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Posted - 2017.05.01 19:48:45 -
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Percy Cuscaden wrote:I am not like that. I am the peaceful type. I would never just war dec someone for high jinks. I would not fit in with CODE at all I could pay someone larger to slap them, but that just feeds the beast. I-¦ll go with passive again, and just stay docked up. Of course knowing my luck after this thread people will go out of their way to war dec my little corp, just because they can and they think I am being "special".
I was an active type player. I don't like repetitive mechanics in a game. I don't like to grind, but I don't go around saying that missions are absolutely not fun. I'll voice my opinion about it from time to time. I however don't complain about it like it ruins my game. I find other ways and made Isk outside of the Mission/Ratter/Anom PVE type grind.
Why should the game adapt to you? Or to anyone who doesn't like a certain mechanic when it's explicitly designed to give some multiple course of actions, that all have their own bonuses and consequences, if they don't like a certain set of mechanics?
Don't like Wars? Stay in an NPC corp. Don't like being in an NPC and don't like wars, Join a PVE corp in Nullsec.
If you want to have a Corp in Highsec, and do corpy things in Highsec. You need to be prepared to handle the trade-offs of that choice. Avoiding an aggressor is unbelievably easy now. The fact that we still get people complaining about it is ridiculous. It has been getting more and more ridiculous as the years pass by.
Even if you have been semi-active during those 13 years, you would be understanding of all of this, or at least have some inkling of how to handle a wardec other than docking up.
#DeleteTheWeak
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
21026
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Posted - 2017.05.01 19:55:22 -
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Percy Cuscaden wrote:I am not like that. I am the peaceful type.
ah right so, this is pretty much the definition of "PEBCAK"
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Percy Cuscaden
Easy Company
8
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Posted - 2017.05.01 20:03:48 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
ah right so, this is pretty much the definition of "PEBCAK"[/quote]
No "problem" here buddy. The person between the chair and keyboard is doing just fine.
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Starrakatt
Celtic Anarchy
The Bastard Cartel
681
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Posted - 2017.05.01 21:01:11 -
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Percy Cuscaden wrote:Keno Skir wrote:
Right, so leave the corp. Being in a PLAYER CORP means you have DELIBERATELY opened yourself up to wardecs. It's assumed that if you didn't want to be open to wardecs you wouldn't have chosen to be in a player corp where you trade the lower tax for the chance of war.
I assume you want 0 tax, as well as no war.. and everything else risk free too.
You said you deal with gankers, why are you choosing to not deal with wardecs?
I re-iterate : Being in a PLAYER CORP is a trade off like everything in EvE. You get lower taxes and your own flag, in return for defending yourself from other player corps.
I did not even know about the tax issue until today. Not fussed about the tax issue at all. Gankers face consequences. A big alliance faces no consequences when they war dec a small corp. There is no risk for them. Of course I can leave the corp, but being OCD I hate the idea of leaving my corp which I have been in for 13 years. I totally acknowledge this means nothing to most of you who are probably in out of corps like there is no tomorrow. But I am not like that! More fool me.
You do realize that your corp have been Wardecced SIX times in 13 years?
I Wardecced you myself out of my own pocket when I was in FA, likely because I saw one of you fly something really expensive and that I could. We got 0 kills, never renewed it because of it. Casual wars are casual, and only recurr if they are successfull (i.e we get kills). 6 Wardecs his is an insignificant number, believe me.
Second: 3 of the 6 Wardecs are recents. Why? Because you chose to undock a few hundred millions in mining ships while at war, which is the perfectly wrong thing to do. What did you expect? Or do you not read your War Notficiations?
If you hadn't lost these ships, then you'd likely not have a Wardec for a while. Now, those that noticed plan on 'stupid' and hope to repeat the feat. Most of losses in Hisec Wars are due to players being inatentive, lazy, ignorant or stupid.
There is no excuse for the first 3 reasons, 4th can't be cured.
P.S Being an Alpha doesn't protect you from a Wardec if you are in a player corp.
Join Celtic Anarchy!
Sneaky bastard.
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Keno Skir
1578
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Posted - 2017.05.01 21:48:58 -
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Percy Cuscaden wrote:Of course I can leave the corp, but being OCD I hate the idea of leaving my corp
Literally end of thread. This is not a valid reason to change a playstyle / mechanic.
EDIT : Hahahahaha i just read the post above and discovered you've had 6 wars in 13 years..
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Nalia White
Tencus
253
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Posted - 2017.05.01 21:49:56 -
[38] - Quote
drop all to npc corps and open a chat for yourself. you can even open an password protected officer chat. so you can guys can chat with each other and do stuff easely together.
if you want to have assets in space, you must be prepared to defend them. if you don't need assets in space, you don't need a corp. chats can do all the stuff for you!
Syndicate - K5-JRD
Home to few, graveyard for many
My biggest achievement
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Percy Cuscaden
Easy Company
8
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Posted - 2017.05.01 21:57:58 -
[39] - Quote
Starrakatt wrote:
You do realize that your corp have been Wardecced SIX times in 13 years?
I Wardecced you myself out of my own pocket when I was in FA, likely because I saw one of you fly something really expensive and that I could. We got 0 kills, never renewed it because of it. Casual wars are casual, and only recurr if they are successfull (i.e we get kills). 6 Wardecs his is an insignificant number, believe me.
I just logged off for the week at that time.
Starrakatt wrote:
Second: 3 of the 6 Wardecs are recents. Why? Because you chose to undock a few hundred millions in mining ships while at war, which is the perfectly wrong thing to do. What did you expect? Or do you not read your War Notficiations?
Sure I saw it, caught fair and square. No complaints about the lost ships. It happens.
I still think the war dec mechanic is a bad mechanic. Corps are the only forms of player associations, trying to keep friends together should not be a PITA. It should be something which encourages players to come back to the game from time to time, not something that ostracises active players out of a structure where they can find their friends because the risk of going up against a large corp is insurmountable for a small corp in what is meant to be an area of space that is somewhat safer than low/null.
Starrakatt wrote:
If you hadn't lost these ships, then you'd likely not have a Wardec for a while. Now, those that noticed plan on 'stupid' and hope to repeat the feat. Most of losses in Hisec Wars are due to players being inatentive, lazy, ignorant or stupid.
There is no excuse for the first 3 reasons, 4th can't be cured.
P.S Being an Alpha doesn't protect you from a Wardec if you are in a player corp.
P.S. Alpha is sitting in his NPC corp.
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Starrakatt
Celtic Anarchy
The Bastard Cartel
681
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Posted - 2017.05.01 22:55:55 -
[40] - Quote
Percy Cuscaden wrote:
I still think the war dec mechanic is a bad mechanic. Corps are the only forms of player associations, trying to keep friends together should not be a PITA. It should be something which encourages players to come back to the game from time to time, not something that ostracises active players out of a structure where they can find their friends because the risk of going up against a large corp is insurmountable for a small corp in what is meant to be an area of space that is somewhat safer than low/null.
Wardecs are the only mean to have conflicts in Hisec - Conflict mechanics are necessary to remove Concord intervention and allow corps to fight over whatever.
Not saying the mechanics are perfect, far from it, but Wardecs, in one form or another, are there to stay.
Hisec IS somewhat safer (mechanically wise), as you know that aside for the odd gank only Wardecs can touch you, and you see them coming through a nice 24 hrs warning.
Blobbing happens everywhere in EVE, not only Hisec. So yeah, if you get Wardecced it is usually going to be by bigger fishes than you are.
We got blobbed by PL a couple weeks ago: It wasn't 'fair', still happened.
Quote:
P.S. Alpha is sitting in his NPC corp.
Good.
Besides, you get a chance to do stuff you haven't done in many years, like starting up a new toon and do Tutorials.
Join Celtic Anarchy!
Sneaky bastard.
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Algathas
Wraithguard.
The Wraithguard.
77
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Posted - 2017.05.02 06:03:48 -
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Percy Cuscaden wrote:Black Pedro wrote:
This game is about tradeoffs. Please stop complaining that you have to make choices.
I have been in my 13 year old corp which has RL friends who come back from time to time. This has not been a problem before. We had one spate of random war decs from the Marmite Collective and others in June last year. Now in one month I get two. How many people have you come across that are in their corp after 13 years? I need to leave now because some alliance wants to randomly wardec me every time they feel bored and need new targets (all 2 of us)? I see no fun in a mechanic which allows full alliances to war dec small corps. http://imgur.com/a/KaVqC
This is the first time I have "whined" about this issue. This corp was created 13 years ago for friends to stay in touch whenever they came back to the game. Like you note, it is high time CCP gave us a non-competitive structure which facilitates us staying in touch with our friends without having to sit in a structure which leaves us open to being war decced against our will when some other group of players feels bored. Apologies for being "petulant" after 13 years in my corp. I have been quite happy with my cake until now.
They do have such a structure - the chat channel. Make a channel, have all the friends join it and then be in an NPC corp. Problem solved no more wardecs forever.
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Beast of Revelations
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
195
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Posted - 2017.05.02 06:07:44 -
[42] - Quote
So dumb. Such a lack of creative thinking (if such easy to figure out stuff could even be called that). I guess this is the ADHD thing with kids with 0 attention spans furiously typing into handheld devices and wanting everything handed to them.
I was flying my Nightmare through high-sec the other day. Got war dec'd. Promptly docked, dropped corp, undocked, and proceeded as normal. Right at the gate there were the war-deccers camped waiting on me. I smiled, waived, and continued on through the gate.
Was that SO HARD to figure out? Jeez Louis. |
Josef Djugashvilis
3553
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Posted - 2017.05.02 06:40:35 -
[43] - Quote
Ima Wreckyou wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:Join a corp who can handle wardecs. The weak must be eliminated I take it you are going to leave CODE then. How did the Alliance Tournament go for you guys a couple of years ago? We won, why? Are you still upset about it?
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=367694
Do keep up dearie...
This is not a signature.
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
CODE.
3968
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Posted - 2017.05.02 07:00:41 -
[44] - Quote
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:Join a corp who can handle wardecs. The weak must be eliminated I take it you are going to leave CODE then. How did the Alliance Tournament go for you guys a couple of years ago? We won, why? Are you still upset about it? https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=367694
Do keep up dearie...
Let me quote from a minerbumping post from back then:
http://www.minerbumping.com/2014/08/code-wows-at-alliance-tournament.html
Supreme Protector of Highsec, Father of the New Order, our Saviour the great James 315 wrote:
When all is said and done, no one will remember Alliance Tournament XII for whether one droneboat setup beat another droneboat setup. They won't care whether Pandemic Legion spent a bunch of money and won the tournament for a fourth time or a fifth time, or whatever. They won't remember whether RvB finished in 20th place or 10th place or 5th place. But they will always remember the CODEdot team. They have achieved immortality.
Anyway, thanks for confirming out victory Josef
the Code ALWAYS wins
Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
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Percy Cuscaden
Easy Company
9
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Posted - 2017.05.02 07:10:12 -
[45] - Quote
Beast of Revelations wrote:So dumb. Such a lack of creative thinking (if such easy to figure out stuff could even be called that). I guess this is the ADHD thing with kids with 0 attention spans furiously typing into handheld devices and wanting everything handed to them.
Sure I can leave the corp, but I have been in it for 13 years and do not want to. I get you do not appreciate that and do not think anything of it. Fine.
But what is with all the insults? You know nothing about me or the OP and other posters and yourself continue to label us in all sorts of ways. You know *nothing* about either of us beyond that we are paying customers like yourselves, who enjoy the game, but feel there should be an improvement or alternative community tool allowing friends to stay together with out being war decced. Just becuase we are talking about does not mean *anything* is going to happen.
I get you see no issue with flip flopping out of your corp every time you get war decced. Awesome. Really happy for you. I do not like the mechanic. I am discussing it in this forum. Why all the insults?
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
CODE.
3969
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Posted - 2017.05.02 07:49:54 -
[46] - Quote
Percy Cuscaden wrote:I get you see no issue with flip flopping out of your corp every time you get war decced. Awesome. Really happy for you. I do not like the mechanic. I am discussing it in this forum. Why all the insults?
Becuase this is a game about blowing up spaceships and you quite literally come to the forums and whine how you refuse to play it and would rather have it changed because you don't like it.
It seams you have no problem with the sandbox as long as it suits you and as long as you can get ISK from the market where the very demand you profit from is fueled by conflict. But if you become target of that conflict you think you should be able to completely isolate yourself and your friends, because "it's not what you want" while still being able to profit.
Well that is not how the game works. If you want to run a corporation you have to defend it. If you can't you don't deserve that corporation.
I can't understand why some people play a game which is quite obviously about shooting spaceships when they so vehemently are against such gameplay and rather than see the war as what it is, a potential for a whole lot of fun content and action, they rather come to the forum to whine about it.
Has it ever crossed your mind to even try to see this as an opportunity to get your friends back? Tell them that the corp is under siege and that they should come back and defend it if they are even remotely interested in keeping it. A war is something interesting and there are a ton of ways how you can have fun. That does not mean you have to win every fight or win at all. T1 setups are cheap and almost completely repay from insurance. There is literally nothing to lose. You probably mined for 13 years and have no idea what to do with all that ISK anyway, so why not have some fun with it?
There are a gazilion ways how to trick others into thinking they have the upper hand and trick them into a fight. And seriously if someone looks at your corp EVERY trap will look convincing.
Get some neutral scouts, learn where your enemy is and what he flies and trap him with a full counter. And if it does not work, the ships are cheap, you lost nothing, but gained a whole lot of insight into EVE PvP, had some fun and excitement while doing it and maybe even got some of your friends back into EVE.
the Code ALWAYS wins
Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
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Percy Cuscaden
Easy Company
15
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Posted - 2017.05.02 08:26:03 -
[47] - Quote
Ima Wreckyou wrote:Percy Cuscaden wrote:Why all the insults? Becuase this is a game about blowing up spaceships and you quite literally come to the forums and whine how you refuse to play it and would rather have it changed because you don't like it. It seams you have no problem with the sandbox as long as it suits you and as long as you can get ISK from the market where the very demand you profit from is fueled by conflict. But if you become target of that conflict you think you should be able to completely isolate yourself and your friends, because "it's not what you want" while still being able to profit.
I can flip that one right back at you, right now, code loses 1% to every 99% they destroy. Any attempt to address that issue in terms of risk vs. reward is met by derision by your good selves. Any attempt to discuss that or address that issue is met by the same insults and belittling I am seeing.
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Well that is not how the game works. If you want to run a corporation you have to defend it. If you can't you don't deserve that corporation.
I can't understand why some people play a game which is quite obviously about shooting spaceships when they so vehemently are against such gameplay and rather than see the war as what it is, a potential for a whole lot of fun content and action, they rather come to the forum to whine about it.
Sorry, I will never agree that allowing a huge alliance to war dec a small 2 player corp is "fun". You can paint that anyway you want, but it simply is not. It just means I dock up for the week with that character.
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Has it ever crossed your mind to even try to see this as an opportunity to get your friends back? Tell them that the corp is under siege and that they should come back and defend it if they are even remotely interested in keeping it. A war is something interesting and there are a ton of ways how you can have fun. That does not mean you have to win every fight or win at all. T1 setups are cheap and almost completely repay from insurance. There is literally nothing to lose. You probably mined for 13 years and have no idea what to do with all that ISK anyway, so why not have some fun with it?
"Please come back so that we can all die together against insurmountable odds in a completely unbalanced fight." - Sadly, I do not see that one working.
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
There are a gazilion ways how to trick others into thinking they have the upper hand and trick them into a fight. And seriously if someone looks at your corp EVERY trap will look convincing.
