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Rensalot
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.05.14 19:11:00 -
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180m to 260m+ in Jita over three days.
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NeellixTheTrader
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Posted - 2007.05.14 20:09:00 -
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What happen u say? ill tell u, nothing new, u suprised? :P just as t2 droped in price with " o yeah lets start pvp with proper stuff but affordable thus fantastic pvp combat situations some one or pure eve higher force made it dumb again, ho ho nighthawk is 265mil, bla bla bla lets make it laim again, anyways this are my thoughts but actually u really suprised? dont be, if somethin is just bout to fit into its place in eve expect ull not live long enough to see it become real, yeah t2 droping in price supoused to mean fine equip to fit with "only combat outcome to varrie not cost for combatiers",but! well u can end this sentence im sure...
cheers :P
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NeellixTheTrader
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Posted - 2007.05.14 20:14:00 -
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btw i dont have to tell u its bout hardcore pvp fun overall that matters, do i?, meaning tech costy enough to give some effort to afford it but it still to be in reasonble lvl to fit ship in matter of one day again and return to battle field ASAP, interact, blast away, get blasted, return and show some teeth solder :)
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Rensalot
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.05.14 20:42:00 -
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...What did you just say?  |
Erfnam
Time Cube Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.05.14 20:54:00 -
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 Originally by: Rensalot
...What did you just say?
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Motivated Prophet
Zerodot Schools
Power Corrupts Industry's
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Posted - 2007.05.14 23:48:00 -
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Originally by: NeellixTheTrader
...yeah t2 droping in price supoused to mean fine equip to fit with "only combat outcome to varrie not cost for combatiers",but! well u can end this sentence im sure...
Erm, no. I sure can't.
In response to the OP: Vultures are way up, too. 55m -> 120m.
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Rensalot
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.05.15 01:17:00 -
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Originally by: Motivated Prophet
In response to the OP: Vultures are way up, too. 55m -> 120m.
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I see them at ~90m now; these price increases are strange to me. Maybe something to do with the battlecruiser shield recharge nerf? |
Shadarle
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Posted - 2007.05.15 01:48:00 -
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"Maybe something to do with the battlecruiser shield recharge nerf?"
What nerf? Is there a nerf coming to BC's? I hadn't heard about that.
But to me this price jump smells more of price manipulation than it does of anything else. Demand for them can't possibly be raising quicker than supply with all the new T2 BPO's out there. This just doesn't make much sense why the prices are going up.
Oh and... I have to concur, I have no clue what that guy was saying above.
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Roemy Schneider
BINFORD
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Posted - 2007.05.15 01:54:00 -
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hummm rapier (minnie recon w/ covert) went from 60 to 100... =(
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Algorithm 5
Caldari
Hakata Group
Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.15 03:38:00 -
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With invention, tech 2 prices for the most highly-invented items are now tied directly to the price of data cores and decryptors.
Have the various data core and decryptor prices been moving?
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2007.05.15 04:19:00 -
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Well, command ships haven't really been heavily invented... so their price isn't tied to the datacore market at all. If the price keeps going up they will start getting invented tho.
I think the main reason their price is going up is a lack of producers. Most people don't have the skills for the new T2 BPO's that got released... or they are researching the ME/PE of their command ship BPO's. Once that is done then the market will start getting a lot more supply.
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Foxy Cleopatra
Caldari
Carnivore Ince
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Posted - 2007.05.15 05:58:00 -
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Old skool market manipulation, but I really doubt it will stick this time.
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Ray McCormack
BIG
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Posted - 2007.05.15 07:45:00 -
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Originally by: Shadarle
or they are researching the ME/PE of their command ship BPO's.
That's what we've done, and I know a few others that have followed this route too. If you look at the available quantity of ships it's well down compared to something like HACs. So I'm going with this one.
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Akita T
Caldari
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2007.05.15 14:03:00 -
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On SiSi, Drake (and all other Tech1 BCs) has a base shield recharge rate of 1400 seconds (up 12% from current).
The Nighthawk however (and all other Tech2 BCs) still has a 1250 seconds base recharge rate.
So yeah, right now, all Tech 1 BCs that try to passive shield-tank get a -10.7% recharge rate on SiSi.
And people probably bet that Tech 2 BCs won't get their recharge time changed like their Tech 1 counterparts (which is, to put it mildly, naive).
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Rensalot
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.05.15 20:16:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
And people probably bet that Tech 2 BCs won't get their recharge time changed like their Tech 1 counterparts (which is, to put it mildly, naive).
Well in the face of the new BCs, Command Ships really shouldn't be nerfed, but my opinion on that matter should be saved for another thread.
Btw, thanks for all of the helpful insight so far! |
Nyphur
Pillowsoft
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Posted - 2007.05.15 23:24:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
On SiSi, Drake (and all other Tech1 BCs) has a base shield recharge rate of 1400 seconds (up 12% from current).
The Nighthawk however (and all other Tech2 BCs) still has a 1250 seconds base recharge rate.
So yeah, right now, all Tech 1 BCs that try to passive shield-tank get a -10.7% recharge rate on SiSi.
And people probably bet that Tech 2 BCs won't get their recharge time changed like their Tech 1 counterparts (which is, to put it mildly, naive).
Tech 2 ship classes are balanced individually rather than having their stats adjusted based on adjustments to the tech 1 base. For example, the thorax has been changed a few times and the changes have not followed through to the deimos.
