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CCP Phantom
C C P C C P Alliance
7798
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Posted - 2017.05.18 16:45:20 -
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Color blindness can severely affect the readability of an otherwise great user interface. In EVE, we now would like to improve the UI in such a way that color blind people can adjust the color scheme to their needs.
Check out further details in the latest dev blog Color Blindness support is coming to EVE Online.
You also can check out the beta feature on our test server Singularity. Once you have tested the feature, please support our efforts by replying to this survey. Thanks!
CCP Phantom - Senior Community Developer
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HyperFlareX
Know your Role League of Unaligned Master Pilots
30
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Posted - 2017.05.18 17:03:41 -
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I applaud CCP for taking the time to implement this! We in the majority might think it's wasted efforts, but it makes a huge difference for the affected. New Eden for all! |
Helothane
Ascendent. Test Alliance Please Ignore
50
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Posted - 2017.05.18 17:25:38 -
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At Fan Fest 2012 I was at the GUI round table and asked the very first question, which was about the difficultly that I had with colors in game as someone who is red/green colorblind. I was assured at that time that it was something that was checked for.
Yeeeaaah.....
While I am glad that there is progress being made on that five years later, part of the issue are the symbols used in game. The same symbol is used in the overview/local listing for someone who is in my corp, someone who is in my alliance and someone who has an active wardec against me. That doesn't make sense. Please expand the range of symbols used. |
Tingerz
UK Industries The Serenity Initiative
1
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Posted - 2017.05.18 17:40:25 -
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As someone who is severely colourblind....... and as someone with a wife who when she asks me to "pass the X colour item" looks at me with astonishment when she gets the reply "Are you taking the ****"...... I thank you sincerely for this
I loved the "match UI colour to ship" thing..... until I jumped in my Cruor and quite literally lost all of my channel tabs |
Mal Lokrano
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
15
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Posted - 2017.05.18 17:54:51 -
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Great job, I am surprised this wasn't added years ago.
"When going to a Party with wine, women, and song. Always ascertain the vintage of the first two."
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DiDDleR
Skunkdogz Corporation
24
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Posted - 2017.05.18 18:00:18 -
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This is good news - or it sounds like good news until you get to the bit that says -
Quote:There are a couple UI areas where color blind mode does not work for the time being (most noticeably the scanning 3d scene), but it is our hope weGÇÖll get all those areas covered in the future.
^ This is the main problem I find and I suffer from Protanopia, other parts of the game don't really seem to cause me problems. It it the fact that the scanning screen is black and the icons for the signatures are dark red which makes them very hard to see.
In fact I logged a ticket about this in September (ticket number #268893) -
Quote:Hello I'm red / green colour blind and I find it extremely difficult to distinguish the red cosmic signature dots within the probe scanner view. They blend into the black background making it extremely difficult to use the probe scanner.
Is there any option to either change the background colour of the probe scanner or change the colour / size of the red dots?
I used to love exploring but now its almost impossible as I can't use the new interface.
I received a pretty nice reply which said that my issue would be raised with the relevant team and that I should also bring it up with the CSM in the forums.
Please sort out the scanning interface for us colour blind users this really is one of the things that really sucks!
I will also test out the new features you have implemented on Sisi and report back using the survey form.
Thanks and keep up the great work!
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Hetty Lang
Kratus Tria
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Posted - 2017.05.18 18:01:42 -
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Great idea
Though i would like to see some work done of the color differences done to the icons colors for crystals, must admit i have problems telling the difference between some of them, particularly crystals that are different shade of the same color
Hopefully you can give some thought to making the color of crystals stronger colors or different colors altogether
Keep up the good work :)
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Daniel VonDerDerp
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2017.05.18 18:18:56 -
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Just wanted to say, good on CCP for implementing this. Not colorblind, but I've worked with people who are. Always nice to see life being made easier for them!
Now, can you make some UI changes to accommodate how nothing makes sense after six or seven drinks? I find this to be a recurring problem I have... |
John Blick
Gradient Electus Matari
0
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Posted - 2017.05.18 18:27:50 -
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I agree with the best fix being different symbols. Colors are unreliable even with any sort of "fix"
I have Dueteronimia (sp, I know), and have panic'd so many times when it was just somebody from my corp.
