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Cern Audeles
Buffer zone Grumps
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Posted - 2017.05.01 00:50:57 -
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Hi, I love this game but for one thing. The wars. I am in a corp, it's new few veterans we mine explore do missions, but we keep having wars declared against us. They want paying up to a billion ISK to cancelled the wars, we lost half a bill in ships today. So, I am downgrading to alpha, play casual, I love this game, but, i get a ship nice then get jumped by 4 ppl at one and destroyed, its not fun and even with insurance, a loss |
Roci Nantes
Brand Newbros Test Alliance Please Ignore
49
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Posted - 2017.05.01 01:09:41 -
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Find a pocket that is out of the way so you are less of a target. Have toons in npc corp you can mission/haul with. They can't wardec you that way. You just keep one toon in the corp and wait for the dec to end then back to business. They will stop issuing war decs if they have no targets.
If you fly in and out of major hubs in blingy ships, your going to attract some war decs. Then when you lose some nice ships the other groups will dec you to get in on the action. |
Rawketsled
Generic Corp Name
477
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Posted - 2017.05.01 02:45:21 -
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The corp you are in is not helping you. As a new player, you need guidance on how to best do things. Someone to hold your hand for a little bit.
Your CEO isn't on your corp's killboard. For kills or losses. They're clearly not an active player. They're not there for you when you need them the most. Why should you stick around?
Go find a new corp. They must, upfront, before you join, tell you exactly how they help now players. Them saying they help isn't enough. You need some evidence to back that up. |
Shallanna Yassavi
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
510
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Posted - 2017.05.01 02:46:29 -
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There's a dirty little secret about wars the mercs don't want you to know: you don't have to fight them. You can drop to an NPC corp or move to a sister corp, and suddenly the war doesn't help them kill you.
The game also doesn't really give you any reason to fight them. If they decide you're an actual threat, they'll just dock up whenever you muster a fleet. They don't have to leave any assets in space for you to bash (unless you find their holding corp and wardec that, which has happened).
A signature :o
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Lulu Lunette
Savage Moon Society
1567
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Posted - 2017.05.01 03:49:12 -
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You guys can all drop to an NPC corporation and still have fun with the casual stuff in highsec without all the war troubles. It's really easy to make a custom chat channel you can all share too.
@lunettelulu7
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Sitting Bull Lakota
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
304
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Posted - 2017.05.01 05:56:45 -
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Cern Audeles wrote:Hi, I love this game but for one thing. The wars. I am in a corp, it's new few veterans we mine explore do missions, but we keep having wars declared against us. They want paying up to a billion ISK to cancelled the wars, we lost half a bill in ships today. So, I am downgrading to alpha, play casual, I love this game, but, i get a ship nice then get jumped by 4 ppl at one and destroyed, its not fun and even with insurance, a loss Dying to wardecs in highsec means that you're not paying attention and your overview is default (read: useless). Here, read this: Feyd's Bumfinger Execution and Prevention Pack: Surviving Wardecs
The only thing that's dated is the part about watchlisting. Now no one knows if you're online or not unless they're in system with you. |
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
3959
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Posted - 2017.05.01 06:18:35 -
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Join a corp who can handle wardecs. The weak must be eliminated
the Code ALWAYS wins
Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
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Chopper Rollins
Far Beyond Triggered
1848
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Posted - 2017.05.01 06:57:24 -
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Cern Audeles wrote:Hi, ... So, I am downgrading to alpha, play casual, I love this game, but,...
This is not the answer. Hisec wars can be avoided, you sub again and you do your thing and you avoid the big, eat the little. Soon you will shed your tail, grow legs and emerge from hisec as a mighty belching frog.
Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
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Yourmoney Mywallet
Jita Institute of Applied Monetary Manipulation
1354
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Posted - 2017.05.01 07:15:41 -
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/me puts pencil to tip of tongue... . . . "Buffer... zone... Grumps." Just jotting that down for, uh... reference? Research? Yeah, research, that's it. |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
47675
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Posted - 2017.05.01 07:23:14 -
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If you are a group of vets, you should know how to manage wars. It isn't difficult to remain active. |
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Magnus Jax
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Posted - 2017.05.01 07:47:41 -
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- Just because someone has played for a long time doesn't mean he knows what he's doing
- Just because someone knows what he's doing doesn't mean he's willing & capable of teaching newbies properly
- Just because a corp states to be newbie friendly doesn't mean it is
- Just because people think that "newbie friendly" means "allowing them to join" doesn't mean that's the right way to look at it
- Just because you want to be "left alone to do your own thing" doesn't mean EVE will or should give you that option
- Just because other MMO's do allow for this "safe space" doesn't mean EVE should have or get this
- Just because you're used to not have to put in active effort to do well in any of the other MMO's doesn't mean the same approach will work in EVE
EVE is not for everyone and we all had to go through the same situation as you and we all had 2 choices: fight or flight.
