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Faceless Pokemon THe X Spies	Posted - 2007.05.16 13:12:00 - [1] This is an update on the situation and a summary of the previous posts as last time i wasnt aware of certain aspects of my post that were in violation of the eula so here is a correct version.. A short while ago Norman protector, a well known PVP'r within xelas formed a corp with his alt and added to it all the heavy-ratters (my non-allegation making term) that he knew from around fountain. A few weeks go by and people within the alliance begin to question why they are being used and that the killboards are showing lots of lost ravens and demanding an answer from alliance leadership as to why they are doing this. It was then explained by another member of xelas that the Norman was given to go-ahead by alliance leadership to form and use the corp and to spread the heavy-ratters around certain areas so that they can be used for intel reporting and that they were generating in the region of 500m to 1billion per day.. with an agreement that a certain amount of the isk was to be given to the alliance to fund projects Many xelas at this point begin to revolt saying unless it changes they are leaving.. Another member then posts to clarify the position: "Norman runs Doomsday; they're being setup now to live out of TEG-SD and the constelation behind 87XQ/J-RQMF. From this POS they'll be fighting Blood Crossing etc for ratting rights ( ), and all the isk they make from ratting (25% tax) is amounting to 500m-1b isk per/day. That isk is being pooled up for outposts; so despite what you all might think, they look bad, but they're actually funding our future infustructure, and at the current rate of isk farming they're doing, we'll see another outpost every month. " And now... The head of xelas wades in with a ridiculous response that doesnt make any sense and is basically a bs answer to try and fob people off.. which only annoys alliance members more. People begin to ask how this will look to BOB and maybe the alliance should think of that more.. arguing continues and is finished off with xelas leadership stating that they will be continuing with the current strategy and that the matter is closed for discussion. In other news... Naverin requests that proxay stop posting on forums as he makes the alliance look like fools.. which is subsequently rejected and then they question his own contribution to the alliance (forgetting that STC singlehandedly just built the alliance an outpost) Also proxay not being able to tell when someone is bs'in believes that someone in MC contracted cruel intentions to take out his billion(s) isk BS... Big update coming in a few days.. and some nice xelas dirty laundry to put out Working together to kill Xelas from the inside
Orange Species Minmatar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.16 13:22:00 - [2] zzzzzzz
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.05.16 13:23:00 - [3] Hi, welcome to 5 months ago? Youre not a very good spy... ----- [Coreli Corporation Mainfrane]
DeathGrip Amarr Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.05.16 13:28:00 - [4] I once killed an NPC and my corp had the tax to 100 percent and they took that isk and bought dancers with it. This turned entire alliance into an uproar, but not about my isk, about who got first use out of the dancers. Since it was my isk I felt I should go first, but Steel Rat said no and used them all. I am coming out with this to destroy Axe from the inside.
Neveren Caldari Setenta Corp Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.16 13:30:00 - [5] Edited by: Neveren on 16/05/2007 13:31:49 Thanks for the sweet update. keep up the good work killing us from the inside Post thought, Our ratter corp is at 10% tax.. so your wrong again. that post about proxay was a joke.. I enjoy reading his posts.. Since you started this campaign to kill us from the inside.. We have established a Mega Isk building corp.. and I managed to put down an Outpost.. I think your failing sir. :/ STC recruiting!
HC MasiEEE Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.16 13:34:00 - [6] ________________________ HC MasiEEE - DICE
Dionisius Gallente Ordem dos Templarios Te-Ka	Posted - 2007.05.16 13:36:00 - [7] The guy has as much right to post in here as BoB/friends can make up alts to troll and post flamebait in the foruns. _______________________ What we have here is total lack of respect for the law...
DeathGrip Amarr Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.05.16 13:41:00 - [8] Originally by: Dionisius The guy has as much right to post in here as BoB/friends can make up alts to troll and post flamebait in the foruns. Nothing to due about rights to post. Its the utter garbage this guy spits out, I rather hear from the 15 news alts that don't know crap than this guy. He hates his alliance but wont leave. He claims his alliance won't defend itself, well I have been in fountain, Xelas do a great job. Do they have participation issue's. Yes. But tbh I think all alliances due at some points.
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.16 13:41:00 - [9] I wondered about this last time. So xelas get in some industry guys to make some isk for the alliance. Where is the problem? Seriously solo, you need to pull your celest dudes out of xelas now, you are only embarrasing yourselves. dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
Faceless Pokemon THe X Spies	Posted - 2007.05.16 13:41:00 - [10] Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Hi, welcome to 5 months ago? Youre not a very good spy... welcome to 5 months ago? Hi, The corp was founded less than 2 months ago. Youre not a very good reader... Working together to kill Xelas from the inside
Faceless Pokemon THe X Spies	Posted - 2007.05.16 13:49:00 - [11] Originally by: DeathGrip Nothing to due about rights to post. Its the utter garbage this guy spits out, I rather hear from the 15 news alts that don't know crap than this guy. He hates his alliance but wont leave. He claims his alliance won't defend itself, well I have been in fountain I dont hate the alliance and secondly why is it utter garbage? The post is commentating on the things stated by xelas members themselves. I am a spokesperson for this organisation and nothing more, i personally dont actually care what they do Working together to kill Xelas from the inside
DeathGrip Amarr Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.05.16 13:53:00 - [12] Originally by: Faceless Pokemon Originally by: DeathGrip Nothing to due about rights to post. Its the utter garbage this guy spits out, I rather hear from the 15 news alts that don't know crap than this guy. He hates his alliance but wont leave. He claims his alliance won't defend itself, well I have been in fountain I dont hate the alliance and secondly why is it utter garbage? The post is commentating on the things stated by xelas members themselves. I am a spokesperson for this organisation and nothing more, i personally dont actually care what they do I don't hate the alliance. Take a look at your sig lately??? Why you trying to kill an alliance you don't hate. Second off it is utter garbage nobody cares what Xelas does to make isk. I haul POS fuel all over Eve, produce components, play with 0.0 markets, ran an IPO, and multiple other things. Should I make a Post all about it, should BoB, D2, -A-, RA, and every other alliance make a post how they make isk. Xelas has people that like to NPC. Personally I like the idea, let the NPC'ers help the alliance.
Angor The JORG Corporation FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.16 13:53:00 - [13] I agree with Orange... _______________________________ Who the f*k stole my sig...
thoth foc Elcyion Lacar	Posted - 2007.05.16 13:54:00 - [14] Anyone wants to form a corp to rat for my corp, they are most welcome.. simply transfer the isk ingame to 'thoth foc' with the assurance that 100% of all isk will be used in corp projects.. kthanx _________________________ xMenta (DSMA) xBOS (CA) xATUK (.5.) DICE (BOB) Elcyion Lacar
jarack Energy.	Posted - 2007.05.16 13:57:00 - [15] Originally by: DB Preacher I wondered about this last time. So xelas get in some industry guys to make some isk for the alliance. Where is the problem? Seriously solo, you need to pull your celest dudes out of xelas now, you are only embarrasing yourselves. dbp How to celes come into the equation when the corperation is sleeping at the moment. Get a clue Jarack.