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Mixu Paatelainen
Eve Refinery
228
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Posted - 2017.05.18 18:31:45 -
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Awesome I'm very pleased that this has made it into the game :) |
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Arline Kley
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
675
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Posted - 2017.05.18 18:34:38 -
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Just a question really: Now that the Colour Blind mode is being developed, will the original UI colour sliders come back for those without?
"For it was said they had become like those peculiar demons, which dwell in matter but in whom no light may be found." - Father Grigori, Ravens 3:57
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Ebony Texas
The Alabaster Albatross Sev3rance
7
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Posted - 2017.05.18 18:57:11 -
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its about time ccp get it together, however they still need to work on our other players who have handicaps and need much attention to the accessibility options they deserve.
get to work and make eve for EVERYONE.
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Marcus Tedric
Zebra Corp Goonswarm Federation
127
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Posted - 2017.05.18 18:58:29 -
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Colour 'Perception' has always been the nicer phrase...... Much more accurate too.
But this is a long asked for step - thank you.
Don't soil your panties, you guys made a good point, we'll look at the numbers again. - CCP Ytterbium
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Mr Floydy
Footloose Phoebe Freeport Republic
358
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Posted - 2017.05.18 19:16:18 -
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Not colour blind, but about time! I know a lot of people have been asking for this for years so great to see it finally happen :) |
Ms Michigan
Aviation Professionals for EVE Virtus Crusade Protectorate
111
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Posted - 2017.05.18 19:27:27 -
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Helothane wrote: Please expand the range of symbols used.
Seconded |
Min Mar
Republic University Minmatar Republic
17
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Posted - 2017.05.18 19:39:36 -
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As part of the 8%, I too applaud your efforts to help us out. I would suggest that you include a link to a site that can help those afflicted identify the nature of their color impairedness so your surveys can be answered with accurate information.
Here is a link to one: http://enchroma.com/test/instructions/
Looking forward to the tests on Sisi
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Erika Mizune
The Soul Society Army of New Eden
2442
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Posted - 2017.05.18 19:43:46 -
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I love this and it's about time that accessibility options are getting added to the game! Would love to see this expanded to other options as well in the future.
DJ Yumene of Eve Radio | Blog | Sounds of New Eden | Eve Radio | BPO Quest | Erika 4 CSM
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Sha'Uri Dark
Almost Dangerous Stranger Danger.
24
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Posted - 2017.05.18 21:15:11 -
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9% of the player base used the advanced audio settings; we were deemed to insignificant and not worth the effort to maintain the code
Less than 8% of the player base is color blind
Enjoy it while it lasts |
sero Hita
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
361
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Posted - 2017.05.18 21:19:23 -
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Thx
"I'm all for pvp, don't get me wrong. I've ganked in Empire, blobed in low sec. Got T-shirts from every which-where.. But to be forced into a pvp confrontation that I didn't want is wrong ccp." RealFlisker
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Cloon McCloon
Space Fukery
31
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Posted - 2017.05.18 21:42:31 -
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Ok, i'll be the bad guy and say what the 92% are thinking... screw colour blind people, work on real issues. Society caters too much to the weak and indigent as it is, to the point where kids can't even go to school with a peanut anymore and everyone is offended by everything. Example: Marcus Tedric wrote:Colour 'Perception' has always been the nicer phrase...... Much more accurate too..
If you're color blind, waaah... you can play eve with just the overview anyways. |
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Toro Issier
Hermanos de Sangre
0
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Posted - 2017.05.18 21:58:06 -
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I applaud CCP for taking the time to implement this! Its a great advance , now you can continue including Spanish translation for the game, according to the internet,It is the second language of the world by the number of people who speak it and also the third language with more Internet users, after Chinese and English. Just a suggestion...
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Justin Cody
Hard Knocks Inc. Hard Knocks Citizens
357
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Posted - 2017.05.18 23:01:21 -
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CCP Phantom wrote:Color blindness can severely affect the readability of an otherwise great user interface. In EVE, we now would like to improve the UI in such a way that color blind people can adjust the color scheme to their needs. Check out further details in the latest dev blog Color Blindness support is coming to EVE Online. You also can check out the beta feature on our test server Singularity. Once you have tested the feature, please support our efforts by replying to this survey. Thanks!
A quick notification: The test server Singularity is currently being updated. As soon as the update is complete and Singularity online again, you can log in and check out the new feature again.