Get some neutral scouts, learn where your enemy is and what he flies and trap him with a full counter. And if it does not work, the ships are cheap, you lost nothing, but gained a whole lot of insight into EVE PvP, had some fun and excitement while doing it and maybe even got some of your friends back into EVE.
Yes, for an experienced PvP corp all the above is true. Neither I nor my friend are experienced PvPers. We do not pretend to be.
Anything which goes against your doctrine view of the game is classified as whining. I received that message loud and clear.
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Keno Skir
1578
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Posted - 2017.05.02 08:33:48 -
[48] - Quote
Percy Cuscaden wrote:I can flip that one right back at you, right now, code loses 1% to every 99% they destroy. Any attempt to address that issue in terms of risk vs. reward is met by derision by your good selves. Any attempt to discuss that or address that issue is met by the same insults and belittling I am seeing.
You're being belittled because (as has been explained) you are suggesting the game is broken because you "don't want to" use the obvious mechanic that would save you.
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Percy Cuscaden
Easy Company
15
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Posted - 2017.05.02 09:33:21 -
[49] - Quote
There is a current posting on Reddit which has some interesting ideas:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/68mgyk/the_one_million_and_first_ccplease_wardecs_post/
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Zanar Skwigelf
Boa Innovations
Brothers of Tangra
169
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Posted - 2017.05.02 13:12:13 -
[50] - Quote
Percy Cuscaden wrote:You know nothing about me or the OP and other posters and yourself continue to label us in all sorts of ways. You know *nothing* about either of us beyond that we are paying customers like yourselves, who enjoy the game, but feel there should be an improvement or alternative community tool allowing friends to stay together with out being war decced. Just becuase we are talking about does not mean *anything* is going to happen.
I get you see no issue with flip flopping out of your corp every time you get war decced. Awesome. Really happy for you. I do not like the mechanic. I am discussing it in this forum. Why all the insults?
Wrong again. We know that you refuse to adapt to the game mechanics, and want the game to change to suit someone who casually logs in every once in a while over a 13 year period.
I'm legitimately surprised by the amount of anti-wardec rhetoric getting upvoted in that thread. We are talking about the same subreddit community in which every single thread titled "new player looking for advice with X" has "join Dreddit / Horde / Karmafleet / Brave Newbies" as the top rated reply. Where did all these people that suddenly care about "small newbie corps growing organically in HS" come from? The vast majority of these threads need to have the top 2-5 comments minimized just to find the answer to OP's question because the community is too busy telling OP to join one of the large null entities and how once they do that they will find people that can help them.
Also, just for giggles to show how cherry picked that thread is for your argument, currently on the front page of reddit (top 25 posts):
15 threads related to combat (memes, videos, battle reports, propaganda, general PvP, wars, thunderdome)
8 threads on stuff outside the game client
1 thread on low sec LP
1 on HS war decs (the thread you linked)
reddit clearly is pro-war. They can use whatever words they want, but when well over half the posts are war or general PvP related, we've seen all we need to see. |
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Percy Cuscaden
Easy Company
15
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Posted - 2017.05.02 13:48:22 -
[51] - Quote
Zanar Skwigelf wrote:
We know that you refuse to adapt to the game mechanics, and want the game to change to suit someone who casually logs in every once in a while over a 13 year period.
Also, just for giggles to show how cherry picked that thread is for your argument, currently on the front page of reddit (top 25 posts):
15 threads related to combat (memes, videos, battle reports, propaganda, general PvP, wars, thunderdome)
8 threads on stuff outside the game client
1 thread on low sec LP
1 on HS war decs (the thread you linked)
reddit clearly is pro-war. They can use whatever words they want, but when well over half the posts are war or general PvP related, we've seen all we need to see.
Refuse to adapt to game mechanics? There is no option to refuse to game mechanics in the game, you cannot opt out of a game mechanic. This is a discussion on a forum. Do I like the current implementation of the game mechanic? No. Am I refusing to adapt to it? No. There is no option but to submit to the game mechanic. What is so wrong with being a casual player and conveying my criticism of a game mechanic?
I did not cherry pick anything, it is a thread discussing the war dec system like this one is. Wanting to change the war dec system does not automatically make one pro-war or anti-war. It just makes us players who are interested in discussing a game system. If you want to label an entire Reddit forum with your perception of it, knock your socks off. That does not make the points raised in that thread anymore or less valid than yours, my own or anyone other single person discussing this issue.
The majority outspoken view will prevail as it nearly always does. I really do not think your game style choice is under threat from me or anyone else discussing this issue. This is just a discussion. There is no anti-war conspiracy going on, either here or on Reddit. |
March rabbit
Mosquito squadron
The-Culture
2153
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Posted - 2017.05.02 13:58:50 -
[52] - Quote
Percy Cuscaden wrote:Keno Skir wrote:
Right, so leave the corp. Being in a PLAYER CORP means you have DELIBERATELY opened yourself up to wardecs. It's assumed that if you didn't want to be open to wardecs you wouldn't have chosen to be in a player corp where you trade the lower tax for the chance of war.
I assume you want 0 tax, as well as no war.. and everything else risk free too.
You said you deal with gankers, why are you choosing to not deal with wardecs?
I re-iterate : Being in a PLAYER CORP is a trade off like everything in EvE. You get lower taxes and your own flag, in return for defending yourself from other player corps.
I did not even know about the tax issue until today. Not fussed about the tax issue at all. Gankers face consequences. A big alliance faces no consequences when they war dec a small corp. There is no risk for them. Of course I can leave the corp, but being OCD I hate the idea of leaving my corp which I have been in for 13 years. I totally acknowledge this means nothing to most of you who are probably in out of corps like there is no tomorrow. But I am not like that! More fool me. Where did I say anything about "everything else risk free too"? I never said that. The only risk free party in this complaint is the large alliance which has war decced a corp which has two active players
13 years in the game:
- does not know what to do when wardecced
- does not know about corp and NPC taxes
- ...
The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
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March rabbit
Mosquito squadron
The-Culture
2153
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Posted - 2017.05.02 14:02:28 -
[53] - Quote
Ima Wreckyou wrote:Let me quote from a minerbumping post from back then: http://www.minerbumping.com/2014/08/code-wows-at-alliance-tournament.html
Supreme Protector of Highsec, Father of the New Order, our Saviour the great James 315 wrote:
When all is said and done, no one will remember Alliance Tournament XII for whether one droneboat setup beat another droneboat setup. They won't care whether Pandemic Legion spent a bunch of money and won the tournament for a fourth time or a fifth time, or whatever. They won't remember whether RvB finished in 20th place or 10th place or 5th place. But they will always remember the CODEdot team. They have achieved immortality.
Anyway, thanks for confirming our victory Josef
Well... some people can find fame in being the worst.... 
But yeah.... Some people present themself as idiots on Internetz to get 'minutes of fame' 
The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
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Carnivorous Swarm
Empty You
33
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Posted - 2017.05.02 14:59:32 -
[54] - Quote
Percy:
Talking about changing war mechanics is fine, but is not going to solve your problem today. Personally I think social corps with NPC-corp-like restrictions and taxes are a fair idea.
The truth is that it is your choice not to take any of these suggestions presented in this thread. None of them are undoable. They work. Some of the suggestions merely tweak your playstyle, keeping most of it intact. And, it is enjoyable to deny your enemies their cake.
Let me also suggest improving your fits and fitting all the slots on your ships (see your mining ships). Stop losing T2 ships to NPCs or at the very least disallow killmails from your account so no one sees them. Stop readily dying to suicide ganks like on April 16 when it happened twice on the same day in the same system.
Your corporation looks like it makes no attempt to learn the game or how to interact with players who have conflicting ambitions. Your corporation looks like a great target, honestly.
Do you, as the CEO, have what it takes to lead your members to safety and prosperity in the ever changing universe? Or will you dock up for weeks at a time and lament your freedom? |
Percy Cuscaden
Easy Company
22
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Posted - 2017.05.02 15:59:30 -
[55] - Quote
Carnivorous Swarm wrote:Percy:
Talking about changing war mechanics is fine, but is not going to solve your problem today. Personally I think social corps with NPC-corp-like restrictions and taxes are a fair idea.
Me too. I think the game must lose a lot of casual players who cannot get over the brutal play style, I think that is a lost opportunity. What others see as the culling of the weak, I see as a lost opportunity for further expanding the playerbase and encouraging more people into low sec/null. The game is pretty healthy right now, it is certainly not the case that it is dying, but I think it could do better. It has so much to offer.
Carnivorous Swarm wrote:
The truth is that it is your choice not to take any of these suggestions presented in this thread. None of them are undoable. They work. Some of the suggestions merely tweak your playstyle, keeping most of it intact. And, it is enjoyable to deny your enemies their cake.
Trustory. Currently I choose not to leave my Corp, that may change in the future, but wrong or right I see it as my little home in the game.
Carnivorous Swarm wrote:
Let me also suggest improving your fits and fitting all the slots on your ships (see your mining ships). Stop losing T2 ships to NPCs or at the very least disallow killmails from your account so no one sees them. Stop readily dying to suicide ganks like on April 16 when it happened twice on the same day in the same system.
Yeah the loss of Ishtars is careless, but I love that little ship. Battleships are boring and slow in comparison to the Ishtar, but I have plenty of room for improvement.
I believe in being open. A terrible choice in a game like Eve Online, but I have survived from 2003 till now doing so. That may change, but not today!
The suicide ganks on the 16th, well they were my own stupid fault. I was purposefully in relatively cheap ass ships becuase I was war decced by RIOT. They smacked us down in Brapelille the day before so I moved down to Osmon. I decided for cheap and cheerful. The ganker did good work, o7 to the Whyte clan on that one. Risk and reward for both players there.
I cannot pretend to like ganking, but I have no issue (so far) with how miners are currently ganked in hi sec. It is good for the game and keeps players on their toes. The isk must flow! Even with the loss of the two mining ships I managed to pull in 400m in isk that week whilst war decced (which of course was then promptly lost with that Ishtarstravaganza the next week :) )
Carnivorous Swarm wrote:
Your corporation looks like it makes no attempt to learn the game or how to interact with players who have conflicting ambitions. Your corporation looks like a great target, honestly.
Fine, I will have to live with that. I would have thought there were better targets than a two player active corp, but with the current mechanics we make easy fodder. I get that.
Carnivorous Swarm wrote:
Do you, as the CEO, have what it takes to lead your members to safety and prosperity in the ever changing universe? Or will you dock up for weeks at a time and lament your freedom?
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Lothros Andastar
Eternity INC.
Goonswarm Federation
270
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Posted - 2017.05.02 16:03:01 -
[56] - Quote
Percy Cuscaden wrote:
Me too. I think the game must lose a lot of casual players who cannot get over the brutal play style, I think that is a lost opportunity. What others see as the culling of the weak, I see as a lost opportunity for further expanding the playerbase and encouraging more people into low sec/null. The game is pretty healthy right now, it is certainly not the case that it is dying, but I think it could do better. It has so much to offer.
Sorry bub, but CCP stats prove you wrong on that. |
Percy Cuscaden
Easy Company
22
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Posted - 2017.05.02 16:14:41 -
[57] - Quote
Lothros Andastar wrote:
Sorry bub, but CCP stats prove you wrong on that.
Which bit?
i. I think the game must lose a lot of casual players who cannot get over the brutal play style
ii. The game is pretty healthy right now
iii. a) it is certainly not the case that it is dying or b) but I think it could do better |
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
CODE.
3975
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Posted - 2017.05.02 16:24:28 -
[58] - Quote
Percy Cuscaden wrote:I can flip that one right back at you, right now, code loses 1% to every 99% they destroy. Any attempt to address that issue in terms of risk vs. reward is met by derision by your good selves. Any attempt to discuss that or address that issue is met by the same insults and belittling I am seeing.
Do you even know what risk/reward means? This is a metric to balance loot drop tables for NPC and resources and not to balance player interaction.
The only reason why we manage to destroy so much is that some players in Highsec are completely complacent and let their guard down.
Percy Cuscaden wrote:Sorry, I will never agree that allowing a huge alliance to war dec a small 2 player corp is "fun". You can paint that anyway you want, but it simply is not. It just means I dock up for the week with that character.
Oh common, you would cry even if it was a one man corp who wardeced you. Don't try to make you look like you are the poor underdog here. What you want is isolation from the sandbox when it suits you.
Percy Cuscaden wrote:"Please come back so that we can all die together against insurmountable odds in a completely unbalanced fight." - Sadly, I do not see that one working.
It is only unbalanced because you are not willing to prepare. I fight wars against whole alliances alone and have no issue because I prepare and care about how the game works.
Do you think "Come back and mine some ore with us for no reason or purpose" will bring them back? EVE is so much more fun if you have a real goal and something to fight for.
Percy Cuscaden wrote:
Yes, for an experienced PvP corp all the above is true. Neither I nor my friend are experienced PvPers. We do not pretend to be.
Anything which goes against your doctrine view of the game is classified as whining. I received that message loud and clear.
If people whine on the forums that is classified as whining yes. The true enemy you have is only yourself and your defeatist attitude and not the wardecers you face.
If you came to the forums to get advice how to defend, people would actually flock to the thread, support and teach you how to trick those guys into a trap. No one was born an EVE PvP expert, we all learned it by actually playing the game. Instead you chose to whine for a change of game mechanics in your favour.
the Code ALWAYS wins
Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
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Josef Djugashvilis
3557
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Posted - 2017.05.02 16:34:51 -
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Dear Ima Wreckyou, if you consider AT XII to be a 'victory' you must relate to the truth the same way as one D. J. Trump .
Are you a relative of his?
I think we should be told :)
This is not a signature.
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
CODE.
3975
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Posted - 2017.05.02 16:37:37 -
[60] - Quote
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Dear Ima Wreckyou, if you consider AT XII to be a 'victory' you must relate to the truth the same way as one D. J. Trump .
Are you a relative of his?
I think we should be told :)
I think we should build a wall around Highsec to keep the illegal miners out of our territory.
Check my bio, I even have a gold medal for winning said tournament.
the Code ALWAYS wins
Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
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Percy Cuscaden
Easy Company
23
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Posted - 2017.05.02 16:52:50 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote: Instead you chose to whine for a change of game mechanics in your favour.
You choose to label anyone who questions anything which might affect your play style as a whiner.
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
CODE.
3980
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Posted - 2017.05.02 17:03:45 -
[62] - Quote
Percy Cuscaden wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote: Instead you chose to whine for a change of game mechanics in your favour. You choose to label anyone who questions anything which might affect your play style as a whiner.
I dont need wardecs to kill people in highsec
I lable you a whiner because you are one.
the Code ALWAYS wins
Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier
631
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Posted - 2017.05.02 17:21:06 -
[63] - Quote
Hello Cern Audeles, it's great to have an opportunity to chat with you.
I can relate to your issues very well and I have proposed an idea that will help people to avoid wardecs and get a different perspective of the game. This involves becoming NPC while you gain this new perspective. After the new perspective is gained you could go back to joining or creating a corp and fighting a wardec and have a higher chance of survival and prosperity.
Please find the link to my thread here: The NPC Project
Comms and chat channels will be provided and we will generally build trust with each other and learn more about the game without the threat of a wardec. A corp losing half a billion in one day is a difficult situation.
Please re-sub back to Omega, you and your corp mates should leave the corp and stay in an NPC corp where you will 100% be safe from wardecs. I'm expecting there to be lots of people involved so you will not be alone. There will be people organising regular PVE and PVP ops. You and your corp could operate within the NPC project, build your skills and then go back to fighting wardecs.
