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Maggot
Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.05.14 23:46:00 -
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This evening members of the Sylph alliance joined forces with CVA invaders in 9UY4-H in a successful defence of two slaver installations.
You have now crossed a line in the sand.
Today you have become the lowest form of scum, collaborators.
Maggot.
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Tharrn
Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards Vigilia Valeria
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Posted - 2007.05.14 23:48:00 -
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Edited by: Tharrn on 14/05/2007 23:52:15 Maybe it has got to do with the fact that about 20 of your people camped the Sylph Outpost last night...
Edit: took out the exaggeration I added at the end as I realized it would just come across wrong and act as a flamebait.
Ceterum censeo 'Concordia' esse delendam.
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Avious Tylepthine
Minmatar Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.05.15 00:01:00 -
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Up until this point Sylph claims to be operating against us separate of CVA. This just shows that this is no longer true...if it ever was.
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Kallanagh Tellen
Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards Vigilia Valeria
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Posted - 2007.05.15 00:15:00 -
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Originally by: Maggot This evening members of the Sylph alliance joined forces with CVA invaders in 9UY4-H in a successful defence of two slaver installations.
You have now crossed a line in the sand.
Today you have become the lowest form of scum, collaborators.
Maggot.
Mhmm, shooting at them does have that effect on people. Nevermind, I'm sure the 'fight for freedom' will sway them to once again look upon the bountiful efforts of the Ushra'Khan with joy.
Actually, considering the present company of pirates and all manner of scum I think that might be slightly unlikely. Nevermind.
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Lowanaera
Amarr Paladin Imperium Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.15 00:20:00 -
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Funny, they weren't in our gang, weren't taking orders from us, and in fact were making it harder for us to keep Fleshdiver from playing his usual dock/undock games. Seems pretty much like they're just tired of you and the pirates you have allowed to harass them for too long, and are actively trying to hasten your demise, whether we ask for them to be there or include them in our operations or not.
You have angered those who were happily your neighbors, and they finally see you now for what you truly are: terrorists, blasphemers, and short-sighted fools that seek only power in the name of an ideal of "freedom" they little understand. Those who have had their clouded minds cleared by His enlightenment are usually quick to turn to the work of destroying those who will not serve Him.
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Garreck
Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.15 00:20:00 -
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Originally by: Avious Tylepthine Up until this point Sylph claims to be operating against us separate of CVA. This just shows that this is no longer true...if it ever was.
I imagine that up until this point Ushra'Khan have also not run offensive operations into Sylph space.
Once again, the actions of Ushra'Khan drive the sympathies of an organization towards the CVA. Once again, Ushra'Khan complain when it happens.
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Avious Tylepthine
Minmatar Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.05.15 00:35:00 -
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They were also in your POSes today too
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Tomahawk Bliss
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.05.15 00:47:00 -
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Edited by: Tomahawk Bliss on 15/05/2007 00:47:21
Originally by: Maggot This evening members of the Sylph alliance joined forces with CVA invaders in 9UY4-H in a successful defence of two slaver installations.
You have now crossed a line in the sand.
Today you have become the lowest form of scum, collaborators.
Maggot.
coming from a group that has sold them selves to pirates to save their last station which presently is more important than the cause...thats a bit hard to swallow.
maybe, just maybe, Sylph don't want to stand by when alliances that will let pirates roam free just for the dubious safety of not being shot at? at least not for the moment.
then again maybe it has something to do with Ushra'khan attacking them. kinda like when Ushra'Khan attacked NOS...
either way you have a long, long, long (long) way to clime from your gutter before you can call anyone "lowest form of scum"
go back to your placating the pirates that are just barely keeping what once was the Ushra'Khan alive, maggot.
Gogo Yubari> You can't destroy your enemy with the power of thought alone like many forum-warriors seem to think. GLBTA Channel |
hal 5000
Acme Technologies Incorporated Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.05.15 07:09:00 -
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Quote: go back to your placating the pirates that are just barely keeping what once was the Ushra'Khan alive, maggot.
Wow, and you dare call yourself a Minmatar! Coward.
