and what percentage of the player base do you suppose this actually is? we already know from ccp that only a minority of players actually plex their accounts vs regular sub. which is something that you also understand.

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However, some people keep more than one account going. If paid entirely in real world cash, that can add up fast. A lot of multiboxers use a mix of subs and PLEX to balance that out a bit, if they make enough money in game that they don't mind buying PLEX with some of it, that is.

multiboxers are also a minority of the eve population, but I would be more than willing to bet that they make up the majority of people who plex. which means that the people who ONLY use plex with zero accounts subbed, are a minority of a minority.
and even if "some" won't come back if plex prices drop again, thats now a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of the player base that you are debating for.

Sure, if plex prices get so astronomically high that my alt accounts stop making me a profit (hasn't happened yet, and there is some considerable room before that would happen, prices would need to double without the injector market moving at all to keep up before that would happen) then yeah, I might start trimming some of my accounts. and if the reduced demand and increased supply from people wanting to cash out on 3b plex pushes the prices back down to the point of making sense again, well then i'd re-plex them. and i'm sure that i'm hardly alone in that.

so the actual impact on sub numbers, both long term and short term, is going to be much MUCH less than you seem to be implying. out of all the things that could be making sub numbers go down, plex prices are hardly one of the bigger ones.

(as an aside, I find it interesting that the plex price scare seems to keep popping up every 2 years or so almost like clockwork... does this mean that the game is actually GASP getting new players who don't remember the last big price scare? almost like the majority of the player base isn't actually just a handful of bitter vets and their alts sitting on mountains of plex)

(as an aside, I find it interesting that the plex price scare seems to keep popping up every 2 years or so almost like clockwork... does this mean that the game is actually GASP getting new players who don't remember the last big price scare? almost like the majority of the player base isn't actually just a handful of bitter vets and their alts sitting on mountains of plex)

Every year, more and more PLEX is stockpiled.

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There is so much PLEX stockpiled ingame, especially by players whom otherwise are already multibillionaires or trillionaire entities, that PLEX will never drop.

They dont need the isk. They just sit on the PLEX and watch the price rise year after year.
They continue to withdraw PLEX from the market with expendable isk, year after year, to appreciate the value of their existing stockpiles.

Every year, more and more PLEX is stockpiled.

The PLEX market is owned by ingame entities, not CCP.

All CCP can hope for, is more subs.

You don't know that. It is just a supposition. Some players may brag about their stash but they may as well be trolling.
Old vets with 20-30 alts might sub 1-3 accounts but the rest of the alts swallow plex.

People say this every time, the PLEX market is at risk. I could link "omg plex prices" posts here all day from 2013 on up. And not just from this forum.


Very simply question then. WHY hasn't it happened yet? People claim that terrible things are going to happen because PLEX is too expensive. So when is the big fall going to happen?

Why didn't EVE just explode on November 19, 2014?



Any day now, PLEX prices are gonna kill EVE!!!!!!


Edit: I like how that post tried to make it sound like it wasn't that the poster was mad about plex prices for herself but rather the poster's concern for "broke college students and folks hurt by the economic downturn" lol.

It's great that we have now evolved to being concerned that some people now live in countries where the minimum wage is $1.50 U.S. per hour.... It's like history repeats itself over and over and over again.

PLEX isn't going to kill EvE online. It's like saying bad driving is going to kill an old person.

There can be no doubt that EvE is "fading." See link

If the concurrent user count is nearly the same as it was pre-F2P, and you have to assume that some of those users are now F2P users, then the number of paid accounts is at or below the F2P bump.

What the actual numbers are? Only the folks in the boardroom know. The big mystery is where is the point of no return? Similar to Dust, when is someone going to say the numbers no longer justify...development...maintenance...keeping the lights on?

But, much like your aging grandmother, players need to prepare themselves. Could be tomorrow...could be two years from now. But the trend is obvious. EvE has been in a slow population decline since 2013.

KB

This is just the EVE version of 'doomsday anxiety' (the evidence is the part I highlighted). It's silly, a company that just had it's most profitable year in it's history isn't going anywhere anytime soon, and even if it did up and die tomorrow, EVE is just a video game.


Seems like I've had this same conversation before lol.

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Seems like I've had this same conversation before lol.

PLEX isn't going to kill EvE online.

That's because nothing has changed since then.

B) There is so goddam much stockpiled PLEX ingame that players now own the PLEX market, and by extension, the incentive to sub.

10 years from now I'll be able to say the same thing, just like I was 10 years ago..

This isnt 10 years ago, or 10 years from now.

Dont be so naive as to think many things havent changed between then, now, and into the future.

Because something has worked in the past, is no insurance or surity it will continue into the future.
Otherwise we would all be citizens of the Roman Empire.

I guess we'll find out on the 31st of May 2027. See you then.

*me hibernates*

You can't hibernate!!!

There are rats that need killin' ...

You can't hibernate!!!

There are rats that need killin' ...

It's called afk rating.

I guess we'll find out on the 31st of May 2027. See you then.

There is no $10.95 option. There is a $131.40 option. If you want a months playtime for $10.95, it'll cost you a yearly sub.

But admitting that inconvenient truth sort of defeats the argument put forward.

Just ignore Sonya.

Mr Epeen

It is the same thing.

That's not even remotely true in the context of the discussion.

Mr Epeen

That's not even remotely true in the context of the discussion.

Mr Epeen

10 years from now I'll be able to say the same thing, just like I was 10 years ago.

That's the point lol. Rejoice, only 59 more days to the 14th annual EVE IS DYING day.

Your quoted link wasn't from 10 years ago. It was from 2 years ago. EvE was in decline 2 years ago.

Your second link was, as far as I can tell very near EvE's peak. That was akin to someone singing the praises of universal home ownership in 2007.

10 years ago? EvE was growing. 10 years from now? EvE will be an interesting Wikipedia entry.

You're welcome to say whatever you like whenever you like. Doesn't make it true.

It's just math.

Yes it is, you just don't want it to be. EVE costs an average of $10.95 at it's lowest subscription price (which you get if you pay yearly). $15 is its price if you pay monthly with cash and 19.99 monthly pay monthly with plex. The fact that you can't pay monthly for $10.95 doesn't make that amount not be the average cost (and lowest cost) of EVE Online.

All of which is moot. If you cannot afford $15 USD per month to play EVE (multiplied by however many accounts one wishes to use), that sucks but it's no emergency or some reason for CCP to intervene in the plex market like some want (whether they'd admit it or not), EVE is a video game made for entertainment purposes and no one owes anyone access to a video game.