That is to say, just because the tech 1 variants are unbalanced compared to other tech 1 ships does not make their tech 2 variants unbalanced inherently.
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Elisa Day
Survey Division
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.05.16 07:05:00 -
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Edited by: Elisa Day on 16/05/2007 07:02:47
EDIT: I can't read, apologies :).
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swoj
The New Order.
United Connection's
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Posted - 2007.05.16 11:54:00 -
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Originally by: Shadarle
Well, command ships haven't really been heavily invented... so their price isn't tied to the datacore market at all. If the price keeps going up they will start getting invented tho.
An alternative view would be that BPO owners have established what the actual cost of inventing Nighthawks is and prices have been increased since they know that inventors can't touch them. So their prices are (or could be), in a way, tied to datacores.
speculation of course!
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Andrue
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.05.20 20:27:00 -
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Meh. I spent most of April playing the market with Nighthawks. Buy at 160, sell at 200. Made quite a nice profit that way. I can't be bothered with all that now that I can fly them but it was fun. Always used to make me laugh when the producers dumped their wares on the market below 170 but I guess they were happy 
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Ogul
Caldari
ZiTek Deepspace Explorations
Prime Orbital Systems
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Posted - 2007.05.21 11:27:00 -
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Originally by: Roemy Schneider
hummm rapier (minnie recon w/ covert) went from 60 to 100... =(
That is because the Covert Ops Cloak dropped from around 80M to a little more than 20M, so a fully fitted Force Recon actually became cheaper.
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Roemy Schneider
BINFORD
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Posted - 2007.05.21 14:38:00 -
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if it had been a slow incline, i'd support that interpretation, but this was a recent jump and it seems it's here to stay
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William Alex
Caldari
Viscosity
Dark Synergy
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Posted - 2007.05.21 15:53:00 -
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When the prices were set at 150m/nighthawk I did a cost benifit analysis of inventing and it just barely wasn't profitable. However if prices ever were to rise above 150 it would become profitable.
Thanks for filling us in on this latest increase. Since the prices of datacores has recently dropped by as much as 1/2 the invention costs make prices even below 150 profitable which only makes invention here a good choice.
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Rensalot
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.05.22 02:08:00 -
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Originally by: William Alex
When the prices were set at 150m/nighthawk I did a cost benifit analysis of inventing and it just barely wasn't profitable. However if prices ever were to rise above 150 it would become profitable.
Thanks for filling us in on this latest increase. Since the prices of datacores has recently dropped by as much as 1/2 the invention costs make prices even below 150 profitable which only makes invention here a good choice.
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Starbuckzk
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
DeStInY.
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Posted - 2007.05.23 11:53:00 -
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Originally by: William Alex
When the prices were set at 150m/nighthawk I did a cost benifit analysis of inventing and it just barely wasn't profitable. However if prices ever were to rise above 150 it would become profitable.
Thanks for filling us in on this latest increase. Since the prices of datacores has recently dropped by as much as 1/2 the invention costs make prices even below 150 profitable which only makes invention here a good choice.
I've been watching this too, the skills required for manufacturing are the highest for Command Ships and they require the biggest investment, so may be the last thing people look to invent.
As I understand it you have the chance of inventing a Vulture and Nighthawk, as they are both based on the ferox. As Vultures are less valueable this would make Nighthawks more costly to compensate. (This is of course due to demand for the two ships)
Over 200m for a nighthawk seems high to me from my invention estimates of this ship, however this estimates are yet to be proven.
What would be a fair profit margin for TII ships? 100%/200%? Ultimately You would sell for what people are willing to pay, however unless you can make a decent profit the amount of effort involved to invent and produce TII makes it not worthwhile.
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Akita T
Caldari
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2007.06.03 22:14:00 -
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Originally by: Nyphur
Originally by: Akita T
On SiSi, Drake (and all other Tech1 BCs) has a base shield recharge rate of 1400 seconds (up 12% from current).
The Nighthawk however (and all other Tech2 BCs) still has a 1250 seconds base recharge rate.
So yeah, right now, all Tech 1 BCs that try to passive shield-tank get a -10.7% recharge rate on SiSi.
And people probably bet that Tech 2 BCs won't get their recharge time changed like their Tech 1 counterparts (which is, to put it mildly, naive).
Tech 2 ship classes are balanced individually rather than having their stats adjusted based on adjustments to the tech 1 base. For example, the thorax has been changed a few times and the changes have not followed through to the deimos.
That is to say, just because the tech 1 variants are unbalanced compared to other tech 1 ships does not make their tech 2 variants unbalanced inherently.
So, you were saying... ?
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Martosh Toma
Gallente
Fraction Investment
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Posted - 2007.06.04 00:52:00 -
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I think it is most likely a reaction to the current eanm nerv on sisi. with armortanking made harder people swap to shield tanking.
In addition slowly the number of people being able to fly those ships is increasing.
Invention will curb the eccesses I hope
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Akita T
Caldari
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2007.06.05 02:13:00 -
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This "price explosion" has been going on long before any EANM changes, it started shortly after all BCs got a 1250-to-1400 sec shield recharge time, while T2 BCs didn't. Now, T2 BCs also got it on SiSi.
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SoldierOfFortune
Caldari
Sheepish R and D
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Posted - 2007.06.13 11:50:00 -
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Cmd Ship prices have been low recently, there leveling off a little, also T2 Component prices are up
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