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Ortu Konsinni KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.14 13:39:00 - [1] I'm at the point where I need to choose what race's capitals to go for. Basically I've trained everything a pilot can train below capital ships, except interdictors, which I'm not interested in. I also don't have any battleship skill at level 5, so I really am at a crossroad. I have 40 million SP. As a traditional Caldari/Gallente pilot, I'm inclined to go for either a Chimera or a Thanatos. The Archon could be an option as well. Chimera +: can't really think of any... I guess it tanks pretty well? -: impossible to fit with a full T2 setup, bringing the cost up due to having to use faction mods Thanatos +: bonus to both armor and shield remote reps, can therefore help both shield and armor tankers on the battlefield, I like that +: fighter damage bonus (which I don't particularly care for, but it is a plus) +: easy to fit -: all too damn common but I can live with that -: its tank could be better I guess - question: is it a good tank regardless? assume I'll be using only T2 mods and dual reps, though maybe I'll throw in a Core-X explosive hardener Archon: +: clearly a monster tank +: easy to fit as well -: can't think of any At this point I'm leaning more toward the Archon or the Thanatos. The Chimera, as with the other Caldari capitals, has huge CPU issues because shield mods in general use entirely too much of it, but it's especially capital shield boosters and capital shield transporters that are the problem. Anyway, that's been discussed elsewhere and is not the subject of this topic. So it kinda boils down to a Thanatos or Archon for me. Like I outlined above, both look good on paper in their own different ways. Is there anything else I'm overlooking, and can I get some thoughts on my thoughts, please? --- High quality pics of ALL EVE ships!
ViperVenom Minmatar Labteck Corporation LTD. Novus Ordos Seclorum	Posted - 2007.05.14 13:45:00 - [2] Archon im my Opinion is the best Carrier out there. The name of the Cap ship warfare is tank and rep. the Archon has a huge tank. Plus is can perma run dual reppers.
Janu Hull Caldari Order of Z Industries	Posted - 2007.05.14 13:46:00 - [3] Personally, I'm probably heading up the carrier path. I'm primarily a PvE player, and with the upcoming L5 content in lowsec, I just think the carrier is going to perform better than a dreadnought. The new seige modules that are on SiSi for carriers could make them pretty amazing gang support ships. This is my sig, there are many others just like it. With me, my sig is worthless. Without (or with even) my sig, I am worthless...
Liam Fremen Gallente Global Isk Network NBSI Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.14 13:48:00 - [4] As always nidhoggur is not even mentioned \o/ (nidhoggur pilot here) Btw, if i had to chose now due to my gameplay (lot of front-line) i would chose thanatos or archon. The damage bonus of thanatos is something you like if you are used to be on front line engaging with your fighters. Unitevi alla crociata contro gli sfigati di EvE, gli AESC!
Asestorian Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2007.05.14 13:49:00 - [5] Personally I will get an Archon when I can be bothered to start getting the skills, but that is more because I already have mostly Amarr skills. But I have to say, that the Archon is probably the best anyway. It has a ridiculously good tank, and still has decent enough damage. --- ---
Sokratesz Paradox v2.0 1 Shot 1 Kill	Posted - 2007.05.14 13:53:00 - [6] Due to race choice im going for a chimera (ample weeks left). Been playing with fits for awhile and it doesnt seem that bad at all. sig down temporarily Originally by: welsh wizard You might not be able to kill anything but you can sure as hell ignore it and go about your business
Chronus26 Gallente Team Laser Explosion	Posted - 2007.05.14 14:05:00 - [7] Thanatos can tank well enough to survive, if thats what you are meaning. Not that much ever gets through your shields anyway. Another plus point of the Thanatos is that it can hold more fighters (20) than the Archon (16), Chimera (16) and Nighoggur (18). A negative point of the Archon is its lack of Mid-slots. Ideally you want either two sensor boosters or a sensor booster and a warp disruptor. Loosing 2 Cap Rechargers to fit these kinda hurts the Archon more than it does the Thanatos or Nidhoggur. I say this every time this topic comes up, but It doesn't really matter which one you pick, They all tank well enough to survive most fights, they can all use fighters, they can all use Capital Logistics of some kind. Just pick whichever benefits your favorite BS the most, or whichever you think looks the coolest. -----
Ghostshadow	Posted - 2007.05.14 14:33:00 - [8] Originally by: Chronus26 Thanatos can tank well enough to survive, if thats what you are meaning. Not that much ever gets through your shields anyway. Another plus point of the Thanatos is that it can hold more fighters (20) than the Archon (16), Chimera (16) and Nighoggur (18). A negative point of the Archon is its lack of Mid-slots. Ideally you want either two sensor boosters or a sensor booster and a warp disruptor. Loosing 2 Cap Rechargers to fit these kinda hurts the Archon more than it does the Thanatos or Nidhoggur. I say this every time this topic comes up, but It doesn't really matter which one you pick, They all tank well enough to survive most fights, they can all use fighters, they can all use Capital Logistics of some kind. Just pick whichever benefits your favorite BS the most, or whichever you think looks the coolest. Archon with an alt to use remote sensorboosters = win?
