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sakana North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.05.16 19:48:00 - [61] The way I see it, every major alliance has it's share of farmers, xelas is just unique in its choice to welcome them, and thats their decision to make. I do think it highlights another problem though (yup here comes the whine guys, get ready!!!!). 0.0 is not meant to be safe, nor is it meant to be easy to hold, you should have to earn it. Which is why I see logging/cloaking isk farming ravens as a problem. They are almost 100% safe as they log the second you enter local, unless their not currently targetted by a rat in which case they cloak. This is apparntely lawless, dangerous space, where you have to fight for your right to reap it's benefits, but there is no risk for these guys, it doesnt make sense. These guys apparently fund Xelas, yet there is no way of combatting them. Make shooting a rat give you 14min aggro. Dont allow cloaks to be used in this way (warm up period so people can still go afkers or something?). ------------
Pilk Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.05.16 20:07:00 - [62] Originally by: sakana The way I see it, every major alliance has it's share of farmers, xelas is just unique in its choice to welcome them, and thats their decision to make. I do think it highlights another problem though (yup here comes the whine guys, get ready!!!!). 0.0 is not meant to be safe, nor is it meant to be easy to hold, you should have to earn it. Which is why I see logging/cloaking isk farming ravens as a problem. They are almost 100% safe as they log the second you enter local, unless their not currently targetted by a rat in which case they cloak. This is apparntely lawless, dangerous space, where you have to fight for your right to reap it's benefits, but there is no risk for these guys, it doesnt make sense. These guys apparently fund Xelas, yet there is no way of combatting them. Make shooting a rat give you 14min aggro. Dont allow cloaks to be used in this way (warm up period so people can still go afkers or something?). Not sure if I agree with your exact list of proposed solutions, but I concur with the general point that the stabbing, cloaking, logoffski Raven ratting in 0.0 is a problem. --P
band0fdevs Gallente Band of Dev's	Posted - 2007.05.16 20:10:00 - [63] this is what happens when they are petitioned as farmers and CCP ignores it obvoisly they are cleared then so good on xelas for incorparating and making use of the ratters
Fuglife Aliastra	Posted - 2007.05.16 20:21:00 - [64] Was your ap rejected again Dbp? you seem terribly bitter. I know Welsh Wizard! 3rd Best pvper in Eve
DeathGrip Amarr Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.05.16 21:09:00 - [65] Originally by: sakana The way I see it, every major alliance has it's share of farmers, xelas is just unique in its choice to welcome them, and thats their decision to make. I do think it highlights another problem though (yup here comes the whine guys, get ready!!!!). 0.0 is not meant to be safe, nor is it meant to be easy to hold, you should have to earn it. Which is why I see logging/cloaking isk farming ravens as a problem. They are almost 100% safe as they log the second you enter local, unless their not currently targetted by a rat in which case they cloak. This is apparntely lawless, dangerous space, where you have to fight for your right to reap it's benefits, but there is no risk for these guys, it doesnt make sense. These guys apparently fund Xelas, yet there is no way of combatting them. Make shooting a rat give you 14min aggro. Dont allow cloaks to be used in this way (warm up period so people can still go afkers or something?). I agree some here. I think CCP should do somthing about cloaks fitting on every ships in Eve now. Its just stupid IMO. I think in 0.0 there should be some accountability, I feel the sov holders should get some sort of bonus's to find enemy's in there system, while I also feel that you should not be able to just log if hostiles show up in local. Now that being said not sure a 14min agro timer would work either.
R0ot InNova Tech Inc Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.16 21:16:00 - [66] Originally by: Avon I'm starting to think that the OP is actually a Xelas disinformation agent, rather than a spy. Damnit hes on to us, to the petition mobile! ------------------------------------------------------------------ Sig removed. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] with a link to your signature. - Elmo Pug
Neveren Caldari Setenta Corp Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.16 21:21:00 - [67] Hurry! get on the Mobile root! Its where the cool kids hang out STC recruiting!
UGWidowmaker Caldari Setenta Corp Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.16 21:22:00 - [68] faceless. you as always make me laugh! what is wrong in npc ? we need more hard working people like the good ratters with snigerdly hanging around.. :) GF snigs!!! u sure as hell bring it!!! if we suck at pvp then why come fight us all the time ???
UGWidowmaker Caldari Setenta Corp Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.16 21:26:00 - [69] i did forget to say thx to he faceless fuc... for yet again bringing xelas on the frontpage in this thread.. so thx.. if we suck at pvp then why come fight us all the time ???
