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Frogzuk
Dragonian Freelancers
CORE.
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Posted - 2007.05.14 09:55:00 -
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interestingly the cap fleets are posing a problem for many smaller alliances that are unable to counter the cap blob.
Just wondered what pilots thought about this arms race to have the biggest baddest cap fleet in game.
Its is not healthy for eve and its not healthy for the casual gamers who are light years beind in skills. I propose that the major alliances sign up to the cap fleet arms race treaty, thus they all agree to remove titans and motherships from front lines.
This treaty will stay in effect until such a time that these ships are no longer destroying eve for what it is ... a pvp game. This treaty could restore the faith in newer players to enjoy the thrills of pvp, this treaty would even the playing field somewhat, but not take away the likes of BoB / RA ability to pawn smaller alliances.
Its an idea, and most good things come form ideas....
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Scagga Laebetrovo
Delictum 23216
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Posted - 2007.05.14 10:00:00 -
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The huge demand for minerals incurred is good for the primary economy, where many of the newer pilots may decide to start.
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Keeto
Digital Fury Corporation
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Posted - 2007.05.14 10:01:00 -
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Does not seem advantageous to anyone but the weak, and while that is the point of this thread I am not sure the major players are going to let their guard down with no guarantee that their enemy will do the same. Interesting idea though.
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fire 59
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.14 10:10:00 -
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Interesting idea but i personally wouldn't trust some of our enemies as far as i could throw them.
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Angor
The JORG Corporation
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.14 10:13:00 -
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Edited by: Angor on 14/05/2007 10:13:28
Well at least with the dev blog changes, POS's will be better equipt to defend themselves... I doubt against 150 capitals though. In the next year this is only going to get worse, i wouldnt be supprised to see 400 dreads take down 1 POS by the end of this year.
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Tassi
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.05.14 10:18:00 -
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.05.14 10:21:00 -
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In a way, the massive blobs are forcing diplomacy on smaller alliances. In one way, this is a good thing. On the other hand, "diplomacy" in this case either means:
a) sucking up to the power block threatening you
b) join someone else's power block hoping they can defend you
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Liu Kaskakka
PAK
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Posted - 2007.05.14 10:28:00 -
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Err, so someone who doesn't have a titan proposes a pact that bans titans? You think USA or Russia would say "OK!" if Finland said 'Let's ban nukes and all other advanced weaponry!'?
King Liu is RIGHT!!
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nickycakes
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.14 10:32:00 -
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 Originally by: Frogzuk
Its is not healthy for eve and its not healthy for the casual gamers who are light years beind in skills.
How exactly is it "not healthy for eve". And how would being a casual gamer put you behind in skillpoints?
This isn't wow. The game isn't designed to be an even field for "casual gamers". Put in more work, get more in return. Put in less work, get less in return, whine on forums.
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Gaia Thorn
Infestation.
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Posted - 2007.05.14 10:36:00 -
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I can understand your thinking.
The problem is just gonna grown worse everyday that passes soon everyone can fly a capital ship and combine that with the 700 people cap limit on systems (i think was introduced) that means 400 dreads jump into local and support rendering the defenders toothless.
For me capitals are slowly killing eve since the time of a good old fashioned gate camp or beeing chased in a hauler in 0.0 down towards empire has come to a end.
Now adays every corp in 0.0 invests in a carrier and whaamo no haulers going through 0.0 space.
Just jump totaly care free except for the 15 seconds timer after a jump.
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Namtuk
Minmatar
Dynaverse Corporation
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Posted - 2007.05.14 10:43:00 -
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Edited by: Namtuk on 14/05/2007 10:41:19
Edited by: Namtuk on 14/05/2007 10:41:06
Edited by: Namtuk on 14/05/2007 10:40:45
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12: Anything worth doing is worth doing for money.
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Minigin
Ganja Labs
Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.14 10:45:00 -
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can you honestly imagine telling molle
"we know you've spent isk for 4 titans and tens of motherships... but please sir... can you remove them from battle?"
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WhiteSnake
Generals Of Destruction Syndicate
Terror In The System
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Posted - 2007.05.14 10:54:00 -
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capital fleets ruin eve, while blobs doesnt?
send a petition:
hey I got a small alliance, could we nerf large alliances so I can engage them?
also I cant fly recon ships, nerf those ships too
in fact nerf everyhting but frigates, so all the rook pilots can compete the veterans
cheers m8.
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Jacque Custeau
Knights of the Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2007.05.14 10:57:00 -
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I know lots of people hate it when vets say "remember when...." but I think this applies here.
Capital Ships got introduced after people spent months twiddling their thumbs and wondering what was next. POS's were introduced after huge demand that people be able to deploy structures in space. Conquerables came after people complained that taking advantage of station-less regions was difficult. POS sovereignty mechanics came to reduce the frustration of station ping pong (charging up station shields anyone?). Starbases were demanded pretty much in the first week in the game.
