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Thanos Draicon	Posted - 2007.05.14 14:06:00 - [1] Interesting idea as a possible fix for freighters. Give them each 1 high slot, 1 medium slot, and 1 low slot. Then allow them to use Triage modules. No more freighter ganking in empire, methinks. DISCUSS, FORUM MONKIES!
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.05.14 14:08:00 - [2] Better fix: Remove insurance if your ship is killed by CONCORD. This makes suicide squads cost for more and makes them only worthwhile for very very valuable freighter loads. --23 Member-- Listen to EVE-Trance Radio!
Daniella Althera	Posted - 2007.05.14 14:08:00 - [3] What is a freighter going to do with a +100% bonus to remote armor repairer range?
Dop Sutol	Posted - 2007.05.14 14:11:00 - [4] Best fix! Give em 20 low slots and 20 rig slots, only allow them to use cargo expanders in said slots and let all their cargo survive when destroyed
Roshan longshot Gallente Ordos Humanitas FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.14 14:12:00 - [5] No high slots but two each low and med slots. Plus the standard rig slots. Give the frieghts a fighting chance to run to the gates..... Free-form Professions, ensure no limetations on professions. Be a trader, fighter, industialist, researcher, hunter *pirate* or mixture of them all. [i]As read from the original box.
Thanos Draicon	Posted - 2007.05.14 14:12:00 - [6] Originally by: Daniella Althera What is a freighter going to do with a +100% bonus to remote armor repairer range? Rep CONCORD Removing insurance payouts for the mighty CONCORDOKKEN is an idea but I feel like it screws over new players too much - perhaps insurance is only paid out the first or second time you're killed by CONCORD might be a good compromise.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.05.14 14:14:00 - [7] Originally by: Thanos Draicon Originally by: Daniella Althera What is a freighter going to do with a +100% bonus to remote armor repairer range? Rep CONCORD Removing insurance payouts for the mighty CONCORDOKKEN is an idea but I feel like it screws over new players too much - perhaps insurance is only paid out the first or second time you're killed by CONCORD might be a good compromise. Then just apply the Revelations Capital Ship HP Boost to freighters. That would solve the problem also --23 Member-- Listen to EVE-Trance Radio!
Dunedon	Posted - 2007.05.14 14:20:00 - [8] Edited by: Dunedon on 14/05/2007 14:18:25 Originally by: Thanos Draicon Removing insurance payouts for the mighty CONCORDOKKEN is an idea but I feel like it screws over new players too much - perhaps insurance is only paid out the first or second time you're killed by CONCORD might be a good compromise. Don't think it really does though. The way it should be: You get yourself killed by CONCORD for doing something in high-sec you really shouldn't be, and then Aura comes up and explains that this is what happens when you run afoul of CONCORD, and that your insurance is not payable in these cases. Would stop people from doing it more than once by mistake and, as was pointed out, would making suicide ganking not really worth it. Sounds like a great (and simple) fix to a vexing problem. - Dunedon ------ WYSIWYG: I don't post with an Alt ... if I die in game for having an opinion, at least I know someone listened. - Dunedon
Bavinok radiated space gerbils	Posted - 2007.05.14 14:22:00 - [9] I have no problem giving frieghters, mid, low and rig slots, but if its done lets cut shields, armor, and hull by 75%
Slythought Sly Inc	Posted - 2007.05.14 14:24:00 - [10] More simple solution and you can use it today... GET ESCORTS AND SCOUTS!!! Empire is not a safe haven, just "Safer" than 0.0.. Stop whining! Yes ... I am an alt...get over it!
Kalazar Amarr Veto. Academy Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.05.14 14:29:00 - [11] I agree with the idea of removing insurance payouts for concordokken losses tbh. Would make suiciding haulers with a gang of bs so much less appealing, you'd have to KNOW that the drops from the freighter would be worth it to cover all your losses. ---------------------------------------------- Attention Deficit Disorder? Don't be stupid, I can keep my mind on one subject for as long as I... Ooh! Shiny!
ToxicFire Phoenix Knights Dark Nebula Galactic Empire	Posted - 2007.05.14 14:31:00 - [12] Originally by: Slythought More simple solution and you can use it today... GET ESCORTS AND SCOUTS!!! Empire is not a safe haven, just "Safer" than 0.0.. Stop whining! Rofl, your saying thats a solution to what is basicly exploitation of an ingame mechanic to grief another player, eitherway ccp has seen right to fix it, concordoken has been boosted on sisi and targets drones, nigh impossible to do enough damage in time to pop a freighter now. Sig removed as it lacks EVE-related content. Mail [email protected] if you have questions. -Hango
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.05.14 14:35:00 - [13] Originally by: Slythought More simple solution and you can use it today... GET ESCORTS AND SCOUTS!!! Empire is not a safe haven, just "Safer" than 0.0.. Stop whining! How are you supposed to escort a freighter in empire? How do you expect to stop 30 suicide ships? At least in 0.0 you can pre-emptively attack them, or use carriers for repping! --23 Member-- Listen to EVE-Trance Radio!