Major Stormer Caldari Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.05.16 21:27:00 - [70] Quote: if we suck at pvp then why come fight us all the time ??? Easy kills. A few of your alliance are decent (normal, proxey, couple of others) they bring it. the rest would be mindless cannon fodder. Always has been.
nickycakes Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.16 21:46:00 - [71] maybe i'm missing something big here, but are you seriously flaming an alliance for carebearing to fund pvp?
UGWidowmaker Caldari Setenta Corp Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.16 21:49:00 - [72] Edited by: UGWidowmaker on 16/05/2007 21:50:26 Edited by: UGWidowmaker on 16/05/2007 21:48:39 Originally by: Major Stormer Quote: if we suck at pvp then why come fight us all the time ??? Easy kills. A few of your alliance are decent (normal, proxey, couple of others) they bring it. the rest would be mindless cannon fodder. Always has been. lol... if we suck at pvp then why come fight us all the time ???
Imoshen Solomani InNova Tech Inc Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.16 22:39:00 - [73] I try to avoid these forums like the plague. I'll be rambling a bit its early in the morning. Our best PR to date has generally been other people putting there feet in their mouth and us just keeping quiet. The only posts worth doing are just some reports of events that can't be disputed. Though they always attract a lot of commentary like this one. I'm not going to dispute the original post. Since he obviously has access to our forums. But a lot of commentary that I see on the forums is so far from the mark from whats on the ground in eve its a good joke on a slow day, and even funnier when someone has a clue and is told he is wrong by everyone else. Of course both of these types of posts are hard to tell apart. So i'm usually against reading these forums let alone posting on forums, but i'm bored this morning, it my first post in four years here I think, and its the first faceless post that i've bothered reading. I'd like to thank faceless pokemon. Because of you were pulling a little together more than normal. Were becoming a little more security aware. I think we have always had a spy problem. I'd like to thank morhus mihi for their invasion of fountain. While that was going on a lot of other smaller problems weren't raised cause they weren't important. Same goes for all the other major invasions into fountain we work together a bit more while your around. I'd like to thank the people war deccing us for getting our empire side operations sorted out... they either died or learnt how to organise and do things properly so there not dying to much now. I'd especially like to thank privateers about that. I'd like to thank the people attacking us in fountain or running gank squads around.. Most of the people your killing aren't paying attention to either local or intel reports. They will end up learning or leaving or dying a lot. In the end no hostiles running around is bad. Your people start paying less attention and get even sloppier in pvp. Farmers that get killed they usually have the isk to buy replacement ships usually from the rest of us. And we have had a lot of fun eradicating a lot of farmers. But the farmers learn to, i'm guessing pandemic legion are obviously running into the same problem we did with people farming in 0.0. The dumb ones get blown up and leave. The smart ones learn a whole heap of things that make it almost impossible to even find them in system let alone kill them. They learn to not take a single chance. As soon as someone is in system they hide. The only way i can think of getting them to leave is camp them 23/7. I can't think of a more boring thing to do. Fountain: Not an easy place to live in for the last 2 years. You either learn to survive or end up leaving. Some corps just can't handle the pressure or just aren't quite ready, their pilots don't have the resources/organisation/skills needed to survive, let alone thrive. Those corps have a tendancy to take a lot of losses as they get established. Some expect to freeload and find out its not that simple amd end up leaving. On the plus side they usually end up leaving some of their better pvp people in our other corps. We have our ups and our downs. But BOB of kept their agreement for over two years since tenal region was our home. When all our allied north alliances turned on us. None of those north alliances at that time really exist anymore. Their corps still do, in other alliances. We have survived, thats enough. We are a long way ahead of where we started. I think were doing better because people are worrying about smaller problems. Means the bigger ones aren't there. Just my view I could be wrong... And I'll take the... credit?/bad rep?/rep? of being the biggest rat farmer... long term (2years +)... anyway...Every single one of us that buys things need to get our isk from somewhere... Some of us are just more hard working or have other things that get us what we want to have a fun game.
Krumpit	Posted - 2007.05.16 23:24:00 - [74] The word disingenuous springs readily to mind, in the sense of faux-naif; pretending to be unaware. The sheer volume and vehemence of the denials is enough to make anyone suspicious. Hate macros? Join channel macrointel - in game killboard http://macrointel.eve-kb.org/?a=igb
Kinsy Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.05.17 00:08:00 - [75] The last spy we had in Xelas left ages ago, if we still have one, the directorship doesn't know about it. dbp, you are THEE VERY LAST PERSON to talk to about spies in corps pal. Xelas are hilarious cannon fodder, the killboards show it and most of Eve knows it, including bob, get over yourselves. You just got real good at running away and taking orders from other alliance fc's
Raznarok Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.05.17 00:21:00 - [76] Originally by: DeathGrip I am coming out Be strong DG
Raznarok Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.05.17 00:24:00 - [77] * Hands out hugs to everyone in the thread * Better?