Gariuys Evil Strangers Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.14 14:33:00 - [9] Thanatos looks cool = win. Everything else really doesn't matter.
Chronus26 Gallente Team Laser Explosion	Posted - 2007.05.14 14:54:00 - [10] Originally by: Ghostshadow Originally by: Chronus26 Thanatos can tank well enough to survive, if thats what you are meaning. Not that much ever gets through your shields anyway. Another plus point of the Thanatos is that it can hold more fighters (20) than the Archon (16), Chimera (16) and Nighoggur (18). A negative point of the Archon is its lack of Mid-slots. Ideally you want either two sensor boosters or a sensor booster and a warp disruptor. Loosing 2 Cap Rechargers to fit these kinda hurts the Archon more than it does the Thanatos or Nidhoggur. I say this every time this topic comes up, but It doesn't really matter which one you pick, They all tank well enough to survive most fights, they can all use fighters, they can all use Capital Logistics of some kind. Just pick whichever benefits your favorite BS the most, or whichever you think looks the coolest. Archon with an alt to use remote sensorboosters = win? Thats one idea I had in the past but never tried. -----
Sokratesz Paradox v2.0 1 Shot 1 Kill	Posted - 2007.05.14 15:15:00 - [11] Carriers in combination with other support vessels = win. Remote repping a logistics cruiser who in turn can rep you or gang mates = infinite shield source sig down temporarily Originally by: welsh wizard You might not be able to kill anything but you can sure as hell ignore it and go about your business
Janu Hull Caldari Order of Z Industries	Posted - 2007.05.14 18:23:00 - [12] The only support I've seen carriers need so far is tackling. Give one a pair of tacklers, and let the drones and fighters do the hard work, the rest is cake. You can focus the bulk of your active modules to repping the tacklers and soaking damage. This is my sig, there are many others just like it. With me, my sig is worthless. Without (or with even) my sig, I am worthless...
Lenaria Caldari Draconis Navitas Aeterna	Posted - 2007.05.14 18:29:00 - [13] Archon and Thanatos both are very good. Personally i always liked damage more than tank so i choose thanatos. ============================================== 1 Titan is ok, 2 kills any fun, 3 make peoples quit eve. No wonder online numbers decline for 3rd month.
Daelin Blackleaf No Joy Corp Pride - Honor - Duty	Posted - 2007.05.14 18:42:00 - [14] With the Triage module (Seige Logistics) in testing at the moment the Nidhoggur may be about to become a lot more popular. Good news for me as Im already heading that way. Bad news because i was kinda hoping to be one of the few and the proud.
Ath Amon	Posted - 2007.05.14 19:11:00 - [15] mah imo triage module is not that good by itself (at least in its current state) i boost "heals" by around 35% but you can't use any drone/fighter... considering that "just" 10 heavy drones can heal for around 150hps... Originally by: Diana Merris Unfortunately, rather than address the slot layout/tanking issues for Minmatar the Devs have simple declared that it makes us "versitile".
Ariel Dawn SniggWaffe Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.05.14 19:52:00 - [16] Originally by: Daelin Blackleaf With the Triage module (Seige Logistics) in testing at the moment the Nidhoggur may be about to become a lot more popular. Good news for me as Im already heading that way. Bad news because i was kinda hoping to be one of the few and the proud. Doubt it. All of a sudden the carrier with the worst cap which also happens to use it much faster than any other carrier thanks to the bonus is now using it twice as fast with triage. 1200 cap/s with dual reppers while standard fits recharge is around 220-290 cap/s. Then throw in nos/neuts once people switch targets to the nearly capped Nidhoggur thanks to it's remote reps and boom.
Vmir Gallahasen Gallente Omniscient Order Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.05.14 20:43:00 - [17] Originally by: Ath Amon mah imo triage module is not that good by itself (at least in its current state) i boost "heals" by around 35% but you can't use any drone/fighter... Actually, it boosts logistics by 300%. You get double the effect, in half the duration. A cap remote rep currently does 1500 hp in 5s, in triage it'll do 3000 hp in 2.5s ... Same deal with your armor reps, twice the rep in half the time. The problem is going to be cap
Ath Amon	Posted - 2007.05.14 21:11:00 - [18] Originally by: Vmir Gallahasen Originally by: Ath Amon mah imo triage module is not that good by itself (at least in its current state) i boost "heals" by around 35% but you can't use any drone/fighter... Actually, it boosts logistics by 300%. You get double the effect, in half the duration. A cap remote rep currently does 1500 hp in 5s, in triage it'll do 3000 hp in 2.5s ... Same deal with your armor reps, twice the rep in half the time. The problem is going to be cap ahhh my bad i read it wrong... tought it was +50% to duration and not 50% less... this way it makes way more sense... but sad for the minnie carrier/MS that will be even more useless than now Originally by: Diana Merris Unfortunately, rather than address the slot layout/tanking issues for Minmatar the Devs have simple declared that it makes us "versitile".
Daelin Blackleaf No Joy Corp Pride - Honor - Duty	Posted - 2007.05.14 22:19:00 - [19] Ive posted elsewhere on the triage module having potential but being useless in it's current form. I imagine that it will see several changes during it's testing phase.
