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Winter Archipelago
Autumn Industrial Enterprises
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Posted - 2017.05.05 16:00:44 -
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From the patchnotes for 2017-05-09: https://community.eveonline.com/news/patch-notes/patch-notes-for-119.5-release/
Is this going to be a temporary thing, CCP, or will this be permanent? This is no small game-changer for people using the Character Bazaar.
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CCP Falcon
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Posted - 2017.05.05 16:33:08 -
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This is something that wasn't included in the release with the PLEX changes, as it's caused by a technical limitation with the way the new PLEX system works.
The plan is to look at this down the future and potentially reintroduce paying for this with PLEX, but at this stage we're not committed to a timeline on when this will happen.
Hope this answers your question
CCP Falcon || EVE Universe Community Manager || @CCP_Falcon
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Cristl
614
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Posted - 2017.05.05 16:47:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:The plan is to look at this down the future and potentially reintroduce paying for this with PLEX, but at this stage we're not committed to a timeline on when this will happen. Hope this answers your question Well, his question was basically: "Is this a temporary or permanent change?".
So I'm going to have to suggest that, no, you haven't answered it :patronising-smiley-here:
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lanyaie
Nocturnal Romance Cynosural Field Theory.
1243
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Posted - 2017.05.05 16:50:41 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:This is something that wasn't included in the release with the PLEX changes, as it's caused by a technical limitation with the way the new PLEX system works. The plan is to look at this down the future and potentially reintroduce paying for this with PLEX, but at this stage we're not committed to a timeline on when this will happen. Hope this answers your question
Why was this announced only a couple of days in advance? If this is not something CCP wants to change but is something they have to change due to technical limitations, wouldn't it be more reasonable to assume that a notice in advance would be appropriate?
Spaceprincess
People who put passwords on char bazaar Eveboards are the worst.
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Minty Aroma
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
78
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Posted - 2017.05.05 17:04:21 -
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Seeing as this is such an enormous change that has come straight out of the blue with little warning when people have multiple accounts training up to sell their characters on, some of which for many months, would it not be worth keeping the current PLEX in game too costing 500 nuPLEX to allow character transfers?
At least until this issue is fixed - many people rely on PLEX to exchange trained characters as they cannot afford real money transfer fees. |
Eternus8lux8lucis
Primus Inc. LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
1502
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Posted - 2017.05.05 17:08:35 -
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Honestly CCP that is not cool. I dont transfer toons around much but not giving that plex option isnt a smart move imo.
Have you heard anything I've said?
You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?
That's right.
Had to end sometime.
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StepSister
Kontained Chaos Blades of Grass
2
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Posted - 2017.05.05 17:09:38 -
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TL:DR surely ccp your time would be best served fixing the broken citadel mechanics than trying to change more of the minor things about eve.but i guess if its more important to you to change some thing that has worked perfectly all these years then you go waste your time on it. ....was this one of fozzies ideas..
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Minty Aroma
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
78
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Posted - 2017.05.05 17:13:36 -
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StepSister wrote:TL:DR surely ccp your time would be best served fixing the broken citadel mechanics than trying to change more of the minor things about eve.but i guess if its more important to you to change some thing that has worked perfectly all these years then you go waste your time on it. ....was this one of fozzies ideas..
had to ask!!
Chances are this was marketing, not a developer's idea as it's a way to gain more from micro-transactions. |
Niraia
Nocturnal Romance Cynosural Field Theory.
527
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Posted - 2017.05.05 17:15:42 -
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lol
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Chewytowel Haklar
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
318
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Posted - 2017.05.05 17:16:08 -
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I thought April was last month? This has be a joke right? Feel bad for the character bazaar sellers right now. This surely is a soon to be drama filled thread. |
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Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
32684
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Posted - 2017.05.05 17:22:02 -
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Nobody asked for this.