Good - I have had this concern for a long time and I am glad that this is finally being realized. I am not color blind but I know many players who are. Good job - keep up the good work. |
Wairui
COLT. Official Winners Of Takeshi's Castle
3
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Posted - 2017.05.19 05:45:23 -
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CCP Phantom, thank you and CCP for considering colour vision deficiencies in the design of GUI colour palettes.
One of the biggest positives that can come out of your initiative is to inform the majority of players that about 6% or more of players have some form of colour vision deficiency or actual colour blindness. Very few of the majority understand that it can actually affect gameplay.
I got kicked out of Repo Industries, a wormhole corp, because in part I couldn't use their labour-intensive scanning methodology that forced me to identify the WH class using the subtle colouring and hues of the WH features I scan down.* Something I could not physically do.
Fortunately, my deuteranomaly ( most common specific deficiency IIRC ) doesn't significantly hinder Eve game play elsewhere. My sight is considered "green weak", i.e. my malfunctioning green-sensitive cones have decreased sensitivity to the green area of the light spectrum. Tough to distinguish hues in that part of the spectrum.
The difference in colour brightness helps - Eve often uses colours with strong contrast in brightness which is good.
* TIP for players with a colour vision deficiency/blindness considering a wormhole career: consider WH corporations that use Vippy AND Vippy's built-in auto-name numbers by static system for wormhole chain mapping and bookmarking. It is designed for quick and time-saving mapping/BM'ing of WH signatures without mucking around.
More importantly, auto-name numbers by static system does NOT require visual class identification on WHs. Vippy is designed and supported BY wormhole pro's FOR WH pro's.
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CCP The Funk
C C P C C P Alliance
1
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Posted - 2017.05.19 09:50:10 -
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DiDDleR wrote:This is good news - or it sounds like good news until you get to the bit that says - Quote:There are a couple UI areas where color blind mode does not work for the time being (most noticeably the scanning 3d scene), but it is our hope weGÇÖll get all those areas covered in the future. ^ This is the main problem I find and I suffer from Protanopia, other parts of the game don't really seem to cause me problems. It it the fact that the scanning screen is black and the icons for the signatures are dark red which makes them very hard to see. In fact I logged a ticket about this in September (ticket number #268893) - Quote:Hello I'm red / green colour blind and I find it extremely difficult to distinguish the red cosmic signature dots within the probe scanner view. They blend into the black background making it extremely difficult to use the probe scanner.
Is there any option to either change the background colour of the probe scanner or change the colour / size of the red dots?
I used to love exploring but now its almost impossible as I can't use the new interface.
I received a pretty nice reply which said that my issue would be raised with the relevant team and that I should also bring it up with the CSM in the forums. Please sort out the scanning interface for us colour blind users this really is one of the things that really sucks! I will also test out the new features you have implemented on Sisi and report back using the survey form. Thanks and keep up the great work!
Thanks for raising this with us, this is only a first version so unfortunately it doesn't cover everything we'd like. EVE has a number of different system that generate parts of the interface and hopefully we can extend the coverage of this mode as we keep developing it. Buuuuut if you jump on Singularity, give it a shot and submit some feedback through the survey we're using that info when deciding what to do next. |
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CCP The Funk
C C P C C P Alliance
1
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Posted - 2017.05.19 09:57:22 -
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Ebony Texas wrote:its about time ccp get it together, however they still need to work on our other players who have handicaps and need much attention to the accessibility options they deserve.
get to work and make eve for EVERYONE.
This is something I'm interested in for sure. EVE actually works with a number of accessibility controls and in the customisability of the UI makes it accessible for some disabilities. But I'd definitely be interested in hearing more about where we could improve. If you have some specific examples in mind? |
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CCP The Funk
C C P C C P Alliance
1
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Posted - 2017.05.19 09:58:41 -
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Min Mar wrote:As part of the 8%, I too applaud your efforts to help us out. I would suggest that you include a link to a site that can help those afflicted identify the nature of their color impairedness so your surveys can be answered with accurate information. Here is a link to one: http://enchroma.com/test/instructions/ Looking forward to the tests on Sisi
This is a really good suggestion, thanks. |
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Marcus Tedric
Zebra Corp Goonswarm Federation
128
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Posted - 2017.05.19 12:42:35 -
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Cloon McCloon wrote:Ok, i'll be the bad guy and say what the 92% are thinking... screw colour blind people, work on real issues. Society caters too much to the weak and indigent as it is, to the point where kids can't even go to school with a peanut anymore and everyone is offended by everything. Example: Marcus Tedric wrote:Colour 'Perception' has always been the nicer phrase...... Much more accurate too.. If you're color blind, waaah... you can play eve with just the overview anyways.