Everything everyone is complaining about with regards to territorial control was implemented by player demand. And in revelations 2 more big changes are coming based on player demand. CCP listening to its customers is good for EvE.
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Radeberger
Caldari
Tyrell Corp
INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2007.05.14 11:05:00 -
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Seriously whatever happened to the so-called big capital ship program of the goons?
Surely if they can do it so can you, it's all a matter of dedication and thorough planning
Maybe you don't want to put the time into it, if that is so, then you have yourself to blame.
now stop whining, get out there and get it done
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StarSearcher
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Posted - 2007.05.14 11:05:00 -
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Originally by: Gaia Thorn
I can understand your thinking.
The problem is just gonna grown worse everyday that passes soon everyone can fly a capital ship and combine that with the 700 people cap limit on systems (i think was introduced) that means 400 dreads jump into local and support rendering the defenders toothless.
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All these continued claims about 700 ppl cap limit confuses me.
I petitioned the question to the GM's, and the answer was that there had never been, and there were no plans on cap'ing the amount of people in one system.
Did anyone else petition the GMs regarding this and got any different answer?
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Topaz Skydiver
Minmatar
Narrative Freshfood
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Posted - 2007.05.14 11:29:00 -
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Agree to King Liu and Tassi. It's just unrealistic.
If one side demands no supercapital ships, then the other side will demand something like no 400-man newbie blobs. 
I doubt that people come to an agreement and if they really make one, then it doesn't take long and one side says: 'You broke our agreement !' or complain that something wasn't fair and the agreement gets canceled by one side.
EVE has never been a 'Lets have a nice fair pvp-match and be all friends !' game.
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heavyg
Caldari
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.05.14 11:30:00 -
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Edited by: heavyg on 14/05/2007 11:28:30
No, no enforced cap of 700, the node just crashes thats all.. :D
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cheru
Queens of the Stone Age
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.05.14 11:33:00 -
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Originally by: Frogzuk
interestingly the cap fleets are posing a problem for many smaller alliances that are unable to counter the cap blob.
Just wondered what pilots thought about this arms race to have the biggest baddest cap fleet in game.
Its is not healthy for eve and its not healthy for the casual gamers who are light years beind in skills. ...
Imho it is not capital ships per se that cause the big imbalance, but a combination of relatively small aspects.
Supercapital's immunity to scramblers, smartbombs vs dictor bubbles and the good ol' lag in fleetbattles that makes cunning tactical maneuvers rather difficult.
A fleet of 200 (t2) frigs/cruisers should indeed be able to kill a mothership or two, like 10 frigs can kill a BS, but at the current state the MS will just warp/cyno out (or tank them endlessly :D)..
Originally by: Frogzuk
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This treaty will stay in effect until such a time that these ships are no longer destroying eve for what it is ... a pvp game. This treaty could restore the faith in newer players to enjoy the thrills of pvp,
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I don't see why small, young alliances should be able to take big, old alliances head on. To make years of training, earnings and organisation pointless won't do the "pvp game Eve" any good.
Yes, the space claiming game is dominated by the ones with the most skills, isk and "plan" (doh), but you absolutely don't have to go where the big, scary cap blobs are to "enjoy the thrills of pvp", as long as your POSes don't force you to. ;)
POS wars are the playground for the big boys with big toys. What's so hard to accept there or why is it envisioned as the core feature of Eve for younger players anyway?
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wdwm Katarr
Amarr
11th Hussars
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Posted - 2007.05.14 11:35:00 -
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Originally by: fire 59
Interesting idea but i personally wouldn't trust some of our enemies as far as i could throw them.
Yet we can rely on your Alliance to be above it all? /cheapshot
To the OP, I can see your concerns. But eventually if things get to far out of whack I'm sure CCP will level the playing field in some form or the other.
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Capt Willard
STK Scientific
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.05.14 11:38:00 -
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Edited by: Capt Willard on 14/05/2007 11:40:40
Any non-proliferation treaty would be as successful as anti nuclear proliferation treaties are now in RL. Anyone who couldn't really afford to keep building more titans/nukes etc would be up for it, but the super-powers would refuse to even look at it. Perhaps we might see somekinda modern paralell where smaller alliances are left be as long as they don't persue super-caps
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Darknesss
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.05.14 11:40:00 -
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I can see why you would suggest it but it does work the other way aswell, better skilled alliances with more sp and isk gain a advantage over larger alliances through the use of capitals.
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EVIL SYNNs
Minmatar
Shadows of the Dead
Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.14 11:45:00 -
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I (speaking for my self and not my corp or alliance) here by swear that if you have a frig , I'm going to bring a the badest ship I can get my hands on. If you bring a Battle cruiser I'm going to get the badest ship I can lay my hands on. If you bring you battleship I'm going to bring the badest ship I can get my hands on.
If you bring a Titan I'm going to sit in a POS and stick my tounge out UNTIL I can get a Titan (apart from pants joke). Them the rules and I'm playing by these rules.
