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Blade Darth
Room for Improvement Limited Expectations
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Posted - 2017.05.22 21:17:18 -
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I predict 3-4b if we don't get better npc AI/ reworked sites (capital rats in anoms or something) and current trend of "not enough destruction" continues.
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Teckos Pech
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
6492
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Posted - 2017.05.22 21:25:39 -
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Blade Darth wrote:I predict 3-4b if we don't get better npc AI/ reworked sites (capital rats in anoms or something) and current trend of "not enough destruction" continues.
I fail to see the logic here....
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Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
1202
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Posted - 2017.05.22 22:05:29 -
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Don Pera Saissore wrote:In my country i have to work about 6 hours to make 10 dollars. You are privileged but too stupid to realise it, you also have a misconception that in order to make isk one needs to grind.
To answer your question, yes i can earn for a plex in one hour, my record was 2.3bil in about 2 hours. Its not something that happenes every day, i was lucky that time.
"privileged". I moved 2,500 miles away from my family on my own to find a better job, and worked 90 hour weeks for years to put myself through school to prove I deserve a better job. If that makes me privileged, then fine.
I also didn't play video games when doing that. If you are in a position where you have to work 6 hours to make ten dollars, you shouldn't be playing video games. That was kind of my point. |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
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Posted - 2017.05.22 22:23:21 -
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Sonya Corvinus wrote:Don Pera Saissore wrote:In my country i have to work about 6 hours to make 10 dollars. You are privileged but too stupid to realise it, you also have a misconception that in order to make isk one needs to grind.
To answer your question, yes i can earn for a plex in one hour, my record was 2.3bil in about 2 hours. Its not something that happenes every day, i was lucky that time. "privileged". I moved 2,500 miles away from my family on my own to find a better job, and worked 90 hour weeks for years to put myself through school to prove I deserve a better job. If that makes me privileged, then fine. I also didn't play video games when doing that. If you are in a position where you have to work 6 hours to make ten dollars, you shouldn't be playing video games. That was kind of my point.
Probably next time he shouldn't be born in places like Serbia, Bulgaria, Bolivia or Brazil, where the minimal wage is about 1.50 USD per hour.
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Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
1202
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Posted - 2017.05.22 22:47:51 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Probably next time he shouldn't be born in places like Serbia, Bulgaria, Bolivia or Brazil, where the minimal wage is about 1.50 USD per hour. ...silly 'muricans...
Today I learned it's impossible for people to move.
Did you miss the part where I moved thousands of miles to have a shot at a good job? I moved thousands of miles with only what I could carry with me. One more time, if you can't afford $10.95/mo, stop playing video games and focus on your life.
But I forgot, I'm american, so there's no possibility I had a **** life for decades. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
11157
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Posted - 2017.05.23 00:35:20 -
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Sonya Corvinus wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Probably next time he shouldn't be born in places like Serbia, Bulgaria, Bolivia or Brazil, where the minimal wage is about 1.50 USD per hour. ...silly 'muricans... Today I learned it's impossible for people to move. Did you miss the part where I moved thousands of miles to have a shot at a good job? I moved thousands of miles with only what I could carry with me. One more time, if you can't afford $10.95/mo, stop playing video games and focus on your life. But I forgot, I'm american, so there's no possibility I had a **** life for decades. The problem with people who grow up with privilege and entitlement (Trust me. You are one of them), is that they just don't get it. When you come to realize that your decades of **** life is still a level of luxury that much of the worlds people can never attain, you'll be one step closer to being a decent person.
Insulting people because they are less well off than you through no fault but being born elsewhere is lame. The whole point of PLEX purchase with ISK is because CCP gets it. Even though you don't. This is why you see threads like this.
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Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners ChaosTheory.
15881
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Posted - 2017.05.23 02:05:53 -
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EVE is a western game with prices set in western currencies, if you can't afford it that's tough but no one owes you access to entertainment software.
