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GM Abraxas
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Posted - 2004.01.05 17:22:00 -
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Edited by: GM Abraxas on 10/10/2004 12:40:52
If you're having problems with the "Connections" skill, you may find the following of interest. I'm open to corrections on any of this, and will try to update the thread if anything changes.
- If you haven't done any work for the entity, Connections doesn't kick in. Thus, if you have a pure 0.0 standing with something, it remains 0.0. Any change, no matter how small, should change this. So if you want Connections to kick in for corporation X, do one mission for a lvl 1 agent in that corp.
- While Connections gives a boost to all NPC standings, remember that you can not get a Research agent through his personal standing alone. You also have to have a certain minimum standing with his corporation. That minimum is [(agent level-2)*2.0] + [(agent quality*5.0)/100.0].
- Connections does not affect negative standings; Diplomacy does. Connections does not affect your security standing; Fast Talk does.
- Connections does not give you a 0.4 boost. Nor does it give you a pure 4% boost. It gives you a 4% increase of the difference between your standing and the maximum possible (10.0). Thus, if you have 1.0, you will get a (10.0-1.0)*0.04 = 0.36 boost for one level of Connections. If you have 5.0, you will get a (10.0-5.0)*0.04 = 0.2 boost. The higher you go in standings, the less Connections will help. See PapaSmurf's comments for more information.
- For each level of Connections, you get an additional 4% boost of the base amount. For the above example where you have 5.0 in base standing, level 1 of connections gives you (10.0-5.0)*(1*0.04) = 0.2. Level 2 gives you (10.0-5.0)*(2*0.04) = 0.4. Level 3 gives you (10.0-5.0)*(3*0.04) = 0.6.
- Connections has an effect on your agent's Effective Quality, but not nearly as much as Negotiations does. Train the latter if you want to improve the agents you currently have.
(Edit) The formula is like this: Effective Quality = Base Quality + (5*Level of Negotiation) + Effective Standing. The effects of Connections on your Effective Standing is noted above.
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2004.01.05 17:41:00 -
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*mutter* Suuuuuure...tell me now after training Connections 4 and passing over Negotiations when the corp I'm working for can barely love me any more. 
Thanks for the explanation, Abraxas. Can you crosslink this somehow in the Missions subforum?
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
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GM Abraxas
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Posted - 2004.01.10 16:39:00 -
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Edited by: GM Abraxas on 10/01/2004 16:47:48
Given how much my 8.0 standing agent currently loves me, I'm not sure I want to go to 9.9 with him. He'd probably be lying naked on his desk with a rose between his teeth.
I'd rather not crosspost this in the Missions forum, but if anyone there decides to write some kind of overview thread that relates to the Social skills, they're more than welcome to link to, reference or quote this thread.
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Lola
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Posted - 2004.01.10 17:16:00 -
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Good info.
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2004.01.13 06:14:00 -
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I'd rather not crosspost this in the Missions forum, but if anyone there decides to write some kind of overview thread that relates to the Social skills...
...already done that myself at least three times, and space alone knows how many other people have done the same... but none of 'em got stickied.
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pHASE 11
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Posted - 2004.01.15 08:23:00 -
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How do the negotiation skill increase your standing?
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Starfire
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Posted - 2004.01.15 08:30:00 -
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Negotiation doesn't increase standing but the EQ of your agents
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Jerrico Delen
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Posted - 2004.01.15 09:37:00 -
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Ah, thank you.
It makes a lot more sense now.
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pHASE 11
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Posted - 2004.01.15 10:57:00 -
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but how much does the negotiation skill help the effective quality?
Abraxas: Can you post the formula here, like you did with the Connections skill?
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Athule Snanm
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Posted - 2004.01.15 12:18:00 -
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It's a straight +5 per level I think.
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GM Abraxas
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Posted - 2004.01.15 17:39:00 -
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Added the EQ formula to the original.
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Galban Hunter
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Posted - 2004.02.03 08:29:00 -
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Would help if they didn't change the UI on standings in the character info window so its not there anymore.
Workaround: Look at your agents info, standings then relationship, that will show your Connections effects (god knows why it was left in that place when it was taken away from probably the more useful character info window!)