Nero Winger Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.17 00:28:00 - [78] ah finally i can post on the forums and tell this dude what i think about him.. and the majority of the comunity. . . . .. ... go back play Counter Strike, i think there you will find people of your age. even the coalition guys laugh at you.
Topaz Skydiver Minmatar Narrative Freshfood	Posted - 2007.05.17 00:38:00 - [79] Edited by: Topaz Skydiver on 17/05/2007 00:37:20 Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists personnaly i think its pretty smart, let the ratters create isk for your alliance while they themselves are happy and you dont have to chase logging stabbed ravens around with isnt fun. just another tenant prgramm on a smaller scale. gg xelas I'd call it smart, if those ratter really were normal players, who just want to make some isk for themselves or their corp to build something up. But most people doubt that most of those organized farmers, who rat all day long and do nothing else, make isk for that purpose. Most people think they make isk to sell it. Even the people who rent out their space to them think they sell the isk. But their opinion is that as long as CCP has no proof, everything is fine. They think, if they are farming to sell isk and CCP can do nothing against it, because they can't prove what's going on, why shouldn't we get our share from that stuff. It's not against the EULA. I don't like that thinking. You have many players hating farmers and trying to combat them, where they find them, but due to safespotting, wcs and cloaking, there are not much means. Then some alliance leadership decides to work together with them to profit. I don't like it. And yes, I'm quite sure that this thinking exists. It's showed in one of the replies on the BoB forum, this thinking exists certainly in RA and I know that a 10/10 complex in the south-east was rented out to some suspected farmers. I was there and kept my mouth shut. The reason it was rented to them out was: 'We don't want that our enemy runs the plex and finances his war with this stuff. We lack people, who can run the plex themselves regularily. Now we have those guys from corp xy, who were our enemies, but they are willing to run the plex as often as possible. We think they are farmers and ebayers, but they have been petitioned several times and all is fine. We get our share and the enemy can't run the plex. Yes, we know it's a bit shady, but this is war.' --------------------------------------------- snip
Vasili Z Beasts of Burden YouWhat	Posted - 2007.05.17 00:47:00 - [80] Originally by: Orange Species zzzzzzz Agreed. zzzzzz ---- Everything I say represents my corporation and their views.
Krumpit	Posted - 2007.05.17 01:03:00 - [81] Originally by: Topaz Skydiver I was there and kept my mouth shut. The reason it was rented to them out was: 'We don't want that our enemy runs the plex and finances his war with this stuff. We lack people, who can run the plex themselves regularily. Now we have those guys from corp xy, who were our enemies, but they are willing to run the plex as often as possible. We think they are farmers and ebayers, but they have been petitioned several times and all is fine. We get our share and the enemy can't run the plex. Yes, we know it's a bit shady, but this is war.' Must add, I really hated this decision, but sometimes you just accept some decisions, although you don't like them yourself, ebcause you think they stink. Terrible thing, a conscience. But it's what makes you human...
Algorithm 5 Caldari Hakata Group Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.17 02:57:00 - [82] Originally by: sakana The way I see it, every major alliance has it's share of farmers, xelas is just unique in its choice to welcome them, and thats their decision to make. I do think it highlights another problem though (yup here comes the whine guys, get ready!!!!). 0.0 is not meant to be safe, nor is it meant to be easy to hold, you should have to earn it. Which is why I see logging/cloaking isk farming ravens as a problem. They are almost 100% safe as they log the second you enter local, unless their not currently targetted by a rat in which case they cloak. This is apparntely lawless, dangerous space, where you have to fight for your right to reap it's benefits, but there is no risk for these guys, it doesnt make sense. These guys apparently fund Xelas, yet there is no way of combatting them. Make shooting a rat give you 14min aggro. Dont allow cloaks to be used in this way (warm up period so people can still go afkers or something?). I chuckle at the people posting about how hard it is to kill the Doomsday guys, because Xelas has ourself been suffering the same problems pretty much the entire time we've been out here, except instead of Doomsday, replace that with "various random corps of various random blue or red status". The Doomsday Experiment was created by Norman almost entire on the premise that there is currently no effective way to get rid of them, and they are just burning up vast amounts of peoples time and also constitute a security/intel risk. Personally I've always seen it as more a form of damage control. Since there's no way to stop them (as people will have noticed, they display an immense ability to lose ratting ships over and over again) then it's at least the next best solution to have them sending intel to us instead of someone else, and to be contributing taxes to us. And beyond that, we also have someone that is highly respected and that can push them around and try to make them contribute more. They do seem to be actually PVPing more, although really I won't be happy until I see a 25+ man Doomsday POS takedown crew. 25 skill-focused cloaking torp/cruise ravens grinding down unarmed small/medium POS. If you sent a gang to stop them, all of them just cloak up until you leave :) But to comment on your original point, if the "macroraven" (as I like to call that setup) didn't exist, then we might have managed to actually keep them out of our space, and this solution wouldn't have been necessary at all.
