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guigui lechat
the no fock given
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Posted - 2017.05.06 12:55:22 -
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Hello. I know the title sounds like an exageration, it is not.
I decided to move my PI alt to nullsec.
So I had to redo my whole PI setups
After each planet I need to make a 30minute break because my hand hurts of all the clickfest Setting up a P0->P3 installation requires
command center : 5clicks 4 basics : 8 clicks 3 advanced : 6 clicks launchpad : 2 clicks 5 storage : 10 clicks 13 links : 39 clicks
total : 70 clicks for a planet. and that's without settint the extractors. And that's without taking into account the ****** UI that selects the wrong building because the one selected is too big and covers the others and I have to redo one building.
then set up the processors : easy, each one requires select - click process - select good receipe - install - click product - create route - select destination - install . then select storage - storage - select product - create route - select processor - create route Yeah, that's 7*14=98 more clicks for the planet.
168 clicks minimum if I do every thing perfectly to just set up the installation. for ONE OUT OF SIX PLANETS THAT is tedious. and hurting.
Most of it comes from setting routes. Make routes automatic and a lot of the pain will be removed.
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Eternus8lux8lucis
Primus Inc. LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
1513
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Posted - 2017.05.06 13:07:47 -
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And too think then you dont have to do it again ever if you dont want to.
Have you heard anything I've said?
You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?
That's right.
Had to end sometime.
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Joey Bags
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
74
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Posted - 2017.05.06 13:19:30 -
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As someone who is finally starting to do PI because I need it to do some thing I want I feel your pain. A few things to consider. Doing PI is tedious and awful. It was designed that way (I think so at least). If the devs know it can cause physical pain don't expect it to change anytime soon. If there was a way to cause a electrical shock every time you moved an extractor it would have been the first thing coded. In all fairness I'm just happy you can do the majority of PI while docked. It takes time (and many clicks) but if it was too easy too many people would be doing it and it would be nerfed so be thankful.
You can pick your friends and you can pick your nose but you can't pick your friends nose.
Unless you podded them...and collected their corpse.
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Nicolai Serkanner
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
679
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Posted - 2017.05.06 13:22:34 -
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HTFU! |
Eternus8lux8lucis
Primus Inc. LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
1513
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Posted - 2017.05.06 13:31:00 -
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OP might I suggest
https://www.walmart.ca/en/ip/everlast-extra-strength-hand-grip/6000035893264
Have you heard anything I've said?
You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?
That's right.
Had to end sometime.
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guigui lechat
the no fock given
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Posted - 2017.05.06 13:40:07 -
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There is a difference between something that trade ingame currency for activity, investment, social requirements, and something that requires you to hurt yourself.
having a crappy UI is NEVER a good design choice.
I ended up using an old very-light cheap mouse. However it is very unprecise. So I stick with https://www.razerzone.com/gaming-mice/razer-naga
and install one planet per hour, while using breaks to complain on a forum. |
Major Xadi
Mercenary Logistics Ltd.
84
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Posted - 2017.05.06 15:15:00 -
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I'm going to sympathize with the OP.
The manufacture of many things in game depend on PI produced mats. We won't have them if PI isn't done. I have a couple indy toons I do PI with. The clickfest is irritating. A better UI would be appreciated. |
Jacques d'Orleans
3149
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Posted - 2017.05.06 16:24:16 -
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guigui lechat wrote: After each planet I need to make a 30minute break because my hand hurts of all the clickfest
It started that way and later on I was diagnosed with arthritis, which was the source of the pain in my hand and shoulder. You should see a doctor, maybe it's more than just some pain caused by PI.
And yes, the clickfest is a pain, but more in the a.. than in the hand, if you know what I mean.
Breakfast is the most important drink of the day.
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guigui lechat
the no fock given
33
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Posted - 2017.05.06 16:46:53 -
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Jacques d'Orleans wrote: And yes, the clickfest is a pain, but more in the a.. than in the hand, if you know what I mean.
I don't move my mouse with my a. so no idea what you mean ^^ |
Axhind
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
303
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Posted - 2017.05.06 17:40:07 -
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guigui lechat wrote:Hello. I know the title sounds like an exageration, it is not.
I decided to move my PI alt to nullsec.
So I had to redo my whole PI setups
After each planet I need to make a 30minute break because my hand hurts of all the clickfest Setting up a P0->P3 installation requires
command center : 5clicks 4 basics : 8 clicks 3 advanced : 6 clicks launchpad : 2 clicks 5 storage : 10 clicks 13 links : 39 clicks
total : 70 clicks for a planet. and that's without settint the extractors. And that's without taking into account the ****** UI that selects the wrong building because the one selected is too big and covers the others and I have to redo one building.
then set up the processors : easy, each one requires select - click process - select good receipe - install - click product - create route - select destination - install . then select storage - storage - select product - create route - select processor - create route Yeah, that's 7*14=98 more clicks for the planet.