I am very excited about all of this and the start to this venture is imminent. I look forward to chatting with you soon. if not good luck.
Fear no one, live life, be free, accept the truth, do not judge others, defend yourself, fight hard till the end, meditate on problems and be prosperous. Things to exist by. -- RAIN Arthie
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier
635
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Posted - 2017.05.02 17:41:38 -
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Percy Cuscaden wrote:Beast of Revelations wrote:So dumb. Such a lack of creative thinking (if such easy to figure out stuff could even be called that). I guess this is the ADHD thing with kids with 0 attention spans furiously typing into handheld devices and wanting everything handed to them. You know *nothing* about either of us beyond that we are paying customers like yourselves, who enjoy the game, but feel there should be an improvement or alternative community tool allowing friends to stay together with out being war decced.
I disagree that there is no mechanic that allows people to avoid wardec's when there blatantly is. Being NPC allows you to avoid a wardec. I think many of us are caught up in a psychological barrier that makes us think being in a corp is the be all and end all to everything.
My previous post here contained a link to my thread that details the particulars for The NPC project. Yes we have to create our own communication network and community tools. In my opinion this is a small price to pay to have immunity from wardecs.
You might complain about the tax rate of being in an NPC corp, all I would say is compare that to your corps losses today which I believe was 500 million.
I know it is hard leaving a corp behind, the corp has been around for 13 years which I admire, It might be time for everyone to leave the corp and put an alt as CEO then put the corp on ice for a period of time while you and your buddies regroup into an NPC corp and gain a new perspective, by all means get your buddies to rejoin the corp once you have this new perspective and fight the good fight.
My proposal for The NPC Project could be interesting. There may be lots of CEO's among us who will later go on to leading corps and have other CEO's and their corps allied with them. So please try to look at this as a "regrouping" in a wrestling match which means you're just stepping out of the arena for a while and conferring with your friends and once you have a solid plan of action you're stepping back into the area and fighting. This is a great opportunity to network with others and work out a plan to fight the common fight.
Fear no one, live life, be free, accept the truth, do not judge others, defend yourself, fight hard till the end, meditate on problems and be prosperous. Things to exist by. -- RAIN Arthie
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
62132
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Posted - 2017.05.02 18:40:29 -
[65] - Quote
Percy Cuscaden wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote: Instead you chose to whine for a change of game mechanics in your favour. You choose to label anyone who questions anything which might affect your play style as a whiner.
Don't bother replying to their accusations or remarks, they whine the loudest because they're the most risk adverse players in the game. If they were actual PvP'ers, they'd be taking Sov in Null Sec. Check their KB record, they only attack the weakest ships in the game.
DMC
'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
CODE.
3980
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Posted - 2017.05.02 18:47:36 -
[66] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:Percy Cuscaden wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote: Instead you chose to whine for a change of game mechanics in your favour. You choose to label anyone who questions anything which might affect your play style as a whiner. Don't bother replying to their accusations or remarks, they whine the loudest because they're the most risk adverse players in the game. If they were actual PvP'ers, they'd be taking Sov in Null Sec. Check their KB record, they only attack the weakest ships in the game. DMC
Tough words from someone who is even afraid to join a corp.
the Code ALWAYS wins
Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
62133
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Posted - 2017.05.02 19:20:53 -
[67] - Quote
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Tough words from someone who is even afraid to join a corp.
Heh, your constant vile blusterous posturing indicates you're just compensating for lack of RL-Peen.
DMC
'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
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Jenn aSide
shinigami miners
ChaosTheory.
15765
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Posted - 2017.05.02 19:30:26 -
[68] - Quote
I can't even remember now how many times we've seen the same thread.
-Person is so casual they generally don't even play EVE has a problem with something and runs to the forum DEMANDING changes.
-Doesn't even try to use the already existing game mechanics (npc corp + chat channel or move to someplace not near a trade hub, or get out of high sec, or fight back, or hire mercs etc. etc.) to alleviate his problem, no, it's STRAIGHT TO THE FORUMS he goes.
-Gets told by multiple people that he is doing it wrong, and he is wrong for wanting expansive changes to a game mechanic he could have countered himself in any number of whys.
-Starts huffing and puffing about how people are talking to him like he is stupid (while steadfastly refusing to understand that the stupid way he's done things here is the catalyst for the response he is getting).
-Bonus: Enter the "White Knights of Co-Dependent Weakness" who always show up anytime anyone (but especially anyone in CODE or GOONs or any null sec alliance) explains to anyone else that they are grown ass people who should be ashamed of the fact that they let a video game make them cry.
It's like they said in Battlestar Galactica. This has all happened before, and it will happen again. |
Percy Cuscaden
Easy Company
30
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Posted - 2017.05.02 19:46:28 -
[69] - Quote
Jenn aSide wrote:I can't even remember now how many times we've seen the same thread.
-Person is so casual they generally don't even play EVE has a problem with something and runs to the forum DEMANDING changes.
-Doesn't even try to use the already existing game mechanics (npc corp + chat channel or move to someplace not near a trade hub, or get out of high sec, or fight back, or hire mercs etc. etc.) to alleviate his problem, no, it's STRAIGHT TO THE FORUMS he goes.
-Gets told by multiple people that he is doing it wrong, and he is wrong for wanting expansive changes to a game mechanic he could have countered himself in any number of whys.
-Starts huffing and puffing about how people are talking to him like he is stupid (while steadfastly refusing to understand that the stupid way he's done things here is the catalyst for the response he is getting).
-Bonus: Enter the "White Knights of Co-Dependent Weakness" who always show up anytime anyone (but especially anyone in CODE or GOONs or any null sec alliance) explains to anyone else that they are grown ass people who should be ashamed of the fact that they let a video game make them cry.
It's like they said in Battlestar Galactica. This has all happened before, and it will happen again.
I have not DEMANDED anything.
The forums are a valid forum for discussing the game. I am sorry some of us bring up issues which you find upsetting.
Fine, I am doing it wrong. Thanks for all the hints.
I have not huffed and puffed, I have asked why the need for the insults and labelling. I still do not understand why you are all getting so excited about a discussion in the forum which has no bearing on any change which is actually going to lead to implementation at this point.
Thank for calling my game play choice stupid. Its a game. Get over yourself. I am really pleased for you that you have found the ultimate true path to game efficiency in Eve Online. We cannot be all so blessed. Thank god there are players like you whose glory we can bask in.
Bonus : More insults and labels to other players who dare to take a different stance.
I am not crying. I may saddened by the lack of quality discourse taking place about this issue, but no tears.
Drama and fun so far!
To quote you, "This has all happened before, and it will happen again." Yes, quite right. Any time any one so much as suggests a different play style *might* be acceptable in the game the normal suspects appear to tell them they are whiners and stupid players for questioning an existing mechanic.
My position may be an extreme minority position, which will never be implemented. Fine. But why all the insults and labels? We are all gamers in a game together. We all want it to be a success for many many more years and to build on the 14 years the game has given us gaming entertainment. |
Jenn aSide
shinigami miners
ChaosTheory.
15765
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Posted - 2017.05.02 19:55:25 -
[70] - Quote
Percy Cuscaden wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:I can't even remember now how many times we've seen the same thread.
-Person is so casual they generally don't even play EVE has a problem with something and runs to the forum DEMANDING changes.
-Doesn't even try to use the already existing game mechanics (npc corp + chat channel or move to someplace not near a trade hub, or get out of high sec, or fight back, or hire mercs etc. etc.) to alleviate his problem, no, it's STRAIGHT TO THE FORUMS he goes.
-Gets told by multiple people that he is doing it wrong, and he is wrong for wanting expansive changes to a game mechanic he could have countered himself in any number of whys.
-Starts huffing and puffing about how people are talking to him like he is stupid (while steadfastly refusing to understand that the stupid way he's done things here is the catalyst for the response he is getting).
-Bonus: Enter the "White Knights of Co-Dependent Weakness" who always show up anytime anyone (but especially anyone in CODE or GOONs or any null sec alliance) explains to anyone else that they are grown ass people who should be ashamed of the fact that they let a video game make them cry.
It's like they said in Battlestar Galactica. This has all happened before, and it will happen again. I have not DEMANDED anything. The forums are a valid forum for discussing the game. I am sorry some of us bring up issues which you find upsetting. Fine, I am doing it wrong. Thanks for all the hints. I have not huffed and puffed, I have asked why the need for the insults and labelling. I still do not understand why you are all getting so excited about a discussion in the forum which has no bearing on any change which is actually going to lead to implementation at this point. Thank for calling my game play choice stupid. Its a game. Get over yourself. I am really pleased for you that you have found the ultimate true path to game efficiency in Eve Online. We cannot be all so blessed. Thank god there are players like you whose glory we can bask in. Bonus : More insults and labels to other players who dare to take a different stance. I am not crying. I may saddened by the lack of quality discourse taking place about this issue, but no tears. Drama and fun so far! To quote you, "This has all happened before, and it will happen again." Yes, quite right. Any time any one so much as suggests a different play style *might* be acceptable in the game the normal suspects appear to tell them they are whiners and stupid players for questioning an existing mechanic. My position may be an extreme minority position, which will never be implemented. Fine. But why all the insults and labels? We are all gamers in a game together. We all want it to be a success for many many more years and to build on the 14 years the game has given us gaming entertainment.
Thank you for proving my point. I should have added:
-When people demonstrate to him what he is saying is stupid, he will suddenly describe what he is doing as a "play style" and accuse everyone else of not liking his "play style", even though most of the people replying to him don't even play the game the same way as everyone else does. He won't be able to grap the idea that he' is is own problem and that "whining on the forums about something he already has the tools to overcome" is not a "play style".
And
-Will then act all mystified at the response he's getting because he can't understand that people have done the same kind of begging and crying he's doing for as much as 14 years. |
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier
635
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Posted - 2017.05.02 20:15:51 -
[71] - Quote
Ima Wreckyou wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:Percy Cuscaden wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote: Instead you chose to whine for a change of game mechanics in your favour. You choose to label anyone who questions anything which might affect your play style as a whiner. Don't bother replying to their accusations or remarks, they whine the loudest because they're the most risk adverse players in the game. If they were actual PvP'ers, they'd be taking Sov in Null Sec. Check their KB record, they only attack the weakest ships in the game. DMC Tough words from someone who is even afraid to join a corp.
I'd say he is smart for not joining a corp and remaining NPC. it gives him a very different perspective from yours. I'm sure DMC has lots of tactics that people would do well to try. There's many ways one can choose to play this game no way is right and no way is wrong, it's all about accepting the consequence of your chosen play style.
Fear no one, live life, be free, accept the truth, do not judge others, defend yourself, fight hard till the end, meditate on problems and be prosperous. Things to exist by. -- RAIN Arthie
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Percy Cuscaden
Easy Company
32
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Posted - 2017.05.02 20:38:09 -
[72] - Quote
Jenn aSide wrote:
Thank you for proving my point. I should have added:
-When people demonstrate to him what he is saying is stupid, he will suddenly describe what he is doing as a "play style" and accuse everyone else of not liking his "play style", even though most of the people replying to him don't even play the game the same way as everyone else does. He won't be able to grap the idea that he' is is own problem and that "whining on the forums about something he already has the tools to overcome" is not a "play style".
And
-Will then act all mystified at the response he's getting because he can't understand that people have done the same kind of begging and crying he's doing for as much as 14 years.
Well keep on drinking the vitriol. I-¦ll put you down as a not interested in any changes to the war dec mechanic. Thanks for your delightful and insightful views on this topic.
If people are still going on about after 14 years maybe something should be done to improve the system. Or not. But if people have carried on doing that for 14 years, then you really should prepare yourself for the fact that they will keep on doing it for the lifetime of the game. And since this issue appears to trigger you, you might be best recommended to avoid the issue altogether and engage in something productive beyond casting aspersions and throwing insults at other players who have done nothing to you.
Good day to you sir.
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
62141
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Posted - 2017.05.02 20:42:00 -
[73] - Quote
Jenn aSide wrote:
BLAH, BLAH, BLAH .............................
-Bonus: Enter the "White Knights of Co-Dependent Weakness" who always show up anytime anyone (but especially anyone in CODE or GOONs or any null sec alliance) explains to anyone else that they are grown ass people who should be ashamed of the fact that they let a video game make them cry.
And now a spiteful little pleb rushes in with even more venomous contemptible remarks, constantly throwing a temper tantrum in every single thread like a spoiled little brat with hurt feelings.
DMC
'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
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Nicolai Serkanner
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
674
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Posted - 2017.05.02 22:05:10 -
[74] - Quote
Aaron wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:Percy Cuscaden wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote: Instead you chose to whine for a change of game mechanics in your favour. You choose to label anyone who questions anything which might affect your play style as a whiner. Don't bother replying to their accusations or remarks, they whine the loudest because they're the most risk adverse players in the game. If they were actual PvP'ers, they'd be taking Sov in Null Sec. Check their KB record, they only attack the weakest ships in the game. DMC Tough words from someone who is even afraid to join a corp. I'd say he is smart for not joining a corp and remaining NPC. it gives him a very different perspective from yours. I'm sure DMC has lots of tactics that people would do well to try. There's many ways one can choose to play this game no way is right and no way is wrong, it's all about accepting the consequence of your chosen play style.
Does that include AFK mining and Auto-piloting?
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Nicolai Serkanner
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
674
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Posted - 2017.05.02 22:06:11 -
[75] - Quote
Percy Cuscaden wrote:
Good day to you sir.
Jenn is a Lady
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
62153
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Posted - 2017.05.02 22:30:08 -
[76] - Quote
Nicolai Serkanner wrote:Aaron wrote:
I'd say he is smart for not joining a corp and remaining NPC. it gives him a very different perspective from yours. I'm sure DMC has lots of tactics that people would do well to try. There's many ways one can choose to play this game no way is right and no way is wrong, it's all about accepting the consequence of your chosen play style.
Does that include AFK mining and Auto-piloting?
Man, they were really scraping the bottom of the barrel when they picked you.
Nicolai Serkanner wrote:Percy Cuscaden wrote:
Good day to you sir.
Jenn is a Lady
And if you believe that you're an even bigger fool than what you sound like.
DMC
'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
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Teckos Pech
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
6445
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Posted - 2017.05.02 23:08:10 -
[77] - Quote
Cern Audeles wrote:Hi, I love this game but for one thing. The wars. I am in a corp, it's new few veterans we mine explore do missions, but we keep having wars declared against us. They want paying up to a billion ISK to cancelled the wars, we lost half a bill in ships today. So, I am downgrading to alpha, play casual, I love this game, but, i get a ship nice then get jumped by 4 ppl at one and destroyed, its not fun and even with insurance, a loss
What...war decs are largely voluntary. If you don't want to fight leave a alt holding the corp and everyone else drops to NPC corps and play that way until the war dec is over. Create in game chat channels so you can all stay together.
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
8 Golden Rules for EVE Online
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Algathas
Wraithguard.
The Wraithguard.
77
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Posted - 2017.05.02 23:12:46 -
[78] - Quote
Teckos Pech wrote:Cern Audeles wrote:Hi, I love this game but for one thing. The wars. I am in a corp, it's new few veterans we mine explore do missions, but we keep having wars declared against us. They want paying up to a billion ISK to cancelled the wars, we lost half a bill in ships today. So, I am downgrading to alpha, play casual, I love this game, but, i get a ship nice then get jumped by 4 ppl at one and destroyed, its not fun and even with insurance, a loss What...war decs are largely voluntary. If you don't want to fight leave a alt holding the corp and everyone else drops to NPC corps and play that way until the war dec is over. Create in game chat channels so you can all stay together.