Xeriuz Caldari The Puppet Masters.	Posted - 2007.05.16 13:58:00 - [16] Originally by: Faceless Pokemon Originally by: DeathGrip Nothing to due about rights to post. Its the utter garbage this guy spits out, I rather hear from the 15 news alts that don't know crap than this guy. He hates his alliance but wont leave. He claims his alliance won't defend itself, well I have been in fountain I dont hate the alliance and secondly why is it utter garbage? The post is commentating on the things stated by xelas members themselves. I am a spokesperson for this organisation and nothing more, i personally dont actually care what they do so... actualy you dont hate and just dont care... right? then why are you trying to kill them from the inside and what are you actuly doing to do that??? hence your sig. so your just trying to keep you forum ***** alt alive and not forgotten rigth since you dont care? ______________________________________________ X You Never Know What You Have Until You Lose It
Faceless Pokemon THe X Spies	Posted - 2007.05.16 14:02:00 - [17] Originally by: Xeriuz so... actualy you dont hate and just dont care... right? then why are you trying to kill them from the inside and what are you actuly doing to do that??? hence your sig. so your just trying to keep you forum ***** alt alive and not forgotten rigth since you dont care? Just because i want them destroyed does not mean i hate them. I said i PERSONALLY didnt care. I am still the spokesperson for our organisation and will continue posting the results and updates on whatever it does irrelevant of my opinion. Working together to kill Xelas from the inside
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.16 14:05:00 - [18] Originally by: jarack Originally by: DB Preacher I wondered about this last time. So xelas get in some industry guys to make some isk for the alliance. Where is the problem? Seriously solo, you need to pull your celest dudes out of xelas now, you are only embarrasing yourselves. dbp How to celes come into the equation when the corperation is sleeping at the moment. Get a clue Because it was a celest alt put into xelas when they were up in fountain and because celest are sleeping, he has a chance to mess around on the inside now. I have plenty of clues and sometimes the truth is right before your eyes ;) dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
Neveren Caldari Setenta Corp Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.16 14:05:00 - [19] So its gone from I hate my alliance, I want to leave but my CEO doesn't want to.. Too, I don't care either way I'm just a forum ***** who doesn't care about anything i just post useless rabble.. Got it~ Thanks for the update STC recruiting!
Bloedkopp Minmatar Simian Cell Systems	Posted - 2007.05.16 14:11:00 - [20] Originally by: DB Preacher I wondered about this last time. So xelas get in some industry guys to make some isk for the alliance. Where is the problem? Seriously solo, you need to pull your celest dudes out of xelas now, you are only embarrasing yourselves. dbp post with your alt
Faceless Pokemon THe X Spies	Posted - 2007.05.16 14:13:00 - [21] Originally by: Neveren So its gone from I hate my alliance, I want to leave but my CEO doesn't want to.. Too, I don't care either way I'm just a forum ***** who doesn't care about anything i just post useless rabble.. Got it~ Thanks for the update Yes, things change. Many of our group have become happy with the isk thats made through selling your ratting positions for a cut of the loot. Wheras i have exams so do not care :) and not exactly useless rabble if members of your alliance are threatening to leave due to it. Working together to kill Xelas from the inside
Dionisius Gallente Ordem dos Templarios Te-Ka	Posted - 2007.05.16 14:14:00 - [22] Originally by: DB Preacher I wondered about this last time. So xelas get in some industry guys to make some isk for the alliance. Where is the problem? Seriously solo, you need to pull your celest dudes out of xelas now, you are only embarrasing yourselves. dbp Welcome to november 2006, its may 2007 wake up and smell the coffee. _______________________ What we have here is total lack of respect for the law...
Shadoo North Eastern Swat	Posted - 2007.05.16 14:14:00 - [23] It's not a "heavy ratter" corp, it's an experiment to develop a new class of a stealth bomber, which will lay waste to an entire empire. They are simply using the force of a hundred cloaking ravens scattered in various systems to test the new prototype out of public eye. This is real doomsday stuff ladies & gents!!! Run for the hills!!!11one!!!
Ctharth M'8'S	Posted - 2007.05.16 14:22:00 - [24] Was this suposed to make Xelas look bad? To me it just seems that Xelas got themselves a nice system to support the Alliance with both intel and isk from the persons less dedicated to pvp. Sounds like good business. And congrats to xelas that they are able to do it now that the war against bob is going so well and the coalition are getting close to winning.... (being sarcastic :D)
Dhan Resurrection R i s e	Posted - 2007.05.16 14:23:00 - [25] Enough. You've spammed this forum with too much of this. There's a corp spending with members spending 23 hours a day farming rats. We get it. It's horrible that they spend their time doing that. If they use macros petition them. Do if you have nothing to petition, get off these forums, mind your business, and quit generating new threads on this issue ever few days.
Faceless Pokemon THe X Spies	Posted - 2007.05.16 14:30:00 - [26] Edited by: Faceless Pokemon on 16/05/2007 14:29:56 Originally by: Dhan Enough. You've spammed this forum with too much of this. There's a corp spending with members spending 23 hours a day farming rats. We get it. It's horrible that they spend their time doing that. If they use macros petition them. Do if you have nothing to petition, get off these forums, mind your business, and quit generating new threads on this issue ever few days. Well youre not forced to read it so quit whining Working together to kill Xelas from the inside
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.05.16 14:32:00 - [27] Originally by: Faceless Pokemon Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Hi, welcome to 5 months ago? Youre not a very good spy... welcome to 5 months ago? Hi, The corp was founded less than 2 months ago. Youre not a very good reader... Im not even in Xelas and i know where these guys where living and what they where doing before Doomsday corp was formed. You really suck a spy ----- [Coreli Corporation Mainfrane]
Dionisius Gallente Ordem dos Templarios Te-Ka	Posted - 2007.05.16 14:36:00 - [28] Question, are they macro farmers? If so -> petition. _______________________ What we have here is total lack of respect for the law...
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.05.16 14:40:00 - [29] Originally by: Faceless Pokemon Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Im not even in Xelas and i know where these guys where living and what they where doing before Doomsday corp was formed. You really suck a spy Well good for you. This is a commentary on an internal xelas discussion on the matter happening now, Not an investigation into them. No need to get cranky because the nice lady at the employment center said being a spy was the perfect job for you, people make mistakes. ----- [Coreli Corporation Mainfrane]
Major Stormer Caldari Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.05.16 14:41:00 - [30] Originally by: DB Preacher Originally by: jarack Originally by: DB Preacher I wondered about this last time. So xelas get in some industry guys to make some isk for the alliance. Where is the problem? Seriously solo, you need to pull your celest dudes out of xelas now, you are only embarrasing yourselves. dbp How to celes come into the equation when the corperation is sleeping at the moment. Get a clue Because it was a celest alt put into xelas when they were up in fountain and because celest are sleeping, he has a chance to mess around on the inside now. I have plenty of clues and sometimes the truth is right before your eyes ;) dbp Tin foil hats!!!! Celes dont give a flying **** dbp, your as full of yourself as ever.
Hans Roaming Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.05.16 14:53:00 - [31] How is the campaign to kill Xeles going for you?