Playing EVE if your minimum wage is $1.5 per hour would be like someone in my country playing EVE if it were $53 per month (for a yearly sub) then complaining about the price. |
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
33906
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Posted - 2017.05.23 10:13:19 -
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But, you can play EVE for free. =ƒÿ¢
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Rudolphus Indomitus
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
0
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Posted - 2017.05.23 11:51:35 -
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As a new Eve player I have concerns with Plex and skill injectors how can I know that when I buy skill injector or try to exchange Plex for Isk i don't buy from goldfarmers that are forced to slave labor in sweetshops |
Punisher Ofara
Amar Adventurers
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Posted - 2017.05.23 13:42:19 -
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I live in a "priviled country" and earn a respectable salary of a well-educated person in a permanent full-time job, but STILL I have to grind for PLEX in-game. The expenses of running a family are so high that I simply don't have fifteen bucks to spend on a computer game each month. But hey, I like the grind, I like spending my life watching space rocks melt through the MIGHTY POWER of my mining lasers!!! Or talk to those fine people that are NPC agents, or play the 0.01 ISK reaction-game with my fellow players. Or haul goods - no - numbers(!) in my virtual spaceships through gate after gate.
THAT, is what Eve for me is all about. Hard work.
Enjoy it, or CRY and enjoy it. Your choice. |
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Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
3355
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Posted - 2017.05.23 16:21:15 -
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Don Pera Saissore wrote: In my country i have to work about 6 hours to make 10 dollars. You are privileged but too stupid to realise it, you also have a misconception that in order to make isk one needs to grind.
To answer your question, yes i can earn for a plex in one hour, my record was 2.3bil in about 2 hours. Its not something that happenes every day, i was lucky that time.
EVE is a luxury product. If you can't afford it, then don't. It's as simple as that. |
Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
1206
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Posted - 2017.05.23 22:45:22 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:The problem with people who grow up with privilege and entitlement (Trust me. You are one of them), is that they just don't get it. When you come to realize that your decades of **** life is still a level of luxury that much of the worlds people can never attain, you'll be one step closer to being a decent person. Insulting people because they are less well off than you through no fault but being born elsewhere is lame. The whole point of PLEX purchase with ISK is because CCP gets it. Even though you don't. This is why you see threads like this.Game time with ISK is the only option for many, so they are concerned when the price jumps. Mr Epeen
Growing up under an abusive alcoholic father and having to work full time since I was 12 to be able to eat makes me privileged? F*ck off mate. Jesus, your arrogance.
That you talk about insulting people after what you just said is very ironic though....
One more time kitten, if you can't afford to pay a few dollars per month to play a video game, you shouldn't be paying games in the first place. |
Punisher Ofara
Amar Adventurers
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Posted - 2017.05.23 22:52:23 -
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You're talking about hardship!?!? Geez, I had to cook my own food since I was 19!! And I've had to work full time since graduating from college! You know nothing about a difficult life. Imagine having to tie your own shoe laces, since age 10! Try living my childhood and then come tell me that yours was hard. Did your father play lego with you? That's right, mine stopped playing with me when I turned 18, your dad is probably still building your lego cities for you.
EDIT: I think explains it perfectly how hard a childhood I had, which was surely much harder than any of you guys had. Even the ones born in caves in the Antarctic to penguin parents.
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Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
1206
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Posted - 2017.05.23 22:56:13 -
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Punisher Ofara wrote:You're talking about hardship!?!? Geez, I had to cook my own food since I was 19!! And I've had to work full time since graduating from college! You know nothing about a difficult life. Imagine having to tie your own shoe laces, since age 10! Try living my childhood and then come tell me that yours was hard. Did your father play lego with you? That's right, mine stopped playing with me when I turned 18, your dad is probably still building your lego cities for you. EDIT: I think explains it perfectly how hard a childhood I had, which was surely much harder than any of you guys had. Even the ones born in caves in the Antarctic to penguin parents. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xe1a1wHxTyo
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Pix Severus
Empty You
6489
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Posted - 2017.05.23 23:07:21 -
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If you have issues with your spawn location in EVE Offline, consider petitioning the dev, I hear he listens to all of them.
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Joan Maetsuycker
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2017.05.24 14:21:14 -
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The alpha account is for people that cannot afford or don't want a subscription. When you can afford a subscription I cannot see the wisdom in it why you would Plex your account. |
Lfod Shi
Lfod's Ratting and Salvage
391
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Posted - 2017.05.25 03:01:57 -
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If CCP wants to drive up plex prices in the hopes of more real $$ subs, then that's their call. Without real $$ the game ends for everyone.
