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Xzanos
Fools Resurrection
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Posted - 2017.05.19 16:55:57 -
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I think that the 10% damage and HP bonus for drones on the Vexor needs to be reduced to 5%. The vexor would still easily be the king of cruisers while at least dropping its DPS into a more comparable place to the other cruisers. Currently this ship is very overpowered.
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JC Mieyli
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2017.05.19 22:21:11 -
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has the same dps as other cruisers |
Atomeon
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2017.05.20 00:33:17 -
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I really wanna hear why it should be nerfed :D Vexor is like this from the start of the game ^^ |
GsyBoy
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2017.05.20 15:33:42 -
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Vexor is best a what it does, it is not best cruiser. Everything does not have to be the same, cruisers should be able to beat bc's, bc's beat bf's, frigs beat destroyer, etc etc etc
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Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
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Posted - 2017.05.20 18:49:14 -
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Vexor has a fairly small drone bay, I'm not too worried about it. On the zkill top 10 cruisers there are a bunch above it and the caracal is on top with nearly double the kills.
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Rawls Canardly
Moosearmy Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2017.05.21 01:23:35 -
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Ok, I'll bite, why do you think the T1 Vexor needs a nerf? The cap is too small for prolonged mwding around the field, it's tank is far weaker than caracal or maller, it's far slower than the rupture... The thing is honestly mediocre in most regards, and even the DPS barely keeps up (if your drones haven't died yet). Why, pray tell, do you want the droneboat's drone bonus nerfed? |
Alexi Stokov
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2017.05.21 02:56:59 -
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Rawls Canardly wrote:Ok, I'll bite, why do you think the T1 Vexor needs a nerf? The cap is too small for prolonged mwding around the field, it's tank is far weaker than caracal or maller, it's far slower than the rupture... The thing is honestly mediocre in most regards, and even the DPS barely keeps up (if your drones haven't died yet). Why, pray tell, do you want the droneboat's drone bonus nerfed?
My money is that he recently lost to one. |
Rawls Canardly
Moosearmy Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2017.05.21 03:22:04 -
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Alexi Stokov wrote:Rawls Canardly wrote:Ok, I'll bite, why do you think the T1 Vexor needs a nerf? The cap is too small for prolonged mwding around the field, it's tank is far weaker than caracal or maller, it's far slower than the rupture... The thing is honestly mediocre in most regards, and even the DPS barely keeps up (if your drones haven't died yet). Why, pray tell, do you want the droneboat's drone bonus nerfed? My money is that he recently lost to one. unless it was on an alt, none of his recent losses were to vexors. |
Coralas
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2017.05.21 03:31:47 -
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It's slow, heavy drones are even slower, it can only do big numbers on targets that can't kite, you can kill it's drones and the drone bay isn't so large that you aren't forced to make choices. More or less heavies or meds.
It's clearly weaker than faction drone cruisers (gila, stratios, navy vexor) |
Rawls Canardly
Moosearmy Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2017.05.21 03:41:41 -
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Coralas wrote:It's slow, heavy drones are even slower, it can only do big numbers on targets that can't kite, you can kill it's drones and the drone bay isn't so large that you aren't forced to make choices. More or less heavies or meds.
It's clearly weaker than faction drone cruisers (gila, stratios, navy vexor) Yes, but those are faction cruisers. Working as intended. |
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Fourteen Maken
Karma and Causality
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Posted - 2017.05.22 00:43:24 -
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both the caracal and the vexor need to be nerfed, especially the navy vexor |
Piugattuk
Lima beans Corp
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Posted - 2017.05.22 04:50:42 -
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Actually I don't even like the vexor, never could get it to work good for me, and it sure doesn't have the Moa's punch with guns, drones are the main focus of this ship but I'd take a thorax over a vexor any day. |
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
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Posted - 2017.05.22 08:48:03 -
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The Vexor is a very powerful niche ship. It may be the best T1 cruiser but it's not overpowered.
It does more damage than any other cruiser against high signature radius targets - particularly T1 haulers, mining barges and battleships. But it's also mediocre against frigates and T3 destroyers who can speed tank it, and has plenty of other limitations.
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Atomeon
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2017.05.22 08:52:11 -
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If a Vexor is fitted for max dps any fast and agile ship can kill its ogres and every other drone and then can kill vexor slowly. |
W0lf Crendraven
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2017.05.22 14:32:02 -
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Agree, vexor and caracal are over the line atm. (caracal only because it can fit rlmls) |
Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners ChaosTheory.
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Posted - 2017.05.22 15:07:29 -
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Did someone get killed by a Vexor? |
Xzanos
Fools Resurrection
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Posted - 2017.05.22 20:40:02 -
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Sabriz Adoudel wrote:But it's also mediocre against frigates and T3 destroyers who can speed tank it, and has plenty of other limitations.
These are the same limitations almost all turret cruisers face though so its not really a limitation only the vexor has.