Another option too is that you can leave highsec. Most people who wardec generally won't come too far from trade hubs and rarely (if ever) leave highsec. Once you are free of highsec you can laugh at wardeccers as they waste their money. |
Teckos Pech
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
6445
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Posted - 2017.05.02 23:26:15 -
[79] - Quote
There is alot of stupid in that thread.
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
8 Golden Rules for EVE Online
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Teckos Pech
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
6445
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Posted - 2017.05.02 23:30:41 -
[80] - Quote
Percy Cuscaden wrote:Lothros Andastar wrote:
Sorry bub, but CCP stats prove you wrong on that.
Which bit? i. I think the game must lose a lot of casual players who cannot get over the brutal play style ii. The game is pretty healthy right now iii. a) it is certainly not the case that it is dying or b) but I think it could do better
New players (< 15 days) killed illegally (ganked) or legally (war dec, duel) stay longer than those who are not killed at all.
About 1% of new players (<15 days) are ganked. 14% are killed legally, 85% are not killed at all in their first 15 days.
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
8 Golden Rules for EVE Online
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari
End of Life
47689
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Posted - 2017.05.02 23:35:07 -
[81] - Quote
Percy Cuscaden wrote:...I still do not understand why you are all getting so excited about a discussion in the forum which has no bearing on any change which is actually going to lead to implementation at this point.
I am not crying. I may saddened by the lack of quality discourse taking place about this issue, but no tears...
Anyone who spends a fair bit time on the forum sees the same threads over and over and over again, no matter which side of an issue it is discussing.
After the first few times of giving thoughtful, well intended responses that just get shot down by other people, why bother anymore?
If an OP can't search the forum first, see an existing thread and add to it, or ask for it to be opened to add to it, why should anyone, already fatigued by the same stuff yet again, bother to respond in the way the OP hopes? It's all just going to be shot down anyway.
It's the way of the forum. Lots of us like to be here regularly, but it's rare that a thread comes along that hasn't already been argued to death umpteen times.
The umpteenth + 1 time isn't going to be any different.
That's not to say don't post. Post away all you like (and I hope people always post here). Just don't be surprised by the spread of different replies. Each person is just as entitled to their point of view and way of expressing it, as you are. |
Teckos Pech
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
6445
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Posted - 2017.05.02 23:48:03 -
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Percy Cuscaden wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Becuase this is a game about blowing up spaceships and you quite literally come to the forums and whine how you refuse to play it and would rather have it changed because you don't like it.
It seams you have no problem with the sandbox as long as it suits you and as long as you can get ISK from the market where the very demand you profit from is fueled by conflict. But if you become target of that conflict you think you should be able to completely isolate yourself and your friends, because "it's not what you want" while still being able to profit.
I can flip that one right back at you, right now, code loses 1% to every 99% they destroy. Any attempt to address that issue in terms of risk vs. reward is met by derision by your good selves. Any attempt to discuss that or address that issue is met by the same insults and belittling I am seeing.
No, the problem is you do not understand how risk works in the game. Risk is a function of player action. That is, any risk you face is due to your actions. If you do something foolish or imprudent your risk goes up. That you obtain the bad state associated with that risk is due to other players taking advantage of your imprudence. The game was designed this way on purpose.
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
8 Golden Rules for EVE Online
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Jenn aSide
shinigami miners
ChaosTheory.
15765
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Posted - 2017.05.03 00:56:27 -
[83] - Quote
Nicolai Serkanner wrote:Percy Cuscaden wrote:
Good day to you sir.
Jenn is a Lady
Jen is not a lady lol. It's just a picture. |
Jenn aSide
shinigami miners
ChaosTheory.
15765
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Posted - 2017.05.03 01:11:34 -
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Percy Cuscaden wrote:
Well keep on drinking the vitriol. I-¦ll put you down as a not interested in any changes to the war dec mechanic. Thanks for your delightful and insightful views on this topic.
You can "put down" anything you like, but it doesn't change the fact of what you are doing here. I honestly don't give a flip about what CCP does with war decs or anything to do with that massive cesspit called high sec. I simply find it annoying that grown people have such a hard time with simple things. I haven't failed to notice how the majority of people who whine and can't do anything for themselves also call high security space home in this game.
Quote:
If people are still going on about after 14 years maybesomething should be done to improve the system. Or not. But if people have carried on doing that for 14 years, then you really should prepare yourself for the fact that they will keep on doing it for the lifetime of the game. And since this issue appears to trigger you, you might be best recommended to avoid the issue altogether and engage in something productive beyond casting aspersions and throwing insults at other players who have done nothing to you.
Good day to you sir.
People have been complain about a lot for the last 14 years while also proclaiming that EVE is dying (and the only way to save it is of course to change the game in a way that oddly and suspiciously enough aligns with their specific complaints about the game). People being to weak and mentally soft to figure out their problems isn't a CCP issue, it's a personal one.
Which brings me to the point of why I highlighted your words above. CCP DID do something about war decs, several times actually. You want to know the result?
The result is the current status quo ie its the same as it always was (making CCPs efforts to change war decs in the pass turn out to be wasted time, money and DEV work). You want to know why that is? It's because of the Constant, the common denominator that ALWAYS thwarts changes CCP or any other group of developers make.
Humans.
No matter what you do, humans are going to find a way to do what they want. No in game mechanic change is going to stop people from finding a way to screw with hapeless folk like you Percy. Because no mechanic change is going to make you realize that the problem isn't the game, it's you (or more specifically, it's the flaws in the way you think about things that is n open invitation to the kinds of people who war dec to come in and make you upset).
So while you go on and on about the mechanics, those of us who know what's really going on will keep telling you that you are wrong, you have the tools to win out against these people, folks do it all the time which is why you will notice that sometimes war deccers are frustrated by lack of targets. Those people who frustrate them have the proper mentality to thumb their noses at the deccers and keep playing their game they want....
....And all without typing one word on this forum or any other.
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Percy Cuscaden wrote:...I still do not understand why you are all getting so excited about a discussion in the forum which has no bearing on any change which is actually going to lead to implementation at this point.
I am not crying. I may saddened by the lack of quality discourse taking place about this issue, but no tears... Anyone who spends a fair bit time on the forum sees the same threads over and over and over again, no matter which side of an issue it is discussing. After the first few times of giving thoughtful, well intended responses that just get shot down by other people, why bother anymore? If an OP can't search the forum first, see an existing thread and add to it, or ask for it to be opened to add to it, why should anyone, already fatigued by the same stuff yet again, bother to respond in the way the OP hopes? It's all just going to be shot down anyway. It's the way of the forum. Lots of us like to be here regularly, but it's rare that a thread comes along that hasn't already been argued to death umpteen times. The umpteenth + 1 time isn't going to be any different. Edit: After reading back through a few pages, yeah there are plenty of tears.
Forums are about opinions written right or wrong by someone else's opinion. The threads usually are closed before you could add to them.
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Tough words from someone who is even afraid to join a corp.
Heh, your constant vile blusterous posturing indicates you're just compensating for lack of RL-Peen. DMC
I especially like how you always rush in your alts to like your own posts if you feel threatened. Did it hurt so much to hear the truth? 
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Kaeden 3142 wrote:Forums are about opinions written right or wrong by someone else's opinion. The threads usually are closed before you could add to them.
A couple of years ago I would agree with you on the closing of threads. Not so much anymore.
This thread, which would have been closed half way down page 1 a couple of years ago is well into Page 5 now. It's the same for many threads now.
The reputation of moderation here was well earned, but the practice hasn't been anywhere near as harsh for a long time.
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I can flip that one right back at you, right now, code loses 1% to every 99% they destroy. Any attempt to address that issue in terms of risk vs. reward is met by derision by your good selves. Any attempt to discuss that or address that issue is met by the same insults and belittling I am seeing.
They rarely bother destroying things that aren't semi afk, badly tanked and overloaded. All of which are the real contributors to the ratio.
If you go even further, you have to wonder why one freighter is carrying a random load of goods one way through the choke, and more or less the same load is going the other way in another one. ie people keep freighting things that don't change value when they do, which is pure risk with no reward.
When I use my freighter it very rarely goes through a choke, and if it does, it purely has a low value bulk load of the thing that _can't_ be got regionally for a reasonable price. It doesn't have expensive blueprints, piles of salvage or other things that easily fit into a cloak warper.
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Sorry, I will never agree that allowing a huge alliance to war dec a small 2 player corp is "fun". You can paint that anyway you want, but it simply is not. It just means I dock up for the week with that character.
Set the dec corp to -10, go run combat exploration for a week in a region you've never lived in before. You can do that with a weeks training in cruisers. Exploration naturally leads you to local chats with few people in them even in highsec (so the deccers stand out), and moving around perpetually invalidates locations from agents - and moving around through lowpop regions tells you when a neutral is tracking you too. A t1 cruiser is perfectly acceptable for highsec exploration, and honestly, you are that poor you can't afford to lose a 30m fitted cruiser ?
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"Please come back so that we can all die together against insurmountable odds in a completely unbalanced fight." - Sadly, I do not see that one working.
Except that you can wait around afk cloaked all day in the systems that the deccers use because they are also predictable, and after a while, YOU become annoying. You'll constrain actions against other decs that they are running simaltaneously, and you may spot an opportunity to engage. ie you can be background annoying the exact way the dec is background annoying to you.
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Yes, for an experienced PvP corp all the above is true. Neither I nor my friend are experienced PvPers. We do not pretend to be.
How does one get experience ?
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Anything which goes against your doctrine view of the game is classified as whining. I received that message loud and clear.
it is a massively multiplayer pvp game. You _have_ to acknowledge the existence of others in your sandbox. The whole value structure of the things you do in highsec, particularly the things you buy that you can't cause to drop yourself is set by the pvp nature of the game.
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:I especially like how you always rush in your alts to like your own posts if you feel threatened. Did it hurt so much to hear the truth?
You couldn't be more wrong even if you tried. Unfortunately I don't have enough alts to match the numbers.
But hey, thanks for telling me how you meta-game the forums.
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:I especially like how you always rush in your alts to like your own posts if you feel threatened. Did it hurt so much to hear the truth? You couldn't be more wrong even if you tried. Unfortunately I don't have enough alts to match the numbers. But hey, thanks for telling me how you meta-game the forums.
I just think it is quite pathetic to like your own posts because you think that reinforces your weak point. Don't bother to lie about it it's quite obvious. Not sure why you think this has something to do with meta-gaming.
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Jenn aSide wrote:Ah, high sec war dec complaint thread # 4,612,491, right on time.
And If I dare suggest people try the other 84.5% of New Eden space that isn't high sec (while at the same time supposedly being SAFER THAN HIGH SEC according to just about everyone in high sec), well that's just wrong, ain't it...
Hi, I think you are new to EVE Online so I'll explain it to you :
1.0 -> 0.5 : High Sec, PVE Region, is controlled by one of the 4 Races (Gallente-Caldari/Amarr-Minmatar)
0.4 -> .01 : Low Sec, PVE/PVP hybrid region, here power is more and more transferred to the players. Also the region where bad/idiot players are driven if they loose security status but that mechanics has been avoided by alting and will be severely negated by the alpha accounts as soon as the slow people one day will come to understand the world of no holds barred ganking opportunities that arise from it.
0.0 -> -0.9 : Nullsec , PVP Region completely controlled by players.
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:I especially like how you always rush in your alts to like your own posts if you feel threatened. Did it hurt so much to hear the truth? You couldn't be more wrong even if you tried. Unfortunately I don't have enough alts to match the numbers. But hey, thanks for telling me how you meta-game the forums. I just think it is quite pathetic to like your own posts because you think that reinforces your weak point. Don't bother to lie about it it's quite obvious. Not sure why you think this has something to do with meta-gaming.
What's pathetic is you actually believe what you're saying.
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Percy Cuscaden wrote:
The forums are a valid forum for discussing the game.
Threads such as these draw in forum warriors like moths to a flame. They want a soapbox not a discussion.
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Aedaxus wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Ah, high sec war dec complaint thread # 4,612,491, right on time.
And If I dare suggest people try the other 84.5% of New Eden space that isn't high sec (while at the same time supposedly being SAFER THAN HIGH SEC according to just about everyone in high sec), well that's just wrong, ain't it... Hi, I think you are new to EVE Online so I'll explain it to you : 1.0 -> 0.5 : High Sec, PVE Region, is controlled by one of the 4 Races (Gallente-Caldari/Amarr-Minmatar) 0.4 -> .01 : Low Sec, PVE/PVP hybrid region, here power is more and more transferred to the players. Also the region where bad/idiot players are driven if they loose security status but that mechanics has been avoided by alting and will be severely negated by the alpha accounts as soon as the slow people one day will come to understand the world of no holds barred ganking opportunities that arise from it. 0.0 -> -0.9 : Nullsec , PVP Region completely controlled by players.
This is not WOW, EVE does not have PvE and PvP regions, it is a competitive multiplayer sandbox. The only difference in the regions are the game mechanics and the attack surface you have because of them for other players which is also known as the "risk" which is then used to balance resources and mission rewards in said regions.
0.0 -> -1.0 : Nullsec/Wspace: no NPC interference in player combat
04 -> 0.1: Lowsec: direct NPC interference from gate guns and stations. non-consensual combat leads to security status loss
1.0 -> 0.5 : Highsec: complecated PvP mechanics involving multiple different NPC instances to react based on non-consensual combat, security status or faction standing. Wardec mechanics to allow for conflict without NPC interaction between player coorporations and alliances.
You can also see very clearly from the above list why Higshec combat and especially the brave people who kill others in the face of CONCORD is considered elite PvP. I mean seriously, it's like PvP in those other places is on easy mode if you look at it this way.
So you had it completely backwards. Actually nullsec is the PvP beginner area and Highsec is where the elite PvP content is.
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:Actually nullsec is the PvP beginner area and Highsec is where the elite PvP content is.
Hmmm...
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Tough words from someone who is even afraid to join a corp.
Heh, your constant vile blusterous posturing indicates you're just compensating for lack of RL-Peen. DMC I especially like how you always rush in your alts to like your own posts if you feel threatened. Did it hurt so much to hear the truth?
OMG dude I wasn't going to say anything, but I noticed that too. How freaking pathetic is that?
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Jenn aSide wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Tough words from someone who is even afraid to join a corp.
Heh, your constant vile blusterous posturing indicates you're just compensating for lack of RL-Peen. DMC I especially like how you always rush in your alts to like your own posts if you feel threatened. Did it hurt so much to hear the truth? OMG dude I wasn't going to say anything, but I noticed that too. How freaking pathetic is that?
Pffft.
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Jenn aSide wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Tough words from someone who is even afraid to join a corp.
Heh, your constant vile blusterous posturing indicates you're just compensating for lack of RL-Peen. DMC I especially like how you always rush in your alts to like your own posts if you feel threatened. Did it hurt so much to hear the truth? OMG dude I wasn't going to say anything, but I noticed that too. How freaking pathetic is that?
Pretty pathetic for sure. But at least he is consistent, lol
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Pffft.
Did you just lose all the air?
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:Pffft. Did you just lose all the air?
Yeah, I passed some gas.
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Aedaxus wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Ah, high sec war dec complaint thread # 4,612,491, right on time.
