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Stephanie Rosefire
Jarlhettur's Drop
64
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Posted - 2017.05.19 12:14:29 -
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Sick of current transports not being big enough, and freighters being way too large and slow. Give us Large size (battleship size) transports, that can carry up to, idk, 100k m3? 150k? or whatever. Transporting ships is a pain, and when i wanna transport something like a BS or two and a handful of cruisers, transports arent large enough and freighters are waaay too large and slow. Give us something in the middle
Probably been discussed to death and back, but throwing in my frustrations :P Also large size mining ships would be cool. Would probably need heavy balancing or made super niche to not totally devalue exhumers. |
Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker
1394
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Posted - 2017.05.19 12:23:29 -
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Orca? Bowhead?
When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
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Lugh Crow-Slave
3926
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Posted - 2017.05.19 12:25:48 -
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This has been brought up over and over, you're right. And had you searched you would also know the ship(s) you are looking for exist
BLOPS Hauler
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Stephanie Rosefire
Jarlhettur's Drop
64
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Posted - 2017.05.19 12:33:41 -
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Not really, orca can only move fitted ships, not packaged ships, and bowhead is the exact same size as a freighter, so its just as slow. |
Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker
1396
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Posted - 2017.05.19 12:38:08 -
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Stephanie Rosefire wrote:Not really, orca can only move fitted ships, not packaged ships, and bowhead is the exact same size as a freighter, so its just as slow. Do you know how fitting a ship works?
When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
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Rhaegon Aesir
Static-Shock
6
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Posted - 2017.05.19 12:38:31 -
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Oops, double post :P |
Rhaegon Aesir
Static-Shock
6
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Posted - 2017.05.19 12:43:03 -
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Stephanie Rosefire wrote:Large size (battleship size) transports, that can carry up to, idk, 100k m3? 150k? or whatever.
A cargo-fit orca can carry just over 100k m3 in its main cargohold, 40k m3 in the Fleet Hangar, and has another 400k m3 for assembled ships in the Ship Maintenance Bay. This is even more than you asked for.
Next time, please do at least some cursory research on the things you want to ask for, before you ask them. As is the case here, you will often find that you are not, in fact, the first person to think of such a thing, and CCP has already gone ahead and put it in the game. :) |
Stephanie Rosefire
Jarlhettur's Drop
64
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Posted - 2017.05.19 12:43:54 -
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Linus Gorp wrote:Stephanie Rosefire wrote:Not really, orca can only move fitted ships, not packaged ships, and bowhead is the exact same size as a freighter, so its just as slow. Do you know how fitting a ship works?
-_- yes, but you cant fit a fitted battleship into an orca -_- let alone more than one. and im not talking about about fitted ships, im just talking about packaged ships, which an orca cant hold more than 1 packaged battleships, 2 with certain fits. |
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5516
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Posted - 2017.05.19 12:54:23 -
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Stephanie Rosefire wrote:Linus Gorp wrote:Stephanie Rosefire wrote:Not really, orca can only move fitted ships, not packaged ships, and bowhead is the exact same size as a freighter, so its just as slow. Do you know how fitting a ship works? -_- yes, but you cant fit a fitted battleship into an orca -_- let alone more than one. and im not talking about about fitted ships, im just talking about packaged ships, which an orca cant hold more than 1 packaged battleships, 2 with certain fits.
You're asking for 100k, but 100k+40k isn't big enough?
If two battleships plus four cruisers isn't enough, then how much is? And what sort of pricerange do you see this thing coming in at? I assume you're asking for orca capacity at occator price? |
Scialt
Universal Sanitation Corporation
131
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Posted - 2017.05.19 12:55:40 -
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Stephanie Rosefire wrote:Linus Gorp wrote:Stephanie Rosefire wrote:Not really, orca can only move fitted ships, not packaged ships, and bowhead is the exact same size as a freighter, so its just as slow. Do you know how fitting a ship works? -_- yes, but you cant fit a fitted battleship into an orca -_- let alone more than one. and im not talking about about fitted ships, im just talking about packaged ships, which an orca cant hold more than 1 packaged battleships, 2 with certain fits.