Ho ho! Interesting comment from the simply ignorant.
Colour 'blindness' is a fixed genetic mutation that has enabled the survival of the human species.
So, without the 8% - the self-entitled twats like yourself wouldn't even exist.
Don't soil your panties, you guys made a good point, we'll look at the numbers again. - CCP Ytterbium
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Kismeteer
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
888
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Posted - 2017.05.19 17:06:31 -
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The original reason I started the KisOver Overview is that I am color blind. I could not tell the green from the red in most over the standard overviews, so I couldn't tell people in my corp from war targets. Which is pretty significant.
Thank you for this. I'll let you guys know what I think once Singularity responds for me. |
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CCP The Funk
C C P C C P Alliance
1
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Posted - 2017.05.19 17:18:15 -
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Kismeteer wrote:The original reason I started the KisOver Overview is that I am color blind. I could not tell the green from the red in most over the standard overviews, so I couldn't tell people in my corp from war targets. Which is pretty significant.
Thank you for this. I'll let you guys know what I think once Singularity responds for me.
Brilliant stuff, interested to hear your thoughts. |
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Joia Crenca
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
372
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Posted - 2017.05.19 17:58:05 -
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Marcus Tedric wrote:Cloon McCloon wrote:Ok, i'll be the bad guy and say what the 92% are thinking... screw colour blind people, work on real issues. Society caters too much to the weak and indigent as it is, to the point where kids can't even go to school with a peanut anymore and everyone is offended by everything. Example: Marcus Tedric wrote:Colour 'Perception' has always been the nicer phrase...... Much more accurate too.. If you're color blind, waaah... you can play eve with just the overview anyways. Ho ho! Interesting comment from the simply ignorant. Colour 'blindness' is a fixed genetic mutation that has enabled the survival of the human species. So, without the 8% - the self-entitled twats like yourself wouldn't even exist.
Oh my... either the person is trolling madly or really is this bad. This 'bad guy' represents why we have large portions of the world where females have no rights in life, why one can be jailed for being a different color or religion and why those who become injured or sick often become targets of hate. The momentum against such can and should be continued. CCP, Thank you for working on the color blind assistance. |
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Luca Lure
Obertura
77
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Posted - 2017.05.20 12:50:58 -
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CCP thank you. This will help a lot of people enjoy EVE better. I tested it shortly and it seems to improve the game for me. Thank you.
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Kismeteer
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
889
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Posted - 2017.05.20 17:51:48 -
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Couple notes:
Please put red/green or blue/yellow after the type of colorblindness, some people don't know which type they are, but they certainly know the colors.
Can you try to not change the current active colors that they can see? The undock button is blue now! :v So take the current spectrum and leave it alone if it is in the normal spectrum.
The module colors are a huge life style change for me, thank you. Changing to blue and yellow, I can see when my module has been selected to cycle off.
Turning on colorblindness mode Deuteranopia makes the number of stacks on a weapon list disappear since it chooses white on Yellow, I think? I was using a light missile launcher just had a yellow bar next to the number of missiles, number not readable.
Rats are yellow! That's certainly a shift.
For the two color, low sec routes are still bluish, which is confusing. I don't know if there is a way to expand more towards the hostile yellows of null sec.
Certainly makes the game a lot more playable for me, thank you! I don't know if I'll change at this point 11 years into my career though, except in extreme cases. I might just remove green, as confusing red and green can be confusing, and there isn't that much green in the overview anyway. Unless all the colors shift as they do right now.
Don't let my critical comments confuse you, thanks for the hard work, I do appreciate it. There are other games like Paths of Exile where it is basically unplayable at a high level because I can't tell the differences between sockets and gems.