And If I dare suggest people try the other 84.5% of New Eden space that isn't high sec (while at the same time supposedly being SAFER THAN HIGH SEC according to just about everyone in high sec), well that's just wrong, ain't it... Hi, I think you are new to EVE Online so I'll explain it to you : 1.0 -> 0.5 : High Sec, PVE Region, is controlled by one of the 4 Races (Gallente-Caldari/Amarr-Minmatar) 0.4 -> .01 : Low Sec, PVE/PVP hybrid region, here power is more and more transferred to the players. Also the region where bad/idiot players are driven if they loose security status but that mechanics has been avoided by alting and will be severely negated by the alpha accounts as soon as the slow people one day will come to understand the world of no holds barred ganking opportunities that arise from it. 0.0 -> -0.9 : Nullsec , PVP Region completely controlled by players.
What kind of trolling is this?
And there is no such thing as a 'pvp region' in EVE. I notice a bunch of high sec partisans using this term recently, which is related to the much older (but equally stupid) idea that "if someone wants pvp they should go to low/WH/null sec".
EVe Online has allowed non-consensual pvp everywhere since day one. If there was a "PVE area" in EVE, it would be easy yo find because your guns would steadfastly refuse to shoot characters controlled by other human beings. But no such place exist in the mechanics, and the only places like that that do exist are merely policy exceptions (rookie systems and the SOE arc).
I mostly PVE (turns out that NPC pirates like Angels and Guristas are actually smarter than real people, I have yet to see an NPC on this forum complain about how much I'm ganking them for their deadspace loot....which is all the time lol), so people ask why I care.
The truth is that I find people who try to "rhetoric their way out of reality" (ie these high sec folks who would rather argue about core game mechanics rather than learn the game and learn to deal with their own personal faults) to be the most irritating kind of people I could imagine. The truth is that they are emotionally impotent people who wouldn't have the problem they complain about so much if they spent their time learning rather than complaining.
And frankly, I enjoy their reactions when people expose them to the truth, it's seriously like watching a vampire realize he's not in a coffin, but rather he's in a tanning booth.
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Jenn aSide wrote:What kind of trolling is this? I have yet to see an NPC on this forum complain about how much I'm ganking them for their deadspace loot. The truth is that I find people who try to "rhetoric their way out of reality" (ie these high sec folks who would rather argue about core game mechanics rather than learn the game and learn to deal with their own personal faults) to be the most irritating kind of people I could imagine. The truth is that they are emotionally impotent people who wouldn't have the problem they complain about so much if they spent their time learning rather than complaining. And frankly, I enjoy their reactions when people expose them to the truth, it's seriously like watching a vampire realize he's not in a coffin, but rather he's in a tanning booth.
Basic trolling I guess, like in "They see me trollin', they hatin'". NPC's aren't humans. Just saying. They don't care because they are emotionally impotent unlike highsec carebears. I don't argue about core game mechanics, I just state how CCP implemented a game. Also I only played for 10 years so I still have a lot to learn about EVE Online.
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Its not trolling.
They just dont understand how EVE works.
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Wtf does EVE have to with emotions?
EVE is all about emotions Salvos. And it manages to trigger emotions in a way no other game does. Some people don't like that, so they want to tone it down and make EVE boring and emotionally dull like all those other games, just because they can't handle a ship loss or even the simple thought of losing one.
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:Wtf does EVE have to with emotions? EVE is all about emotions Salvos. And it manages to trigger emotions in a way no other game does. Some people don't like that, so they want to tone it down and make EVE boring and emotionally dull like all those other games, just because they can't handle a ship loss or even the simple thought of losing one.
What does "emotionally incompetent" mean?
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:Wtf does EVE have to with emotions? EVE is all about emotions Salvos. And it manages to trigger emotions in a way no other game does. Some people don't like that, so they want to tone it down and make EVE boring and emotionally dull like all those other games, just because they can't handle a ship loss or even the simple thought of losing one.
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Aedaxus wrote:Even Internet has sites that make me want to cry and sob and sit in a corner..
Did the internets make you cry and sob in a corner? :(
So sad... :(
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Its not trolling.
They just dont yet understand how EVE works.? I can't ingest that a 10 year old capsuleer writes "Highsec is a PvE area" for reasons other than trolling. And he waves that 10 years like it would signify wisdom and experience, thus reliability in such matters.
Though.. you may be right. He may not be a troll. Let me test..
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Yebo Lakatosh wrote:I can't ingest that a 10 year old capsuleer writes "Highsec is a PvE area" for reasons other than trolling.
Its a 10yr vet? Yeah, should know better by now.
I didnt bother to check background.
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Me neither. :]
Aedaxus wrote:Also I only played for 10 years so I still have a lot to learn about EVE Online.
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Yebo Lakatosh wrote:[quote=Salvos Rhoska]Aedaxus, please contract me your ISK and valuables! I want to teach you something super-useful, but I need your stuff as a first step.
You mean that scamming ingame is allowed? Even in high sec? But ... but not in a 1.0 like Jita right? Right? ;P
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Aedaxus wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:What kind of trolling is this? I have yet to see an NPC on this forum complain about how much I'm ganking them for their deadspace loot. The truth is that I find people who try to "rhetoric their way out of reality" (ie these high sec folks who would rather argue about core game mechanics rather than learn the game and learn to deal with their own personal faults) to be the most irritating kind of people I could imagine. The truth is that they are emotionally impotent people who wouldn't have the problem they complain about so much if they spent their time learning rather than complaining. And frankly, I enjoy their reactions when people expose them to the truth, it's seriously like watching a vampire realize he's not in a coffin, but rather he's in a tanning booth. Basic trolling I guess, like in "They see me trollin', they hatin'". NPC's aren't humans. Just saying. They don't care because they are emotionally impotent unlike highsec carebears. I don't argue about core game mechanics, I just state how CCP implemented a game. Also I only played for 10 years so I still have a lot to learn about EVE Online. [img]https://i.imgflip.com/1oc56q.jpg[/img]via Imgflip Meme Generator
I'm amazed you still think Hisec is a "PvE area" and nulsec is a "PvP Area" after **cough** "10 years" playing.
Most PvE money as far as i'm aware comes from nulsec, by a huge margin. Please explain how Hisec is the "PvE area", as if something like that even exists.
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Wtf does "emotionally incompetent" mean?
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Wtf does "emotionally incompetent" mean?
At the most basic i'd say it means "unable to keep emotions under control".
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:Wtf does EVE have to with emotions? EVE is all about emotions Salvos. And it manages to trigger emotions in a way no other game does. Some people don't like that, so they want to tone it down and make EVE boring and emotionally dull like all those other games, just because they can't handle a ship loss or even the simple thought of losing one.
Damn, that's spot on. Though I would add "they only THINK they want it dull, if it actually became dull, they'd leave and go find another game that is exciting that they can then lobby to make dull so they can leave that one too". Because people don't actually know what they like.
Isn't that really the difference between good players and bad players? Bad players have these false , idealistic and utopian ideas of how things are 'supposed to work' and good players just see the raw reality and act accordingly (or choose to not play video games they don't like in the 1st place). |
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Keno Skir wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:Wtf does "emotionally incompetent" mean? At the most basic i'd say it means "unable to keep emotions under control".
Thanks.
But that would be "emotionally incontinent".
"Incompetent" means something else.
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Keno Skir wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:Wtf does "emotionally incompetent" mean? At the most basic i'd say it means "unable to keep emotions under control". Thanks. But that would be "emotionally incontinent". "Incompetent" means something else.
So you're telling everyone that in addition to not being able to read, you don't have a good grasp of English to begin with? No one would use the word Incontinent that way.
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Jenn aSide wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:Keno Skir wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:Wtf does "emotionally incompetent" mean? At the most basic i'd say it means "unable to keep emotions under control". Thanks. But that would be "emotionally incontinent". "Incompetent" means something else. So you're telling everyone that in addition to not being able to read, you don't have a good grasp of English to begin with? No one would use the word Incontinent that way.
Incompetent doesn't mean what you think it means.
It has a specific meaning in English.
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Keno Skir wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:Wtf does "emotionally incompetent" mean? At the most basic i'd say it means "unable to keep emotions under control". Thanks. But that would be "emotionally incontinent". "Incompetent" means something else.
Are you gona Salvosch this thread now with your incoherent ramblings about linguistic stuff no one but you has a problem understanding?
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eww, he already started
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:I especially like how you always rush in your alts to like your own posts if you feel threatened. Did it hurt so much to hear the truth? You couldn't be more wrong even if you tried. Unfortunately I don't have enough alts to match the numbers. But hey, thanks for telling me how you meta-game the forums. I just think it is quite pathetic to like your own posts because you think that reinforces your weak point. Don't bother to lie about it it's quite obvious. Not sure why you think this has something to do with meta-gaming.
I always give DMC likes. 4 so far in this thread alone.
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Are you gona Salvosch this thread now with your incoherent ramblings about linguistic stuff no one but you has a problem understanding?
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eww, he already started
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Jenn aSide wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Are you gona Salvosch this thread now with your incoherent ramblings about linguistic stuff no one but you has a problem understanding?
EDIT:
eww, he already started
There comes a point where it's not even amusing anymore, there's something really wrong going on with all that.
Incompetence, incontinence and impotence are completely different terms.
Sorry if that offends your liberal understanding of language and expression, but its a fact.
There is nothing amusing about people misusing language, and then refusing to accept culpability for that.
Own up to your mistake.
Don't be emotionally upset when you are called on them, just admit it, correct yourself, and we can all move on.
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Jenn aSide wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Are you gona Salvosch this thread now with your incoherent ramblings about linguistic stuff no one but you has a problem understanding?
EDIT:
eww, he already started
There comes a point where it's not even amusing anymore, there's something really wrong going on with all that.
From google;
incompetent
adjective
1. not having or showing the necessary skills to do something successfully.
So, emotionally incompetent means one has difficulty keeping emotions in check.
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:There is nothing amusing about people misusing language
There is nothing amusing about people constantly derailing threads with their off-topic ramblings about stuff no one but you has a problem understanding. I don't even care what the exact definition is in your hand picked gramar book, it was absolutely clear to everyone except you what Jen was talking about if you are not completely linguistically incompetent.
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:There is nothing amusing about people misusing language There is nothing amusing about people constantly derailing threads with their off-topic ramblings about stuff no one but you has a problem understanding. I don't even care what the exact definition is in your hand picked gramar book, it was absolutely clear to everyone except you what Jen was talking about if you are not completely linguistically incompetent .
Pfftt.
What is "emotional incompetence" even supposed to mean?
And why apply it to EVE players?
This is a GAME, not a therapy group.
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:There is nothing amusing about people misusing language There is nothing amusing about people constantly derailing threads with their off-topic ramblings about stuff no one but you has a problem understanding. I don't even care what the exact definition is in your hand picked gramar book, it was absolutely clear to everyone except you what Jen was talking about if you are not completely linguistically incompetent . Pfftt. What is "emotional incompetence" even supposed to mean?
Sorry I meant linguistically incontinent
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:There is nothing amusing about people misusing language There is nothing amusing about people constantly derailing threads with their off-topic ramblings about stuff no one but you has a problem understanding. I don't even care what the exact definition is in your hand picked gramar book, it was absolutely clear to everyone except you what Jen was talking about if you are not completely linguistically incompetent . Pfftt. What is "emotional incompetence" even supposed to mean? Sorry I meant linguistically incontinent
Yes, she is linguistically incompetent.
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Hmm, I am never keen on folk picking on, or correcting other folks grammar or spelling.
I think it says more about the critic than it does the person making the mistake.
A sort of schoolyard one-upmanship really.
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Hmm, I am never keen on folk picking on, or correcting other folks grammar or spelling.
I think it says more about the critic than it does the person making the mistake.
A sort of schoolyard one-upmanship really.
It's all in how you view it. A schoolboy might see it as a competition, an adult should be thankful when somebody helps them correct an error in their education, such as spelling.
To be angry at someone for correcting you, is to show yourself to be more concerned with outward appearances than education, which is sad 
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Keno Skir wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Hmm, I am never keen on folk picking on, or correcting other folks grammar or spelling.
I think it says more about the critic than it does the person making the mistake.
A sort of schoolyard one-upmanship really. It's all in how you view it. A schoolboy might see it as a competition, an adult should be thankful when somebody helps them correct an error in their education, such as spelling. To be angry at someone for correcting you, is to show yourself to be more concerned with outward appearances than education, which is sad
Hmm, no one seems to have seen my post earlier.
Salvos is also correct based on the google definition of the word incontinence. Sometimes words can have multiple meanings, if one chooses to ignore the other meanings of a word then people can get confused.
I used to get into these debates with my ex as she would choose to ignore the secondary and tertiary meanings of words like "accept".
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Aaron wrote:Keno Skir wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Hmm, I am never keen on folk picking on, or correcting other folks grammar or spelling.
I think it says more about the critic than it does the person making the mistake.
A sort of schoolyard one-upmanship really. It's all in how you view it. A schoolboy might see it as a competition, an adult should be thankful when somebody helps them correct an error in their education, such as spelling. To be angry at someone for correcting you, is to show yourself to be more concerned with outward appearances than education, which is sad Hmm, no one seems to have seen my post earlier. In my opinion no correction was needed. Salvos is also correct based on the google definition of the word incontinence. Sometimes words can have multiple meanings, if one chooses to ignore the other meanings of a word then people can get confused. I used to get into these debates with my ex as she would choose to ignore the secondary and tertiary meanings of words like "accept". examples on the word accept; you can say "I accept your proposal" which means you want whats being offered. or one can say "I accept he had a bad attitude" which means you're just acknowledging the situation for what it is, It does not mean you want the persons bad attitude.
Oh i didn't really pay attention to what was being corrected, was just chiming in to defend good education. I didn't agree that correcting someone's spelling or grammar is "picking on" them.
EDIT : I happen to have a built in confusion over the spelling of Shield and inevitably bounce the I to different positions to see what looks right. If someone pointed it out every time i used it incorrectly i'd probably get it out of my system quicker..
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Aaron wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:I especially like how you always rush in your alts to like your own posts if you feel threatened. Did it hurt so much to hear the truth? You couldn't be more wrong even if you tried. Unfortunately I don't have enough alts to match the numbers. But hey, thanks for telling me how you meta-game the forums. I just think it is quite pathetic to like your own posts because you think that reinforces your weak point. Don't bother to lie about it it's quite obvious. Not sure why you think this has something to do with meta-gaming. I always give DMC likes. 4 so far in this thread alone.
Thanks Aaron,
There's about 10 different characters that gave likes to my various replies in this thread.
Obviously Ima Wreckyou and Jenn aSide have their heads shoved so far up their neither regions they're not only blind as a bat but also twice as dumb as a doornail. The fact that all they can do is post vile sarcastic troll remarks with false accusations shows they suffer from a lack of self worth. Their only recourse is to demean and belittle everyone else in an attempt to compensate for their own inadequacies. Their constant posting of disgust and contempt towards others only proves that point.
If it wasn't so pathetic and comical I'd actually feel sorry for them.
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Cern Audeles wrote:Hi, I love this game but for one thing. The wars. I am in a corp, it's new few veterans we mine explore do missions, but we keep having wars declared against us. They want paying up to a billion ISK to cancelled the wars, we lost half a bill in ships today. So, I am downgrading to alpha, play casual, I love this game, but, i get a ship nice then get jumped by 4 ppl at one and destroyed, its not fun and even with insurance, a loss
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Thanks Aaron,
There's about 10 different characters that gave likes to my various replies in this thread.
Obviously Ima Wreckyou and Jenn aSide have their heads shoved so far up their neither regions they're not only blind as a bat but also twice as dumb as a doornail. The fact that all they can do is post vile sarcastic troll remarks with false accusations shows they suffer from a lack of self worth. Their only recourse is to demean and belittle everyone else in an attempt to compensate for their own inadequacies. Their constant posting of disgust and contempt towards others only proves that point.