We stand and fight against all forms of slavery and that includes supporters. The universe would be kidding itself if it believed UK was making the area worse for haulers, traders, miners and all other free pilots. The fact is were one of a mere few who are holding this area for free pilots everywhere. We have seen your idea of freedom and what is ôacceptableö in your society. We will not let you forge into our space looking for new slaves (A clear sign more of us are being freed every day) and you scum setting up shop is not something we can allow to happen.
As far as your insult toward Maggot and UK, it is a simple fact that you will never know a better commander or fight a braver group of pilots, so show some respect. After all, we donÆt take slaves, or prisoners for that matter. -H5 and still alive.
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Occasus Vim
Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.05.15 07:46:00 -
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It comes down to this:
Respect for us and our fight brought the "pirates'" offers of help (which was initially just an offer of non-aggression which turned to help when things turned sour) to our doorstep. Respect for their skill, professionalism, and agreement to operate Not-Red-Don't-Shoot in our highest travelled access to Empire made us very willing and able to accept that help. A brotherhood in arms in our most important duty, while simultaneously making a bit more space safer than it was.
Anger with us for casting off the CONCORD badges around our sovereign territory is what has turned our former allies against us. The "pirates" were operating according to their own agendas in the region beforehand. We have always done what we could to police our area of Providence, but this allocation of resources was crippling our fight against slavery. By coming to an agreement with the skilled pilots of Einherjar Rising, enemies of Sylph, we were in no different waters than Sylph themselves, who had for many weeks prior already reached a similar agreement with CVA, enemies of Ushra'Khan. Yet somehow, our agreement was so much more abhorrent. Sylph and Hammer's Republic do not help us against CVA, we do not help them with Einherjar, and we do not shoot each other.
That was how it was until we were threatened. Unless our agreement with Einherjar was reversed, we were told our "allies" would side with our mortal enemies, and wipe us out. All Ushra'Khan hostility in these cases is simply an equal and opposite reaction to decisions made by former allies against us.
We have proven less weak than they had hoped. Now Sylph are given forcefield passwords to CVA Towers, and attack us in concert with them, while wailing on these channels about how their conflict with us is their own.
Weak. Drivel, from traiterous liars. Those with eyes to see know you for what you are.
AMMATAR!
Regardless of the outcome of this most recent twist in our conflict against the Golden Loyalist Fleets, everyone will be reminded once again of a long standing truth:
Minmatar do not soon forget the faces of traitors.
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Derius Khan
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Posted - 2007.05.15 12:08:00 -
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LMAO@UK Either your totally stupid or perhaps you think people reading this are. You and your BUM chums pushed Sylph into this and then start crying about it. I wish Sylph and all the other like minded corps and alliances involved all the best in their fight against piracy and look forward to the day when stability is restored to the region.
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Toothpick Vic
Caldari Alternate chars Direct corporation
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Posted - 2007.05.15 13:05:00 -
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Originally by: hal 5000
Wow, and you dare call yourself a Minmatar! Coward.
So any minmatar that is not RP'ing, or actively fighting slavery is a coward? Great way to win more people for your cause!
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We stand and fight against all forms of slavery and that includes supporters. The universe would be kidding itself if it believed UK was making the area worse for haulers, traders, miners and all other free pilots. The fact is were one of a mere few who are holding this area for free pilots everywhere. We have seen your idea of freedom and what is ôacceptableö in your society. We will not let you forge into our space looking for new slaves (A clear sign more of us are being freed every day) and you scum setting up shop is not something we can allow to happen.
How can the area be for free pilots if you keep known pirates close to you? A 'free' pilot can't even get into 0.0 without considerable danger... --- Vic
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Eddie Gordo
Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.05.15 13:05:00 -
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Originally by: Derius Khan LMAO@UK Either your totally stupid or perhaps you think people reading this are. You and your BUM chums pushed Sylph into this and then start crying about it. I wish Sylph and all the other like minded corps and alliances involved all the best in their fight against piracy and look forward to the day when stability is restored to the region.
Crying?
We are hungry.
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Occasus Vim
Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.05.15 13:26:00 -
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Edited by: Occasus Vim on 15/05/2007 13:24:33
Originally by: Toothpick Vic
How can the area be for free pilots if you keep known pirates close to you? A 'free' pilot can't even get into 0.0 without considerable danger... --- Vic
Our relationship with these fine pilots included measures to secure a highly traveled route from Unity Station to Empire space. Please do not be under the assumption that we have given neutrals zero consideration in these proceedings, because it is not true. As for the rest of the area, we are not CONCORD, and if you cannot stand on your own or commit 100% to helping your neighbours, it is foolish to expect 100% protection in return. If you must pick your battles, then so must we. If that displeases you enough to pick a battle with us, know we can only respond in kind.