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Johnathan Severasse
Dixon Cox Butte Preservation Society Solyaris Chtonium
95
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Posted - 2017.05.05 17:36:52 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:This is something that wasn't included in the release with the PLEX changes, as it's caused by a technical limitation with the way the new PLEX system works. The plan is to look at this down the future and potentially reintroduce paying for this with PLEX, but at this stage we're not committed to a timeline on when this will happen. Hope this answers your question
I really do not feel like this is a good answer. It is neither a no or a yes. This is a yes or no question. |
Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
1204
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Posted - 2017.05.05 17:41:10 -
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lanyaie wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:This is something that wasn't included in the release with the PLEX changes, as it's caused by a technical limitation with the way the new PLEX system works. The plan is to look at this down the future and potentially reintroduce paying for this with PLEX, but at this stage we're not committed to a timeline on when this will happen. Hope this answers your question Why was this announced only a couple of days in advance? If this is not something CCP wants to change but is something they have to change due to technical limitations, wouldn't it be more reasonable to assume that a notice in advance would be appropriate?
Can't really say I blame them. Look at how unreasonable people usually are around here. They probably figured people are gonna ***** no matter what they say or how well they try to explain what went wrong. Either that or they figured most of us are not making character transfers left, right, and center all that often enough for a few days notice to not be fair enough.
"Tomahawks?"
"----in' A, right?"
"Trouble is, those things cost like a million and a half each."
"----, you pay me half that and I'll hump in some c4 and blow the ---- out of it my own damn self."
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Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
32684
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Posted - 2017.05.05 17:42:32 -
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So character tranfesrs wil be now free?
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Winter Archipelago
Autumn Industrial Enterprises
844
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Posted - 2017.05.05 17:42:50 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:This is something that wasn't included in the release with the PLEX changes, as it's caused by a technical limitation with the way the new PLEX system works. The plan is to look at this down the future and potentially reintroduce paying for this with PLEX, but at this stage we're not committed to a timeline on when this will happen. Hope this answers your question I've held off on replying until now because I didn't think I would be able to remain civil enough, but I believe I can do so now.
Honestly, this feels like another of the half-baked changes that get put out, with a promise of fixing it at some undetermined point in the future, but with said point being (frequently) literal years away.
Losing the ability to pay for character transfers with PLEX is a significant change. It may only affect a small subset of the EVE population, but for that subset, this is basically a "game-ending" change. I'm not trying to imply that I expect people to quit over this, but rather than it basically removes that form of gameplay from the game.
It is, admittedly, just a small subset of the population who use it, but over the last few years, it seems that these are the changes we've been receiving: small changes that have severe negative impacts on small subsets of the population, frequently ending or nearly ending that particular style of play. Each individual change may only affect a small number of people on its own, but collectively, these changes are adding up, and a larger portion of the playerbase is being affected.
I may not be an active user of the Character Bazaar, only ever using the transfer system to move characters around on my own accounts (which are pretty much how I want them now), but I'm looking at this in light of Martin Niemoller's "First they came for..." poem, and I'll add my voice to any call to reimplement this feature.
I'm going to urge you, CCP, to please make it a priority to get this functionality back into the game as soon as possible. It may only affect a small subset of players, but each time a change comes through that removes a small part of the game, the subset of players affected grows.
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Kinga Artrald
Radioactive Industry Division
2
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Posted - 2017.05.05 17:47:51 -
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This is obviously an attempt to make more money in the meantime while "we look at this [in the future]". I mean, really how hard would it be to say 2xplex||500xplex2=transfer character. You guys know the exchange rate so, oh wait, nvm, we'll just sneak it in patch notes days before update so we can get some more micro transactions. So now anyone selling characters has to spend what, $20 bucks instead? |
Bjorn Tyrson
EVE University Ivy League
559
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Posted - 2017.05.05 17:59:33 -
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Kinga Artrald wrote:This is obviously an attempt to make more money in the meantime while "we look at this [in the future]". I mean, really how hard would it be to say 2xplex||500xplex2=transfer character. You guys know the exchange rate so, oh wait, nvm, we'll just sneak it in patch notes days before update so we can get some more micro transactions. So now anyone selling characters has to spend what, $20 bucks instead?
20 dollars is less than the price of 2 plex. CCP looses money off of this change. So it's safe to assume they will be fixing it ASAP |
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
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Posted - 2017.05.05 18:06:56 -
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that seems like a pretty big woopsie
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lanyaie
Nocturnal Romance Cynosural Field Theory.