If it wasn't so pathetic and comical I'd actually feel sorry for them.
DMC
I also like some of DMC's posts and I concur with DMC on his definition of Ima Wreckyou and Jenn aSnide which is why his post above got another like from me.
In terms of wars, Aaron's suggestion is a good one and I would suggest that the OP have a look at this
In terms of the war itself the issue is simply that the aggressor is in a desperate search for something to shoot so they war dec anything that they see is active and hope that you go through the main pipes or go to the trade hubs or use the main mission hubs, all you do is train up alts to do that for you and you are golden, but like many things in this game it is a big negative to those who are new or more casual in that they have only one account.
Wars should be fought over a difference or an objective, but the thing is that the objective for most war deckers is to find something to blap even pods, shuttles and noob ships will do, that is the issue and their prey has no interest in that totally stale game play. In other words it is the players...
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Jenn aSide wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Are you gona Salvosch this thread now with your incoherent ramblings about linguistic stuff no one but you has a problem understanding?
EDIT:
eww, he already started
There comes a point where it's not even amusing anymore, there's something really wrong going on with all that.
This is nonsense.
Teckos, Jonah, baltec1, you two and the thrice damned Tippia are all famous for arguments over semantics/definitions on many occasions.
I agree its not amusing. Its not supposed to be.
But it is sometimes necessary.
In this case, you used the wrong term.
Just own up to it and move on.
As to "liking", my browser doesnt even show the "like" button since a couple months now, and cba to update it.
Its also hypocritical to posture as if you guys dont give reach-around likes to each other all the time.
You brought up liking. You made a huge noise about your own mistaken use of language when called out on it.
Just own up to it and let the thread return to topic.
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Dracvlad wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:
There's about 10 different characters that gave likes to my various replies in this thread.
Obviously Ima Wreckyou and Jenn aSide have their heads shoved so far up their neither regions they're not only blind as a bat but also twice as dumb as a doornail. The fact that all they can do is post vile sarcastic troll remarks with false accusations shows they suffer from a lack of self worth. Their only recourse is to demean and belittle everyone else in an attempt to compensate for their own inadequacies. Their constant posting of disgust and contempt towards others only proves that point.
If it wasn't so pathetic and comical I'd actually feel sorry for them.
I also like some of DMC's posts and I concur with DMC on his definition of Ima Wreckyou and Jenn aSnide which is why his post above got another like from me.
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:Dracvlad wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:
There's about 10 different characters that gave likes to my various replies in this thread.
Obviously Ima Wreckyou and Jenn aSide have their heads shoved so far up their neither regions they're not only blind as a bat but also twice as dumb as a doornail. The fact that all they can do is post vile sarcastic troll remarks with false accusations shows they suffer from a lack of self worth. Their only recourse is to demean and belittle everyone else in an attempt to compensate for their own inadequacies. Their constant posting of disgust and contempt towards others only proves that point.
If it wasn't so pathetic and comical I'd actually feel sorry for them.
I also like some of DMC's posts and I concur with DMC on his definition of Ima Wreckyou and Jenn aSnide which is why his post above got another like from me. Team alternate reality in full force.
But you wrongly accused DMC of liking his own posts, bet you feel stupid now..., actually you don't, but you should...
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Dracvlad wrote:But you wrongly accused DMC of liking his own posts, bet you feel stupid now..., actually you don't, but you should...
It's pretty obvious he liked his own posts. There where maybe 0-4 likes on the average posts of him. Except when he got really angry and annoyed he constantly had 7 right off the bat without you or Aaron or anyone else who would care about his toxic statements around in the thread. This is not the first thread this happened.
While it is pretty pathetic and shows how insecure he is it's also not really interesting. I just wanted to mention it because I think it is hilarious and then we could all forget about it again. But it seams he wants to talk a bit more about it by defending himself with an obvious lie.
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Obviously Ima Wreckyou and Jenn aSide have their heads shoved so far up their neither regions they're not only blind as a bat but also twice as dumb as a doornail.
There is an advantage to having their head shoved up your nether region as opposed to being a nether region.
They can always remove their head and are all fine.
You'll be an arse forever.
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:Dracvlad wrote:But you wrongly accused DMC of liking his own posts, bet you feel stupid now..., actually you don't, but you should... It's pretty obvious he liked his own posts. There where maybe 0-4 likes on the average posts of him. Except when he got really angry and annoyed he constantly had 7 right off the bat without you or Aaron or anyone else who would care about his toxic statements around in the thread. This is not the first thread this happened. While it is pretty pathetic and shows how insecure he is it's also not really interesting. I just wanted to mention it because I think it is hilarious and then we could all forget about it again. But it seams he wants to talk a bit more about it by defending himself with an obvious lie.
What is actually pathetic are these lame attempts at personal attacks, and what's pretty obvious is you won't address what he's saying but instead go for the cheap character headshot. You say there's some alternate reality going on in this thread, but really you're just seeing outside your own bubble.
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Mr Mieyli wrote:What is actually pathetic are these lame attempts at personal attacks, and what's pretty obvious is you won't address what he's saying but instead go for the cheap character headshot. You say there's some alternate reality going on in this thread, but really you're just seeing outside your own bubble.
Please go back and read his posts before you start to write more nonsense. The only guy who does personal attacks here is DMC himself. I just noticed that he likes his vial responses with his own alts to make it look more credible, which I find pretty pathetic.
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:The only guy who does personal attacks here is DMC himself.
:DDDDD
Cmon, man.
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Dracvlad wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:Dracvlad wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:
There's about 10 different characters that gave likes to my various replies in this thread.
Obviously Ima Wreckyou and Jenn aSide have their heads shoved so far up their neither regions they're not only blind as a bat but also twice as dumb as a doornail. The fact that all they can do is post vile sarcastic troll remarks with false accusations shows they suffer from a lack of self worth. Their only recourse is to demean and belittle everyone else in an attempt to compensate for their own inadequacies. Their constant posting of disgust and contempt towards others only proves that point.
If it wasn't so pathetic and comical I'd actually feel sorry for them.
I also like some of DMC's posts and I concur with DMC on his definition of Ima Wreckyou and Jenn aSnide which is why his post above got another like from me. Team alternate reality in full force. But you wrongly accused DMC of liking his own posts, bet you feel stupid now..., actually you don't, but you should...
Thanks Dracvlad,
Obviously a lot of players agree with that assessment of them. Course as true trolls they'll continue spewing out their bilge, even after being proved wrong. Their immaturity makes it paramount for them to get in the last word so it looks like they're correct. When normal players eventually grow tired of seeing their crap and stop replying, they claim it as a victory. To them it's all about boosting their own Epeen due to their overwhelming lack of self esteem. That's why they're so angry, spiteful and resentful towards others. It's sad really,they have nothing else to contribute but vile sarcastic insults.
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Shae Tadaruwa wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:Obviously Ima Wreckyou and Jenn aSide have their heads shoved so far up their neither regions they're not only blind as a bat but also twice as dumb as a doornail. There is an advantage to having their head shoved up their nether region as opposed to being a nether region. They can always remove their head and are all fine. You'll be an arse forever.
Yeah, I have to agree since it takes one to know one and you're the biggest one of all.
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:Mr Mieyli wrote:What is actually pathetic are these lame attempts at personal attacks, and what's pretty obvious is you won't address what he's saying but instead go for the cheap character headshot. You say there's some alternate reality going on in this thread, but really you're just seeing outside your own bubble. Please go back and read his posts before you start to write more nonsense. The only guy who does personal attacks here is DMC himself. I just noticed that he likes his vial responses with his own alts to make it look more credible, which I find pretty pathetic.
Mr Mieyli is correct. It shouldn't surprise you that for every action there's an equal reaction. It takes Two To Tango and you started this dance, just like you do in every thread. You really should take those blinders off and read the bullcrap you write before posting.
By the way, your pathological lying only makes you look even worse.
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This thread has a plethora of people who I usually agree with, and a plethora of people who I usually disagree with.
Now (nearly) all of them descended to petty nitpicking and useless mudthrowing.
I approve this behavior, please all of you please continue!
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Yebo Lakatosh wrote:This thread has a plethora of people who I usually agree with, and a plethora of people who I usually disagree with.
Now (nearly) all of them descended to petty nitpicking and useless mudthrowing.
I approve this behavior, please all of you please continue!
This is now a forum war thread.
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Was it anything else? I missed the first few pages, but arrived in time for the important bits.
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:Mr Mieyli wrote:What is actually pathetic are these lame attempts at personal attacks, and what's pretty obvious is you won't address what he's saying but instead go for the cheap character headshot. You say there's some alternate reality going on in this thread, but really you're just seeing outside your own bubble. Please go back and read his posts before you start to write more nonsense. The only guy who does personal attacks here is DMC himself. I just noticed that he likes his vial responses with his own alts to make it look more credible, which I find pretty pathetic. Mr Mieyli is correct. It shouldn't surprise you that for every action there's an equal reaction. It takes Two To Tango and you started this dance, just like you do in every thread. You really should take those blinders off and read the bullcrap you write before posting. By the way, your pathological lying only makes you look even worse.
You should really calm down a bit. I only pointed out how pathetic it is that you like your own posts with your alts. Looks like that really got to you as it ended once again with some toxic posts from you about someones reproduction organs.
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:I only pointed out how pathetic it is that you like your own posts with your alts.
Can you indicate me what hacks you use to get the Identities behind the likes also how do you link alts to accounts? Seems you are breaking the EULA or are spouting lies as usual, what shall it be today?
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:Mr Mieyli wrote:What is actually pathetic are these lame attempts at personal attacks, and what's pretty obvious is you won't address what he's saying but instead go for the cheap character headshot. You say there's some alternate reality going on in this thread, but really you're just seeing outside your own bubble. Please go back and read his posts before you start to write more nonsense. The only guy who does personal attacks here is DMC himself. I just noticed that he likes his vial responses with his own alts to make it look more credible, which I find pretty pathetic. Mr Mieyli is correct. It shouldn't surprise you that for every action there's an equal reaction. It takes Two To Tango and you started this dance, just like you do in every thread. You really should take those blinders off and read the bullcrap you write before posting. By the way, your pathological lying only makes you look even worse. You should really calm down a bit. I only pointed out how pathetic it is that you like your own posts with your alts. Looks like that really got to you as it ended once again with some toxic posts from you about someones reproduction organs.
Wow, you seriously fail at Reading Comprehension. I understand you're trying to save face by presenting your own hostility as if it was mine. However you're really off base about that. And about the likes, still trying to present that as factual truth even after other players have already said otherwise just makes you look foolish. Doesn't matter how many times you post that lie, it still won't be true. Obviously you're desperately reaching for anything in an attempt to redirect negative focus onto me. Reproductive organs ? Gawd man, that is really feeble. Guess you just don't know when to walk away.
DMC
'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
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Zanar Skwigelf
Boa Innovations
Brothers of Tangra
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Posted - 2017.05.04 14:39:41 -
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Aedaxus wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:I only pointed out how pathetic it is that you like your own posts with your alts. Can you indicate me what hacks you use to get the Identities behind the likes also how do you link alts to accounts? Seems you are breaking the EULA or are spouting lies as usual, what shall it be today?
I haven't looked at DMC's posts in this thread so it doesn't apply here but there are people on these forums that have exactly 1 like for every single one of their posts. These posts are also typically contrary to the popular opinion of that particular thread. It's not direct proof, but suspicious behavior.
DMC doesn't strike me as someone who likes their own posts tho, considering he usually just reads an entire thread liking stuff along the way and then chimes in with general advice before moving on. |
Aaron
Eternal Frontier
652
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Posted - 2017.05.04 15:03:29 -
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Zanar Skwigelf wrote:Aedaxus wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:I only pointed out how pathetic it is that you like your own posts with your alts. Can you indicate me what hacks you use to get the Identities behind the likes also how do you link alts to accounts? Seems you are breaking the EULA or are spouting lies as usual, what shall it be today? I haven't looked at DMC's posts in this thread so it doesn't apply here but there are people on these forums that have exactly 1 like for every single one of their posts. These posts are also typically contrary to the popular opinion of that particular thread. It's not direct proof, but suspicious behavior. DMC doesn't strike me as someone who likes their own posts tho, considering he usually just reads an entire thread liking stuff along the way and then chimes in with general advice before moving on.
For some years now DMC has always liked every post in my venture threads, we have similar views and as I said earlier I like most of what DMC says. in my current thread I have received about 22 likes from DMC alone.
DMC does not strike me as the type to like his own comments, I think he is interested in the truth and having an honest convo. Hes helped calm things down when Herzog and Dracvlad trolled my current venture thread. So DMC is all good in my book.
Fear no one, live life, be free, accept the truth, do not judge others, defend yourself, fight hard till the end, meditate on problems and be prosperous. Things to exist by. -- RAIN Arthie
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier
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Posted - 2017.05.04 15:09:43 -
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I say we get back on topic and try to find a solution for sorting some peoples perception of wardecs.
Fear no one, live life, be free, accept the truth, do not judge others, defend yourself, fight hard till the end, meditate on problems and be prosperous. Things to exist by. -- RAIN Arthie
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier
653
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Posted - 2017.05.04 15:21:54 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Dracvlad wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:Dracvlad wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:
There's about 10 different characters that gave likes to my various replies in this thread.
Obviously Ima Wreckyou and Jenn aSide have their heads shoved so far up their neither regions they're not only blind as a bat but also twice as dumb as a doornail. The fact that all they can do is post vile sarcastic troll remarks with false accusations shows they suffer from a lack of self worth. Their only recourse is to demean and belittle everyone else in an attempt to compensate for their own inadequacies. Their constant posting of disgust and contempt towards others only proves that point.
If it wasn't so pathetic and comical I'd actually feel sorry for them.
I also like some of DMC's posts and I concur with DMC on his definition of Ima Wreckyou and Jenn aSnide which is why his post above got another like from me. Team alternate reality in full force. But you wrongly accused DMC of liking his own posts, bet you feel stupid now..., actually you don't, but you should... Thanks Dracvlad, Obviously a lot of players agree with that assessment of them. Course as true trolls they'll continue spewing out their bilge, even after being proved wrong. Their immaturity makes it paramount for them to get in the last word so it looks like they're correct. When normal players eventually grow tired of seeing their crap and stop replying, they claim it as a victory. To them it's all about boosting their own Epeen due to their overwhelming lack of self esteem. That's why they're so angry, spiteful and resentful towards others. It's sad really,they have nothing else to contribute but vile sarcastic insults. DMC
Jenn Aside does make some good points though. I remember one about there being 14 speedboat shops and one kayak shop. The 14 speedboat shops represent other games and the kayak shop represents Eve. Jenn's point was why bypass the speedboat shops and come to the kayak shop suggesting they sell speedboats instead.
The truth is lots of people make good points, I like honest conversations where nothing is omitted or ignored.
Fear no one, live life, be free, accept the truth, do not judge others, defend yourself, fight hard till the end, meditate on problems and be prosperous. Things to exist by. -- RAIN Arthie
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Aedaxus
Digital Zone Corp
54
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Posted - 2017.05.04 15:40:22 -
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Aaron wrote:
The truth is lots of people make good points, I like honest conversations where nothing is omitted or ignored.
Yes, but some people don't accept that others have different opinions. I recently read an intresting article about it : https://imgflip.com/i/1oezq3
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Chewytowel Haklar
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
309
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Posted - 2017.05.04 15:44:29 -
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What if you could bribe Concord by paying a fee to them to cancel the wardec? Say something like 1 billion isk (or a % base of the corp wallet), so that way obviously it costs quite a bit for the wardecee to stop the war. At the same time that could perhaps help make the corp immune to further wardec's by the same corp for longer? This wouldn't stop ganking at all obviously so that could continue to occur. |
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
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4022
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Posted - 2017.05.04 15:47:44 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Obviously you're desperately reaching for anything in an attempt to redirect negative focus onto me. Reproductive organs ? Gawd man, that is really feeble. Guess you just don't know when to walk away.
