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Chiller	Posted - 2004.06.26 10:48:00 - [31] Just trained lvl 5 connections (finally), and then did a mission or two, then I refused a mission, and I now have to do another 12 hours of training to get back to connections lvl 5. is this right?
GM Abraxas	Posted - 2004.06.26 15:19:00 - [32] Edited by: GM Abraxas on 26/06/2004 15:21:27 Quote: I refused a mission, and I now have to do another 12 hours of training to get back to connections lvl 5 Agent missions have absolutely no effect on your skills. You can complete, refuse or fail missions all you like, and your skills won't be touched. What happened to you sounds like one of two bugs: Connections isn't working, so you're not seeing the standing boost. See the first message in this thread, written by some underappreciated genius, for an explanation. Your skill training got bugged. See the article "Skill training failed" for more details. It you spent a considerable amount of time on retraining it to level 5, send in either an 'other' petition or an 'ask a question' help request and we'll check it out for you.
Sinist	Posted - 2004.07.05 07:49:00 - [33] Edited by: Sinist on 05/07/2004 07:50:54 I wentdirectly to this last page to read this thread. I read Abraxes post about some genius guy figuring out what was wrong with the social skills. Click on first page... Can you say dissapointment it was just abraxes.,... hehe jk Im not trianing social skills for another few weeks so maybe it will be sorted by then. I still am gaining standings bc I never had any social skills to begin with.
Sinist	Posted - 2004.07.05 07:49:00 - [34] Edited by: Sinist on 05/07/2004 07:50:54 I wentdirectly to this last page to read this thread. I read Abraxes post about some genius guy figuring out what was wrong with the social skills. Click on first page... Can you say dissapointment it was just abraxes.,... hehe jk Im not trianing social skills for another few weeks so maybe it will be sorted by then. I still am gaining standings bc I never had any social skills to begin with.
Andrew Kofoed	Posted - 2004.07.07 11:48:00 - [35] Are the skills; Trade, Bartering, Black Market Trading and Broker Relations, available yet, and if so will they be associated with agents or with market only. Im maxing out on all the social skills and want something new to train to help me with my agents. Looking forward to lvl4 agents
Andrew Kofoed	Posted - 2004.07.07 11:48:00 - [36] Are the skills; Trade, Bartering, Black Market Trading and Broker Relations, available yet, and if so will they be associated with agents or with market only. Im maxing out on all the social skills and want something new to train to help me with my agents. Looking forward to lvl4 agents
Dobberman	Posted - 2004.07.25 23:36:00 - [37] this explains it all...thnx...
Dobberman	Posted - 2004.07.25 23:36:00 - [38] this explains it all...thnx...
GlimmerMan	Posted - 2004.07.31 12:11:00 - [39] Originally by: GM Abraxas You also have to have a certain minimum standing with his corporation. That minimum is [(agent level-2)2.0] + [(agent quality5.0)/100.0] Is that correct? You're saying you need [(3-2)2] + [(05)/100] = 2.0 to use a level 3, 0 quality agent, last I checked you needed 4.0. Likewise [(2-2)2] + [(05)/100] = 0.0 to use a level 2, 0 quality agent, again I thought this was 2.0. I needed 4.95 to use my current level 3, 19 quality agent, by that forumla I'd have needed 2.95. Long and short, I think you mean: [(agent level-1)2.0] + [(agent quality5.0)/100.0] ? __________________ - GlimmerMan
GlimmerMan	Posted - 2004.07.31 12:11:00 - [40] Originally by: GM Abraxas You also have to have a certain minimum standing with his corporation. That minimum is [(agent level-2)2.0] + [(agent quality5.0)/100.0] Is that correct? You're saying you need [(3-2)2] + [(05)/100] = 2.0 to use a level 3, 0 quality agent, last I checked you needed 4.0. Likewise [(2-2)2] + [(05)/100] = 0.0 to use a level 2, 0 quality agent, again I thought this was 2.0. I needed 4.95 to use my current level 3, 19 quality agent, by that forumla I'd have needed 2.95. Long and short, I think you mean: [(agent level-1)2.0] + [(agent quality5.0)/100.0] ? __________________ - GlimmerMan