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Galban Hunter
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Posted - 2004.02.05 10:06:00 -
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Oh yeah, an addition, why isn't Connections taken into account when using a recycling/reprocessing plant? It would seem to be the same with agents, bribing or talking to the reprocessing guys etc.
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Etoile Chercheur
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Posted - 2004.02.07 18:37:00 -
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Quote:
Oh yeah, an addition, why isn't Connections taken into account when using a recycling/reprocessing plant? It would seem to be the same with agents, bribing or talking to the reprocessing guys etc.
i'm wondering that exact same thing. you'd think it would...
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Trevedian
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Posted - 2004.02.19 00:28:00 -
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Edited by: GM Abraxas on 10/01/2004 16:47:48
Given how much my 8.0 standing agent currently loves me, I'm not sure I want to go to 9.9 with him. He'd probably be lying naked on his desk with a rose between his teeth.
My agent is a babe, I'll be slaving away at missions if this is even a possibility... She has some freaky hair, but my unscrupulous character will do whatever he is asked if it helps raise his standing  And here I was beginning to think missions were boring and tedious... Great suggestion GM Abrakas, now implement it!
Sex0r > you're bounty turns me on.. you seem like the kind of amarrian to dominate me
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Harisdrop
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Posted - 2004.02.23 16:49:00 -
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Edited by: Harisdrop on 13/05/2004 12:34:15
Any news on Criminal Connections, Diplomacy, or Media social skills.
Edited 05/12/04
Diplomacy is still no useful or Media. We have Criminal connections and Fast Talk.
The GM should change his info. Criminal Connections is the skill that allows you to work for negative standing npc corps.
Connections does work before you do a single mission. So you could start a corp you have never worked before. There are many ways to do this with associated corps and such.
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Dirus
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Posted - 2004.03.03 15:25:00 -
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Quick question:
Why was Criminal Connections converted to plain Connections a while back? (like 6 months ago, hehe)
Had an alt that was doing agent missions, for the sole purpose of getting a high pirate rating. Then it got converted one patch, and kinda made the character pointless.
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Nolan Void
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Posted - 2004.03.07 17:48:00 -
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Connections and Criminal Connections are two separate skills. I have both.
Or did you mean you had Criminal Connections on your sheet, and it got converted into Connections?
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Dirus
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Posted - 2004.03.10 19:06:00 -
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Had criminal connections, then one patch it got converted to plain connections. Took me a few days to realize it.
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Furtea Smilate
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Posted - 2004.03.23 15:54:00 -
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Always good to have connections and train full skills in this
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Veko
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Posted - 2004.04.01 23:32:00 -
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that explains a lot for a noob like myself 
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Mc Willger
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Posted - 2004.04.05 07:30:00 -
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Hi,
iŠam new in EVE-Space and iam looking for the diplomacy skill for some days. I didnŠt found it in all sytsems i visit last days. Does the skill exists? Anyone an idea where to get it?
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CodeFreeze
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Posted - 2004.05.05 10:18:00 -
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Originally by: GM Abraxas
Given how much my 8.0 standing agent currently loves me, I'm not sure I want to go to 9.9 with him. He'd probably be lying naked on his desk with a rose between his teeth.
LOL Very Good.
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nexie
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Posted - 2004.05.12 00:04:00 -
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Edited by: nexie on 12/05/2004 00:05:21
Originally by: Etoile Chercheur
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Remove "Pilots In Space" and other map-settings as well as Local Channel from 0.0 Space
Etoile Chercheur for president!!!
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Imhotep Wade
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Posted - 2004.05.20 17:55:00 -
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I started working for a new corp over last 2 days and got some annoying things.
1. agents will show as available to you, but that does not mean they actually are.
a. you must still have the proper skills for agents like R&D agents.
b. if you have not done any misions for that corp, your connections will not kick in. so while agent seems to be available, he wont be. fine a lowly lvl1 -99 quality agent and run 1 mission.