You mean you never said:
DeMichael Crimson wrote:Heh, your constant vile blusterous posturing indicates you're just compensating for lack of RL-Peen.
Not to speak about your other verbal abusive posts like:
DeMichael Crimson wrote:Obviously Ima Wreckyou and Jenn aSide have their heads shoved so far up their neither regions they're not only blind as a bat but also twice as dumb as a doornail.
And then throw in some projection:
DeMichael Crimson wrote:That's why they're so angry, spiteful and resentful towards others.
Look, not only was it very obvious that you liked your own posts and lie about it, you also seam to have a very strange perception of what is going on in this discussion. The vial and abusive posts are actually your speciality and not mine.
Maybe you should calm down a bit and then just stop with the lying and just admit it.
the Code ALWAYS wins
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Carnivorous Swarm
Empty You
48
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Posted - 2017.05.04 15:48:46 -
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Chewytowel Haklar wrote:What if you could bribe Concord by paying a fee to them to cancel the wardec? Say something like 1 billion isk (or a % base of the corp wallet), so that way obviously it costs quite a bit for the wardecee to stop the war. At the same time that could perhaps help make the corp immune to further wardec's by the same corp for longer? This wouldn't stop ganking at all obviously so that could continue to occur.
You can make the same offer to an aggressor today: 1B ISK for war nullification with no further wars for a while.
I'd think many would accept those terms. |
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
CODE.
4022
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Posted - 2017.05.04 15:52:10 -
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Zanar Skwigelf wrote:Aedaxus wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:I only pointed out how pathetic it is that you like your own posts with your alts. Can you indicate me what hacks you use to get the Identities behind the likes also how do you link alts to accounts? Seems you are breaking the EULA or are spouting lies as usual, what shall it be today? I haven't looked at DMC's posts in this thread so it doesn't apply here but there are people on these forums that have exactly 1 like for every single one of their posts. These posts are also typically contrary to the popular opinion of that particular thread. It's not direct proof, but suspicious behavior. DMC doesn't strike me as someone who likes their own posts tho, considering he usually just reads an entire thread liking stuff along the way and then chimes in with general advice before moving on.
Usually he has 0-4, but if he gets really angry and abusive he suddenly has like 7 right out of the bat without a lot of people actually posting in the thread. Which is quite obvious if you ask me.
I could be wrong, but his over the top reaction about it makes me really think it is true.
the Code ALWAYS wins
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Chewytowel Haklar
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
309
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Posted - 2017.05.04 15:52:29 -
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Carnivorous Swarm wrote:Chewytowel Haklar wrote:What if you could bribe Concord by paying a fee to them to cancel the wardec? Say something like 1 billion isk (or a % base of the corp wallet), so that way obviously it costs quite a bit for the wardecee to stop the war. At the same time that could perhaps help make the corp immune to further wardec's by the same corp for longer? This wouldn't stop ganking at all obviously so that could continue to occur. You can make the same offer to an aggressor today: 1B ISK for war nullification with no further wars for a while. I'd think many would accept those terms.
Perhaps, but as we both know many would also take advantage of that situation. |
Aedaxus
Digital Zone Corp
54
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Posted - 2017.05.04 15:54:07 -
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Chewytowel Haklar wrote:What if you could bribe Concord by paying a fee to them to cancel the wardec? Say something like 1 billion isk (or a % base of the corp wallet), so that way obviously it costs quite a bit for the wardecee to stop the war. At the same time that could perhaps help make the corp immune to further wardec's by the same corp for longer? This wouldn't stop ganking at all obviously so that could continue to occur.
Not a bad idea. We need to be carefull on what to base it on as everyone in this game min maxes and targets mostly the weakest players. To make sure newbros won't suffer hard it needs to be balanced. Mutual wardecs should be very cheap. One sided wardecs should cost little to small corps and more for larger corps or alliances. Let's say 500 million per member?
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier
658
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Posted - 2017.05.04 16:01:14 -
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Aedaxus wrote:Aaron wrote:
The truth is lots of people make good points, I like honest conversations where nothing is omitted or ignored.
Yes, but some people don't accept that others have different opinions. I recently read an intresting article about it : https://imgflip.com/i/1oezq3
This is a good point Aedaxus....which I can agree.
I remember I was doing a venture and I was talking to some newbros about True sec, My point was the further the security status below minus the better quality loot you get with regard to belt ratting. He flat out disagreed and we got into a long debate.
After 30 minutes of debating I ask him, Do you belt rat? he says no, Then I ask do you loot and salvage the wrecks from belt ratting? again he says no...At this point I facepalm. OF COURSE HE WONT KNOW WHAT IM ON ABOUT COS HE NEVER EVER EXPERIENCED IT !!!
So generally I am careful about what I listen to, many people are not talking from experience they seem to talk something they have heard from others without experiencing it themselves.
If I don't know about something I'm happy to listen to others and then try it to see for myself.
I can also remember doing a Hub Zero venture in Stain, and 2 young dudes were trying to tell me how to do a 10/10, their idea was to fit jump drives and then jump away 100km when the going got tough, my argument was ok if you jump out youre leaving the DPS for someone else to take. Eventually they stopped being stubborn and tried my way which was staying together and remote repping eachother, we tried it and it worked like a treat, no one had to jump out, we focused our DPS and got through it very easy.
Eve is a game where lots of people actually don't want to listen to the experienced guy.
Fear no one, live life, be free, accept the truth, do not judge others, defend yourself, fight hard till the end, meditate on problems and be prosperous. Things to exist by. -- RAIN Arthie
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Chewytowel Haklar
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
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Posted - 2017.05.04 16:02:46 -
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Aedaxus wrote:Chewytowel Haklar wrote:What if you could bribe Concord by paying a fee to them to cancel the wardec? Say something like 1 billion isk (or a % base of the corp wallet), so that way obviously it costs quite a bit for the wardecee to stop the war. At the same time that could perhaps help make the corp immune to further wardec's by the same corp for longer? This wouldn't stop ganking at all obviously so that could continue to occur. Not a bad idea. We need to be carefull on what to base it on as everyone in this game min maxes and targets mostly the weakest players. To make sure newbros won't suffer hard it needs to be balanced. Mutual wardecs should be very cheap. One sided wardecs should cost little to small corps and more for larger corps or alliances. Let's say 500 million per member?
I was thinking of this being based on a per member basis in terms of the fee. If you think about it it makes sense to do it that way, and probably could not be gamed at all. So when a wardec occurs the fee is based on the number of members in a corp/alliance at the very time it occurs. This way people can't just drop corp or do other things in advance to game the system, unless I am not seeing something here.
The fee could be 500m per member and be scaled down for larger corps/alliances as they obviously can have thousands of members. There would be a LOT of math behind something like this but it is doable.
My thinking of why allow this is simply because it would give the wardecee more time to consider their options. Instead of 24 hours they could essentially buy more time to figure things out, teach corp members about how to be safe during a wardec, and investigate their options in fighting back. That is of course if the wardeccer is persistent, which they are in many cases. Please continue to give feedback based on this idea, but it could definitely work! |
Zanar Skwigelf
Boa Innovations
Brothers of Tangra
188
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Posted - 2017.05.04 17:30:07 -
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Chewytowel Haklar wrote:What if you could bribe Concord by paying a fee to them to cancel the wardec? Say something like 1 billion isk (or a % base of the corp wallet), so that way obviously it costs quite a bit for the wardecee to stop the war. At the same time that could perhaps help make the corp immune to further wardec's by the same corp for longer? This wouldn't stop ganking at all obviously so that could continue to occur.
Why pay Concord when you can drop corp for free? Something like this would force people to stay in their corp for the duration of the war. |
ApexDynamo
Hazardous Wormhole Rebels
40
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Posted - 2017.05.04 17:32:55 -
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Cern Audeles wrote:Hi, I love this game but for one thing. The wars. I am in a corp, it's new few veterans we mine explore do missions, but we keep having wars declared against us. They want paying up to a billion ISK to cancelled the wars, we lost half a bill in ships today. So, I am downgrading to alpha, play casual, I love this game, but, i get a ship nice then get jumped by 4 ppl at one and destroyed, its not fun and even with insurance, a loss
find highsec mercs, theres a channel i used once when we needed mercs was a wormhole channel you dont gotta pay only thing they want is content |
Chewytowel Haklar
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
313
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Posted - 2017.05.04 17:47:22 -
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Zanar Skwigelf wrote:Chewytowel Haklar wrote:What if you could bribe Concord by paying a fee to them to cancel the wardec? Say something like 1 billion isk (or a % base of the corp wallet), so that way obviously it costs quite a bit for the wardecee to stop the war. At the same time that could perhaps help make the corp immune to further wardec's by the same corp for longer? This wouldn't stop ganking at all obviously so that could continue to occur. Why pay Concord when you can drop corp for free? Something like this would force people to stay in their corp for the duration of the war.
That would definitely still be an option as well. |
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Zanar Skwigelf
Boa Innovations
Brothers of Tangra
189
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Posted - 2017.05.04 18:21:31 -
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Chewytowel Haklar wrote:Zanar Skwigelf wrote:Chewytowel Haklar wrote:What if you could bribe Concord by paying a fee to them to cancel the wardec? Say something like 1 billion isk (or a % base of the corp wallet), so that way obviously it costs quite a bit for the wardecee to stop the war. At the same time that could perhaps help make the corp immune to further wardec's by the same corp for longer? This wouldn't stop ganking at all obviously so that could continue to occur. Why pay Concord when you can drop corp for free? Something like this would force people to stay in their corp for the duration of the war. That would definitely still be an option as well.
This has to be a troll post, PH isn't permadecced? You would never be able to leave. I've lived in null for a little over a year and BOT has had maybe 5 days where no one was at war with us.
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Percy Cuscaden
Easy Company
80
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Posted - 2017.05.04 18:52:31 -
[172] - Quote
Chewytowel Haklar wrote:What if you could bribe Concord by paying a fee to them to cancel the wardec? Say something like 1 billion isk (or a % base of the corp wallet), so that way obviously it costs quite a bit for the wardecee to stop the war. At the same time that could perhaps help make the corp immune to further wardec's by the same corp for longer? This wouldn't stop ganking at all obviously so that could continue to occur.
I like that idea. But it should have like a three strike bidding system to allow the attacker/defender a chance to outbid each other. It should be limited to the first 24 hour declaration period to prevent it being used as a delaying tactic.
As a separate idea, and based on the joy I have witnessed in this thread, I believe CCP is missing out on war dec gold by adding a war dec button function into the forum. Have all that passion have an impact in the game.
Ganking is a separate topic. Based on my experience I do not see it as an issue that needs re-dressing presently. Keeps you on your toes and keeps the isk flowing.
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier
664
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Posted - 2017.05.04 19:39:08 -
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Honestly, I think anything that changes to the current war mechanic will be bad.
My reasoning is that this is a well thought out game where everything is linked. People actually want to be in corps so this creates an opportunity for PVP by using the wardec mechanic. Most games real life or virtual thrive on the ability to freely compete against others with some minor sanctions (like 24 hour wait for legal war and paying for the war). War drives the economy which will make the miners and manufacturers happy.
The only thing ABLE to interrupt the delicate balance should be ........player choice...... and not a change of mechanics. The trick is to find a way to box clever and make it so that the wardeccers are the ones crying on the forum. Analyse the mechanics with some buddies and come to the most logical conclusion to keep your assets safe. Don't get too caught up in this elitists way of thinking (being in a corp) Remember this is a virtual world that you can manipulate to an extent.
If you and your buddies are struggling to fight a wardec...put the corp on ice for a while....chill out, become NPC, get some beer with your buddies and work out a plan, talk to other people about it gain interest, go back to your corp and fight the good fight.
CEOs, I havent forgotten about you guys....GOOD GOD MAN!!!!! (tries to talk like the old skool Dr mccoy in star trek...DeForest Kelley) IGNORING YOUR FELLOW CEO IN ANOTHER CORP IS NOT THE ANSWER!!!!
You hi sec CEO's have major things in common, link up and talk to each other man, back each other up because youre fighting the exact same fight. Listen, I will create a voice channel in my up and coming venture just for the CEO's of hi sec, use it, go in there and make friends, talk about your plans, help each other on gate camps even if you only got 10 minutes to spare. Lets get some serious gameplay going.
Fear no one, live life, be free, accept the truth, do not judge others, defend yourself, fight hard till the end, meditate on problems and be prosperous. Things to exist by. -- RAIN Arthie
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Keno Skir
1596
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Posted - 2017.05.04 21:23:52 -
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Aaron wrote:Honestly, I think anything that changes to the current war mechanic will be bad.
My reasoning is that this is a well thought out game where everything is linked. People actually want to be in corps so this creates an opportunity for PVP by using the wardec mechanic. Most games real life or virtual thrive on the ability to freely compete against others with some minor sanctions (like 24 hour wait for legal war and paying for the war). War drives the economy which will make the miners and manufacturers happy.
The only thing ABLE to interrupt the delicate balance should be ........player choice...... and not a change of mechanics. The trick is to find a way to box clever and make it so that the wardeccers are the ones crying on the forum. Analyse the mechanics with some buddies and come to the most logical conclusion to keep your assets safe. Don't get too caught up in this elitists way of thinking (being in a corp) Remember this is a virtual world that you can manipulate to an extent.
If you and your buddies are struggling to fight a wardec...put the corp on ice for a while....chill out, become NPC, get some beer with your buddies and work out a plan, talk to other people about it gain interest, go back to your corp and fight the good fight.
CEOs, I havent forgotten about you guys....GOOD GOD MAN!!!!! (tries to talk like the old skool Dr mccoy in star trek...DeForest Kelley) IGNORING YOUR FELLOW CEO IN ANOTHER CORP IS NOT THE ANSWER!!!!
You hi sec CEO's have major things in common, link up and talk to each other man, back each other up because youre fighting the exact same fight. Listen, I will create a voice channel in my up and coming venture just for the CEO's of hi sec, use it, go in there and make friends, talk about your plans, help each other on gate camps even if you only got 10 minutes to spare. Lets get some serious gameplay going.
Aaron just nailed it again.
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
CODE.
4024
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Posted - 2017.05.04 21:43:26 -
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Aaron wrote:
My reasoning is that this is a well thought out game where everything is linked. People actually want to be in corps so this creates an opportunity for PVP by using the wardec mechanic. Most games real life or virtual thrive on the ability to freely compete against others with some minor sanctions (like 24 hour wait for legal war and paying for the war). War drives the economy which will make the miners and manufacturers happy.
The only thing ABLE to interrupt the delicate balance should be ........player choice...... and not a change of mechanics. The trick is to find a way to box clever and make it so that the wardeccers are the ones crying on the forum. Analyse the mechanics with some buddies and come to the most logical conclusion to keep your assets safe. Don't get too caught up in this elitists way of thinking (being in a corp) Remember this is a virtual world that you can manipulate to an extent.
I think you are absolutely right. The wardecs itself are fine as they are. The only people who complain about the actual wardec mechanic are people who would rather have total isolation and just don't want to deal with the whole thing. No change other than a removal or a nerf which makes it completely nonviable to use will make them happy anyway.