Faceless Pokemon THe X Spies	Posted - 2007.05.16 14:57:00 - [32] Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Originally by: Faceless Pokemon Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Im not even in Xelas and i know where these guys where living and what they where doing before Doomsday corp was formed. You really suck a spy Well good for you. This is a commentary on an internal xelas discussion on the matter happening now, Not an investigation into them. No need to get cranky because the nice lady at the employment center said being a spy was the perfect job for you, people make mistakes. You don't actually know this is a computer game do you Working together to kill Xelas from the inside
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.05.16 14:57:00 - [33] Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 16/05/2007 14:55:24 Originally by: Faceless Pokemon Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Originally by: Faceless Pokemon Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Im not even in Xelas and i know where these guys where living and what they where doing before Doomsday corp was formed. You really suck a spy Well good for you. This is a commentary on an internal xelas discussion on the matter happening now, Not an investigation into them. No need to get cranky because the nice lady at the employment center said being a spy was the perfect job for you, people make mistakes. You don't actually know this is a computer game do you Whats a computer game? ----- [Coreli Corporation Mainfrane]
thoth foc Elcyion Lacar	Posted - 2007.05.16 15:04:00 - [34] Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 16/05/2007 14:55:24 Originally by: Faceless Pokemon Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Originally by: Faceless Pokemon Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Im not even in Xelas and i know where these guys where living and what they where doing before Doomsday corp was formed. You really suck a spy Well good for you. This is a commentary on an internal xelas discussion on the matter happening now, Not an investigation into them. No need to get cranky because the nice lady at the employment center said being a spy was the perfect job for you, people make mistakes. You don't actually know this is a computer game do you Whats a computer game? I installed 1 on my freighter nav computer when i got bored in empire, the wreck is now in tpar belt 2-1 _________________________ xMenta (DSMA) xBOS (CA) xATUK (.5.) DICE (BOB) Elcyion Lacar
Yuri Hakata Hakata Group Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.16 15:10:00 - [35] Faceless, mate, your entries had some value from the very beginning, when it was interesting to find out what corp you were from, how you will try to harm Xelas. However you're hurting your public image by pointlessly insulting people questioning your information. And the recently expressed lack of interest in your cause can't be beneficial either. A spy like you should have more class, aspire to be a mysterious and charismatic personality on the forums. While there are irrepairable faults, like association with a game for children, and a capitalization issue in the corp name, you can try to become at least interesting to people outside Xelas. I'm thinking of mr. V from V for Vendetta. That's the kind of character, hiding under a mask, that would appeal to the crowd if you put some effort into it. Convo me if you want more pointers. :)
Faceless Pokemon THe X Spies	Posted - 2007.05.16 15:10:00 - [36] Originally by: Major Stormer Tin foil hats!!!! Celes dont give a flying **** dbp, your as full of yourself as ever. Well that clearly isn't the case. We know of at least 1 Celes character who either has an alt within xelas or has a friend who is. Working together to kill Xelas from the inside
Proxay Gallente Fallen Angel's Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.16 15:11:00 - [37] Edited by: Proxay on 16/05/2007 15:12:07 HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAH Fail. 1) Quote: TEG-SD No, actually I said XUW-3X on public forums. 2) Quote: and all the isk they make from ratting (25% tax) is amounting to 500m-1b isk per/day. Actually, i said at a rough guess, based off spending and profit margins, and I was wrong; and if you bothered to check ingame you'd see tax rate is 10% 3) Quote: The head of xelas wades in with a ridiculous response that doesnt make any sense and is basically a bs answer to try and fob people off.. Imoshen Solomani is the biggest isk farmer in xelas; he has over 110b in assets; he outranks all of those supposed 'isk farmers'. That's what blues post was getting at; I've had them participate in PVP against morsus mihi, and it was funny. 4) Quote: ... Naverin requests that proxay stop posting on forums as he makes the alliance look like fools.. That was a joke you blind moron. And I'll post what i want. Xelas has never given two **s about PR. 5) Quote: Also proxay not being able to tell when someone is bs'in believes that someone in MC contracted cruel intentions to take out his billion(s) isk BS... Also in government forums I said i reckon it's just to create bad blood between me->MC, and i knew it was bs as i know one person in MC and that's Haffrage, and thats a very vauge relationship via AXE / Xelas co-ops. IE. I knew it was a lie, and simply ran off with it to satisfy myself for a minute or two, then got over my 4b isk loss and built myself a few t2 megas and now have a nice fleet assembled. I'm happy. 6) Quote: Many xelas at this point begin to revolt saying unless it changes they are leaving.. Hahahaha? You don't read much do you. That was prior to the notice of them contributing outposts. I could post a picture of Doomsday corp chat, and their activity logs; but I think i've graced you with enough of a response here. Now would you PLEASE get some hard intel before trying to disolve xelas. Edit; this just in Originally by:** Xelas Forums fair enough. then lets let it rest at that. to celebrate lets all go kill some foes
welsh wizard 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.05.16 15:19:00 - [38] Originally by: DB Preacher I wondered about this last time. So xelas get in some industry guys to make some isk for the alliance. Where is the problem? Seriously solo, you need to pull your celest dudes out of xelas now, you are only embarrasing yourselves. dbp stfu
Rexthor Hammerfists Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.16 15:20:00 - [39] personnaly i think its pretty smart, let the ratters create isk for your alliance while they themselves are happy and you dont have to chase logging stabbed ravens around with isnt fun. just another tenant prgramm on a smaller scale. gg xelas - Purple Conquered The World, We the Universe.
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.16 15:27:00 - [40] Originally by: Faceless Pokemon Originally by: Major Stormer Tin foil hats!!!! Celes dont give a flying ** dbp, your as full of yourself as ever. Well that clearly isn't the case. We know of at least 1 Celes character who either has an alt within xelas or has a friend who is. hehe, nice try ;) dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto**
Faceless Pokemon THe X Spies	Posted - 2007.05.16 15:28:00 - [41] Originally by: Proxay 1) Quote: TEG-SD No, actually I said XUW-3X on public forums. It was a direct quote from your post. If it no longer says that it can only mean you changed it. Originally by: Proxay -snip 4) Quote: ... Naverin requests that proxay stop posting on forums as he makes the alliance look like fools.. That was a joke you blind moron. And I'll post what i want. Xelas has never given two *** about PR. - You mean you've never given two * about PR. Your posts annoy a lot of people in the alliance. Originally by:** Proxay Now would you PLEASE get some hard intel before trying to disolve xelas. They are direct quotes from your internal discussions Working together to kill Xelas from the inside
Proxay Gallente Fallen Angel's Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.16 15:31:00 - [42] Edited by: Proxay on 16/05/2007 15:33:16 that thread is closed, i can't edit my post.... edit: Quote: - You mean you've never given two ***** about PR. Your posts annoy a lot of people in the alliance. I Don't care
Neveren Caldari Setenta Corp Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.16 15:33:00 - [43] QUICK! To the MOBILE! STC recruiting!
Proxay Gallente Fallen Angel's Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.16 15:35:00 - [44] Originally by: Neveren QUICK! To the MOBILE! /me fires up the engine.
Faceless Pokemon THe X Spies	Posted - 2007.05.16 15:37:00 - [45] Originally by: Proxay that thread is closed, i can't edit my post.... Well then i have no idea. I posted it exactly as it was sent to me and I see no reason as to why someone would change the system name. Working together to kill Xelas from the inside
Neveren Caldari Setenta Corp Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.16 15:38:00 - [46] Edited by: Neveren on 16/05/2007 15:41:10 Edited by: Neveren on 16/05/2007 15:40:27 So i have to ask since your posting some.. How is your Campaign to kill us from the inside going? STC recruiting!
shanda captison Pyrrhus Sicarii Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.16 15:42:00 - [47] Originally by: Faceless Pokemon Originally by: Proxay that thread is closed, i can't edit my post.... Well then i have no idea. I posted it exactly as it was sent to me and I see no reason as to why someone would change the system name. I know for a fact your an alt spy/pleb thanks to your time in ISS, please be quite your words should be worth nothing on these forums.