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Aodha Khan
Minmatar The Paratwa Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.05.15 13:28:00 -
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Good hunting, Ushra'Khan.
May these maggots feel the wrath of your cause.
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Toothpick Vic
Caldari Alternate chars Direct corporation
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Posted - 2007.05.15 13:42:00 -
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Originally by: Occasus Vim Edited by: Occasus Vim on 15/05/2007 13:24:33
Originally by: Toothpick Vic
How can the area be for free pilots if you keep known pirates close to you? A 'free' pilot can't even get into 0.0 without considerable danger... --- Vic
Our relationship with these fine pilots included measures to secure a highly traveled route from Unity Station to Empire space. Please do not be under the assumption that we have given neutrals zero consideration in these proceedings, because it is not true. As for the rest of the area, we are not CONCORD, and if you cannot stand on your own or commit 100% to helping your neighbours, it is foolish to expect 100% protection in return. If you must pick your battles, then so must we. If that displeases you enough to pick a battle with us, know we can only respond in kind.
No, you are not concord. And I'm very willing believe you have a secure route. But most people don't go to 0.0 just to sit in another station, no matter how many exotic dance clubs it has (yes, i've seen the pictures :p). FYI, I can stand on my own (been doing it for quite some time), and I don't pick battles. I just can't wrap my head around saying you keep your space for free pilots, and then not being alowed to travel outside your protected route without being chased off. This has nothing to do with expecting protection, not at all.
oh and btw: if you would be my neighbours, I'm sure I'd try to help you. I don't like the amarr scum any more then you do. I'm just questioning the way you treat people and neutral pilots in your space. --- Vic
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Solusar
Amarr Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.15 14:13:00 -
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Edited by: Solusar on 15/05/2007 14:12:12
Originally by: Maggot This evening members of the Sylph alliance joined forces with CVA invaders in 9UY4-H in a successful defence of two slaver installations.
You have now crossed a line in the sand.
Today you have become the lowest form of scum, collaborators.
Maggot.
Im sure your new allies ev0ke deciding to doomsday a fleet of Sylph ships had nothing to do with this. No wait....
Im sure BUM flying around sylph space attacking them daily had nothing to do with this. No wait....
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Tomahawk Bliss
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.05.15 14:35:00 -
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Originally by: Aodha Khan Good hunting, Ushra'Khan.
May these maggots feel the wrath of your cause.
I guess being lead by a maggot is better than some of your previous leadership's interesting handles eh?
Gogo Yubari> You can't destroy your enemy with the power of thought alone like many forum-warriors seem to think. GLBTA Channel |
Sapphrine
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.05.15 15:05:00 -
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Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss
Originally by: Aodha Khan Good hunting, Ushra'Khan.
May these maggots feel the wrath of your cause.
I guess being lead by a maggot is better than some of your previous leadership's interesting handles eh?
Insightful, meaningful comment by a bitter race traitor...
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Tomahawk Bliss
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.05.15 15:31:00 -
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Originally by: Sapphrine
Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss
Originally by: Aodha Khan Good hunting, Ushra'Khan.
May these maggots feel the wrath of your cause.
I guess being lead by a maggot is better than some of your previous leadership's interesting handles eh?
Insightful, meaningful comment by a bitter race traitor...
*imagines a scene from a book involving dwarves, a hobbit and some large stone objects in a clearing....*
I take it you weren't around in the era of the mighty Ushra'Khan leader who inspire numerous planet bound matari to relocate in support of that once great but now sold off alliance?
ah Ushra'khan, you aren't teaching your nubs their history lessons!