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Kaeden 3142
State Protectorate Caldari State
11
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Posted - 2017.05.25 06:22:25 -
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I think for CCP this change has worked well for them. The devaluation of in- game ISK would disrupt RMT market model. |
Jeremiah Saken
The Fall of Leviathan
800
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Posted - 2017.05.25 06:28:34 -
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Everything you want to now about PLEX:
Fanfest 2014 - Economy: Into the Second Decade
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Bjorn Tyrson
EVE University Ivy League
648
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Posted - 2017.05.25 11:01:18 -
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Lfod Shi wrote:If CCP wants to drive up plex prices in the hopes of more real $$ subs, then that's their call. Without real $$ the game ends for everyone.
Learn how plex works please |
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Lfod Shi
Lfod's Ratting and Salvage
391
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Posted - 2017.05.25 11:51:02 -
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Bjorn Tyrson wrote:Lfod Shi wrote:If CCP wants to drive up plex prices in the hopes of more real $$ subs, then that's their call. Without real $$ the game ends for everyone. Learn how plex works please
I know how it works. I also know how business works.
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Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
3356
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Posted - 2017.05.25 12:32:35 -
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Lfod Shi wrote:Bjorn Tyrson wrote:Lfod Shi wrote:If CCP wants to drive up plex prices in the hopes of more real $$ subs, then that's their call. Without real $$ the game ends for everyone. Learn how plex works please I know how it works. I also know how business works.
An account subbed with PLEX bring in more money than an account subbed with direct subscription. |
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
34033
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Posted - 2017.05.25 12:39:32 -
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Its easier to spend PLEX now. Demand will grow even more.
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Salvos Rhoska
2940
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Posted - 2017.05.25 12:41:50 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:An account subbed with PLEX bring in more money than an account subbed with direct subscription.
I get what you mean to say, but the above is not correct.
An account subbed with PLEX brings in zero money.
Only purchase of PLEX from CCP brings in money, or subbing directly.
That PLEX is used to purchase various services ingame, in no case earns CCP even a cent.
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Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners ChaosTheory.
15907
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Posted - 2017.05.25 12:53:59 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:An account subbed with PLEX bring in more money than an account subbed with direct subscription. I get what you mean to say, but the above is not correct. An account subbed with PLEX brings in zero money. Only purchase of PLEX from CCP brings in money, or subbing directly. That PLEX is used to purchase various services ingame, in no case earns CCP even a cent.
Frostys is right. someone has to buy the PLEX in the 1st place, this means that an account subbed with plex represents more actual money to CCP than an account subbed any other way.
Also, the way CCPs accounting works, the income is not actually added to their books until the PLEX is consumed. So in a very real sense, as soon as someone clicks the button to activate the plex, CCP receives bacon (cash).
The reason people explain (and constantly have to re-explain) the fact that PLEX makes CCP more money than other forums of subscribing is because so many people demonstrate that they don't get it. They think that somehow them using PLEX is costing CCP money because they aren't personally giving CCP any money, when (again) PLEX use means MORE money for CCP.
All of the stupid "CCP is manipulating PLEX" conspiracy stuff comes from this basic misunderstanding. |
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
34034
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Posted - 2017.05.25 12:58:39 -
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There are two phases of life of the PLEX. First, its purchased from CCP and then it is removed from game in exchange for stuff.
These are things that make PLEX price grow:
More PLEX leaving economy results in more demand for it.
Less PLEX purchased results in more demand for it.
Creating PLEX fund for allocation of wealth results in more demand for it, as its removing PLEX for a time from the economy.
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Salvos Rhoska
2940
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Posted - 2017.05.25 13:17:23 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:An account subbed with PLEX bring in more money than an account subbed with direct subscription. I get what you mean to say, but the above is not correct. An account subbed with PLEX brings in zero money. Only purchase of PLEX from CCP brings in money, or subbing directly. That PLEX is used to purchase various services ingame, in no case earns CCP even a cent. Frostys is right. someone has to buy the PLEX in the 1st place, this means that an account subbed with plex represents more actual money to CCP than an account subbed any other way. Also, the way CCPs accounting works, the income is not actually added to their books until the PLEX is consumed. So in a very real sense, as soon as someone clicks the button to activate the plex, CCP receives bacon (cash). The reason people explain (and constantly have to re-explain) the fact that PLEX makes CCP more money than other forums of subscribing is because so many people demonstrate that they don't get it. They think that somehow them using PLEX is costing CCP money because they aren't personally giving CCP any money, when (again) PLEX use means MORE money for CCP. All of the stupid "CCP is manipulating PLEX" conspiracy stuff comes from this basic misunderstanding.