Again... an Orca that is fit for maximized cargo can hold 100,000 m3 in it's cargo hold in ADDITION to the assembled ships it can carry. The OP asked for 100,000 m3 cargo... which the Orca can achieve.
And it also has the other holds to go with that cargo space. It seems to fit the bill. |
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Elenahina
Agony Unleashed The Bastard Cartel
1704
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Posted - 2017.05.19 13:27:32 -
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Scialt wrote:Stephanie Rosefire wrote:Linus Gorp wrote:Stephanie Rosefire wrote:Not really, orca can only move fitted ships, not packaged ships, and bowhead is the exact same size as a freighter, so its just as slow. Do you know how fitting a ship works? -_- yes, but you cant fit a fitted battleship into an orca -_- let alone more than one. and im not talking about about fitted ships, im just talking about packaged ships, which an orca cant hold more than 1 packaged battleships, 2 with certain fits. Again... an Orca that is fit for maximized cargo can hold 100,000 m3 in it's cargo hold in ADDITION to the assembled ships it can carry. The OP asked for 100,000 m3 cargo... which the Orca can achieve. And it also has the other holds to go with that cargo space. It seems to fit the bill.
Damnit I don't know what I really want but I want it right ******* now!
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
28236
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Posted - 2017.05.19 17:13:54 -
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Elenahina wrote:Damnit I don't know what I really want but I want it right ******* now! I considered a really smutty comment in response to this but instead:
This seems to be a general malaise in F&I, also in people born in the late 1900's*
* It feels weird to say/type late 1900's
In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.
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Old Pervert
Perkone Caldari State
80
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Posted - 2017.05.19 17:29:41 -
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So.. an Orca has a volume of 10.25 million m3.
Your average battleship has a volume of 0.5 million m3.
You want a "battleship sized transport". To me that reads as "I want a transport with dimensions that resemble those of a battleship"... so I'll be answering in that context.
You don't want that, unless you want something with about double the capacity of a T1 indy ship. It's certainly a far way away from the 100k m3.
"I want bigger and I want faster" fails to justify anything.
Get a carrier, jump it between destinations. A niddy has a 1M m3 maintenance bay. Well in excess of your goals, and a jump drive is WAY faster.
If it's for highsec then you must deal with the fact that highsec is supposed to be slower-paced, where the carebears can keep up. |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Shadow Cartel
11663
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Posted - 2017.05.19 17:40:52 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
* It feels weird to say/type late 1900's
Hehe...
Wanna feel really old?
- the first Toy Story was made 22 years ago
- Nickelodeon debuted its first original animated series in 1991 GÇô Doug, Rugrats, and The Ren & Stimpy Show GÇô under the Nicktoons banner. That was 26 years ago.
- the original iPhone more or less came out 10 years ago.
- Anyone born in the 1980s and earlier sbould remember what a rotery phone is. And how to use it. Oh, and don't forget how one had to send messages via payphone without actually paying (ex: "Say. Your. Name. After. The. Prompt" *beeeeep* "Heymomcomepickmeupon30thandgrand,loveyoubye!!" )
How did you Veterans start?
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
28236
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Posted - 2017.05.19 19:51:06 -
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ShahFluffers wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
* It feels weird to say/type late 1900's
Hehe... Wanna feel really old? - the first Toy Story was made 22 years ago - Nickelodeon debuted its first original animated series in 1991 GÇô Doug, Rugrats, and The Ren & Stimpy Show GÇô under the Nicktoons banner. That was 26 years ago. - the original iPhone more or less came out 10 years ago. - Anyone born in the 1980s and earlier sbould remember what a rotery phone is. And how to use it. Oh, and don't forget how one had to send messages via payphone without actually paying (ex: "Say. Your. Name. After. The. Prompt" *beeeeep* "Heymomcomepickmeupon30thandgrand,loveyoubye!!" ) I saw A New Hope in the cinema on the day it released; it's 40 years old next Thursday.