Gogo Yubari> You can't destroy your enemy with the power of thought alone like many forum-warriors seem to think. GLBTA Channel |
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Mah Kraah
Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.05.15 15:49:00 -
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id like to remind the audiance that it was sylp setting us red while we still respected there neutrality. they decided to be neutral in our conflict and setted us red the moment we stayed neutral in there conflicts. sylp explained the red standings with uk shooting a ally of them, one who stole sovereignity from uk and refused to give it back and intentionaly provoked a conflict by doing so. it was a disput over one system, not compareable with a war. sylp decided to take the oportunity to escalate our neutral relations to a hostile one. as for maggots anouncement, it was done in the light of the fact that, till yesterday, sylp still stated on daily base that they are no combatant in the struggle over 9u. sylp thought that uk would be removed from providence within a week or two after cva started the assault on UNITY, they where in a big hurry to try to get alligned with the suspected winner. what ever gets down on sylp from UK side is a direct response on sylps actions
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Kabajashi San
Minmatar Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.05.15 16:05:00 -
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I have had much respect for Sylph and their situation. They always stated that they would remain neutral in this conflict until an official position was to be taken. It is a shame that they don't stand by their word. Entering the conflict without any word just by adding their ships to the slaver's fleet is not the way a honourable warrior should act.
Either way the decision has obviously been taken. So be it. On the battlefield your stand needs no further explaination.
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Derius Khan
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Posted - 2007.05.15 16:13:00 -
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After a bit of background checking I came across a very illuminating thread on Sylphs public forum. If anyone is interested you can read the full story at http://www.sylph-alliance.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1670. The thread contains all the relevant details from both UK and Sylph leadership without too much flaming and chest beating (at least not in the first couple of pages) It also contains an admission that UK set sylph to red first. Taken in this context its easy to see how Sylph have been pushed into the current situation by UK and friends and exposes a hiden agena. Perhaps this agenda is to make room for UK's new friends to lay down roots? All I know for certain is that UK have sold out thier honour and beliefs.
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Sapphrine
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.05.15 16:40:00 -
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Originally by: Derius Khan After a bit of background checking I came across a very illuminating thread on Sylphs public forum. If anyone is interested you can read the full story at http://www.sylph-alliance.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1670. The thread contains all the relevant details from both UK and Sylph leadership without too much flaming and chest beating (at least not in the first couple of pages) It also contains an admission that UK set sylph to red first. Taken in this context its easy to see how Sylph have been pushed into the current situation by UK and friends and exposes a hiden agena. Perhaps this agenda is to make room for UK's new friends to lay down roots? All I know for certain is that UK have sold out thier honour and beliefs.
With respect, bull. As the U'K representative in the conversation speaking with Ktor and Mortim, Sylph clearly stated: 1. U'K were neutral to start with from that point 2. If U'K engaged Slammers they would set us red
It was then clearly stated that U'K had set Slammers red for the theft of a system from U'K.
Sylph were asked to state their position and it responded by stating that they already had stated their position.
As a result of Sylph's policy dictating that U'K were red, U'K matched their red.
Given you are linking a thread only viewable by those registered on the Sylph board I can only assume that you have involvement in these events but forget to state your allegiance in your tag.
Sylph's bed is now well and truly made and they have done what they consistently claimed they wouldn't do. they have dropped their neutrality in favour of survival. I stil await an official statement of intent mind but their pilots are making a fairly clear statement hiding inside CVA shields and involving themselves in offensive operations in conjunction with our mortal enemy.
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Kade Jeekin
Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.05.15 16:44:00 -
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Edited by: Kade Jeekin on 15/05/2007 16:42:59 Who are you Derius Khan. State your allegiance before questioning mine. I know Tomahawk Bliss, though he also tries to hide, as a dishonored Amarran sympathiser. Who are you? --------------------------------------- Outface the depths of evil with clarity --------------------------------------- |
Tomahawk Bliss
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.05.15 17:40:00 -
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Originally by: Kade Jeekin Edited by: Kade Jeekin on 15/05/2007 16:42:59 Who are you Derius Khan. State your allegiance before questioning mine. I know Tomahawk Bliss, though he also tries to hide, as a dishonored Amarran sympathiser. Who are you?
hide my views do I?
I don't know, I've been called a lot of thing, but to suggest I am not open about my views on the trash pile of a republic...well that is just ignorant.
When you speak of honor with pirates standing beside you, I can't help but laugh. the Ushra'khan sold its honor to try and save its last outpost. but it was enlightening to learn how much your honor was worth.