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Xzanos
Fools Resurrection
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Posted - 2017.05.22 21:03:36 -
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Rawls Canardly wrote:Ok, I'll bite, why do you think the T1 Vexor needs a nerf? The cap is too small for prolonged mwding around the field, it's tank is far weaker than caracal or maller, it's far slower than the rupture... The thing is honestly mediocre in most regards, and even the DPS barely keeps up (if your drones haven't died yet). Why, pray tell, do you want the droneboat's drone bonus nerfed?
I guess I just never get good matchups... With no damage mods and med drones the Vexor is capable of pushing 500 dps.. I will use the Rupture in this example which is only able to put out 340 dps.. this is already a huge gap.
This is easily compounded with damage mods or "sacrificing damage" to dedicate all lows slots for tank. The amount of damage that a shield fit Vexor outputs is so high that the Neut you could fit in a utility slot of the Rupture will not cap out your opponent nearly fast enough, and most armor Vexor fit cap boosters. The drone bay size also severely thwarts any attempt at fitting a smartbomb to counter drones.
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Nerlens Nerlens
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2017.05.22 21:25:33 -
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Xzanos wrote:[quote=Rawls Canardly]
I guess I just never get good matchups... With no damage mods and med drones the Vexor is capable of pushing 500 dps. I will use the Rupture in this example which is only able to put out 340 dps
To approach that amount of DPS without damage mods the vexor needs to fit blasters, which gimp the rest of the fit. You'll be slow and have like 12k EHP. Good luck getting in range. |
W0lf Crendraven
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
494
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Posted - 2017.05.22 22:38:58 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Did someone get killed by a Vexor?
Why do people always make it personal, the vexor is by far the best t1 cruiser. The only thing close to it is the caracal. It does everything, its extremely tanky with either absurd ehp via a buffer tank or dual or even triple rep. It does absurd dps for a cruiser (over 1k if fit for it), its fast, it can kite. It can do everything.
A t2 fit buffer vexor has 52k EHP while dealing 628dps cold. In a game where most cuisers have about 30k ehp and deal 500 dps or so. It doesnt even require skills, its the perfect noobship (t2 light neutron buffer fit), its also perfect for older players.
Its just way to good.
And no i havnt died to a vexor in ages, so it really isnt personal. |
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Atomeon
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2017.05.23 00:38:39 -
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W0lf Crendraven wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Did someone get killed by a Vexor? Why do people always make it personal, the vexor is by far the best t1 cruiser. The only thing close to it is the caracal. It does everything, its extremely tanky with either absurd ehp via a buffer tank or dual or even triple rep. It does absurd dps for a cruiser (over 1k if fit for it), its fast, it can kite. It can do everything. A t2 fit buffer vexor has 52k EHP while dealing 628dps cold. In a game where most cuisers have about 30k ehp and deal 500 dps or so. It doesnt even require skills, its the perfect noobship (t2 light neutron buffer fit), its also perfect for older players. Its just way to good. And no i havnt died to a vexor in ages, so it really isnt personal. It needs to train to 2 weapons at max to be that good. T2 Blasters and T2 heavys, T2 medium and T2 light drones.With that many skillpoints you fly a Marauder :P |
Xzanos
Fools Resurrection
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Posted - 2017.05.23 01:06:54 -
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Nerlens Nerlens wrote:Xzanos wrote:[quote=Rawls Canardly]
I guess I just never get good matchups... With no damage mods and med drones the Vexor is capable of pushing 500 dps. I will use the Rupture in this example which is only able to put out 340 dps
To approach that amount of DPS without damage mods the vexor needs to fit blasters, which gimp the rest of the fit.
Even with blasters fit the damage output at range is higher all the way to max falloff.. plus the drones damage distance from your target does not matter.
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W0lf Crendraven
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
495
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Posted - 2017.05.23 13:59:19 -
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Atomeon wrote:W0lf Crendraven wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Did someone get killed by a Vexor? Why do people always make it personal, the vexor is by far the best t1 cruiser. The only thing close to it is the caracal. It does everything, its extremely tanky with either absurd ehp via a buffer tank or dual or even triple rep. It does absurd dps for a cruiser (over 1k if fit for it), its fast, it can kite. It can do everything. A t2 fit buffer vexor has 52k EHP while dealing 628dps cold. In a game where most cuisers have about 30k ehp and deal 500 dps or so. It doesnt even require skills, its the perfect noobship (t2 light neutron buffer fit), its also perfect for older players. Its just way to good. And no i havnt died to a vexor in ages, so it really isnt personal. It needs to train to 2 weapons at max to be that good. T2 Blasters and T2 heavys, T2 medium and T2 light drones.With that many skillpoints you fly a Marauder :P
How is that important? The fact is that the vexor massively outclasses all other t1 cruisers. Its should get nerfed. |
Kalihira
Ultramar Independent Contracting
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Posted - 2017.05.24 08:10:50 -
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W0lf Crendraven wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Did someone get killed by a Vexor? Why do people always make it personal, the vexor is by far the best t1 cruiser. The only thing close to it is the caracal. It does everything, its extremely tanky with either absurd ehp via a buffer tank or dual or even triple rep. It does absurd dps for a cruiser (over 1k if fit for it), its fast, it can kite. It can do everything. A t2 fit buffer vexor has 52k EHP while dealing 628dps cold. In a game where most cuisers have about 30k ehp and deal 500 dps or so. It doesnt even require skills, its the perfect noobship (t2 light neutron buffer fit), its also perfect for older players. Its just way to good. And no i havnt died to a vexor in ages, so it really isnt personal.