In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.
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Feyd's Survival Pack
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Cade Windstalker
1541
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Posted - 2017.05.21 05:25:05 -
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Stephanie Rosefire wrote:Not really, orca can only move fitted ships, not packaged ships, and bowhead is the exact same size as a freighter, so its just as slow.
An Orca actually has quite a bit of regular cargo space, and a Bowhead is *much* faster than a Freighter because a Bowhead can fit a MWD and use that to warp faster. Throw in a warp speed rig and implants on top of that and it's not too bad for speed compared to, say, an Orca which is the baseline for the kind of cargo capacity you're asking for (while also complaining that it doesn't carry enough).
Stephanie Rosefire wrote:-_- yes, but you cant fit a fitted battleship into an orca -_- let alone more than one. and im not talking about about fitted ships, im just talking about packaged ships, which an orca cant hold more than 1 packaged battleships, 2 with certain fits.
And yet that's exactly the kind of cargo capacity you're asking for...
OP, it's not supposed to be quick and easy to move large volumes of stuff around space. That's why Freighters are slow, that's why ships get slower quickly as cargo capacity increases.
If you want to haul a large number of hulls around either get an Orca or a Bowhead, or just bite the bullet and get a Freighter. |
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
3018
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Posted - 2017.05.21 05:31:38 -
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Orcas are already cheaper than T2 battleships and that's the sort of thing you're asking for, right? Just get an Orca. Or a freighter. Or a JF. There are options in the range you're asking. |
Tiberius NoVegas
EVE University Ivy League
23
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Posted - 2017.06.06 03:48:27 -
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im in agreement with the OP, i see a large demand for a new crago ship to fill the gap between industrial and freighter.
as it stands most industrial's have a cargo hold of 2,100-5,800 (minus the Hoarder) with a base cost around 1.5 million max. some industrial's when properly fitted get around 40,000 cargo. The next jump in the Industrial line-up is frieighter that jumps to a 400,000 cargo hold with a base cost around 1.2 billion and when properly fitted can easily break the 1,000,000 cargo mark. That leaves a gap for a 40,000-400,000 cargo hold ship. while your argument that the Orca fill this gap is more of a band aid fix when you consider that industrial's get up to a 25% bonus to the cargo hold and are not limited by what they can actually haul (minus the Hoarder again). so if there existed a mid-class hauler ship with a cargo hold around 50,000 and 3-4 low slots, they would be able to easily fill this industrial gap with a maxed cargo build allowing up to 300,000 cargo hold. This would help alleviate the massive gap in industrial's allowing pilots to better transition from one industrial ship to another.
My recommendation is break industrial's into 3 category's: T1- Transports - should be current industrial line up T2 - Cutter(Fast Transport) - Current T2 industrial's as they are now
T1 - Cargo - should be the new line up to fill in the gap T2 - Blockade Runner - T2 Cargo ships with similar bonus's to the current T2 industrials
T1 - Freighters - remained as they are T2 - Jump Freighters - as they are now |
SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
3143
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Posted - 2017.06.06 04:32:50 -
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Stephanie Rosefire wrote:Linus Gorp wrote:Stephanie Rosefire wrote:Not really, orca can only move fitted ships, not packaged ships, and bowhead is the exact same size as a freighter, so its just as slow. Do you know how fitting a ship works? -_- yes, but you cant fit a fitted battleship into an orca -_- let alone more than one. and im not talking about about fitted ships, im just talking about packaged ships, which an orca cant hold more than 1 packaged battleships, 2 with certain fits.
Your goalposts need to stop overheating their MWD.
Your OP literally said, "Transporting ships is a pain, and when i wanna transport something like a BS or two and a handful of cruisers, transports arent large enough and freighters are waaay too large and slow."
A cargo-fit Orca can move "a BS or two" in the cargohold, along with 4 packaged cruisers in the fleet hangar and 4 more in the maintenance bay.