Mecinia Lua Galactic Express Frontier Trade League	Posted - 2007.05.14 14:35:00 - [14] Well the problem stems from the fact the only ships that can pull off the freighter gank are the Gallante drone carriers. Other ships just can't do enough dps to get it done before concord shows up. This thus is an imbalance since only 1 races ships can do it. Never fear Concord has some improvements on test center. Concord will be instantly destroying drones on arrival or so I've heard (or near instantly). I do agree that the insurance should be voided in death by Concord. You could easily add this to the tutorial and left folks know, aura could explain it as part of the tutorial when talking about insurance in general. Thoughts expressed are mine and mine alone. They do not necessarily reflect my alliances thoughts.
Slythought Sly Inc	Posted - 2007.05.14 14:38:00 - [15] Originally by: ToxicFire Originally by: Slythought More simple solution and you can use it today... GET ESCORTS AND SCOUTS!!! Empire is not a safe haven, just "Safer" than 0.0.. Stop whining! Rofl, your saying thats a solution to what is basicly exploitation of an ingame mechanic to grief another player, eitherway ccp has seen right to fix it, concordoken has been boosted on sisi and targets drones, nigh impossible to do enough damage in time to pop a freighter now. Has this been a confirmed EXPLOIT?? If so then whats the problem, get them banned! If not then stfu. Yes ... I am an alt...get over it!
Slythought Sly Inc	Posted - 2007.05.14 14:40:00 - [16] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Slythought More simple solution and you can use it today... GET ESCORTS AND SCOUTS!!! Empire is not a safe haven, just "Safer" than 0.0.. Stop whining! How are you supposed to escort a freighter in empire? How do you expect to stop 30 suicide ships? At least in 0.0 you can pre-emptively attack them, or use carriers for repping! emm...lets see..... Frieghter is at range on the gate....scout jumps through.."omg! bloooob!!, dont jump!!" frieghter docks/safes up ... problem avoided. Scouts....every frieghter should hve atleast 1 !! Yes ... I am an alt...get over it!
Firkragg Blue Labs Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.05.14 14:42:00 - [17] Originally by: Dark Shikari Better fix: Remove insurance if your ship is killed by CONCORD. This makes suicide squads cost for more and makes them only worthwhile for very very valuable freighter loads. Im sorry to diagree with DS himself but i think this is a bad idea. In my time in eve ive lost two ships to concord. Both times it wasnt because i attacked another player but instead it was down to some stupid action suck as accidently targetting and firing on a mission structure rather than a npc. I would have been devestated if i hadnt have gotton my insurance pay out due to one act of accidental stupidity.
Pewpewdude	Posted - 2007.05.14 14:47:00 - [18] Best fix: Remove Freighters xD
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.05.14 14:48:00 - [19] Originally by: Firkragg Originally by: Dark Shikari Better fix: Remove insurance if your ship is killed by CONCORD. This makes suicide squads cost for more and makes them only worthwhile for very very valuable freighter loads. Im sorry to diagree with DS himself but i think this is a bad idea. In my time in eve ive lost two ships to concord. Both times it wasnt because i attacked another player but instead it was down to some stupid action suck as accidently targetting and firing on a mission structure rather than a npc. I would have been devestated if i hadnt have gotton my insurance pay out due to one act of accidental stupidity. True, that change would have negative consequences. It would also make it more difficult to suicide macro miners. What about changing security status so you get a hit based on the size of the ship you kill, and based on the security level of the system? Suiciding a very large ship in high sec and successfully killing it could make you an instant outlaw. --23 Member-- Listen to EVE-Trance Radio!
heheheh Singularity. The Cartel.	Posted - 2007.05.14 15:02:00 - [20] Originally by: ToxicFire Originally by: Slythought More simple solution and you can use it today... GET ESCORTS AND SCOUTS!!! Empire is not a safe haven, just "Safer" than 0.0.. Stop whining! Rofl, your saying thats a solution to what is basicly exploitation of an ingame mechanic to grief another player, eitherway ccp has seen right to fix it, concordoken has been boosted on sisi and targets drones, nigh impossible to do enough damage in time to pop a freighter now. Rofl, your saying this is an exploit ? it IS NOT an exploit as people are making ISK out of it. Read the description of what an exploit is before posting your own false assumptions.
heheheh Singularity. The Cartel.	Posted - 2007.05.14 15:04:00 - [21] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Slythought More simple solution and you can use it today... GET ESCORTS AND SCOUTS!!! Empire is not a safe haven, just "Safer" than 0.0.. Stop whining! How are you supposed to escort a freighter in empire? How do you expect to stop 30 suicide ships? At least in 0.0 you can pre-emptively attack them, or use carriers for repping! you scout to see if they are there?, you use remote reppers ?, there are many more solutions but seeing as though you are only here to talk crap i wont give you any more. Use your brain for once DS.
max bygraves	Posted - 2007.05.14 15:07:00 - [22] Why would removing insurance help matters ? you are living in a dream world mr ****ari, I suicide daily and insurance makes no difference whatsoever, we only attack if we are guaranteed to get our ISK back.
