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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2004.01.05 16:06:00 -
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If you need to scout event locations, use Chaos? If you need to test an Event, use Chaos? If you need to do something that will look the slightest bit suspicious to "We're at war and shoot everything...wait, why won't you die?" people, do like most other MMOG developers do:
Use the Test server?
Oh and if you don't already have the functionality, start asking for invisibility? Sa***uarding it from abuse is simple. Trust me 
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Bad Harlequin
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Posted - 2004.01.05 16:08:00 -
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Sa***uarding it from abuse is simple. Trust me
but nothing will save you from the Tech 5 Word Filter 
Other than that, agreed.
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Zodiack
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Posted - 2004.01.05 16:08:00 -
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It appears that the Curse Alliance are special people... and require special attention. I will glady sell you a fleet of short buses with special stickers if you wish.
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Hippey
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Posted - 2004.01.05 16:09:00 -
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TBH, the whole thing is suspicious to me. As Jash said, why not use Chaos?
I'm sure SA and FA and all the other A' would be equally suspicious if they noticed this, it just so happened that that it occured in CA space first.
And seriously, why would you have an event in a warzone where CA members will kill all non-ca members?? That's just not smart, and this whole thing is fishy.
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2004.01.05 16:09:00 -
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It appears that the Curse Alliance are special people... and require special attention. I will glady sell you a fleet of short buses with special stickers if you wish.
Actually, I'm being quite serious. "Out of sight, out of mind". It will save them a lot of headache.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Drethen Nerevitas
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Posted - 2004.01.05 16:10:00 -
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If they need to check where roids are for events (as an example), they may need to be on Tranq.
Not sure, but I doubt Chaos belts are the same as Tranq.
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Durandal
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Posted - 2004.01.05 16:10:00 -
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Is that possible? Wouldn't testing something out, or scouting locations on Chaos be useless since the conditions on TQ are different?
Like, for example, a few months down the road someone has a player built station in a particular system on TQ (but not on Chaos), and an event is planned for TQ on Chaos in that system - not really practical.
I could be wrong 
"Never let your sense of morals prevent you from doing what is right!"
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NTRabbit
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Posted - 2004.01.05 16:12:00 -
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people don't get all uppity when a GM starts scouting a system, why get all excited when a polaris volunteer shows up??
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Hobbes d'Aurora
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Posted - 2004.01.05 16:13:00 -
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1) Chaos is not always available. It can be a hassle in that regard.
2) Chaos doesn't have the player centers that TQ has... and sometimes that is what we need to scout. It makes no sense to have an event for no people, or for just 1 or 2. Or to have it for a group of people, in a really unworkable area.
The suggestion is a good one, but not an all-encompassing one.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2004.01.05 16:13:00 -
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Edited by: j0sephine on 05/01/2004 16:17:14
"Oh and if you don't already have the functionality, start asking for invisibility? Sa***uarding it from abuse is simple. Trust me "
... You can guard it from abuse, but can you guard it from the "Oh my god, the place is slightly more laggy today... there IS a hidden Polaris member here abusing their power to spy so their corp buddies can get us!" paranoia and following* string of petitions and accusations on the forum? ;s
*) after every larger battle in particular, no matter which side won.
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Zodiack
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Posted - 2004.01.05 16:13:00 -
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They could have been planning an event where Jovians make first diplomatic contact with you... and wish to aid you in your war against Stain Alliance. They have to open the system some time. You never know...
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Drethen Nerevitas
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Posted - 2004.01.05 16:14:00 -
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They learned something valuable from this though  .
Whenever they want to provoke a conflict for an event, they can just go to CA space .
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Bad Harlequin
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Posted - 2004.01.05 16:18:00 -
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all of you just stop. Please, don't even front. I'm sure if someone teleported into one of YOUR mining ops, and shortly thereafter you were invaded by your favorite enemies, you'd be all sweetness and love and free of all suspicion
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Hobbes d'Aurora
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Posted - 2004.01.05 16:18:00 -
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They learned something valuable from this though .