It satisfactorily fulfills the precise need you elected to use as an example in your OP.
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Teckos Pech
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
6555
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Posted - 2017.06.06 06:32:11 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:ShahFluffers wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
* It feels weird to say/type late 1900's
Hehe... Wanna feel really old? - the first Toy Story was made 22 years ago - Nickelodeon debuted its first original animated series in 1991 GÇô Doug, Rugrats, and The Ren & Stimpy Show GÇô under the Nicktoons banner. That was 26 years ago. - the original iPhone more or less came out 10 years ago. - Anyone born in the 1980s and earlier sbould remember what a rotery phone is. And how to use it. Oh, and don't forget how one had to send messages via payphone without actually paying (ex: "Say. Your. Name. After. The. Prompt" *beeeeep* "Heymomcomepickmeupon30thandgrand,loveyoubye!!" ) I saw A New Hope in the cinema on the day it released; it's 40 years old next Thursday.
Jesus...are we that old guys?
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Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker
1499
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Posted - 2017.06.06 08:13:01 -
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Teckos Pech wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:ShahFluffers wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
* It feels weird to say/type late 1900's
Hehe... Wanna feel really old? - the first Toy Story was made 22 years ago - Nickelodeon debuted its first original animated series in 1991 GÇô Doug, Rugrats, and The Ren & Stimpy Show GÇô under the Nicktoons banner. That was 26 years ago. - the original iPhone more or less came out 10 years ago. - Anyone born in the 1980s and earlier sbould remember what a rotery phone is. And how to use it. Oh, and don't forget how one had to send messages via payphone without actually paying (ex: "Say. Your. Name. After. The. Prompt" *beeeeep* "Heymomcomepickmeupon30thandgrand,loveyoubye!!" ) I saw A New Hope in the cinema on the day it released; it's 40 years old next Thursday. Jesus...are we that old guys? Yes. Now look at the millenials and ask yourself if you'd want to grow up like that. I certainly don't and my kids won't.
When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
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Avaelica Kuershin
Paper Cats
358
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Posted - 2017.06.06 09:03:11 -
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Tiberius NoVegas wrote:im in agreement with the OP, i see a large demand for a new crago ship to fill the gap between industrial and freighter.
Deep Space Transport? Admittedly, only 62500 cubic metres with maxed skills
Also, another old fart who saw the original Star Wars on release. |
Dior Ambraelle
University of Caille Gallente Federation
64
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Posted - 2017.06.06 11:53:20 -
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Teckos Pech wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:ShahFluffers wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
* It feels weird to say/type late 1900's
Hehe... Wanna feel really old? - the first Toy Story was made 22 years ago - Nickelodeon debuted its first original animated series in 1991 GÇô Doug, Rugrats, and The Ren & Stimpy Show GÇô under the Nicktoons banner. That was 26 years ago. - the original iPhone more or less came out 10 years ago. - Anyone born in the 1980s and earlier sbould remember what a rotery phone is. And how to use it. Oh, and don't forget how one had to send messages via payphone without actually paying (ex: "Say. Your. Name. After. The. Prompt" *beeeeep* "Heymomcomepickmeupon30thandgrand,loveyoubye!!" ) I saw A New Hope in the cinema on the day it released; it's 40 years old next Thursday. Jesus...are we that old guys? Who had the first version of the Game Boy here? It was released on April 21st, 1989 in Japan. By the way that thing is over a month older than I am! Does this make me young or old?
If you want an intelligent argument, please do, I'm up for it!
But if you want a trolling contest, I will win it by simply not participating.