- fighting doesn't necessarily mean actually fighting the wardeccers (although if done right you will learn a lot, have a fun time and might even make new friends). It's mostly is about "dealing with it" in an active, intelligent and informed way. It really isn't very difficult to deal with wardecs and do just fine, even as a relative newbie. Another part of this is realising that the corp you're in apparently doesn't support you in this and that it's probably best to find a group that sucks a bit less.
- flight means giving up and quitting EVE. Many of us have rage quit at some point for whatever reason, many of us came back because in the end there's nothing like EVE. |
Keno Skir
1577
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Posted - 2017.05.01 09:33:52 -
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Fairly sure this is a troll. But on the offchance it's not, OP wardecs are easy to avoid even for a new player. Try a few solutions before you give up.
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Percy Cuscaden
Easy Company
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Posted - 2017.05.01 10:56:46 -
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I have a similar problem, I am an on and off player. I have my own Corp which only has two active players, me and one other chap. I have been in my Corp for over 13 years. We are getting random war decs from "RIOT" and " I Know Right " alliances.
I am now thinking of quitting my own corp just so I do not have to deal with war decs which I have 0 interest in. My choices are to logoff for a week or quit to an NPC corp so I can avoid this nonsense where Alliances with hundreds of players can pick on a corp with two active players.
Call me a care bear, whatever you want etc., I deal with the gankers etc., but war decs from alliances with hundreds of players against a two man active corp I have no interest in dealing with.
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Aedaxus
Digital Zone Corp
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Posted - 2017.05.01 11:21:11 -
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Sorry to hear you unsubbed. I hope one day the game environment will be better for you. Hang in there.
Just try and find a nice place for your main character(s) where they can play. Some nice high sec area. Have 1 or 2 alts on other places set up with minimal skills for missioning and adventuring.
Now if for some reason you or one fo your friends TRIGGERS your closeby ganksquad and you get a unilateral wardec, ccp on purpose does not explain your enemy has to pay a weekly fee for it. Thus time is your advantage. So, make sure they don't get a kill in, you have 24 hours after the declaration to log onto your alts and play with them. As long as you avoid them they will be forced to stop the war of attrition you just won. They have no loot, no killboard to brag about, no nothing. You can even use those alts to troll them and do just like they do as this is what high sec PVP is all about.
99.99% of the EVE Online PVP is abusing game mechanics and CCP promotes this. Also stay subbed, the new system has to be successfull for CCP to sell the IP.
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
62110
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Posted - 2017.05.01 11:51:35 -
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Percy Cuscaden wrote:I have a similar problem, I am an on and off player. I have my own Corp which only has two active players, me and one other chap. I have been in my Corp for over 13 years. We are getting random war decs from "RIOT" and " I Know Right " alliances.
I am now thinking of quitting my own corp just so I do not have to deal with war decs which I have 0 interest in. My choices are to logoff for a week or quit to an NPC corp so I can avoid this nonsense where Alliances with hundreds of players can pick on a corp with two active players.
Call me a care bear, whatever you want etc., I deal with the gankers etc., but war decs from alliances with hundreds of players against a two man active corp, I have no interest in dealing with. Yeah, that situation suck's due to the WarDec game mechanic being abused and exploited just for lol's.
Probably a good idea to create an alt character, train up the necessary skills and assign it as Corp CEO. Then you can use your main to continue playing and just leave Corp during WarDec and still play the game without having to deal with all the BS.
DMC
'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
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Posted - 2017.05.01 12:40:02 -
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Percy Cuscaden wrote:I have a similar problem, I am an on and off player. I have my own Corp which only has two active players, me and one other chap. I have been in my Corp for over 13 years. We are getting random war decs from "RIOT" and " I Know Right " alliances. Since the changes to the watchlist mechanics, I have noticed much more that we get wardecced whenever someone from our corp visits a trade hub in an industrial.
With a high frequency, if someone goes to a trade hub in a T1 hauler or freighter, a wardec comes a few minutes later.
So, in addition to the suggestion of DMC above, it's also worth looking at using a alt in NPC Corps to visit trade hubs anytime you need and then use courier contracts to have stuff delivered to you. That way, there is no link to you from your alt and no Corp to wardec because the alt is in an NPC corp.
However, we don't mission or do any PVE in highsec at all. So I am not sure that approach would work well if you run missions from popular mission agents. |
Jenn aSide
shinigami miners ChaosTheory.
15753
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Posted - 2017.05.01 12:50:58 -
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Ah, high sec war dec complaint thread # 4,612,491, right on time.