Proxay Gallente Fallen Angel's Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.16 15:43:00 - [48] Edited by: Proxay on 16/05/2007 15:41:58 Edited by: Proxay on 16/05/2007 15:41:21 Update: Programs don't talk. ktabie!
DeckardIRL Setenta Corp Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.16 15:46:00 - [49] Pokemon... Its time you retired. You don't want to be the new Butter Dog do ya? Deck _____________________________________________ Xelas Fleet Admiral
PaddyPaddy Nihildarnik Gallente Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.05.16 15:47:00 - [50] Originally by: Proxay Originally by: Neveren QUICK! To the MOBILE! /me fires up the engine. Ive flown with Proxay within Xelas and can confirm- he is as ranty and generally annoying as this Faceless character portrays him to be. On the issue of whether this is interesting intel or not- sorry Faceless, pretty thumbs down on this one. Still at least you can take great comfort in the knowledge that you seem to be able to tie up quite a few of the forums bob fanclub denoucing you and your main. Must be getting to em. Keep it up! I love watching this particular cat fight develope. Originally by: Tommy TenKreds Edited by: Tommy TenKreds on 07/01/2007 14:24:00 Originally by: Sonos SAGD he is laying guys The trouble a misplaced vowel can get you into...
Major Stormer Caldari Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.05.16 15:47:00 - [51] Originally by: Faceless Pokemon Originally by: Major Stormer Tin foil hats!!!! Celes dont give a flying **** dbp, your as full of yourself as ever. Well that clearly isn't the case. We know of at least 1 Celes character who either has an alt within xelas or has a friend who is. If you say so.
Proxay Gallente Fallen Angel's Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.16 15:50:00 - [52] Originally by: PaddyPaddy Nihildarnik BTW great to hear bout the 1bil bs loss Proxay- made me smile, it really did. 4 Billion isk Vindicator. Glad it made you smile :) Sorry, I dont remember you?
Faceless Pokemon THe X Spies	Posted - 2007.05.16 15:53:00 - [53] Originally by: Neveren So i have to ask since your posting some.. How is your Campaign to kill us from the inside going? Not very well. The campaign for us to kill Xelas I would say is at best a hope for now. For a few reasons: 1) As we formed the war began to move north and so Xelas were no longer under the same threat. 2) Internal problems within our organisation over what was morally correct and differences over what people were prepared to do. 3) Lots of our members forgot how bad Xelas was due to them making nice ISK on some of our projects and lost sight of the initial idea. 4) As much as I still think deckard is useless, being in Xelas did become much more fun for the time AXE were in PNQY. Question is whether it will now fade back to as it was before they came. The project will continue for now however. Working together to kill Xelas from the inside
Neveren Caldari Setenta Corp Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.16 15:58:00 - [54] Faceless... I am you're Father..
Tehel Necrona Minmatar Black Omega Security GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.05.16 16:14:00 - [55] These Doomsday guys are quite hard to catch, u gotta give em that. It's funny watching our killboards for the progression in their fittings, at first, no stabs or cloaks, but now they're adapting to the situation and cloaking the moment anyone enters local ( even a shuttle just passing through ) to date we only killed 34 of ther BS, 25 of which were ravens, and the last 7 or so have all got a stab or cloak on the KM. It is quite annoying u can't catch ppl in the normal way anymore, but at least they're keeping us on our toes and forcing us to come up with new ways to catch them
Proxay Gallente Fallen Angel's Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.16 16:18:00 - [56] Edited by: Proxay on 16/05/2007 16:17:17 Originally by: Tehel Necrona These Doomsday guys are quite hard to catch, u gotta give em that. It's funny watching our killboards for the progression in their fittings, at first, no stabs or cloaks, but now they're adapting to the situation and cloaking the moment anyone enters local ( even a shuttle just passing through ) to date we only killed 34 of ther BS, 25 of which were ravens, and the last 7 or so have all got a stab or cloak on the KM. It is quite annoying u can't catch ppl in the normal way anymore, but at least they're keeping us on our toes and forcing us to come up with new ways to catch them All those Box's in the above picture is intel on foe movements; they also relay it into alliance chat. We have a pretty good net in fountain regarding foe movements... edit: Thread over, bye all.
Pilk Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.05.16 17:33:00 - [57] Would a few Xelas members mind posting some alliance mails along the lines of, "Faceless Pokemon has it all right! You all suxx0rz! Goodbye!" just to keep this guy going? If he's reduced to posting, "OMG, Xelas is making isk while simultaneously turning dead weight into intel-gathering apparatus!" as though it's a scandal, his threads become pointless to read. Erm... more pointless to read. --P
George Petsch Caldari Thundercats RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.16 17:49:00 - [58] Originally by: Neveren Edited by: Neveren on 16/05/2007 14:36:26 Proxay Petition button 4TW BEST. BUTTON. EVAR. Besides that I can't add anything to this thread
Major Stormer Caldari Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.05.16 17:54:00 - [59] Originally by: Borg017 Originally by: welsh wizard Originally by: DB Preacher rabble rabble rabble dbp stfu I second this motion. I would like to attach the "idiot forum tax" to this bill.
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.16 18:06:00 - [60] I'm starting to think that the OP is actually a Xelas disinformation agent, rather than a spy. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
sakana North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.05.16 19:48:00 - [61] The way I see it, every major alliance has it's share of farmers, xelas is just unique in its choice to welcome them, and thats their decision to make. I do think it highlights another problem though (yup here comes the whine guys, get ready!!!!). 0.0 is not meant to be safe, nor is it meant to be easy to hold, you should have to earn it. Which is why I see logging/cloaking isk farming ravens as a problem. They are almost 100% safe as they log the second you enter local, unless their not currently targetted by a rat in which case they cloak. This is apparntely lawless, dangerous space, where you have to fight for your right to reap it's benefits, but there is no risk for these guys, it doesnt make sense. These guys apparently fund Xelas, yet there is no way of combatting them. Make shooting a rat give you 14min aggro. Dont allow cloaks to be used in this way (warm up period so people can still go afkers or something?). ------------
Pilk Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.05.16 20:07:00 - [62] Originally by: sakana The way I see it, every major alliance has it's share of farmers, xelas is just unique in its choice to welcome them, and thats their decision to make. I do think it highlights another problem though (yup here comes the whine guys, get ready!!!!). 0.0 is not meant to be safe, nor is it meant to be easy to hold, you should have to earn it. Which is why I see logging/cloaking isk farming ravens as a problem. They are almost 100% safe as they log the second you enter local, unless their not currently targetted by a rat in which case they cloak. This is apparntely lawless, dangerous space, where you have to fight for your right to reap it's benefits, but there is no risk for these guys, it doesnt make sense. These guys apparently fund Xelas, yet there is no way of combatting them. Make shooting a rat give you 14min aggro. Dont allow cloaks to be used in this way (warm up period so people can still go afkers or something?). Not sure if I agree with your exact list of proposed solutions, but I concur with the general point that the stabbing, cloaking, logoffski Raven ratting in 0.0 is a problem. --P
band0fdevs Gallente Band of Dev's	Posted - 2007.05.16 20:10:00 - [63] this is what happens when they are petitioned as farmers and CCP ignores it obvoisly they are cleared then so good on xelas for incorparating and making use of the ratters
Fuglife Aliastra	Posted - 2007.05.16 20:21:00 - [64] Was your ap rejected again Dbp? you seem terribly bitter. I know Welsh Wizard! 3rd Best pvper in Eve
DeathGrip Amarr Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.05.16 21:09:00 - [65] Originally by: sakana The way I see it, every major alliance has it's share of farmers, xelas is just unique in its choice to welcome them, and thats their decision to make. I do think it highlights another problem though (yup here comes the whine guys, get ready!!!!). 0.0 is not meant to be safe, nor is it meant to be easy to hold, you should have to earn it. Which is why I see logging/cloaking isk farming ravens as a problem. They are almost 100% safe as they log the second you enter local, unless their not currently targetted by a rat in which case they cloak. This is apparntely lawless, dangerous space, where you have to fight for your right to reap it's benefits, but there is no risk for these guys, it doesnt make sense. These guys apparently fund Xelas, yet there is no way of combatting them. Make shooting a rat give you 14min aggro. Dont allow cloaks to be used in this way (warm up period so people can still go afkers or something?). I agree some here. I think CCP should do somthing about cloaks fitting on every ships in Eve now. Its just stupid IMO. I think in 0.0 there should be some accountability, I feel the sov holders should get some sort of bonus's to find enemy's in there system, while I also feel that you should not be able to just log if hostiles show up in local. Now that being said not sure a 14min agro timer would work either.