168 clicks minimum if I do every thing perfectly to just set up the installation. for ONE OUT OF SIX PLANETS THAT is tedious. and hurting.
Most of it comes from setting routes. Make routes automatic and a lot of the pain will be removed.
Ever tried playing a FPS game or, god forbid, RTS/Dota like? Even analysing a lot of info in an excel sheet. Clicking is quite common in the computer interaction and if those 98 per planet are killing your hand then you must have problems using a normal computer anyway.
Maybe change the mouse and learn how to hold your arm to offload it properly. Tons of people listen to terrible advice on how to sit in front of the computer. |
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Magnus Jax
24
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Posted - 2017.05.06 19:43:54 -
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The solution is easy: stop doing PI and find yourself a game where they have a gluten free safe zone area, where low effort instant gratification happens at every corner and you can vlog about your lunch. |
guigui lechat
the no fock given
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Posted - 2017.05.06 19:47:20 -
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Magnus Jax wrote:The solution is easy: stop doing PI and find yourself a game where they have a gluten free safe zone area, where low effort instant gratification happens at every corner and you can vlog about your lunch. You failed to describe a solution. I only noticed useless sarcasm in your post. Consider preventing yourself from posting when you have nothing interesting to post. |
Magnus Jax
24
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Posted - 2017.05.06 19:55:02 -
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guigui lechat wrote:Magnus Jax wrote:The solution is easy: stop doing PI and find yourself a game where they have a gluten free safe zone area, where low effort instant gratification happens at every corner and you can vlog about your lunch. You failed to describe a solution. I only noticed useless sarcasm in your post. Consider preventing yourself from posting when you have nothing interesting to post.
You failed to pose a situation that needs solving. |
Blade Darth
Room for Improvement Limited Expectations
83
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Posted - 2017.05.06 20:17:34 -
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1) Once you do it it's (almost) passive income. 2) I agree the system is outdated and meh. I still enjoy it more than mining. |
Zirashi
Cyclical Destruction
70
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Posted - 2017.05.06 22:38:03 -
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Only 168 clicks and you're in pain? Over what time frame? Because I'd guess the average gamer clicks at least that many times in like 10 minutes or less, even during low intensity gaming. And in more intensive genres like RTS, people routinely exceed that number in like 2-3 minutes. Even in something as slow as EVE, I'm constantly clicking on things in the overview, adjusting/activating dscan, checking anomaly scanner, panning my camera around my ship, issuing movement commands through manual piloting, opening and closing menus, and so on.
I'd almost suggest seeing a doctor or something because that is a drop in the bucket when it come to pc gaming and the pain may point to a bigger issue than PI being tedious. That's like being exhausted and drenched in sweat after walking 100m. |
Coralas
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
102
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Posted - 2017.05.06 23:32:24 -
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there isn't any pressing need to finish a pi setup in one hour or anything. Some resource is probably going to be your limiting resource, if that's done first, the rest can wait. The surveys should give you an idea on the limiting resource. |
guigui lechat
the no fock given
35
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Posted - 2017.05.07 11:00:17 -
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Zirashi wrote:Only 168 clicks and you're in pain? Over what time frame? Because I'd guess the average gamer clicks at least that many times in like 10 minutes or less, even during low intensity gaming. And in more intensive genres like RTS, people routinely exceed that number in like 2-3 minutes. Even in something as slow as EVE, I'm constantly clicking on things in the overview, adjusting/activating dscan, checking anomaly scanner, panning my camera around my ship, issuing movement commands through manual piloting, opening and closing menus, and so on.
I'd almost suggest seeing a doctor or something because that is a drop in the bucket when it come to pc gaming and the pain may point to a bigger issue than PI being tedious. That's like being exhausted and drenched in sweat after walking 100m.
not only 168 clicks, that's a computed minimum . Since the ui is so bad, and I had to check manually the other players constructions before setting my colonies, you can account for a lot more. per planet. Per character it's not only the number of clicks, it's the bad UI that makes everything tedious , and especially the clickfest. you need a lot of precise clicks in an environment that makes your clicks unprecise. Imagine a FPS where targeting at an ennemy makes the environment around him bigger.
I can do a lot more clicks in FPS, with no pain. Though I agree with you, and I should visit a doctor. |
ColdCutz
Frigonometry
149
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Posted - 2017.05.07 13:10:34 -
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Nicolai Serkanner wrote:HTFU!