GM Abraxas	Posted - 2004.08.01 14:03:00 - [41] Edited by: GM Abraxas on 01/08/2004 14:05:21 Originally by: GlimmerMan Long and short, I think you mean: [(agent level-1)2.0] + [(agent quality5.0)/100.0] Nope, I don't. It's [(agent level-2)2.0] + [(agent quality5.0)/100.0] Keep in mind that in the part you're quoting, I'm only talking about R&D agents. The standing requirement I mentioned is in addition to the usual "-1" part and has to be fulfilled by your standings with his corporation - not by your faction standings. Normal agents, on the other hand, just have the "-1" requirement.
GM Abraxas	Posted - 2004.08.01 14:03:00 - [42] Edited by: GM Abraxas on 01/08/2004 14:05:21 Originally by: GlimmerMan Long and short, I think you mean: [(agent level-1)2.0] + [(agent quality5.0)/100.0] Nope, I don't. It's [(agent level-2)2.0] + [(agent quality5.0)/100.0] Keep in mind that in the part you're quoting, I'm only talking about R&D agents. The standing requirement I mentioned is in addition to the usual "-1" part and has to be fulfilled by your standings with his corporation - not by your faction standings. Normal agents, on the other hand, just have the "-1" requirement.
Richard D	Posted - 2004.08.22 18:29:00 - [43] hm is it fixed now ? CEO
Richard D	Posted - 2004.08.22 18:29:00 - [44] hm is it fixed now ? CEO
GM Abraxas	Posted - 2004.10.10 12:40:00 - [45] Originally by: Richard D hm is it fixed now ? Connections? Yeah, it's fixed. I'd just forgotten to edit out the "got broken" line.
GM Abraxas	Posted - 2004.10.10 12:40:00 - [46] Originally by: Richard D hm is it fixed now ? Connections? Yeah, it's fixed. I'd just forgotten to edit out the "got broken" line.
Core Bash	Posted - 2004.11.15 06:03:00 - [47] Edited by: Core Bash on 15/11/2004 06:05:54 Can someone please verify what the Effective Quality of an agent actually is? I'm not sure if it means you get better missions (ie: less jumps, bigger combat spawns, etc), does it mean you get better rewards/bonuses, or does it mean your standing with the corporation goes up faster when doing missions for an agent with a high Effective Quality. á
Core Bash	Posted - 2004.11.15 06:03:00 - [48] Edited by: Core Bash on 15/11/2004 06:05:54 Can someone please verify what the Effective Quality of an agent actually is? I'm not sure if it means you get better missions (ie: less jumps, bigger combat spawns, etc), does it mean you get better rewards/bonuses, or does it mean your standing with the corporation goes up faster when doing missions for an agent with a high Effective Quality. á
MrPrice77	Posted - 2005.01.24 06:53:00 - [49] I know this is a little off topic... but is this the same Abraxas as Americas Army?
Kitrini	Posted - 2005.01.25 13:11:00 - [50] I've only just restarted playing Eve after 12mths absence. Finally a use for my character with a basic (Pre Skill, implants etc) Charisma of 14. Man i wish i'd found this post earlier. Don't want to waste anyone's time here but can anyone advise which order to train the skills discussed above. To get the maximum benefit of this character i'v been agenting with for so long. I only have trade at 1 atm. However from when character was previously active have 3 or 4 Lvl 3 agent's with high quality that i can't use. Cheers Kitrini

GM Abraxas	Posted - 2005.01.26 01:02:00 - [51] I really need to give the original post an overhaul, but that'll have to wait. Quote: Can someone please verify what the Effective Quality of an agent actually is? It's your first guess: Better missions, with fewer jumps and better rewards. I can't say whether it increases the standing boosts you get for the missions, though; I'm pretty sure Social alone is supposed to do that (Can't get to EVE right now to check it out ...). Quote: is this the same Abraxas as Americas Army? Nope. When I first got asked this I didn't even know of the game, so my response to the question "Are you in America's Army?" was basically "... are you kidding? I live in Iceland, you know." Quote: can anyone advise which order to train the skills discussed above Train Connections first, level 4 at least, 5 for preference. That'll net you access to better agents right away. Once you've gotten settled in with an agent you like, train Negotiations to improve their quality (and hence the quality of the missions they'll be giving you), then Social to improve your standing increases.
Braaage	Posted - 2005.01.26 01:42:00 - [52] Edited by: Braaage on 26/01/2005 01:42:42 Quote: Can someone please verify what the Effective Quality of an agent actually is? It's your first guess: Better missions, with fewer jumps and better rewards. I can't say whether it increases the standing boosts you get for the missions, though; I'm pretty sure Social alone is supposed to do that (Can't get to EVE right now to check it out ...). Heh then why did u put in your player manual exactly the opposite? It said quality only affected standing rewards not isk or missions. ___________________________________________ http://www.eve-tutor.com Picture based tutorial site for EVE-Online
Hoova	Posted - 2005.01.26 08:53:00 - [53] Just out of curiosity, where does Criminal Connections fit into all this? Will training Criminal Connections affect relationships with non-criminal corps/factions? Working for pirate factions, what happens to your sec status? Your relationship with non-pirate corps? Do the other skills help?
Nirat	Posted - 2005.02.14 04:18:00 - [54] Originally by: GM Abraxas Connections has an effect on your agent's Effective Quality, but not nearly as much as Negotiations does. Train the latter if you want to improve the agents you currently have. (Edit) The formula is like this: *Effective Quality = Base Quality + (5Level of Negotiation) + Effective Standing**. The effects of Connections on your Effective Standing is noted above. [/list] Please explain why the description of negotiation mentions nothing of this. " Skill at agent negotiation. 5% additional pay for agent missions. " Says nothing of effecting the effective quality. -Nirat
The Silent1	Posted - 2005.02.24 09:43:00 - [55] Edited by: The Silent1 on 24/02/2005 09:43:06 But what is the difference between social skill and connections then?
Polaris Lumine	Posted - 2005.02.28 12:28:00 - [56] Social affects the standing reward you are given for each mission (as a percentage. So if you have this to level 3 and the standing gain for a mission is 2.0% then you would receive 2.0 + 15% = 2.3 Connections modifies your effective standing to an agent. So if you have a standing of 2.0 and Connections to level 3 (12%) you would effectively have a standing (2.0 + (8-12%)) = 2.96 10 being the maximum standing - 2.0 being your standing = 8 (which is what the 12% is applied to). I think that's correct anyway. -- Polaris Lumine


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