Blobs, Capitals, Titans. Why is those complaining don't have them. Same debate was had years ago about Battleships. "They have a battleship gang, that must have cost them billions, thats so unfair"
Sorry guys, no one playing this game is going to wait for me to catch up, so I can't wait on you.
Sorry
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Fitz Chivalry
eXceed Inc.
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Posted - 2007.05.14 11:46:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
a) sucking up to the power block threatening you
...must....resist....obvious....joke....strength....fading....must...attempt...keep....resist
/me explodes.
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Goktar illiat
Gallente
DAB
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.14 11:46:00 -
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Originally by: fire 59
Interesting idea but i personally wouldn't trust some of our enemies as far as i could throw them.
You are funny ! Because trust and integrity is a part of the BOD image ?
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Obivan Efa
The Machines
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Posted - 2007.05.14 11:50:00 -
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Best way to solve this problem - ship class restrictions in 1 system.
CCP should limit ship types allowed in 1 system same time.
For example for each side:
1 Titan
2 Mothers
5-10 Dreads
5 Carriers
30-50 BSs
70+ smallships
Or so on..
It will bring more tactical solutions on field, less lag, less blob, more local fights, more war parties. Epic Wars will be as large front fights instead of 1 MEGAUBERSUPERULTRABLOBBYBADABOOM!!!!1111one11eleven!!!
I think it would bring much fun for all.
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JackOfHearts
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.05.14 11:51:00 -
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Originally by: Frogzuk
Its is not healthy for eve and its not healthy for the casual gamers who are light years beind in skills.
I do believe you have a interesting point, I to have run a corp and found out that I would have to spend years just to get anywhere, let alone try and run an alliance.
But to be honest I think thats why eve is such a great game. If it was so easy to get somewhere or what level 70 in wow to get the goods, then what would be the point in playing after that?
But that being said I say the best solution is to keep expanding the eve universe, that way other alliances and corps can expand to regions, soon perhaps it would take 5 hours just to get across the whole universe giving may alliances the chance.
I wouldn't worry about it too much though, this war between the alliance vs the coalition has been a 3 year long war. Just alliance names have changed, if you really do the homework.
I believe many alliances can also survive just by being friendly so many wars fought over bad poor attitudes.
But keep your head up mate, the only way you lose is by giving up!
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Fitz Chivalry
eXceed Inc.
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Posted - 2007.05.14 11:51:00 -
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Edited by: Fitz Chivalry on 14/05/2007 11:50:00
Originally by: Darknesss
I can see why you would suggest it but it does work the other way aswell, better skilled alliances with more sp and isk gain a advantage over larger alliances through the use of capitals.
Except it doesnt really work like that does it?
Because aside from the goons (which is obviously your reference) its only the larger alliances that have these ships (in particular the titans, the MS are less of an issue).
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Trustus
Dark-Rising
Fallen Souls
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Posted - 2007.05.14 11:58:00 -
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Edited by: Trustus on 14/05/2007 11:59:32
Edited by: Trustus on 14/05/2007 11:57:38
Edited by: Trustus on 14/05/2007 11:56:38
Originally by: Frogzuk
interestingly the cap fleets are posing a problem for many smaller alliances that are unable to counter the cap blob.
Just wondered what pilots thought about this arms race to have the biggest baddest cap fleet in game.
Its is not healthy for eve and its not healthy for the casual gamers who are light years beind in skills. I propose that the major alliances sign up to the cap fleet arms race treaty, thus they all agree to remove titans and motherships from front lines.
This treaty will stay in effect until such a time that these ships are no longer destroying eve for what it is ... a pvp game. This treaty could restore the faith in newer players to enjoy the thrills of pvp, this treaty would even the playing field somewhat, but not take away the likes of BoB / RA ability to pawn smaller alliances.
Its an idea, and most good things come form ideas....
So basicly what you want is that all of us that have worked HARD to get skills and ships and wasted tons of months getting the right skills in favor for players that have not being online long enough to have the skills or isk to buy the equip/ship/skills.
What do you think my answer to that gonna be, is just like when CCP decided to introduce 800k SP to new started characters. That was to me a HUGE lack of respect for us that have workd from scrath and paid for the time it took us to get 800k sp.
life is never fair so why should eve be fair??
/T
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MeatwagonUK
M. Corp
M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.05.14 12:00:00 -
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Originally by: nickycakes
Originally by: Frogzuk
Its is not healthy for eve and its not healthy for the casual gamers who are light years beind in skills.
How exactly is it "not healthy for eve". And how would being a casual gamer put you behind in skillpoints?
This isn't wow. The game isn't designed to be an even field for "casual gamers". Put in more work, get more in return. Put in less work, get less in return, whine on forums.
Parts of that are true, but for a casual gamer, this is the best you're gonna get. Skills training when you don't even have to be online is a casual players dream tbh, not grinding like in WoW or whatever.
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