R0ot InNova Tech Inc Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.16 21:16:00 - [66] Originally by: Avon I'm starting to think that the OP is actually a Xelas disinformation agent, rather than a spy. Damnit hes on to us, to the petition mobile! ------------------------------------------------------------------ Sig removed. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] with a link to your signature. - Elmo Pug
Neveren Caldari Setenta Corp Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.16 21:21:00 - [67] Hurry! get on the Mobile root! Its where the cool kids hang out STC recruiting!
UGWidowmaker Caldari Setenta Corp Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.16 21:22:00 - [68] faceless. you as always make me laugh! what is wrong in npc ? we need more hard working people like the good ratters with snigerdly hanging around.. :) GF snigs!!! u sure as hell bring it!!! if we suck at pvp then why come fight us all the time ???
UGWidowmaker Caldari Setenta Corp Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.16 21:26:00 - [69] i did forget to say thx to he faceless fuc... for yet again bringing xelas on the frontpage in this thread.. so thx.. if we suck at pvp then why come fight us all the time ???
Major Stormer Caldari Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.05.16 21:27:00 - [70] Quote: if we suck at pvp then why come fight us all the time ??? Easy kills. A few of your alliance are decent (normal, proxey, couple of others) they bring it. the rest would be mindless cannon fodder. Always has been.
nickycakes Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.16 21:46:00 - [71] maybe i'm missing something big here, but are you seriously flaming an alliance for carebearing to fund pvp?
UGWidowmaker Caldari Setenta Corp Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.16 21:49:00 - [72] Edited by: UGWidowmaker on 16/05/2007 21:50:26 Edited by: UGWidowmaker on 16/05/2007 21:48:39 Originally by: Major Stormer Quote: if we suck at pvp then why come fight us all the time ??? Easy kills. A few of your alliance are decent (normal, proxey, couple of others) they bring it. the rest would be mindless cannon fodder. Always has been. lol... if we suck at pvp then why come fight us all the time ???
Imoshen Solomani InNova Tech Inc Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.16 22:39:00 - [73] I try to avoid these forums like the plague. I'll be rambling a bit its early in the morning. Our best PR to date has generally been other people putting there feet in their mouth and us just keeping quiet. The only posts worth doing are just some reports of events that can't be disputed. Though they always attract a lot of commentary like this one. I'm not going to dispute the original post. Since he obviously has access to our forums. But a lot of commentary that I see on the forums is so far from the mark from whats on the ground in eve its a good joke on a slow day, and even funnier when someone has a clue and is told he is wrong by everyone else. Of course both of these types of posts are hard to tell apart. So i'm usually against reading these forums let alone posting on forums, but i'm bored this morning, it my first post in four years here I think, and its the first faceless post that i've bothered reading. I'd like to thank faceless pokemon. Because of you were pulling a little together more than normal. Were becoming a little more security aware. I think we have always had a spy problem. I'd like to thank morhus mihi for their invasion of fountain. While that was going on a lot of other smaller problems weren't raised cause they weren't important. Same goes for all the other major invasions into fountain we work together a bit more while your around. I'd like to thank the people war deccing us for getting our empire side operations sorted out... they either died or learnt how to organise and do things properly so there not dying to much now. I'd especially like to thank privateers about that. I'd like to thank the people attacking us in fountain or running gank squads around.. Most of the people your killing aren't paying attention to either local or intel reports. They will end up learning or leaving or dying a lot. In the end no hostiles running around is bad. Your people start paying less attention and get even sloppier in pvp. Farmers that get killed they usually have the isk to buy replacement ships usually from the rest of us. And we have had a lot of fun eradicating a lot of farmers. But the farmers learn to, i'm guessing pandemic legion are obviously running into the same problem we did with people farming in 0.0. The dumb ones get blown up and leave. The smart ones learn a whole heap of things that make it almost impossible to even find them in system let alone kill them. They learn to not take a single chance. As soon as someone is in system they hide. The only way i can think of getting them to leave is camp them 23/7. I can't think of a more boring thing to do. Fountain: Not an easy place to live in for the last 2 years. You either learn to survive or end up leaving. Some corps just can't handle the pressure or just aren't quite ready, their pilots don't have the resources/organisation/skills needed to survive, let alone thrive. Those corps have a tendancy to take a lot of losses as they get established. Some expect to freeload and find out its not that simple amd end up leaving. On the plus side they usually end up leaving some of their better pvp people in our other corps. We have our ups and our downs. But BOB of kept their agreement for over two years since tenal region was our home. When all our allied north alliances turned on us. None of those north alliances at that time really exist anymore. Their corps still do, in other alliances. We have survived, thats enough. We are a long way ahead of where we started. I think were doing better because people are worrying about smaller problems. Means the bigger ones aren't there. Just my view I could be wrong... And I'll take the... credit?/bad rep?/rep? of being the biggest rat farmer... long term (2years +)... anyway...Every single one of us that buys things need to get our isk from somewhere... Some of us are just more hard working or have other things that get us what we want to have a fun game.
Krumpit	Posted - 2007.05.16 23:24:00 - [74] The word disingenuous springs readily to mind, in the sense of faux-naif; pretending to be unaware. The sheer volume and vehemence of the denials is enough to make anyone suspicious. Hate macros? Join channel macrointel - in game killboard http://macrointel.eve-kb.org/?a=igb
Kinsy Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.05.17 00:08:00 - [75] The last spy we had in Xelas left ages ago, if we still have one, the directorship doesn't know about it. dbp, you are THEE VERY LAST PERSON to talk to about spies in corps pal. Xelas are hilarious cannon fodder, the killboards show it and most of Eve knows it, including bob, get over yourselves. You just got real good at running away and taking orders from other alliance fc's
Raznarok Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.05.17 00:21:00 - [76] Originally by: DeathGrip I am coming out Be strong DG
Raznarok Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.05.17 00:24:00 - [77] * Hands out hugs to everyone in the thread * Better?