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Deridium
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Posted - 2004.06.03 03:28:00 -
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I was wondering the same thing McWill. I cant seem to find any regions that have the Diplomacy skill. Anyone know of a place it would be appreciated
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Crook
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Posted - 2004.06.18 16:31:00 -
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Edited by: Crook on 18/06/2004 17:16:03
Well - with the new patch this week the indication from my agents is: "Connections Skill is now worthless".
Prior to this new patch, Connections was always displayed as explained in the first GM post here. However, since this patch, my agents ratings for me now display "NOTHING" at all about my Connections level increasing the rating. As a matter of fact, now they all refer to the "DIPLOMACY" skill level affecting my rating.
This is all fine and dandy but, I must tell you: it makes me not feel too good about the 40+ days spent training up the Connections skill only to see it now means absolutely nothing as far as my agents are concerned.
I'm thinking: should I train up the Diplomacy skill? Or will another patch simply make that, also, a waste of skill training time.
This is quite depressing. Sorry!
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Borunel
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Posted - 2004.06.19 01:07:00 -
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It looks like the social skills have got their knickers in a twist after the last patch.
Previously connections affected positively all my relationships with corps and factions and agents.
Now it just affects postively my standing with Concord - and is displayed as such directly on my 'liked by' standings menu where none of the rest are...
If Diplomacy is affecting something it shouldn't be then perhaps the skills are just mixed up and are in need of realigning?
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GM Abraxas
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Posted - 2004.06.19 19:05:00 -
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See my edit to the original post. Yes, Connections is broken, and yes, it'll get fixed. Don't worry about it.
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Crook
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Posted - 2004.06.21 10:34:00 -
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Thank you very very much. I'm feeling relieved.
What a good GM you are. If you ever need anything just cal....ooops. Fergot. You already "HAVE" everything.
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Chiller
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Posted - 2004.06.26 10:48:00 -
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Just trained lvl 5 connections (finally), and then did a mission or two, then I refused a mission, and I now have to do another 12 hours of training to get back to connections lvl 5. is this right?
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GM Abraxas
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Posted - 2004.06.26 15:19:00 -
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Edited by: GM Abraxas on 26/06/2004 15:21:27
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I refused a mission, and I now have to do another 12 hours of training to get back to connections lvl 5
Agent missions have absolutely no effect on your skills. You can complete, refuse or fail missions all you like, and your skills won't be touched. What happened to you sounds like one of two bugs:
- Connections isn't working, so you're not seeing the standing boost. See the first message in this thread, written by some underappreciated genius, for an explanation.
- Your skill training got bugged. See the article "Skill training failed" for more details. It you spent a considerable amount of time on retraining it to level 5, send in either an 'other' petition or an 'ask a question' help request and we'll check it out for you.
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Sinist
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Posted - 2004.07.05 07:49:00 -
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Edited by: Sinist on 05/07/2004 07:50:54
I wentdirectly to this last page to read this thread. I read Abraxes post about some genius guy figuring out what was wrong with the social skills.
Click on first page...
Can you say dissapointment it was just abraxes.,... hehe jk
Im not trianing social skills for another few weeks so maybe it will be sorted by then. I still am gaining standings bc I never had any social skills to begin with.
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Sinist
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Posted - 2004.07.05 07:49:00 -
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Edited by: Sinist on 05/07/2004 07:50:54
I wentdirectly to this last page to read this thread. I read Abraxes post about some genius guy figuring out what was wrong with the social skills.
Click on first page...
Can you say dissapointment it was just abraxes.,... hehe jk
Im not trianing social skills for another few weeks so maybe it will be sorted by then. I still am gaining standings bc I never had any social skills to begin with.
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Andrew Kofoed
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Posted - 2004.07.07 11:48:00 -
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 Are the skills; Trade, Bartering, Black Market Trading and Broker Relations, available yet, and if so will they be associated with agents or with market only. Im maxing out on all the social skills and want something new to train to help me with my agents.
Looking forward to lvl4 agents 
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Andrew Kofoed
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Posted - 2004.07.07 11:48:00 -
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Are the skills; Trade, Bartering, Black Market Trading and Broker Relations, available yet, and if so will they be associated with agents or with market only. Im maxing out on all the social skills and want something new to train to help me with my agents.