Whenever they want to provoke a conflict for an event, they can just go to CA space .
Mmm... I'm sure the CA folks are really glad that Lallante 'scared' off the Aurora scout, with abuse claims. I'm sure they didn't want our interrupting events around.
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The Reclaimer
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Posted - 2004.01.05 16:20:00 -
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I sent an email to the requested address, got a canned responce. If you mean events to be enemies showing up and smashing your mining ops, well, what fun.
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Bad Harlequin
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Posted - 2004.01.05 16:22:00 -
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canned response is autoreply. this is unfortunately going to be a furball, because scouting the area for an event and tipping evol off to the mining op are sadly not mutually exclusive activities. I don't like it either but we're going to have to be patient for a bit.
You are in a maze of twisty little asteroids, all alike. |
Majin Buu
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Posted - 2004.01.05 16:22:00 -
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If you need to scout event locations, use Chaos? If you need to test an Event, use Chaos? If you need to do something that will look the slightest bit suspicious to "We're at war and shoot everything...wait, why won't you die?" people, do like most other MMOG developers do:
Use the Test server?
Oh and if you don't already have the functionality, start asking for invisibility? Sa***uarding it from abuse is simple. Trust me
it was a polaris volunteer doing what he is meant to be doing, not someone in SA using the char to scout CA belts. If u cannot accept that then u need to grow up alittle bit or ****off to another game, because EVE doenst need people like u accusing polaris volunteers of things like that.
Just for the record we (SA) also have visits from devs's, GM's, polaris volunteer's etc and we always welcome them because we know they are only doing there job
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The Reclaimer
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Posted - 2004.01.05 16:26:00 -
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Did your parents have any children that lived Harlequin?
troll
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Zodiack
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Posted - 2004.01.05 16:26:00 -
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Did your parents have any children that lived Harlequin?
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Zodiack
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Posted - 2004.01.05 16:27:00 -
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I am just stating what everyone is thiking... I just have the B a l l s to say it...
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The Reclaimer
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Posted - 2004.01.05 16:28:00 -
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I wasnt thinking that, so dont generalise.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2004.01.05 16:30:00 -
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"all of you just stop. Please, don't even front. I'm sure if someone teleported into one of YOUR mining ops, and shortly thereafter you were invaded by your favorite enemies, you'd be all sweetness and love and free of all suspicion "
BH, was simply pointing out what's imo a flaw in suggested solution, i.e. not accounting for the irrational human factor. Had lil' to do with 'tis particular case which might or might not be unfounded.
Calm down, it's not the whole world that is out to get you. ;)
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Zodiack
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Posted - 2004.01.05 16:31:00 -
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Sure you were... you are just trying to stay in his grace by taking sides. I can't believe that reading 4 threads have brought me to your level of posting... well, maybe I can. After all, I am just as immature as half you you "trolls"
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Hobbes d'Aurora
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Posted - 2004.01.05 16:34:00 -
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all of you just stop. Please, don't even front. I'm sure if someone teleported into one of YOUR mining ops, and shortly thereafter you were invaded by your favorite enemies, you'd be all sweetness and love and free of all suspicion
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If you mean events to be enemies showing up and smashing your mining ops, well, what fun.
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canned response is autoreply. this is unfortunately going to be a furball, because scouting the area for an event and tipping evol off to the mining op are sadly not mutually exclusive activities.
Wow... the hatred!
I'd like to point out something... the original claim of abuse by Lallante never says anything like "And after Kerren left, Evolution made a beeline right for us. And they showed that they had obvious advance knowledge."
Yes, if a volunteer was scouting out an area, and then player forces were making use of that info, there would be hell to pay. But it didn't happen. All that we have are baseless accusations.
So, cut it out, please. Thanks.
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Bad Harlequin
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Posted - 2004.01.05 16:37:00 -
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They learned something valuable from this though .
Whenever they want to provoke a conflict for an event, they can just go to CA space .