I'm imagining Eye of the Tiger being played while somebody works out with one of these things in order to do PI. |
Lulu Lunette
Savage Moon Society
1588
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Posted - 2017.05.07 14:34:11 -
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It's okay to stop between steps and shake your arms out and maybe stretch a bit. Don't forget to drink water and stand up occasionally. ^_^
@lunettelulu7
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Julanna Egnald
Del's Industrial Strip Mining
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Posted - 2017.05.07 16:37:40 -
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Just as an aside, I was thinking that if the PI UI is painful, then DOTAs and RTS's must be out of the question, at least any kind of serious gameplay |
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Poqwi Dumk
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2017.05.08 09:19:08 -
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people are even too lazy to work in an mmog these days...... |
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
33171
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Posted - 2017.05.08 10:47:40 -
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There should be at least one button for instalation to repeat previous program with cycles.
Also ability to save instalation would be fine. Without extractors placement.
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baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
18920
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Posted - 2017.05.08 10:57:18 -
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You click more in any FPS or RTS game. |
Trixi Laminer
The Scope Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2017.05.08 12:18:26 -
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pi is very skillbased and hardcore! Only thing i wish is perhaps that you could save templates of already installed setups kind of like ship fittings, then you can move extractors and factories around to where you want and hit save. And that P4 could be produced easier. |
Eternus8lux8lucis
Primus Inc. LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
1521
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Posted - 2017.05.08 12:29:25 -
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ColdCutz wrote:Nicolai Serkanner wrote:HTFU! I'm imagining Eye of the Tiger being played while somebody works out with one of these things in order to do PI. LOL Though the truth is if you spend time on a computer they are handy lil things to have laying around to do hand exercises with from time to time for repetitive strain stuff.
/me wanders off to blare Eye Of The Tiger while I type a bit
Have you heard anything I've said?
You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?
That's right.
Had to end sometime.
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guigui lechat
the no fock given
35
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Posted - 2017.05.08 15:05:46 -
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Julanna Egnald wrote:Just as an aside, I was thinking that if the PI UI is painful, then DOTAs and RTS's must be out of the question, at least any kind of serious gameplay
I dont click on dota, it's too slow, I have one click to cast/use where my mouse is. I still double click tp/blink to go to base. AND the ui is way better in dota. just in case you didnt know.
(my hand does not hurt when I play dota) |
Piugattuk
Lima beans Corp
621
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Posted - 2017.05.08 15:21:47 -
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Support my ideal, I've posted before about this and how cumbersome it is, to simplify it they could make it so folks could click less by;
Allowing PI to be processed into higher tier products in an engineering complex, in this way we can harvest raw materials then simply export and then process them in the complex by choosing the tier product desired.
But leave the ability to make them planet side because hey, some folks enjoy it. |
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
33196
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Posted - 2017.05.08 16:23:27 -
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Piugattuk wrote:Support my ideal, I've posted before about this and how cumbersome it is, to simplify it they could make it so folks could click less by;
Allowing PI to be processed into higher tier products in an engineering complex, in this way we can harvest raw materials then simply export and then process them in the complex by choosing the tier product desired.
But leave the ability to make them planet side because hey, some folks enjoy it. I was thinking maybe they could redo this all planetary interaction to replace it with one UI window with sections for building upgrades like storage, launch and facilities, section for extraction operations (removing extractors from the game and replacing them with material tansports from a defined ranges), and section for resource processing.
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Nicolai Serkanner
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
686
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Posted - 2017.05.08 17:36:59 -
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guigui lechat wrote:Julanna Egnald wrote:Just as an aside, I was thinking that if the PI UI is painful, then DOTAs and RTS's must be out of the question, at least any kind of serious gameplay I dont click on dota, it's too slow, I have one click to cast/use where my mouse is. I still double click tp/blink to go to base. AND the ui is way better in dota. just in case you didnt know. (my hand does not hurt when I play dota)
There is your solutuon: stop playing EvE and go back to Dota. Glad to be of assistance.
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Thomas Lot
Astrocomical Warped Intentions
138
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Posted - 2017.05.08 18:36:01 -
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guigui lechat wrote:
168 clicks minimum if I do every thing perfectly to just set up the installation. for ONE OUT OF SIX PLANETS THAT is tedious. and hurting.
Most of it comes from setting routes. Make routes automatic and a lot of the pain will be removed.
I would suggest that you quit PI, delete your planets, and find something else. That means less PI coming to market. My PI setup will increase in ISK efficiency since there will be one more scrub removed from the market. |
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