Deja Nay Fist of the Empire	Posted - 2007.05.14 22:21:00 - [20] One thing that really really bothers me though is that full slave and omega implants works for armour tanking capitals but Crystal and omega doesnt for shield tanking ones, how screwed up is that ? :S Chimera pilot.
slothe Caldari 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.05.14 22:43:00 - [21] archon or thanatos tbh
Aterna Talon's Grasp	Posted - 2007.05.15 02:01:00 - [22] Slave set simply increases the amount of armor. It doesn't increase the strength of the actual tank. In a fight where your tank is being overcome, it prolongs the inevitable. Whether the slave set prolongs it long enough for someone to come bail you out, or long enough for your fighters to eat through enough enemies that you recover, is another matter altogether. - - - WTB new sig, evemail me please.
Skraeling Shortbus Caldari Gallente Federal Bank FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.15 02:57:00 - [23] the nyx is your sex god obey it.
Crimson Tear GalacTECH Unlimited Gunboat Diplomacy	Posted - 2007.05.15 05:32:00 - [24] Originally by: Skraeling Shortbus the nyx is your sex god obey it. He's got a point. If you're looking down the road, the Millennium Falcon-looking Nyx is definately hot. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected])
Ciphero Furious Vendetta FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.15 07:40:00 - [25] Edited by: Ciphero on 15/05/2007 07:40:37 Edit: 590m carrier? What? My logic is that the Niddy is due a boost of some sort, so buying it cheap (if you can call 950m 'cheap') now is sensible. Please, please :( It does have capacitor issues, but it also has more spare med slots to use on cap rechargers than any other carrier. The Archon has a piddling 4, Thanatos 5. Not sure on the Chimera but it obviously has to field shield tanking mods in as well. It also looks like a flying tent with bits of it blown away. It's that old Minmatar "so underdog we don't really expect our ships to make it to the fight" charm. However, sliding back onto topic, any of the three you mentioned are good. The Archon has an incredible tank, as does the Chimera (just - obviously - tanks more DPS for a shorter time) and it's not as if the Thanatos doesn't tank well itself either. Personally, I'd choose the Archon, but you can't really go wrong.
Rinaldo Titano Caldari Domus Fatalis FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.15 07:46:00 - [26] Originally by: Deja Nay One thing that really really bothers me though is that full slave and omega implants works for armour tanking capitals but Crystal and omega doesnt for shield tanking ones, how screwed up is that ? :S Chimera pilot. /SIGNED Again good for armor tankers. If they buy a 2Bil implant set, they can use effectively on all they ships from frig up to Titan. But shield tankers cant use they crystals on they capitals. I dont want that crystals should be used on capitals, because they would be too powerfull, but something similiar than the Slave set would be good for shield tankers too. Tnx
Deja Nay Fist of the Empire	Posted - 2007.05.15 12:46:00 - [27] Originally by: Aterna Slave set simply increases the amount of armor. It doesn't increase the strength of the actual tank. In a fight where your tank is being overcome, it prolongs the inevitable. Whether the slave set prolongs it long enough for someone to come bail you out, or long enough for your fighters to eat through enough enemies that you recover, is another matter altogether. So with leadership skills Slave and omega and all the other boost you get youre capital to 600k armour while were still on 100 - 200ish .. great ... anyone seeing how wrong this actually is ?
Paigan Amarr Thirdwave	Posted - 2007.05.15 12:56:00 - [28] Edited by: Paigan on 15/05/2007 12:57:05 Originally by: Ortu Konsinni Chimera -: impossible to fit with a full T2 setup, bringing the cost up due to having to use faction mods wrong 4500 dps permanent tanking (resistance average) with only T2 / named stuff. Plenty of CPU. Originally by: Ortu Konsinni The Chimera, as with the other Caldari capitals, has huge CPU issues because shield mods in general use entirely too much of it, but it's especially capital shield boosters and capital shield transporters that are the problem. wrong. My Phoenix has around 9800dps permanent tanking with only T2 / named stuff. Has even some CPU left i think. It can also fit 1-3 BCS with a good going (but weaker, of course) tank. The chim setup is of course with an cap energy and a cap shield transporter. Caldari capitals have enough CPU, if you know what you're doing. Originally by: Ortu Konsinni Anyway, that's been discussed elsewhere and is not the subject of this topic. If you mention it as a crucial point for the comparison, then of course it is the topic here. Otherwise, you wouldn't have mentioned it :-) Originally by: Ortu Konsinni Is there anything else I'm overlooking, and can I get some thoughts on my thoughts, please? Yes you're overlooking the whole caldari thing :D Still, Archon or Thanatos are nice ships as well. Maybe better then chimera, no objections. -- This game is still in beta stage
Pociomundo Gallente World Order The Imperial Order	Posted - 2007.05.15 13:53:00 - [29] Capital armour rep rigs are coming out.
Chronus26 Gallente Team Laser Explosion	Posted - 2007.05.15 14:18:00 - [30] Originally by: Pociomundo Capital armour rep rigs are coming out. Any more details? -----

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