Aramendel Amarr Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.05.14 15:08:00 - [23] Just for the record, it's apparently fixed on sisi. According to a few reports concord does there now more dps and also instakills drones.
Drunk Driver Gallente	Posted - 2007.05.14 15:08:00 - [24] Originally by: Dark Shikari Better fix: Remove insurance if your ship is killed by CONCORD. This makes suicide squads cost for more and makes them only worthwhile for very very valuable freighter loads. This makes sense.
Meek also	Posted - 2007.05.14 15:10:00 - [25] The "fix" to freighter gank in empire is to give Concord the ability to Jam not only ship, but all the drones... Also ++ to removing insurance payout if Concord pop's your ship. (N00b's do get a warning the first time they try to do something dumb in empire)
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.05.14 15:12:00 - [26] Originally by: heheheh Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Slythought More simple solution and you can use it today... GET ESCORTS AND SCOUTS!!! Empire is not a safe haven, just "Safer" than 0.0.. Stop whining! How are you supposed to escort a freighter in empire? How do you expect to stop 30 suicide ships? At least in 0.0 you can pre-emptively attack them, or use carriers for repping! you scout to see if they are there?, you use remote reppers ?, there are many more solutions but seeing as though you are only here to talk crap i wont give you any more. Use your brain for once DS. How many remote reppers do you need to counter 30 battleships? Hint: Its a lot. Especially when a freighter has only 20k armor. --23 Member-- Listen to EVE-Trance Radio!
Mecinia Lua Galactic Express Frontier Trade League	Posted - 2007.05.14 15:14:00 - [27] Originally by: heheheh Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Slythought More simple solution and you can use it today... GET ESCORTS AND SCOUTS!!! Empire is not a safe haven, just "Safer" than 0.0.. Stop whining! How are you supposed to escort a freighter in empire? How do you expect to stop 30 suicide ships? At least in 0.0 you can pre-emptively attack them, or use carriers for repping! you scout to see if they are there?, you use remote reppers ?, there are many more solutions but seeing as though you are only here to talk crap i wont give you any more. Use your brain for once DS. Won't work. Yes you can scout, but freighters take so long to align that all the gankers have to do is have an innocent looking ship near the gate, warp to it after the freighter appears and kill it. Remote reppers won't keep it alive before concord arrives, you'd need a dozen logistics cruisers remote repping it in order to do so. Most logistics pilots aren't willing to sit babysit a freighter. There is a solution, it is Concord's beefed up ability on SiSi. They will be instantly killing the drones thus removing the imbalance that only one type of ship can do the freighter gank. Thoughts expressed are mine and mine alone. They do not necessarily reflect my alliances thoughts.
Aramendel Amarr Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.05.14 15:15:00 - [28] Edited by: Aramendel on 14/05/2007 15:15:39 Originally by: Dark Shikari Hint: Its a lot. Especially when a freighter has only 20k armor. Doesn't really matter as long as you do not repair more than 20k per cycle. But you would need a LOT of reppers for that. Originally by: Mecinia Lua ..thus removing the imbalance that only one type of ship can do the freighter gank... It would be nice, though, if they would also make sentry guns not target drones thus removing the imbalance that only one type of ship cannot gatecamp.
Archangel Raphael Caldari Army Of Angels	Posted - 2007.05.14 15:19:00 - [29] this is just off top off my head, and it will probably seem a totally insane and ludicrous suggestion. How about making the insurance payout for the freighter actually worth something as it stands its probably the most laughable part of the whole situation.
Ozzie Asrail Exploited	Posted - 2007.05.14 15:20:00 - [30] Originally by: heheheh Originally by: ToxicFire Originally by: Slythought More simple solution and you can use it today... GET ESCORTS AND SCOUTS!!! Empire is not a safe haven, just "Safer" than 0.0.. Stop whining! Rofl, your saying thats a solution to what is basicly exploitation of an ingame mechanic to grief another player, eitherway ccp has seen right to fix it, concordoken has been boosted on sisi and targets drones, nigh impossible to do enough damage in time to pop a freighter now. Rofl, your saying this is an exploit ? it IS NOT an exploit as people are making ISK out of it. Read the description of what an exploit is before posting your own false assumptions. Maybe you should learn to read and understand english sentances before flaming? Clearly you don't. Perhaps this will interest you? -----

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