AURUM used to be the currency of the EVE store. Now, it is all PLEX.
Frostys was literally wrong.
An account subbed by PLEX earns CCP nothing. Only the purchase of that PLEX from CCP earns them. When someone expends 500 PLEX to purchase time, CCP earns nothing, except a tiny swing in the market to incentivize another PLEX purchase from them.
They dont earn from people using PLEX. They earn from people buying them from CCP.
The ingame value of PLEX subbing AND secondary EVE store purchases, now is entirely subservient to the value of PLEX ingame in isk.
PLEX stockpilers now hold CCP by the balls as to the incentive for players to purchase PLEX ingame, or without, as a factor of its ingame value.
In other words, CCPs PLEX/sub income, is now hinged on PLEX stockpilers actions ingame, more than ever before.
CCP now depends on the PLEX rich to determine the value/incentive of their own cash income.
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Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
3357
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Posted - 2017.05.25 13:34:45 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:An account subbed with PLEX bring in more money than an account subbed with direct subscription. I get what you mean to say, but the above is not correct. An account subbed with PLEX brings in zero money. Only purchase of PLEX from CCP brings in money, or subbing directly. That PLEX is used to purchase various services ingame, in no case earns CCP even a cent. Frostys is right. someone has to buy the PLEX in the 1st place, this means that an account subbed with plex represents more actual money to CCP than an account subbed any other way. Also, the way CCPs accounting works, the income is not actually added to their books until the PLEX is consumed. So in a very real sense, as soon as someone clicks the button to activate the plex, CCP receives bacon (cash). The reason people explain (and constantly have to re-explain) the fact that PLEX makes CCP more money than other forums of subscribing is because so many people demonstrate that they don't get it. They think that somehow them using PLEX is costing CCP money because they aren't personally giving CCP any money, when (again) PLEX use means MORE money for CCP. All of the stupid "CCP is manipulating PLEX" conspiracy stuff comes from this basic misunderstanding. AURUM used to be the currency of the EVE store. Now, it is all PLEX. Frostys was literally wrong. An account subbed by PLEX earns CCP nothing. Only the purchase of that PLEX from CCP earns them. When someone expends 500 PLEX to purchase time, CCP earns nothing, except a tiny swing in the market to incentivize another PLEX purchase from them. They dont earn from people using PLEX. They earn from people buying them from CCP.The ingame value of PLEX subbing AND secondary EVE store purchases, now is entirely subservient to the value of PLEX ingame in isk. PLEX stockpilers now hold CCP by the balls as to the incentive for players to purchase PLEX ingame, or without, as a factor of its ingame value.If they withhold, CCP incomes goes up. If they dump, CCPs income goes down.
In the books, the money is not written as earned as long as the PLEX has not been used on whatever service you want to use it, be it sub, character services or the store for some fancy glasses.
At the end of the day, PLEX is a currency. It's like transferring your euros to USD except in the case of PLEX, you can't transfer back to the previous currency and this particular currency happen to be of nil value outside of CCP's product offering.
CCP only "earn" your money when the PLEX are used. All hoarded PLEX are still pending usage for the associated money to become "income" by CCP. |
Salvos Rhoska
2941
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Posted - 2017.05.25 13:44:04 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:CCP only "earn" your money when the PLEX are used. All hoarded PLEX are still pending usage for the associated money to become "income" by CCP.
Yes.
Ergo: CCPs earnings are sitting in PLEX stockpilers pockets and dependant on their actions.
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Lfod Shi
Lfod's Ratting and Salvage
391
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Posted - 2017.05.25 13:50:45 -
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For clarification: When I said "real $$ sub" I assumed people would understand that buying plex with real $$ was included in that statement.
Silly me. I know better than to assume anything.
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