1243
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Posted - 2017.05.05 18:15:59 -
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Bjorn Tyrson wrote:Kinga Artrald wrote:This is obviously an attempt to make more money in the meantime while "we look at this [in the future]". I mean, really how hard would it be to say 2xplex||500xplex2=transfer character. You guys know the exchange rate so, oh wait, nvm, we'll just sneak it in patch notes days before update so we can get some more micro transactions. So now anyone selling characters has to spend what, $20 bucks instead? 20 dollars is less than the price of 2 plex. CCP looses money off of this change. So it's safe to assume they will be fixing it ASAP
Except https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/69fjeq/plex_can_no_longer_be_used_for_character_transfer/dh6c5a7/?context=3
I already explained it there. Paying cash for character transfers is going to be uncommon, and even it it is common - it means money into their wallet. Plex is already in the economy, when you use it for a character transfer, you're simply removing the plex from the eve economy.
Spaceprincess
People who put passwords on char bazaar Eveboards are the worst.
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
10947
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Posted - 2017.05.05 18:16:15 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:This is something that wasn't included in the release with the PLEX changes, as it's caused by a technical limitation with the way the new PLEX system works. That's what you are going with? Seriously?
"We broke it and so we're just not going to tell you."
So lame.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
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Dreamer Targaryen
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
12
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Posted - 2017.05.05 18:16:31 -
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Wow, so it's now "have a credit card or get ******" if you want to transfer a character. That's pretty disappointing. |
Scialt
Universal Sanitation Corporation
113
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Posted - 2017.05.05 18:17:51 -
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I'm a bit uneducated when it comes to character transfers.
How big a hit in terms of isk would this be to those building up characters to sell in comparison to say... using skill extractors to strip those same characters down and selling the injectors?
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Nicolai Serkanner
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
677
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Posted - 2017.05.05 18:22:24 -
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Skill injectors. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
10947
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Posted - 2017.05.05 18:24:23 -
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Scialt wrote:I'm a bit uneducated when it comes to character transfers.
How big a hit in terms of isk would this be to those building up characters to sell in comparison to say... using skill extractors to strip those same characters down and selling the injectors?
It's not that. It's that people will be less likely to use the service if the only way to do it is with real money rather than pretend money.
Plus it's one of the few decent sinks left in the game. My guess is we're going to see a drop in PLEX prices. Starting as soon as this new thing becomes more well known.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
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Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
1610
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Posted - 2017.05.05 18:29:59 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:This is something that wasn't included in the release with the PLEX changes, as it's caused by a technical limitation with the way the new PLEX system works. The plan is to look at this down the future and potentially reintroduce paying for this with PLEX, but at this stage we're not committed to a timeline on when this will happen. Hope this answers your question No beer for CCP Falcon until this gets solved .
Remove standings and insurance.
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ArmyOfMe
Hull Breach.
632
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Posted - 2017.05.05 18:32:32 -
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WTF, this is real ****** work CCP. There are loads of ppl that use plex to pay for char transfer and u basicly put a massive stick up their asses without even taking the time to lube up first.
GM Guard > I must ask you not to use the petition option like this again but i personally would finish the chicken sandwich first so it won´t go to waste. The spaghetti will keep and you can use it the next time you get hungry. Best regards.
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Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
32686
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Posted - 2017.05.05 18:46:27 -
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ArmyOfMe wrote:WTF, this is real ****** work CCP. There are loads of ppl that use plex to pay for char transfer and u basicly put a massive stick up their asses without even taking the time to lube up first. Subtle. =ƒÿÄ=ƒæî
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ISD Max Trix
isd community communications liaisons
1780
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Posted - 2017.05.05 18:59:57 -
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Quote: 8. Use of profanity is prohibited.
The use of profanity is prohibited on the EVE Online forums. This includes the partial masking of letters using numbers or alternate symbols, and any attempts at bypassing the profanity filter.
Removed post for the above reason.
ISD Max Trix
Lieutenant
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
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Dreamer Targaryen
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
14
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Posted - 2017.05.05 19:03:36 -
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ISD Max at work...
Again: This will penetrate the rectum of the people who don't own a VISA or MasterCard, since they will be unable to use the character-transfer-service after the patch. Disappointing change to say the least. |
Lothros Andastar
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
273
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Posted - 2017.05.05 19:10:35 -
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Legacy Code strikes again. How about you fix this issue BEFORE forcing a change no-one wanted on everyone? |
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