Looking forward to lvl4 agents
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Dobberman
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Posted - 2004.07.25 23:36:00 -
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this explains it all...thnx...
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Dobberman
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Posted - 2004.07.25 23:36:00 -
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this explains it all...thnx...
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GlimmerMan
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Posted - 2004.07.31 12:11:00 -
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Originally by: GM Abraxas
You also have to have a certain minimum standing with his corporation. That minimum is [(agent level-2)*2.0] + [(agent quality*5.0)/100.0]
Is that correct? You're saying you need [(3-2)*2] + [(0*5)/100] = 2.0 to use a level 3, 0 quality agent, last I checked you needed 4.0.
Likewise [(2-2)*2] + [(0*5)/100] = 0.0 to use a level 2, 0 quality agent, again I thought this was 2.0.
I needed 4.95 to use my current level 3, 19 quality agent, by that forumla I'd have needed 2.95.
Long and short, I think you mean:
[(agent level-1)*2.0] + [(agent quality*5.0)/100.0]
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GlimmerMan
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Posted - 2004.07.31 12:11:00 -
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Originally by: GM Abraxas
You also have to have a certain minimum standing with his corporation. That minimum is [(agent level-2)*2.0] + [(agent quality*5.0)/100.0]
Is that correct? You're saying you need [(3-2)*2] + [(0*5)/100] = 2.0 to use a level 3, 0 quality agent, last I checked you needed 4.0.
Likewise [(2-2)*2] + [(0*5)/100] = 0.0 to use a level 2, 0 quality agent, again I thought this was 2.0.
I needed 4.95 to use my current level 3, 19 quality agent, by that forumla I'd have needed 2.95.
Long and short, I think you mean:
[(agent level-1)*2.0] + [(agent quality*5.0)/100.0]
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GM Abraxas
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Posted - 2004.08.01 14:03:00 -
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Edited by: GM Abraxas on 01/08/2004 14:05:21
Originally by: GlimmerMan
Long and short, I think you mean:
[(agent level-1)*2.0] + [(agent quality*5.0)/100.0]
Nope, I don't. It's [(agent level-2)*2.0] + [(agent quality*5.0)/100.0]
Keep in mind that in the part you're quoting, I'm only talking about R&D agents. The standing requirement I mentioned is in addition to the usual "-1" part and has to be fulfilled by your standings with his corporation - not by your faction standings.
Normal agents, on the other hand, just have the "-1" requirement.
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GM Abraxas
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Posted - 2004.08.01 14:03:00 -
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Edited by: GM Abraxas on 01/08/2004 14:05:21
Originally by: GlimmerMan
Long and short, I think you mean:
[(agent level-1)*2.0] + [(agent quality*5.0)/100.0]
Nope, I don't. It's [(agent level-2)*2.0] + [(agent quality*5.0)/100.0]
Keep in mind that in the part you're quoting, I'm only talking about R&D agents. The standing requirement I mentioned is in addition to the usual "-1" part and has to be fulfilled by your standings with his corporation - not by your faction standings.
Normal agents, on the other hand, just have the "-1" requirement.
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Richard D
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Posted - 2004.08.22 18:29:00 -
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hm is it fixed now ?
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Richard D
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Posted - 2004.08.22 18:29:00 -
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hm is it fixed now ?
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GM Abraxas
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Posted - 2004.10.10 12:40:00 -
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Originally by: Richard D
hm is it fixed now ?
Connections? Yeah, it's fixed. I'd just forgotten to edit out the "got broken" line.
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GM Abraxas
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Posted - 2004.10.10 12:40:00 -
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Originally by: Richard D
hm is it fixed now ?
Connections? Yeah, it's fixed. I'd just forgotten to edit out the "got broken" line.
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Core Bash
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Posted - 2004.11.15 06:03:00 -
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Edited by: Core Bash on 15/11/2004 06:05:54
Can someone please verify what the Effective Quality of an agent actually is? I'm not sure if it means you get better missions (ie: less jumps, bigger combat spawns, etc), does it mean you get better rewards/bonuses, or does it mean your standing with the corporation goes up faster when doing missions for an agent with a high Effective Quality. 