And If I dare suggest people try the other 84.5% of new Eden space that isn't high sec (while at the same time supposedly being SAFER THAN HIGH SEC according to just about everyone in high sec), well that's just wrong, ain't it... |
Black Pedro
Yammerschooner
3399
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Posted - 2017.05.01 13:43:12 -
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Percy Cuscaden wrote:I am now thinking of quitting my own corp just so I do not have to deal with war decs which I have 0 interest in. My choices are to logoff for a week or quit to an NPC corp so I can avoid this nonsense where Alliances with hundreds of players can pick on a corp with two active players.
Call me a care bear, whatever you want etc., I deal with the gankers etc., but war decs from alliances with hundreds of players against a two man active corp, I have no interest in dealing with. Dropping to the NPC is the intended solution for you to exit a war you to not want to participate in. Just do so and you can carry on playing the game as you choose.
I just don't get the petulant attitude here. If you don't want to deal with wars, stay in the NPC corp. Why do you act like this is a big deal or a personal affront to you? If you are unable or unwilling to defend your corp, you should not have one. What possible use can a corporation have for you and two people? Are you just upset over a trifling amount of tax? Just set up a shared chat channel with your friends and play the game war-free, or if you really must have your tax-evasion shell corp, hop back and forth as the wars come and go.
Corporations are the competitive unit of this game and are intended to mean something. I do think there should be a non-competitive alternative corporation or social structure, but this weekly whining from players who don't even need the corporation structure to play the game in highsec solo or with a few friends is tiresome. CCP has always provided a way for wars to go away, or to not even happen in the first place and it works just fine: the NPC corp.
There is a line in the sand here. Be part of a player corporation who is in direct competition with all the other corporations in New Eden with all the benefits and responsibilities that entails, or sit out of this competition in the NPC corp and do your thing in more safety, but with slightly less reward. You have to choose. You cannot have your cake and eat it too.
This game is about tradeoffs. Please stop complaining that you have to make choices.
The 8 Golden Rules of Eve
Why Do They Gank?
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Josef Djugashvilis
3551
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Posted - 2017.05.01 14:57:33 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:Join a corp who can handle wardecs. The weak must be eliminated
I take it you are going to leave CODE then.
How did the Alliance Tournament go for you guys a couple of years ago?
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Percy Cuscaden
Easy Company
5
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Posted - 2017.05.01 15:31:20 -
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Black Pedro wrote: This game is about tradeoffs. Please stop complaining that you have to make choices.
I have been in my 13 year old corp which has RL friends who come back from time to time. This has not been a problem before. We had one spate of random war decs from the Marmite Collective and others in June last year. Now in one month I get two.
How many people have you come across that are in their corp after 13 years? I need to leave now because some alliance wants to randomly wardec me every time they feel bored and need new targets (all 2 of us)?
I see no fun in a mechanic which allows full alliances to war dec small corps.
http://imgur.com/a/KaVqC
This is the first time I have "whined" about this issue. This corp was created 13 years ago for friends to stay in touch whenever they came back to the game. Like you note, it is high time CCP gave us a non-competitive structure which facilitates us staying in touch with our friends without having to sit in a structure which leaves us open to being war decced against our will when some other group of players feels bored.
Apologies for being "petulant" after 13 years in my corp. I have been quite happy with my cake until now.
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
3965
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Posted - 2017.05.01 16:23:55 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:Join a corp who can handle wardecs. The weak must be eliminated I take it you are going to leave CODE then. How did the Alliance Tournament go for you guys a couple of years ago? We won, why? Are you still upset about it?
the Code ALWAYS wins
Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
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Zanar Skwigelf
Boa Innovations Brothers of Tangra
169
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Posted - 2017.05.01 18:07:39 -
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Percy Cuscaden wrote:I have been in my 13 year old corp which has RL friends who come back from time to time. This has not been a problem before. We had one spate of random war decs from the Marmite Collective and others in June last year. Now in one month I get two. How many people have you come across that are in their corp after 13 years? I need to leave now because some alliance wants to randomly wardec me every time they feel bored and need new targets (all 2 of us)? I see no fun in a mechanic which allows full alliances to war dec small corps. http://imgur.com/a/KaVqC This is the first time I have "whined" about this issue. This corp was created 13 years ago for friends to stay in touch whenever they came back to the game. Like you note, it is high time CCP gave us a non-competitive structure which facilitates us staying in touch with our friends without having to sit in a structure which leaves us open to being war decced against our will when some other group of players feels bored. Apologies for being "petulant" after 13 years in my corp. I have been quite happy with my cake until now.
I've only been a forum warrior for a relatively short time, but I'm getting sick of these 12 year old kids waving their 13 year old toon in our face like its supposed to mean something.
Percy, what exactly does being around for 13 years mean?