Righteous Fury Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.05.17 03:09:00 - [83] Originally by: Major Stormer Quote: if we suck at pvp then why come fight us all the time ??? Easy kills. A few of your alliance are decent (normal, proxey, couple of others) they bring it. the rest would be mindless cannon fodder. Always has been. So, wait a minute. Let me get this straight. As members of CELES, you touted yourselves to be one of the finest pvp outfits in the game. Yet, like all other of the other standard pvp corps you flamed for supposedly being nubs, you had to rely on "easy pickings" to pad your killboard stats and inflate your egos? Must sting a bit admitting you weren't really anything special. Guess that claim of going toe-to-toe with the best was really meaningless after all.
Celestal	Posted - 2007.05.17 04:04:00 - [84] Edited by: Celestal on 17/05/2007 04:02:06 oops caod , mustnt post
Dal Thrax Caldari Multiverse Corporation The Core Collective	Posted - 2007.05.17 04:45:00 - [85] Originally by: nickycakes maybe i'm missing something big here, but are you seriously flaming an alliance for carebearing to fund pvp? Actually you are. The allegation is that Xeles is letting ISK sellers farm under their name for a cut of the isks generated. The OP can't post this since ISD will remove any posts related to RL $$ in EvE. Dal Originally by: CCP Sharkbait we are screwed. delaying startup again. soon as i have time i will fill you in on the details
Anglo Minmatar Astral Mexicans	Posted - 2007.05.17 07:52:00 - [86] racism ?
Pesadel0 Ordem dos Templarios	Posted - 2007.05.17 08:44:00 - [87] Originally by: Righteous Fury Originally by: Major Stormer Quote: if we suck at pvp then why come fight us all the time ??? Easy kills. A few of your alliance are decent (normal, proxey, couple of others) they bring it. the rest would be mindless cannon fodder. Always has been. So, wait a minute. Let me get this straight. As members of CELES, you touted yourselves to be one of the finest pvp outfits in the game. Yet, like all other of the other standard pvp corps you flamed for supposedly being nubs, you had to rely on "easy pickings" to pad your killboard stats and inflate your egos? Must sting a bit admitting you weren't really anything special. Guess that claim of going toe-to-toe with the best was really meaningless after all. Lol this is priceless coming from a supposed merc alliance that declared war on a ten pirate corp and then lost a freighter unescorted,then backs down from the war.Get over yourself you will never be better then CELES. To the OP keep the dirt coming at least it is amusing . I was sworn to absolute secrecy BY CCP.
Asylum Seaker Celtic Anarchy Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.05.17 08:50:00 - [88] Faceless Pokemon threads make me lol a bit. The universe is hostile, so impersonal, devour to survive, so it is, so it's always been.
Yazoul Samaiel Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.17 08:57:00 - [89] Originally by: Major Stormer Originally by: Righteous Fury Originally by: Major Stormer Quote: if we suck at pvp then why come fight us all the time ??? Easy kills. A few of your alliance are decent (normal, proxey, couple of others) they bring it. the rest would be mindless cannon fodder. Always has been. So, wait a minute. Let me get this straight. As members of CELES, you touted yourselves to be one of the finest pvp outfits in the game. Yet, like all other of the other standard pvp corps you flamed for supposedly being nubs, you had to rely on "easy pickings" to pad your killboard stats and inflate your egos? Must sting a bit admitting you weren't really anything special. Guess that claim of going toe-to-toe with the best was really meaningless after all. Check out our stats against BOB, then you can continue whining about how your cloaked recon gangs only ever get caracal kills. Solo still claims fountain also i beleive
Gibmundur Amarr Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.05.17 10:26:00 - [90] What ever happened to that dark nebula gallente bob alt corp that was in xelas, whered they go? Your signature is inappropriate. Please read the forum rules before reposting- Tirg

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