On the other hand the pure wardec mechanic is not complete without taking all the other systems like locator agents and the "buddy list" into account. I think there is a lot of opportunity for improvement in those systems and I think we will see some mechanics change if they release observation structures.
I mean the current locator agent implementation is in serious need of an overhaul. Even the interface cries out for a change, you can't even drag&drop names in there and that is only the beginning.
the Code ALWAYS wins
Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
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Aedaxus
Digital Zone Corp
56
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Posted - 2017.05.04 22:29:19 -
[176] - Quote
Let me explain 'you people' something.
Some people no longer have the ability to use some of their arms, hands, fingers. Some have damage to their head that does not enable them to speak in a mic or have 2 eyes available. Most of those people have been able to do just fine before and will continue to play the games they like, even if people like you look down on them and decide they should grow some body parts back.
Feel free to take the 'PVP compliant' from High Sec and let them play in low/null sec. I'm just going to stay with some friends in high sec and if that means being bullied by ungrateful kids that hate everything that does not meet up with 'their' standards, so be it.
Here is a nice meme : https://i.imgflip.com/1ofvlp.jpg
At least I hope you have fun playing EVE online too.
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Chewytowel Haklar
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
316
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Posted - 2017.05.05 03:03:45 -
[177] - Quote
Aaron wrote:Honestly, I think anything that changes to the current war mechanic will be bad.
My reasoning is that this is a well thought out game where everything is linked. People actually want to be in corps so this creates an opportunity for PVP by using the wardec mechanic. Most games real life or virtual thrive on the ability to freely compete against others with some minor sanctions (like 24 hour wait for legal war and paying for the war). War drives the economy which will make the miners and manufacturers happy.
The only thing ABLE to interrupt the delicate balance should be ........player choice...... and not a change of mechanics. The trick is to find a way to box clever and make it so that the wardeccers are the ones crying on the forum. Analyse the mechanics with some buddies and come to the most logical conclusion to keep your assets safe. Don't get too caught up in this elitists way of thinking (being in a corp) Remember this is a virtual world that you can manipulate to an extent.
If you and your buddies are struggling to fight a wardec...put the corp on ice for a while....chill out, become NPC, get some beer with your buddies and work out a plan, talk to other people about it gain interest, go back to your corp and fight the good fight.
CEOs, I havent forgotten about you guys....GOOD GOD MAN!!!!! (tries to talk like the old skool Dr mccoy in star trek...DeForest Kelley) IGNORING YOUR FELLOW CEO IN ANOTHER CORP IS NOT THE ANSWER!!!!
You hi sec CEO's have major things in common, link up and talk to each other man, back each other up because youre fighting the exact same fight. Listen, I will create a voice channel in my up and coming venture just for the CEO's of hi sec, use it, go in there and make friends, talk about your plans, help each other on gate camps even if you only got 10 minutes to spare. Lets get some serious gameplay going.
I like your attitude and ideas there Aaron, but getting a bunch of self-centered carebear corps to work together like you propose would probably be like trying to heard cats during a thunderstorm. These people seem to generally only care about their own ventures. Sometimes I wonder if half of these 'buyback' corporations are merely just nullsec/lowsec players that run multiple highsec corps to farm ore for them on the cheap (and benefit from the tax income as well of course). Maybe there are some that are pretty good out there though that can and will fight back and are true corporations with people working together. The real trick here is making them realize it is in all their best interests to partner together, learn to pvp in fleets, learn to use scouts and intel (mark various groups as terrible standing to make it easier to spot them), and learn to use dscan as well obviously. |
Aaron
Eternal Frontier
666
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Posted - 2017.05.05 03:46:33 -
[178] - Quote
Chewytowel Haklar wrote:Aaron wrote:Honestly, I think anything that changes to the current war mechanic will be bad.
My reasoning is that this is a well thought out game where everything is linked. People actually want to be in corps so this creates an opportunity for PVP by using the wardec mechanic. Most games real life or virtual thrive on the ability to freely compete against others with some minor sanctions (like 24 hour wait for legal war and paying for the war). War drives the economy which will make the miners and manufacturers happy.
The only thing ABLE to interrupt the delicate balance should be ........player choice...... and not a change of mechanics. The trick is to find a way to box clever and make it so that the wardeccers are the ones crying on the forum. Analyse the mechanics with some buddies and come to the most logical conclusion to keep your assets safe. Don't get too caught up in this elitists way of thinking (being in a corp) Remember this is a virtual world that you can manipulate to an extent.
If you and your buddies are struggling to fight a wardec...put the corp on ice for a while....chill out, become NPC, get some beer with your buddies and work out a plan, talk to other people about it gain interest, go back to your corp and fight the good fight.
CEOs, I havent forgotten about you guys....GOOD GOD MAN!!!!! (tries to talk like the old skool Dr mccoy in star trek...DeForest Kelley) IGNORING YOUR FELLOW CEO IN ANOTHER CORP IS NOT THE ANSWER!!!!
You hi sec CEO's have major things in common, link up and talk to each other man, back each other up because youre fighting the exact same fight. Listen, I will create a voice channel in my up and coming venture just for the CEO's of hi sec, use it, go in there and make friends, talk about your plans, help each other on gate camps even if you only got 10 minutes to spare. Lets get some serious gameplay going.
I like your attitude and ideas there Aaron, but getting a bunch of self-centered carebear corps to work together like you propose would probably be like trying to heard cats during a thunderstorm. These people seem to generally only care about their own ventures. Sometimes I wonder if half of these 'buyback' corporations are merely just nullsec/lowsec players that run multiple highsec corps to farm ore for them on the cheap (and benefit from the tax income as well of course). Maybe there are some that are pretty good out there though that can and will fight back and are true corporations with people working together. The real trick here is making them realize it is in all their best interests to partner together, learn to pvp in fleets, learn to use scouts and intel (mark various groups as terrible standing to make it easier to spot them), and learn to use dscan as well obviously.
Yes, some good points chewy. I can help feeling that the thunderstorm is already here and reached it's climax. This very thread is about a corp who has suffered at the hands of a wardec and lost 500m in ships in 1 day. It seems they are not newbros and one of the corp members talk about being a 13 year vet. They must realise that they can't continue as they are and something must change.
I believe that people need to endure the current wardec system as best they can before they revise their play style, it's human nature. I've grown to accept that people have their way of doing things, as a result of this acceptance I have developed a patient attitude.
I am a rebel by nature and I am more than happy to help fight any imposed system or set of beliefs anytime, anywhere from a role-play point of view. My position is clear I am on the side of the little guy, I'm the little guy's biggest fan in fact.
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Chewytowel Haklar
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Aaron wrote:
Yes, some good points chewy. I can help feeling that the thunderstorm is already here and reached it's climax. This very thread is about a corp who has suffered at the hands of a wardec and lost 500m in ships in 1 day. It seems they are not newbros and one of the corp members talk about being a 13 year vet. They must realise that they can't continue as they are and something must change.
I believe that people need to endure the current wardec system as best they can before they revise their play style, it's human nature. I've grown to accept that people have their way of doing things, as a result of this acceptance I have developed a patient attitude.
I am a rebel by nature and I am more than happy to help fight any imposed system or set of beliefs anytime, anywhere from a role-play point of view. My position is clear I am on the side of the little guy, I'm the little guy's biggest fan in fact.
I think this is wishful thinking if I'm understanding you right. They need to continue to endure wardec's, and in learning to do so they will then be in a better position to revise their playstyle and make changes. Maybe it was the way it was worded, but I'm not getting it. Why can't they make changes while they are being wardecced? And how is anything going to change after all of these years by keeping things as they are? If they haven't changed their behavior by now they likely won't at all. |
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Chewytowel Haklar wrote:Aaron wrote:
Yes, some good points chewy. I can help feeling that the thunderstorm is already here and reached it's climax. This very thread is about a corp who has suffered at the hands of a wardec and lost 500m in ships in 1 day. It seems they are not newbros and one of the corp members talk about being a 13 year vet. They must realise that they can't continue as they are and something must change.
I believe that people need to endure the current wardec system as best they can before they revise their play style, it's human nature. I've grown to accept that people have their way of doing things, as a result of this acceptance I have developed a patient attitude.
I am a rebel by nature and I am more than happy to help fight any imposed system or set of beliefs anytime, anywhere from a role-play point of view. My position is clear I am on the side of the little guy, I'm the little guy's biggest fan in fact.
I think this is wishful thinking if I'm understanding you right. They need to continue to endure wardec's, and in learning to do so they will then be in a better position to revise their playstyle and make changes. Maybe it was the way it was worded, but I'm not getting it. Why can't they make changes while they are being wardecced? And how is anything going to change after all of these years by keeping things as they are? If they haven't changed their behavior by now they likely won't at all.
Yes, I think I worded it a little wrong there, what I mean is that it is hard to get someone to change their play style and in many situations it's best to let them change at their own pace. during this time they will have to endure the war dec as best they can.
Using this thread as an example it may be hard to change tactics/ learn to fight while the war dec is current. If youre not used to pvp it can take a couple of weeks at least to get a grasp on whats going on.
Speaking honestly if people really cant change their behaviour then they might dribble out of the game.
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Options:
1) Go NPC
2) Hire Mercs
3) Cooperate with other corps
4) Join alliance
5) Re-locate
6) Fight back
7) Reform as new corp
8) Awox
Did I miss any?
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Chewytowel Haklar
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Options:
1) Go NPC
2) Hire Mercs
3) Cooperate with other corps
4) Join alliance
5) Re-locate
6) Fight back
7) Reform as new corp
8) Awox
Did I miss any?
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Options:
1) Go NPC
2) Hire Mercs
3) Cooperate with other corps
4) Join alliance
5) Re-locate
6) Fight back
7) Reform as new corp
8) Awox
9) AFK
10) Ragequit
THERE!
A full 10 list.
My mission is complete.
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perseus skye
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I still surprises me when new bros are told to quit corp or afk or hire mercs after they are targeted by much larger more equipped enemies ....
eve community is one of the best I have come across but on this issue I still feel a better option than dock up or join npc corp could be worked out as I do feel we lose a lot of what could be great additions to this community .
I don't think war should be fair as it isn't but also feel brand new corps should be given a little breather to allow them to fight back or get the isk required to actually hire mercs which is one of your suggestions |
Jenn aSide
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perseus skye wrote:I still surprises me when new bros are told to quit corp or afk or hire mercs after they are targeted by much larger more equipped enemies ....
eve community is one of the best I have come across but on this issue I still feel a better option than dock up or join npc corp could be worked out as I do feel we lose a lot of what could be great additions to this community .
I don't think war should be fair as it isn't but also feel brand new corps should be given a little breather to allow them to fight back or get the isk required to actually hire mercs which is one of your suggestions
People have been saying stuff like this for a long time. It just doesn't work.
Giving people breathing space makes them bored. Giving people options makes them act. And frankly, if a person can't deal with a war dec with the numerous tools already in the game (some but not all already mentioned in this thread), why does anyone believe that MORE help with do the trick.
In other words, if people can't figure it out for themselves now, no amount of jiggering with the mechanics or rules is going to help. We've seen this time and time again with EVE (mostly high sec). buffed exhumers didn't help stupid people not get ganked, anchor rigs didn't help dumb people not get bumped, the warp changes, slot additions didn't help oblivious freighter pilots not get ganked, and the awoxxing toggle didn't help clueless people not get awoxxed.
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perseus skye wrote:I still surprises me when new bros are told to quit corp or afk or hire mercs after they are targeted by much larger more equipped enemies ....
eve community is one of the best I have come across but on this issue I still feel a better option than dock up or join npc corp could be worked out as I do feel we lose a lot of what could be great additions to this community .
I don't think war should be fair as it isn't but also feel brand new corps should be given a little breather to allow them to fight back or get the isk required to actually hire mercs which is one of your suggestions
Mate... the breathing space you speak of has been explained.
You can join an NPC corp for a breather.
You can join a properly managed corp (not worried by wardecs) for a breather.
Having a player corp is not a right, it is a privilege. It's SUPPOSED to be fought for, and taken away if you aren't prepared enough.
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Improve the Merc industry/market.
Make Mercs Great Again!
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Aaron
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Posted - 2017.05.08 06:27:37 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Improve the Merc industry/market.
Fighting off a wardec opponent is what Mercs live for.
Make Mercs Great Again!
This is an interesting option. I remember back in the day in Stain a buddy of mine hired a merc corp to deal with our enemies without my knowledge, the end result was they took the money and didn't fulfil their part of the deal. They also podded my buddy. I'm not saying all merc corps are like this I'm sure there are trustworthy ones.
I believe when a war dec corp is faced with merc corps they generally get safe and dock up until the merc corp withdraws their support, since merc corps cost a considerable amount to hire it may not be the best long term solution.
I think merc corps can work well in low-sec and 0.0, they will be able to freely engage their clients enemies with no sanctions, I don't think they would declare their support in any low-sec or 0.0 war so that they could have the element of suprise when it comes to cyno's and cap warfare.
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perseus skye
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personally I would prefer 100 smaller newer corps given some kind of wardec shield to help them start up and learn the game then have the ability to fight back rather than what seems to be thousands of players sitting in a npc corp learning nothing except how to avoid war completely . |
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perseus skye wrote:personally I would prefer 100 smaller newer corps given some kind of wardec shield to help them start up and learn the game then have the ability to fight back rather than what seems to be thousands of players sitting in a npc corp learning nothing except how to avoid war completely .
How are they supposed to "learn the game" when you shield them from the game?
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Zanar Skwigelf wrote:perseus skye wrote:personally I would prefer 100 smaller newer corps given some kind of wardec shield to help them start up and learn the game then have the ability to fight back rather than what seems to be thousands of players sitting in a npc corp learning nothing except how to avoid war completely . How are they supposed to "learn the game" when you shield them from the game?
Thats what he said...
I proposed some time ago that all NPC corps should be at perpetual war with their single diametrically opposite NPC corp, but surprisingly this met a lot of resistance.
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Percy Cuscaden wrote:Call me a care bear, whatever you want etc., I deal with the gankers etc., but war decs from alliances with hundreds of players against a two man active corp, I have no interest in dealing with.
THIS tbfo!
Now, war is part of EVE and should never be removed, but i do think ccp should take a look at the mechanics.
Let large(r) corps fight amongst themselves, but leave the small corps alone.
Mebbe it's time for a min/max number of members before u can get wardecked? Prolly not a popular idea, cuz it will remove easy targets for douchebags |
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Zanar Skwigelf wrote:perseus skye wrote:personally I would prefer 100 smaller newer corps given some kind of wardec shield to help them start up and learn the game then have the ability to fight back rather than what seems to be thousands of players sitting in a npc corp learning nothing except how to avoid war completely . How are they supposed to "learn the game" when you shield them from the game?
That betrays a narrow view of what constitutes "the game". |
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000Hunter000 wrote:THIS tbfo! Now, war is part of EVE and should never be removed, but i do think ccp should take a look at the mechanics. Let large(r) corps fight amongst themselves, but leave the small corps alone. Mebbe it's time for a min/max number of members before u can get wardecked? Prolly not a popular idea, cuz it will remove easy targets for douchebags
So all those 1 person tax evasion corps are now immune to wardecs? Congratulations.
As always in this topic, nearly everyone misses the real problem. The problem is not in the war mechanics, but in the lack of benefit for a corp for highsec players. The insistence that the new at risk structures have to be nerfed, and the fact there are so many stations in high sec mean in combination players don't benefit significantly from a corp in highsec, which means that we don't form a decent ecosystem of corps that actually are resilient.
That is where the change needs to happen, along with longer gank timers so everyone thinks a bit more about the risk of attack, not just the hapless haulers. |
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