Nero Winger Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.17 00:28:00 - [78] ah finally i can post on the forums and tell this dude what i think about him.. and the majority of the comunity. . . . .. ... go back play Counter Strike, i think there you will find people of your age. even the coalition guys laugh at you.
Topaz Skydiver Minmatar Narrative Freshfood	Posted - 2007.05.17 00:38:00 - [79] Edited by: Topaz Skydiver on 17/05/2007 00:37:20 Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists personnaly i think its pretty smart, let the ratters create isk for your alliance while they themselves are happy and you dont have to chase logging stabbed ravens around with isnt fun. just another tenant prgramm on a smaller scale. gg xelas I'd call it smart, if those ratter really were normal players, who just want to make some isk for themselves or their corp to build something up. But most people doubt that most of those organized farmers, who rat all day long and do nothing else, make isk for that purpose. Most people think they make isk to sell it. Even the people who rent out their space to them think they sell the isk. But their opinion is that as long as CCP has no proof, everything is fine. They think, if they are farming to sell isk and CCP can do nothing against it, because they can't prove what's going on, why shouldn't we get our share from that stuff. It's not against the EULA. I don't like that thinking. You have many players hating farmers and trying to combat them, where they find them, but due to safespotting, wcs and cloaking, there are not much means. Then some alliance leadership decides to work together with them to profit. I don't like it. And yes, I'm quite sure that this thinking exists. It's showed in one of the replies on the BoB forum, this thinking exists certainly in RA and I know that a 10/10 complex in the south-east was rented out to some suspected farmers. I was there and kept my mouth shut. The reason it was rented to them out was: 'We don't want that our enemy runs the plex and finances his war with this stuff. We lack people, who can run the plex themselves regularily. Now we have those guys from corp xy, who were our enemies, but they are willing to run the plex as often as possible. We think they are farmers and ebayers, but they have been petitioned several times and all is fine. We get our share and the enemy can't run the plex. Yes, we know it's a bit shady, but this is war.' --------------------------------------------- snip
Vasili Z Beasts of Burden YouWhat	Posted - 2007.05.17 00:47:00 - [80] Originally by: Orange Species zzzzzzz Agreed. zzzzzz ---- Everything I say represents my corporation and their views.
Krumpit	Posted - 2007.05.17 01:03:00 - [81] Originally by: Topaz Skydiver I was there and kept my mouth shut. The reason it was rented to them out was: 'We don't want that our enemy runs the plex and finances his war with this stuff. We lack people, who can run the plex themselves regularily. Now we have those guys from corp xy, who were our enemies, but they are willing to run the plex as often as possible. We think they are farmers and ebayers, but they have been petitioned several times and all is fine. We get our share and the enemy can't run the plex. Yes, we know it's a bit shady, but this is war.' Must add, I really hated this decision, but sometimes you just accept some decisions, although you don't like them yourself, ebcause you think they stink. Terrible thing, a conscience. But it's what makes you human...
Algorithm 5 Caldari Hakata Group Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.17 02:57:00 - [82] Originally by: sakana The way I see it, every major alliance has it's share of farmers, xelas is just unique in its choice to welcome them, and thats their decision to make. I do think it highlights another problem though (yup here comes the whine guys, get ready!!!!). 0.0 is not meant to be safe, nor is it meant to be easy to hold, you should have to earn it. Which is why I see logging/cloaking isk farming ravens as a problem. They are almost 100% safe as they log the second you enter local, unless their not currently targetted by a rat in which case they cloak. This is apparntely lawless, dangerous space, where you have to fight for your right to reap it's benefits, but there is no risk for these guys, it doesnt make sense. These guys apparently fund Xelas, yet there is no way of combatting them. Make shooting a rat give you 14min aggro. Dont allow cloaks to be used in this way (warm up period so people can still go afkers or something?). I chuckle at the people posting about how hard it is to kill the Doomsday guys, because Xelas has ourself been suffering the same problems pretty much the entire time we've been out here, except instead of Doomsday, replace that with "various random corps of various random blue or red status". The Doomsday Experiment was created by Norman almost entire on the premise that there is currently no effective way to get rid of them, and they are just burning up vast amounts of peoples time and also constitute a security/intel risk. Personally I've always seen it as more a form of damage control. Since there's no way to stop them (as people will have noticed, they display an immense ability to lose ratting ships over and over again) then it's at least the next best solution to have them sending intel to us instead of someone else, and to be contributing taxes to us. And beyond that, we also have someone that is highly respected and that can push them around and try to make them contribute more. They do seem to be actually PVPing more, although really I won't be happy until I see a 25+ man Doomsday POS takedown crew. 25 skill-focused cloaking torp/cruise ravens grinding down unarmed small/medium POS. If you sent a gang to stop them, all of them just cloak up until you leave :) But to comment on your original point, if the "macroraven" (as I like to call that setup) didn't exist, then we might have managed to actually keep them out of our space, and this solution wouldn't have been necessary at all.
Righteous Fury Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.05.17 03:09:00 - [83] Originally by: Major Stormer Quote: if we suck at pvp then why come fight us all the time ??? Easy kills. A few of your alliance are decent (normal, proxey, couple of others) they bring it. the rest would be mindless cannon fodder. Always has been. So, wait a minute. Let me get this straight. As members of CELES, you touted yourselves to be one of the finest pvp outfits in the game. Yet, like all other of the other standard pvp corps you flamed for supposedly being nubs, you had to rely on "easy pickings" to pad your killboard stats and inflate your egos? Must sting a bit admitting you weren't really anything special. Guess that claim of going toe-to-toe with the best was really meaningless after all.
Celestal	Posted - 2007.05.17 04:04:00 - [84] Edited by: Celestal on 17/05/2007 04:02:06 oops caod , mustnt post
Dal Thrax Caldari Multiverse Corporation The Core Collective	Posted - 2007.05.17 04:45:00 - [85] Originally by: nickycakes maybe i'm missing something big here, but are you seriously flaming an alliance for carebearing to fund pvp? Actually you are. The allegation is that Xeles is letting ISK sellers farm under their name for a cut of the isks generated. The OP can't post this since ISD will remove any posts related to RL $$ in EvE. Dal Originally by: CCP Sharkbait we are screwed. delaying startup again. soon as i have time i will fill you in on the details
Anglo Minmatar Astral Mexicans	Posted - 2007.05.17 07:52:00 - [86] racism ?
Pesadel0 Ordem dos Templarios	Posted - 2007.05.17 08:44:00 - [87] Originally by: Righteous Fury Originally by: Major Stormer Quote: if we suck at pvp then why come fight us all the time ??? Easy kills. A few of your alliance are decent (normal, proxey, couple of others) they bring it. the rest would be mindless cannon fodder. Always has been. So, wait a minute. Let me get this straight. As members of CELES, you touted yourselves to be one of the finest pvp outfits in the game. Yet, like all other of the other standard pvp corps you flamed for supposedly being nubs, you had to rely on "easy pickings" to pad your killboard stats and inflate your egos? Must sting a bit admitting you weren't really anything special. Guess that claim of going toe-to-toe with the best was really meaningless after all. Lol this is priceless coming from a supposed merc alliance that declared war on a ten pirate corp and then lost a freighter unescorted,then backs down from the war.Get over yourself you will never be better then CELES. To the OP keep the dirt coming at least it is amusing . I was sworn to absolute secrecy BY CCP.