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Lugh Crow-Slave
3993
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Posted - 2017.06.06 12:41:29 -
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Dior Ambraelle wrote:Teckos Pech wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:ShahFluffers wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
* It feels weird to say/type late 1900's
Hehe... Wanna feel really old? - the first Toy Story was made 22 years ago - Nickelodeon debuted its first original animated series in 1991 GÇô Doug, Rugrats, and The Ren & Stimpy Show GÇô under the Nicktoons banner. That was 26 years ago. - the original iPhone more or less came out 10 years ago. - Anyone born in the 1980s and earlier sbould remember what a rotery phone is. And how to use it. Oh, and don't forget how one had to send messages via payphone without actually paying (ex: "Say. Your. Name. After. The. Prompt" *beeeeep* "Heymomcomepickmeupon30thandgrand,loveyoubye!!" ) I saw A New Hope in the cinema on the day it released; it's 40 years old next Thursday. Jesus...are we that old guys? Who had the first version of the Game Boy here? It was released on April 21st, 1989 in Japan. By the way that thing is over a month older than I am! Does this make me young or old?
... young you're not even 30
BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
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Axure Abbacus
Pentex Subsidiaries Corp
48
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Posted - 2017.06.06 13:26:55 -
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Get off my lawn, it slows down my dial up. I think an Intergalactic backpack is what the op is looking for. That would deprive them the experience of having assets spread across half a dozen regions.
It's not safe out here. It's wondrous, with treasures to satiate desires both subtle and gross. But it's not for the timid.
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Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
3369
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Posted - 2017.06.06 15:22:31 -
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ShahFluffers wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
* It feels weird to say/type late 1900's
Hehe... Wanna feel really old? - the first Toy Story was made 22 years ago - Nickelodeon debuted its first original animated series in 1991 GÇô Doug, Rugrats, and The Ren & Stimpy Show GÇô under the Nicktoons banner. That was 26 years ago. - the original iPhone more or less came out 10 years ago. - Anyone born in the 1980s and earlier sbould remember what a rotery phone is. And how to use it. Oh, and don't forget how one had to send messages via payphone without actually paying (ex: "Say. Your. Name. After. The. Prompt" *beeeeep* "Heymomcomepickmeupon30thandgrand,loveyoubye!!" )
https://xkcd.com/1757/
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Teckos Pech
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
6555
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Posted - 2017.06.06 19:41:31 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:ShahFluffers wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
* It feels weird to say/type late 1900's
Hehe... Wanna feel really old? - the first Toy Story was made 22 years ago - Nickelodeon debuted its first original animated series in 1991 GÇô Doug, Rugrats, and The Ren & Stimpy Show GÇô under the Nicktoons banner. That was 26 years ago. - the original iPhone more or less came out 10 years ago. - Anyone born in the 1980s and earlier sbould remember what a rotery phone is. And how to use it. Oh, and don't forget how one had to send messages via payphone without actually paying (ex: "Say. Your. Name. After. The. Prompt" *beeeeep* "Heymomcomepickmeupon30thandgrand,loveyoubye!!" ) https://xkcd.com/1757/ Enjoy!
I am well into [Don't worry, they got this covered]
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Axure Abbacus
Pentex Subsidiaries Corp
49
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Posted - 2017.06.06 20:03:46 -
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"Quake with Fear!" we are old.
It's not safe out here. It's wondrous, with treasures to satiate desires both subtle and gross. But it's not for the timid.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
28409
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Posted - 2017.06.06 22:24:01 -
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Axure Abbacus wrote:"Quake with Fear!" we are old. I regret being too young to catch the moon landings, I was born a couple of years later.
In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.
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Sboycole
Generals Of Destruction Syndicate The Bastion
0
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Posted - 2017.06.16 15:48:37 -
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Make cargo expanders/rigs affect fleet hanger as well, boom problem solved, and by the way i'm surprised this hasn't happened yet, would fix issue without massive change/new ships |
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SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
3232
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Posted - 2017.06.16 15:51:52 -
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Sboycole wrote:Make cargo expanders/rigs affect fleet hanger as well, boom problem solved, and by the way i'm surprised this hasn't happened yet, would fix issue without massive change/new ships
Mmmmno. Not "problem solved". In fact, that just generates a whole host of brand new problems.
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Lienzo
Amanuensis
97
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Posted - 2017.06.17 02:19:30 -
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I'd like to see a destroyer sized industrial with destroyer level build requirements, stats and build costs. Blockade runners could be based on this model.