Gogo Yubari> You can't destroy your enemy with the power of thought alone like many forum-warriors seem to think. GLBTA Channel |
Toothpick Vic
Caldari Alternate chars Direct corporation
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Posted - 2007.05.15 17:50:00 -
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Strange. Every Ushra'Khan here keeps on saying sylph is helping cva. The one representative of CVA says they even prohibited them from operating correctly.
Something's obviously not right here...
I'm looking forward to what sylph has to say about this...
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Spoon Thumb
Khanid Aerospace Group Khanid Provincial Authority
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Posted - 2007.05.15 17:54:00 -
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Edited by: Spoon Thumb on 15/05/2007 17:53:54
Originally by: Toothpick Vic
Originally by: Occasus Vim Edited by: Occasus Vim on 15/05/2007 13:24:33
Originally by: Toothpick Vic
How can the area be for free pilots if you keep known pirates close to you? A 'free' pilot can't even get into 0.0 without considerable danger... --- Vic
Our relationship with these fine pilots included measures to secure a highly traveled route from Unity Station to Empire space. Please do not be under the assumption that we have given neutrals zero consideration in these proceedings, because it is not true. As for the rest of the area, we are not CONCORD, and if you cannot stand on your own or commit 100% to helping your neighbours, it is foolish to expect 100% protection in return. If you must pick your battles, then so must we. If that displeases you enough to pick a battle with us, know we can only respond in kind.
No, you are not concord. And I'm very willing believe you have a secure route. But most people don't go to 0.0 just to sit in another station, no matter how many exotic dance clubs it has (yes, i've seen the pictures :p). FYI, I can stand on my own (been doing it for quite some time), and I don't pick battles. I just can't wrap my head around saying you keep your space for free pilots, and then not being alowed to travel outside your protected route without being chased off. This has nothing to do with expecting protection, not at all.
oh and btw: if you would be my neighbours, I'm sure I'd try to help you. I don't like the amarr scum any more then you do. I'm just questioning the way you treat people and neutral pilots in your space. --- Vic
I concur with this man (vic)(aside form the Amarr scum bit), but would go one step further in suggesting that you encourage groups like Einjard Rising (or however you spell it) to pirate along certain routes so as to actively close down the region to anyone who might possibly be hostile whether they werre or weren't.
And it works, don't get me wrong, just don't deny it
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Lord Artemis
Filthy Wyrm Chaos Incarnate.
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Posted - 2007.05.15 19:17:00 -
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The Ushra'Khan have maintained their integrity from my stand point as well as others. My alliance mates and I operate with respect to UK's wishes while we are in their space.
Say what you want about UK's allies, it falls on deaf ears by the way, but they are in charge and hold those in their sovereign space to the same rules as they do. Their honor and cause are far above any other priority or action. _____________________________ Public Health Advisory - Say NO to OOC! |
Derran
Minmatar Khumatari Holdings Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.05.15 19:31:00 -
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Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss
I don't know, I've been called a lot of thing, but to suggest I am not open about my views on the trash pile of a republic...well that is just ignorant.
When you speak of honor with pirates standing beside you, I can't help but laugh. the Ushra'khan sold its honor to try and save its last outpost. but it was enlightening to learn how much your honor was worth.
Before you even speak of honour, you should have some. You are worse than trash. You should speak with some semblance of knowledge of the current situation before you judge others you pathetic excuse for a minmatar.
As for honour, I'd like to know where Slyph was when so many enemies were surrounding our borders. As we tried to maintain some semblance of order along the 3 seperate entrances from Empire to 9UY, where were they? Their involvement in the beginning stages of the first real invasion into 9UY was appreciated but like it has been said, what have you done for me lately? I believe that old debts of honour were settled long ago by the efforts made to keep those hositile forces away from 9UY while Slyph settled further ahead of them. Don't speak of them as if they are standing on some moral high ground. I have saved Unity station from more dangers that no one knows about that I can count and two of them involved Slyph attempting to ally with others from the behind the scenes. Yes, I know about those but my word prevents me from shedding light upon it.
As for flying with pirates, they have far more fighting spirit than any of those you refer to as our former allies ever did, including when said 'allies' wanted to fight against them but never did. I may not agree with their politics or views, and I may not have agreed with the decision made by council to work with them (but then I have hardly ever agreed with them on anything), but I cannot argue with their effectiveness.
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