Mmm... I'm sure the CA folks are really glad that Lallante 'scared' off the Aurora scout, with abuse claims. I'm sure they didn't want our interrupting events around.
Childishly edited titles, secretely clipped content, and now sacrastic threats?
It's starting to sound more and more like, no thanks, we don't. I can't believe you're trolling.
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Bad Harlequin
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Posted - 2004.01.05 16:37:00 -
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I am just stating what everyone is thiking... I just have the B a l l s to say it...
Evading the word filter.
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2004.01.05 16:38:00 -
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Mmm... I'm sure the CA folks are really glad that Lallante 'scared' off the Aurora scout, with abuse claims. I'm sure they didn't want our interrupting events around.
Openness. While ever you Polaris people don't make public who your regular characters are, almost nobody will believe your protestations of innocence.
Unfortunately, CCP doesn't let you do that, so you're bad burnt or scalded.
Look at people's general IRL opinion of their politicians. Unless a politician can prove, categorically and beyond all question, that all of his actions are entirely honest, it's routinely assumed that he is a crook.
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Willard Gibbs
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Posted - 2004.01.05 16:38:00 -
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As a newbie, just started a few days ago, I'd like to just say I'm a bit surprised by this whole craziness. I read the original post, and thought nothing of it. But when I saw that the topic had been altered by a moderator... That was just ... I'll be honest, I've never seen that on a professional forum before.
It seems that by playing this silly game of locking topics, you only make it look more like you are not mature enough to handle authority. I don't doubt that the volunteer had nothing to do with any spying, but your behavior is surprising in response.
You can continue to lock topics and pretend to sweep things under the rug with these crazy "email support" posts, but I really don't think you're doing yourselves any favours.
My 2 cents.
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Bad Harlequin
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Posted - 2004.01.05 16:40:00 -
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Edited by: Bad Harlequin on 05/01/2004 16:43:06
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all of you just stop. Please, don't even front. I'm sure if someone teleported into one of YOUR mining ops, and shortly thereafter you were invaded by your favorite enemies, you'd be all sweetness and love and free of all suspicion
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If you mean events to be enemies showing up and smashing your mining ops, well, what fun.
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canned response is autoreply. this is unfortunately going to be a furball, because scouting the area for an event and tipping evol off to the mining op are sadly not mutually exclusive activities.
Wow... the hatred!
I'd like to point out something... the original claim of abuse by Lallante never says anything like "And after Kerren left, Evolution made a beeline right for us. And they showed that they had obvious advance knowledge."
Yes, if a volunteer was scouting out an area, and then player forces were making use of that info, there would be hell to pay. But it didn't happen. All that we have are baseless accusations.
So, cut it out, please. Thanks.
You did it AGAIN!
You left out my line stating we need to be patient in this vcery quote and declare "the hatred?" You're kidding, right?
I don't suppose you noticed my requests elsewhere that the spam-topic-posts stop until the petition is resolved?
What hatred? I would certianly expect a team lead to be a little less paranoid, 'cause i'm really weirded out now. Clipping things out of context and, what, trying to convince us that we're all just out to get you for no reason? This is just unbelievable.
You are in a maze of twisty little asteroids, all alike. |
Jash Illian
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Posted - 2004.01.05 16:40:00 -
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Out of sight, out of mind.
People will always accuse volunteers/GMs of less than legit behavior. It's part of the job. About 99% of what's publically suspicious is, in fact, them just doing their jobs. 99% of what is illegal behavior is never seen. Cleaned up quietly and efficiently.
I don't know what the Polaris was doing in CA and honestly I don't care. In the end it's his word vs someone else's, until proven otherwise. Guess what? In a fair world, the word of 2 individuals bear equal strength for both parties: nothing or everything.
So regardless of what may/may not have taken place the suggestions were given on good faith, backed by experience: Out of sight, out of mind. Quite simply put: nobody would have been any wiser if he wasn't ever seen.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
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