And then a BC sized industrial with BC level attributes and costs. DSTs could be based on this.
Specialized cargo bays might as well be a special sort of container that only fit in one of these particular classes of ships.
Capital transport class ships need to be better bait ships. A kind of cyno that lets a finite number of subcaps in fleet teleport to their location would be perfectly reasonable. Why can't they have capital tanks? That doesn't make them less worthwhile to escort. In fact, it creates more opportunity for conflict, not less.
The packaged ship volume of frigs could be smaller, 500m3 instead of 2500m3, but I guess CCP wants us to build them on site. |
Valdr Auduin
CatPack
27
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Posted - 2017.06.19 01:27:35 -
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An interesting topic, but I dunno, we already have a massive range of cargo options right now, I'd be more prone to suggest the freighters need something to set each other apart. |
Tiberius NoVegas
EVE University Ivy League
24
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Posted - 2017.06.19 10:50:55 -
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oops wrong button. |
Cindy the Sewer
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2017.06.20 18:50:35 -
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Stephanie Rosefire wrote:Sick of current transports not being big enough, and freighters being way too large and slow. Give us Large size (battleship size) transports, that can carry up to, idk, 100k m3? 150k? or whatever. Transporting ships is a pain, and when i wanna transport something like a BS or two and a handful of cruisers, transports arent large enough and freighters are waaay too large and slow. Give us something in the middle
Probably been discussed to death and back, but throwing in my frustrations :P Also large size mining ships would be cool. Would probably need heavy balancing or made super niche to not totally devalue exhumers.
Large transports would be both tanky and large capacity making them OP, so NO.
As to large mining vessels there are the Orca and the Rorqual depending on where you play the game.
If by larger mining vessel you mean ones with mining lasers, adding these would further devalue the already pathetic price of minerals and the only larger mining vessel that would add anything to the game would be a large mercoxit mining ship but this situation could be better handled by just removing the special-snowflake status of mercoxit and make it as easy to mine as any other ore but perhaps reduce its abundance to offset its increased ease of mining via Rorquals. |
Axure Abbacus
Pentex Subsidiaries Corp
63
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Posted - 2017.06.20 23:35:10 -
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I personally don't feel that there is a need. I do own a blockade runner, Deep space transport, Obelisk, Orca, and have nice bpc pictures of a Rorqual and jump freighter for the day I need more M3. There are choices.
On the off chance there was a need for a Heavy DST it should use a one tenth scale Titan module with the grid of a battle Cruiser. Make it from the Syndicate faction and give it the traits from the Lux Yacht. It should have a dedicated plex hold that adds a 50% bonus to drop.
50% bonus to warp speed and warp acceleration 100%reduction in Cloaking Devices CPU requirement GÇó Immune to Interdiction Sphere Launcher, Warp Disruption Field Generator and Mobile Small, Medium and Large Warp Disruptor GÇó Can fit Covert Ops Cloaking Device
It's not safe out here. It's wondrous, with treasures to satiate desires both subtle and gross. But it's not for the timid.
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Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
3963
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Posted - 2017.06.21 07:18:30 -
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With the orca at 140k and a bulk head freighter at just less than 400k, what gap are you talking about?
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Tiberius NoVegas
EVE University Ivy League
25
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Posted - 2017.06.21 08:55:08 -
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Daichi Yamato wrote:With the orca at 140k and a bulk head freighter at just less than 400k, what gap are you talking about?
The Orca's normal cargo capacity to haul anything not ore is only 30,000, this can be expanded up to around 134,000. This is at a cost tag of around 730,0000,000 isk are current market value.