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Core Bash
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Posted - 2004.11.15 06:03:00 -
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Edited by: Core Bash on 15/11/2004 06:05:54
Can someone please verify what the Effective Quality of an agent actually is? I'm not sure if it means you get better missions (ie: less jumps, bigger combat spawns, etc), does it mean you get better rewards/bonuses, or does it mean your standing with the corporation goes up faster when doing missions for an agent with a high Effective Quality.
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MrPrice77
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Posted - 2005.01.24 06:53:00 -
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I know this is a little off topic... but is this the same Abraxas as Americas Army?
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Kitrini
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Posted - 2005.01.25 13:11:00 -
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I've only just restarted playing Eve after 12mths absence. Finally a use for my character with a basic (Pre Skill, implants etc) Charisma of 14. Man i wish i'd found this post earlier. Don't want to waste anyone's time here but can anyone advise which order to train the skills discussed above. To get the maximum benefit of this character i'v been agenting with for so long. I only have trade at 1 atm. However from when character was previously active have 3 or 4 Lvl 3 agent's with high quality that i can't use.
Cheers
Kitrini
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GM Abraxas
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Posted - 2005.01.26 01:02:00 -
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I really need to give the original post an overhaul, but that'll have to wait.
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Can someone please verify what the Effective Quality of an agent actually is?
It's your first guess: Better missions, with fewer jumps and better rewards. I can't say whether it increases the standing boosts you get for the missions, though; I'm pretty sure Social alone is supposed to do that (Can't get to EVE right now to check it out ...).
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is this the same Abraxas as Americas Army?
Nope. When I first got asked this I didn't even know of the game, so my response to the question "Are you in America's Army?" was basically "... are you kidding? I live in Iceland, you know."
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can anyone advise which order to train the skills discussed above
Train Connections first, level 4 at least, 5 for preference. That'll net you access to better agents right away. Once you've gotten settled in with an agent you like, train Negotiations to improve their quality (and hence the quality of the missions they'll be giving you), then Social to improve your standing increases.
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Braaage
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Posted - 2005.01.26 01:42:00 -
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Edited by: Braaage on 26/01/2005 01:42:42
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Can someone please verify what the Effective Quality of an agent actually is?
It's your first guess: Better missions, with fewer jumps and better rewards. I can't say whether it increases the standing boosts you get for the missions, though; I'm pretty sure Social alone is supposed to do that (Can't get to EVE right now to check it out ...).
Heh then why did u put in your player manual exactly the opposite?
It said quality only affected standing rewards not isk or missions.
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Hoova
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Posted - 2005.01.26 08:53:00 -
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Just out of curiosity, where does Criminal Connections fit into all this?
Will training Criminal Connections affect relationships with non-criminal corps/factions? Working for pirate factions, what happens to your sec status? Your relationship with non-pirate corps? Do the other skills help?
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Nirat
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Posted - 2005.02.14 04:18:00 -
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Originally by: GM Abraxas
Connections has an effect on your agent's Effective Quality, but not nearly as much as Negotiations does. Train the latter if you want to improve the agents you currently have.
(Edit) The formula is like this: Effective Quality = Base Quality + (5*Level of Negotiation) + Effective Standing. The effects of Connections on your Effective Standing is noted above.
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Please explain why the description of negotiation mentions nothing of this.
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Skill at agent negotiation. 5% additional pay for agent missions.
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Says nothing of effecting the effective quality.
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The Silent1
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Posted - 2005.02.24 09:43:00 -
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Edited by: The Silent1 on 24/02/2005 09:43:06
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Polaris Lumine
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Posted - 2005.02.28 12:28:00 -
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Social affects the standing reward you are given for each mission (as a percentage. So if you have this to level 3 and the standing gain for a mission is 2.0% then you would receive 2.0 + 15% = 2.3
Connections modifies your effective standing to an agent. So if you have a standing of 2.0 and Connections to level 3 (12%) you would effectively have a standing (2.0 + (8-12%)) = 2.96
10 being the maximum standing - 2.0 being your standing = 8 (which is what the 12% is applied to). I think that's correct anyway.
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