Asylum Seaker Celtic Anarchy Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.05.17 08:50:00 - [88] Faceless Pokemon threads make me lol a bit. The universe is hostile, so impersonal, devour to survive, so it is, so it's always been.
Yazoul Samaiel Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.17 08:57:00 - [89] Originally by: Major Stormer Originally by: Righteous Fury Originally by: Major Stormer Quote: if we suck at pvp then why come fight us all the time ??? Easy kills. A few of your alliance are decent (normal, proxey, couple of others) they bring it. the rest would be mindless cannon fodder. Always has been. So, wait a minute. Let me get this straight. As members of CELES, you touted yourselves to be one of the finest pvp outfits in the game. Yet, like all other of the other standard pvp corps you flamed for supposedly being nubs, you had to rely on "easy pickings" to pad your killboard stats and inflate your egos? Must sting a bit admitting you weren't really anything special. Guess that claim of going toe-to-toe with the best was really meaningless after all. Check out our stats against BOB, then you can continue whining about how your cloaked recon gangs only ever get caracal kills. Solo still claims fountain also i beleive
Gibmundur Amarr Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.05.17 10:26:00 - [90] What ever happened to that dark nebula gallente bob alt corp that was in xelas, whered they go? Your signature is inappropriate. Please read the forum rules before reposting- Tirg
V4MPIRELLA ANATOLIA WOLF	Posted - 2007.05.17 11:08:00 - [91] its not a bad idea its like to make an industrial corp to make your stuff and also a corp to make assets in isk that u can spend whatever you want for alliance i advice make 2 more corps aswell 1 miner corp and 1 industrial corp that can make more and more assets that to maintain the fighters on the war zone. But there is 1 problem is that to control these corps u can tax the ratters but you cannot easily tax miners and industrialists
welsh wizard 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.05.17 13:07:00 - [92] Edited by: welsh wizard on 17/05/2007 13:05:57 Originally by: Righteous Fury So wait a minute. Let me get this straight. As members of CELES, you touted yourselves to be one of the finest pvp outfits in the game. Yet, like all other of the other standard pvp corps you flamed for supposedly being nubs, you had to rely on "easy pickings" to pad your killboard stats and inflate your egos? Must sting a bit admitting you weren't really anything special. Guess that claim of going toe-to-toe with the best was really meaningless after all. Celes are still the most successful corp on Xelas' killboard by a margin of 2.19 compared to the nearest competitor. When I left the corp, 8 of the top 10 killers on the Xelas killboard were Celes, Norman and Proxay being the other two. This is excluding the vast number of losses that were never posted. Credit to Xelas they're still alive and kicking after recieving a beating the likes of which no other alliance in the game has recieved (from a single corp atleast). They've been through it all and over 2 years have gained a mutual respect for their old foe. In the end they triumphed through perseverence. Belittle the corps legacy all you like, unfortunately you're not in the same league and never will be. Good day.
Kinsy Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.05.17 13:39:00 - [93] Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel Solo still claims fountain also i beleive He's too busy picking up fat girls in his porsche these days. Good for him, I'd rather do that than turn into a poswarfare mentalist.
Yazoul Samaiel Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.17 13:46:00 - [94] Originally by: Kinsy Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel Solo still claims fountain also i beleive He's too busy picking up fat girls in his porsche these days. Good for him, I'd rather do that than turn into a poswarfare mentalist. I heard you look HAWT in lipstick also ?
Seb Tores	Posted - 2007.05.17 14:09:00 - [95] Originally by: Faceless Pokemon Originally by: Proxay that thread is closed, i can't edit my post.... Well then i have no idea. I posted it exactly as it was sent to me and I see no reason as to why someone would change the system name. so you just post what has bin handed to you? how many go through the intel before it ends up on your desk? 1? 3? 5 ppl? you know rumors and truth isn¦t allways the same and posting blindly from someone else can lead to bad spelling errors. I¦ll give you a free intel straight from high command (so you don¦t need to spend your precious time on actually following up on the facts) "TOP SECRET....Our 3 POS¦s in Jita were put into reinforced 24hours ago and will come out in precisely 26 hours from now, 1. april 16:00. We have no cap ships in our fleet and nothing bigger then T1 frigs and macroravens to defend but we will be there sitting as ducks for when the hostiles arrive..." and F.Poke...plz dont tell anyone mkay...
Righteous Fury Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.05.17 14:16:00 - [96] Originally by: Pesadel0 Lol this is priceless coming from a supposed merc alliance that declared war on a ten pirate corp and then lost a freighter unescorted,then backs down from the war.Get over yourself you will never be better then CELES. To the OP keep the dirt coming at least it is amusing . Do your homework first, kid. We've never lost a freighter, we don't have anyone who flies them. Not that I'd really expect you to come here with facts, your superb forum presence over the past few months speaks volumes for your state of mind. Originally by: Major Stormer Check out our stats against BOB, then you can continue whining about how your cloaked recon gangs only ever get caracal kills. Caracal kills, huh? Oh, and welshie. The fact that your on the very top of Xelas' killboard and proud of that fact is exactly my point. There are plenty of corps that can out-kill an entire alliance (we've done it to at least three), but you don't really see any of them parading it around on the forums because they think it makes them look cool, eh? I know you're just bitter though, just squeeze your stress ball and continue whoruming.
Righteous Fury Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.05.17 14:20:00 - [97] Oh, and Stormer? Out of 2845 kills that included any sort of cloaked ship, only 110 of them were Caracals.
Troubadour Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.05.17 14:51:00 - [98] Originally by: Pesadel0 Lol this is priceless coming from a supposed merc alliance that declared war on a ten pirate corp and then lost a freighter unescorted,then backs down from the war.Get over yourself you will never be better then CELES. To the OP keep the dirt coming at least it is amusing . what is priceless is the fact nowhere on our killboard is there a freighter lost, probably because nobody in corp can fly them. I'm not quite sure who the hell you are, but you need to lay off the mushrooms. Also, a few months back when we were personally asked by a "large alliance" to aid in the harassment and systematic removal of CELES from fountain, I was pumped. I had heard lots of good things about them and was looking forward to some intense combat. After they fell for one of the oldest tricks in the SL playbook the first day they sat in station and didn't come out unless they had over double odds(even then we would still try to fight them). It was lame as hell. CELES are nothing special, case closed.
welsh wizard 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.05.17 15:28:00 - [99] Originally by: Righteous Fury Oh, and welshie. The fact that your on the very top of Xelas' killboard and proud of that fact is exactly my point. There are plenty of corps that can out-kill an entire alliance (we've done it to at least three), but you don't really see any of them parading it around on the forums because they think it makes them look cool, eh? Well the numbers and extent of 'out-kill an entire alliance' are there for all to see, I guess it just depends on your perception. I'm not sure you ever encountered Celes at anywhere near to full strength so your opinion is invalid.
welsh wizard 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.05.17 15:33:00 - [100] Originally by: Troubadour CELES are nothing special, case closed. Your opinion is based on a few weeks of ganking the remains of the corp after the majority of its active member base left. You have no basis for argument, you're just trolling.