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Blade Darth
Room for Improvement Limited Expectations
75
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Posted - 2017.05.01 18:16:06 -
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High-sec is what I'd call extended tutorial. After a couple weeks you should leave it. Sadly EvE does a bad job at incentivizing players to do so.
Don't like the crappy war system in high-sec? Move to low/null. Don't like the politics of sov holding carebears or fights 5:1 vs. 100 titans on a server node that's about to crash? Move to a wormhole. Be a spy and make your isk that way. Or make art. Ninja-exploration. Stealing loot from low-sec gatecamps. Factional warfare. Hauling. Or something else. Think for yourself. |
Percy Cuscaden
Easy Company
8
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Posted - 2017.05.01 18:20:47 -
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Zanar Skwigelf wrote: Percy, what exactly does being around for 13 years mean?
For you, obviously nothing, but for me it is important.
Thanks for the insulting tone. Have a nice day.
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Carnivorous Swarm
Empty You
32
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Posted - 2017.05.01 18:22:01 -
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Maybe they want you to quit so they can steal your corp ticker.
"EASY" is pretty nice, any kind of corp would love that. |
Algarion Getz
Aideron Corp
335
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Posted - 2017.05.01 18:22:44 -
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Cern Audeles wrote:Hi, I love this game but for one thing. The wars. I am in a corp, it's new few veterans we mine explore do missions, but we keep having wars declared against us. They want paying up to a billion ISK to cancelled the wars, we lost half a bill in ships today. So, I am downgrading to alpha, play casual, I love this game, but, i get a ship nice then get jumped by 4 ppl at one and destroyed, its not fun and even with insurance, a loss Leave corp, make new one. Takes 10 seconds. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
21026
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Posted - 2017.05.01 18:35:57 -
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Zanar Skwigelf wrote:what exactly does being around for 13 years mean?
should at least mean one can stand the same risks as literally every other corp in the game.
Murderers of Negotiable Motivations
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Keno Skir
1578
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Posted - 2017.05.01 18:52:34 -
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Percy Cuscaden wrote:I have a similar problem, I am an on and off player. I have my own Corp which only has two active players, me and one other chap. I have been in my Corp for over 13 years. We are getting random war decs from "RIOT" and " I Know Right " alliances.
I am now thinking of quitting my own corp just so I do not have to deal with war decs which I have 0 interest in. My choices are to logoff for a week or quit to an NPC corp so I can avoid this nonsense where Alliances with hundreds of players can pick on a corp with two active players.
Call me a care bear, whatever you want etc., I deal with the gankers etc., but war decs from alliances with hundreds of players against a two man active corp, I have no interest in dealing with.
Right, so leave the corp. Being in a PLAYER CORP means you have DELIBERATELY opened yourself up to wardecs. It's assumed that if you didn't want to be open to wardecs you wouldn't have chosen to be in a player corp where you trade the lower tax for the chance of war.
I assume you want 0 tax, as well as no war.. and everything else risk free too.
You said you deal with gankers, why are you choosing to not deal with wardecs?
I re-iterate : Being in a PLAYER CORP is a trade off like everything in EvE. You get lower taxes and your own flag, in return for defending yourself from other player corps.
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Percy Cuscaden
Easy Company
8
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Posted - 2017.05.01 19:11:06 -
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Keno Skir wrote:
Right, so leave the corp. Being in a PLAYER CORP means you have DELIBERATELY opened yourself up to wardecs. It's assumed that if you didn't want to be open to wardecs you wouldn't have chosen to be in a player corp where you trade the lower tax for the chance of war.
I assume you want 0 tax, as well as no war.. and everything else risk free too.
You said you deal with gankers, why are you choosing to not deal with wardecs?
I re-iterate : Being in a PLAYER CORP is a trade off like everything in EvE. You get lower taxes and your own flag, in return for defending yourself from other player corps.
I did not even know about the tax issue until today. Not fussed about the tax issue at all.
Gankers face consequences. A big alliance faces no consequences when they war dec a small corp. There is no risk for them.
Of course I can leave the corp, but being OCD I hate the idea of leaving my corp which I have been in for 13 years. I totally acknowledge this means nothing to most of you who are probably in out of corps like there is no tomorrow. But I am not like that! More fool me.
Where did I say anything about "everything else risk free too"? I never said that. The only risk free party in this complaint is the large alliance which has war decced a corp which has two active players |
Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
21026
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Posted - 2017.05.01 19:19:24 -
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Percy Cuscaden wrote:A big alliance faces no consequences when they war dec a small corp. There is no risk for them.
well thats your fault now isnt it. be it trough force of arms or leveraging your isk, you can and you should defend anything you want to keep. we all have the same risks here and we are all responsible for our own safety.
pay someone scarier than them to slap them about for a bit, see what happens
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