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CCP The Funk
C C P C C P Alliance
1
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Posted - 2017.05.22 10:02:02 -
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Kismeteer wrote:Couple notes: Please put red/green or blue/yellow after the type of colorblindness, some people don't know which type they are, but they certainly know the colors. Can you try to not change the current active colors that they can see? The undock button is blue now! :v So take the current spectrum and leave it alone if it is in the normal spectrum. The module colors are a huge life style change for me, thank you. Changing to blue and yellow, I can see when my module has been selected to cycle off. Turning on colorblindness mode Deuteranopia makes the number of stacks on a weapon list disappear since it chooses white on Yellow, I think? I was using a light missile launcher just had a yellow bar next to the number of missiles, number not readable. Rats are yellow! That's certainly a shift. For the two color, low sec routes are still bluish, which is confusing. I don't know if there is a way to expand more towards the hostile yellows of null sec. Certainly makes the game a lot more playable for me, thank you! I don't know if I'll change at this point 11 years into my career though, except in extreme cases. I might just remove green, as confusing red and green can be confusing, and there isn't that much green in the overview anyway. Unless all the colors shift as they do right now. Don't let my critical comments confuse you, thanks for the hard work, I do appreciate it. There are other games like Paths of Exile where it is basically unplayable at a high level because I can't tell the differences between sockets and gems.
This is really good feedback, thanks for trying it out! |
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Othran
Route One
782
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Posted - 2017.05.22 13:34:33 -
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Its good that you are FINALLY doing something about this issue - gods only know its been raised enough times here & by CSM.
I suspect that you'll find most of the colour blind vets (I'm not colour blind) need some "inducement" to contribute to your tests as they've got used to the colours they see now (hello Deran ).
Everyone else who's been colour blind buggered off long ago - taken you all far too long to accommodate nearly 10% of your potential customers - especially the ones who wanted to PvP, you try sorting out an overview which works when its pretty much 99% murky shades of the same "colour"
Don't take it personally CCP The Funk, I'm happy someone is finally doing something but CCP as a company has been totally "blind" to the problem forever Its cost them a lot of cash over the years but I guess it didn't land on the :awesome: list at the meetings..... |
croakroach
Guardians of the Gate I Aim To Misbehave
29
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Posted - 2017.05.29 23:51:04 -
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I played around with the settings and would feel better if we have the option of selecting the replacements instead of replacement scales. Perhaps use the scale for maps/UI stuff but allow us to pick and choose overview/inspace colors.
First impressions: enemy red box now looks yellow box, enemy NPC were blue, the enemy ewar icons became some weird shade. Highly confusing.
What I prefer to do is eliminate as much of the crap as possible and make important things visible to me. I.e:
Current Overview Settings
If it were possible, i would make friendly NPC black, enemy stay the current color. Yellow box be white, and red box be yellow or slightly lighter red.
There are so many forms of color blindness it would be easier to let us pick and choose and it would add value to normal players also. |
Anke Eyrou
Hades Sisters
100
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Posted - 2017.06.05 06:59:58 -
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Awesome. For a game based on colours this is going to be a game changer for me being colour blind. No longer trying to look for red dots on a black background which is almost impossible. Thank you for implementing this.
I expect to get this post deleted or locked. So much for freedom of expression.
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Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
1654
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Posted - 2017.06.06 13:44:42 -
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While I'm not affected, this is still very good news. +1 to CCP and some additional likes to CCP The Funk for caring.
Remove standings and insurance.
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Agrikaan
Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance
28
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Posted - 2017.06.09 05:23:07 -
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+1 for the effort to CCP.
Arline Kley wrote:Just a question really: Now that the Colour Blind mode is being developed, will the original UI colour sliders come back for those without?
And +1 to that, with a -8 for CCP.
The ability to pick any color to various GUI object is something that is badly missed, as the crappy static options it was replaced with suck, a "feature" no one wanted, and was done for no apparent reason. |
Min Mar
Republic University Minmatar Republic
18
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Posted - 2017.06.17 23:33:33 -
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Thank you for implementing this feature, it has already made my life much easier. Also, thank you for allowing me to customize the feature and not rely on presets.
A few suggestions:
1) Please consider expanding the different color scheme to the bookmark folders so system bookmarks pop out more at the user. 2) Replace the red sig sphere in the scanning map with a different color (for those of us with red/green issues)
and a question:
what is supposed to happen when a user saves an overview in one setting, e.g. Deut and that setting is imported into a user with no custom color blind mode? |
John Blick
Gradient Electus Matari
3
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Posted - 2017.06.27 02:00:49 -
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Min Mar wrote:As part of the 8%, I too applaud your efforts to help us out. I would suggest that you include a link to a site that can help those afflicted identify the nature of their color impairedness so your surveys can be answered with accurate information. Here is a link to one: http://enchroma.com/test/instructions/ Looking forward to the tests on Sisi
+1 and a whole bunch of exclamation points! |
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