So your argument against the vexor is its versatility? It cant do all those things at once, do one thing and you cant do another. Its a fun ship, but nowhere near as powerfull as you make it to be. Fly it around and its limitations will become clear soon enough... |
W0lf Crendraven
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2017.05.24 14:49:14 -
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Kalihira wrote:W0lf Crendraven wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Did someone get killed by a Vexor? Why do people always make it personal, the vexor is by far the best t1 cruiser. The only thing close to it is the caracal. It does everything, its extremely tanky with either absurd ehp via a buffer tank or dual or even triple rep. It does absurd dps for a cruiser (over 1k if fit for it), its fast, it can kite. It can do everything. A t2 fit buffer vexor has 52k EHP while dealing 628dps cold. In a game where most cuisers have about 30k ehp and deal 500 dps or so. It doesnt even require skills, its the perfect noobship (t2 light neutron buffer fit), its also perfect for older players. Its just way to good. And no i havnt died to a vexor in ages, so it really isnt personal. So your argument against the vexor is its versatility? It cant do all those things at once, do one thing and you cant do another. Its a fun ship, but nowhere near as powerfull as you make it to be. Fly it around and its limitations will become clear soon enough...
NO, it does all those things at once. Its fast, tanky (via buffer or ehp), it does dps at range, it does dps up close, it also does a lot of dps even without damage mods. Its the best t1 cruiser by far. I know its limitations perfectly well, even without flying it. |
Ping PangWang
Ironstar Industries and Research Axiom Vocation Alliance
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Posted - 2017.05.24 16:49:42 -
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link a fit that does all that at once...................... |
Xzanos
Fools Resurrection
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Posted - 2017.05.24 20:20:18 -
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Kalihira wrote:W0lf Crendraven wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Did someone get killed by a Vexor? Why do people always make it personal, the vexor is by far the best t1 cruiser. The only thing close to it is the caracal. It does everything, its extremely tanky with either absurd ehp via a buffer tank or dual or even triple rep. It does absurd dps for a cruiser (over 1k if fit for it), its fast, it can kite. It can do everything. A t2 fit buffer vexor has 52k EHP while dealing 628dps cold. In a game where most cuisers have about 30k ehp and deal 500 dps or so. It doesnt even require skills, its the perfect noobship (t2 light neutron buffer fit), its also perfect for older players. Its just way to good. And no i havnt died to a vexor in ages, so it really isnt personal. So your argument against the vexor is its versatility? It cant do all those things at once, do one thing and you cant do another. Its a fun ship, but nowhere near as powerfull as you make it to be. Fly it around and its limitations will become clear soon enough...
Flying other ships will show even greater weaknesses.
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Xzanos
Fools Resurrection
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Posted - 2017.05.24 20:45:08 -
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Ping PangWang wrote:link a fit that does all that at once......................
No ship can do everything at once, you are correct. But this ship does not have to sacrifice as much to increase its damage and can make up for its other stats.
Drone boats in general have the extreme advantage of not having to stay near their target to apply a majority of their damage and there for being able to fight at multiple ranges with a single fit is also very possible. The tracking on rails is extremely good as well so kite fits are not as vulnerable of smaller ships (or even other cruisers for that matter) getting under its guns.
These two fits one semi kite / buffer and the other an active armor, cant do everything but they sure can do more than most.
[Vexor, Vexor fity]
Damage Control II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II
Warp Disruptor II Stasis Webifier II Large Shield Extender II 50MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
200mm Railgun II, Federation Navy Antimatter Charge M 200mm Railgun II, Federation Navy Antimatter Charge M 200mm Railgun II, Federation Navy Antimatter Charge M 200mm Railgun II, Federation Navy Antimatter Charge M
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I
Hammerhead II x5
[Vexor, dps]
Medium Ancillary Armor Repairer, Nanite Repair Paste Medium Armor Repairer II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Small Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 400 J5b Enduring Warp Scrambler Stasis Webifier II 50MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Federation Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Federation Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Federation Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Federation Navy Antimatter Charge M
Medium Nanobot Accelerator I Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Hammerhead II x5
And as a drone boat, I will retract my statement to say that perhaps its the damage bonus to the guns that should be changed, To keep this ship in its drone boat role.
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Atomeon
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2017.05.24 20:45:33 -
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Ping PangWang wrote:link a fit that does all that at once...................... Yes please, post a fit. |
W0lf Crendraven
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
498
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Posted - 2017.05.24 22:49:31 -
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Do you guys not know what the world "Or" stands for? If i write it can be tanky with dual OR triple rep OR buffer tank thats mean one of each. Not a buffer fit vexor with triple rep thats also dual rep.
But the vexor is a fast hull, drones project to 50+km by nature, the dps is already good with 0 damage mods. |
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