I dunno any ship in EVE knowns as the bulk head freighter. did you mean the Bowhead? if so it has a cargo capacity of only 4k and a ship maintenance bay with a capacity of 1,600,000 expandable up to 2,000,000. while this will allow you to move ships around, it still wont let you move massive quantity of any other game items.
price tag per regular cargo hold, your wasting isk buying an Orca for hauling anything other then ore. would be better to just pay another 400,000,000 isk and buy any racial freighter. once again leaving a massive gap in industrial ships between Industrial's and freighters in both cargo capacity and isk price. |
Elyia Suze Nagala
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
125
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Posted - 2017.06.23 22:18:20 -
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I like diversity in the availability of ships: different sizes, races, fittings, etc, but I don't really think this void in the industry tree of life is as big a deal as you making it out to be. It also sounds like you're doing some pretty funky, specialized hauling.
All this being said I'd be fine with ORE large hauler. Maybe like a T2 vessel, an ORE Transport with a 200-300k of straight fleet hanger room.
Don't get me wrong though I'm don't think it's really needed, or a must have for the general populace. It's not really worth the time and development cost to CCP. |
SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
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Posted - 2017.06.23 22:56:35 -
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Tiberius NoVegas wrote:
I dunno any ship in EVE knowns as the bulk head freighter. did you mean the Bowhead? if so it has a cargo capacity of only 4k and a ship maintenance bay with a capacity of 1,600,000 expandable up to 2,000,000. while this will allow you to move ships around, it still wont let you move massive quantity of any other game items.
FFS, he meant a regular freighter fit with bulkheads.
There's no "gap". Ever GD range of cargo is reasonably covered by existing fits in varying configurations. The expectation that you should be able to dial-a-cargo at the pricetag of your choosing is moronic.
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Tiberius NoVegas
EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2017.06.23 23:05:08 -
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SurrenderMonkey wrote:Tiberius NoVegas wrote:
I dunno any ship in EVE knowns as the bulk head freighter. did you mean the Bowhead? if so it has a cargo capacity of only 4k and a ship maintenance bay with a capacity of 1,600,000 expandable up to 2,000,000. while this will allow you to move ships around, it still wont let you move massive quantity of any other game items.
FFS, he meant a regular freighter fit with bulkheads. There's no "gap". Ever GD range of cargo is reasonably covered by existing fits in varying configurations. The expectation that you should be able to dial-a-cargo at the pricetag of your choosing is moronic.
never said my price tag, simply a price tage between current industrial's and the freighter.
then build me a ship that has a cargo hold of at least 150,000 and another with a hold of 250,000 then ill let my argument to rest. they must have a non-specialized cargo hold of those sizes or it doesnt count, must be a non-freighter size ship. |
Elyia Suze Nagala
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
125
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Posted - 2017.06.24 01:31:23 -
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Again though, does there exist that big of a market and demand for something like this that CCP should make it happened. I don't think it does, not to the extent that it needs to be under consideration. |
Elyia Suze Nagala
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2017.06.24 01:48:02 -
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So if one was proposed, well my proposal is, an ORE Deep Space Transport. Considered a large sized vessel, not medium or capital, like the Orca. Limited fitting options, for example. 2H 5M 5L, no weapons available for the high slots. A smallish cargo hold of 10k, but fleet hanger max'ing out at 200k-300k with all skill points at max, etc. I feel like 300k is almost too large though, but there needs to be enough seperation between roles that's all I'm saying really. No on board jump drive ability, large hull restricts its ability to enter certain wormholes classes to prevent conflicts of interest in that reguard. Finally price has to fall in line in between empire DST's and and Orca. |
Tiberius NoVegas
EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2017.06.24 05:02:32 -
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Elyia Suze Nagala wrote:So if one was proposed, well my proposal is, an ORE Deep Space Transport. Considered a large sized vessel, not medium or capital, like the Orca. Limited fitting options, for example. 2H 5M 5L, no weapons available for the high slots. A smallish cargo hold of 10k, but fleet hanger max'ing out at 200k-300k with all skill points at max, etc. I feel like 300k is almost too large though, but there needs to be enough seperation between roles that's all I'm saying really. No on board jump drive ability, large hull restricts its ability to enter certain wormholes classes to prevent conflicts of interest in that reguard. Finally price has to fall in line in between empire DST's and and Orca.
this would be a good compromise. |
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