Righteous Fury Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.05.17 17:29:00 - [101] Originally by: welsh wizard Originally by: Troubadour CELES are nothing special, case closed. Your opinion is based on a few weeks of ganking the remains of the corp after the majority of its active member base left. You have no basis for argument, you're just trolling. So which is it, either we have or we haven't? I'll be the first to admit we haven't seen you in extended combat for a period of more than a few weeks, but seriously, shouldn't you have been slapping us around from day one if you were so uber? Incidentally, we were pretty much slaughtering you up to the point you broke up on the 6/7th of January, as your own employment history points out. Post that, we could hardly find any of you. Call it ganking if you want, but I guess thats what happens when we don't walk into your bubble camps, eh? If you'd like me to explain exactly what I mean by slaughtered, I'd be happy to elaborate.
thoth foc Elcyion Lacar	Posted - 2007.05.17 17:59:00 - [102] Originally by: welsh wizard Originally by: Troubadour CELES are nothing special, case closed. Your opinion is based on a few weeks of ganking the remains of the corp after the majority of its active member base left. And you really think that ppl who have fought CELES for years have a different opinions? little gank corps claiming to be uber are 2 a penny tbh... _________________________ xMenta (DSMA) xBOS (CA) xATUK (.5.) DICE (BOB) Elcyion Lacar
Fedaykin Naib 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.05.17 18:38:00 - [103] Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel Originally by: Kinsy Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel Solo still claims fountain also i beleive He's too busy picking up fat girls in his porsche these days. Good for him, I'd rather do that than turn into a poswarfare mentalist. I heard you look HAWT in lipstick also ? LMAO, I think hes got you there kinsy! "Long Live the Fighters!"
Fuglife Aliastra	Posted - 2007.05.17 20:06:00 - [104] Welsh don't waste your breath mate. I know Welsh Wizard! 3rd Best pvper in Eve
Kinsy Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.05.18 08:16:00 - [105] Edited by: Kinsy on 18/05/2007 08:18:53 Edited by: Kinsy on 18/05/2007 08:17:11 Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel Originally by: Kinsy Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel Solo still claims fountain also i beleive He's too busy picking up fat girls in his porsche these days. Good for him, I'd rather do that than turn into a poswarfare mentalist. I heard you look HAWT in lipstick also ? This is a common misconception. I dont wear lipstick at all, my lips are red because i've been getting it on with Lodhi. You came up in coverts looking for ganks, nothing more. You wanted a fight with us, bring it straight up, its the way we like it. Hell i did engage a camp of yours solo on my alt and nearly killed SLIM (hi) once. You have to admit though, we were getting a _little_ bit blobbed out at the time, it wasn't just Slackers who were there. RF, if you knew welsh like i do, the only thing he's bitter about is the fact that he's got 2 skillpoints and is a complete noob.
Dufas Amarr Dark-Rising Fallen Souls	Posted - 2007.05.18 11:30:00 - [106] this is 20 minutes of my life i wont get back __________
UGWidowmaker Caldari Setenta Corp Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.18 11:41:00 - [107] amazing its not locked yet! snip - signature removed, please email us with a link to the signature if you wish to know why. -Ivan K if we suck at pvp then why come fight us all the time ???
Toppar Wear STK Scientific Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.05.18 12:03:00 - [108] So many people are clueless about CELES.. You call urself pvp¦ers but you really only gank.. Try uncloaking sometimes with those recons and bring a good fight.. BTW as allready said, u only meet CELES when it was closing down..
MECHcore Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.05.18 12:36:00 - [109] Lots of love in here it seems Were currently on a break , in time we might come to a place near you Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Hango ([email protected])
Neveren Caldari Setenta Corp Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.18 13:45:00 - [110] So yeah this was a sweet thread yesterday morning when i needed something to do at work... now its just zzzzzz STC recruiting!
Major Stormer Caldari Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.05.18 13:50:00 - [111] Originally by: Neveren So yeah this was a sweet thread yesterday morning when i needed something to do at work... now its just zzzzzz Um...You suck PNQY outpost! (yay it got interesting again ;) )
welsh wizard 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.05.21 11:10:00 - [112] Originally by: Righteous Fury Originally by: welsh wizard Originally by: Troubadour CELES are nothing special, case closed. Your opinion is based on a few weeks of ganking the remains of the corp after the majority of its active member base left. You have no basis for argument, you're just trolling. So which is it, either we have or we haven't? I'll be the first to admit we haven't seen you in extended combat for a period of more than a few weeks, but seriously, shouldn't you have been slapping us around from day one if you were so uber? Incidentally, we were pretty much slaughtering you up to the point you broke up on the 6/7th of January, as your own employment history points out. Post that, we could hardly find any of you. Call it ganking if you want, but I guess thats what happens when we don't walk into your bubble camps, eh? If you'd like me to explain exactly what I mean by slaughtered, I'd be happy to elaborate. Fountain was a sea of blue when I left the corp at the turn of the year. Unfortunate timing as you lot showed up with the rest of them 3 or 4 days later. Basically Celes was shutting down long before you arrived because there was nothing to shoot. Attribute it to your cloaking recon gangs if you like, I disagree. thoth, we've had this discussion thousands of times, we both know what each other think so we may aswell give it a rest.
Hindgrinder Jr Minmatar Es and Whizz Hedonistic Imperative	Posted - 2007.05.21 11:39:00 - [113] I heard that Xirtam and Foyle were getting back together and that Duke Droklar is really their adopted daughter. CH Jr.
King Fury Caldari Fury Corp.	Posted - 2007.05.21 12:18:00 - [114] Originally by: Gibmundur What ever happened to that dark nebula gallente bob alt corp that was in xelas, whered they go? They joined corelli, you do know Josh is a BoB alt dont you?
Faceless Pokemon THe X Spies	Posted - 2007.05.21 15:15:00 - [115] Edited by: Faceless Pokemon on 21/05/2007 15:13:31 This has gone a little bit off topic! Not been much change in the last few days, xelas leadership has silenced anyone who brings up the issue. and there is also this.... http://dl.eve-files.com/media/0705/2007.05.20.13.09.42.jpg Working together to kill Xelas from the inside
IntegralHellsing Gallente The League of Legitimate Nigerian Businessmen	Posted - 2007.05.21 15:26:00 - [116] Edited by: IntegralHellsing on 21/05/2007 15:24:37 lol chinese isk farmer. they really are everywhere! --------------------------------------
Mitch Taylor Caldari Dark-Rising Fallen Souls	Posted - 2007.05.21 15:36:00 - [117] Originally by: Faceless Pokemon Edited by: Faceless Pokemon on 21/05/2007 15:13:31 This has gone a little bit off topic! Not been much change in the last few days, xelas leadership has silenced anyone who brings up the issue. and there is also this.... http://dl.eve-files.com/media/0705/2007.05.20.13.09.42.jpg i call bull mate. ask yourself this, if you really were a chinese isk farmer, and you really did need to do it to feed your kids, would you honestly discuss it in any channel with any random space traveller. no. you wouldnt and you would deny it if anyone asked. your a fool and a stupid one at that. good day. Dark-Rising
Faceless Pokemon THe X Spies	Posted - 2007.05.21 15:49:00 - [118] Originally by: Mitch Taylor i call bull mate. ask yourself this, if you really were a chinese isk farmer, and you really did need to do it to feed your kids, would you honestly discuss it in any channel with any random space traveller. no. you wouldnt and you would deny it if anyone asked. your a fool and a stupid one at that. good day. So your saying someone has gone to great lengths to make a very high quality fake image?.. considering the amount of assumptions you've made in that post you should not really be throwing around the term fool. I merely said it was of interest and did not make any accusations and secondly who says the person in the conversation is a random space traveller? Working together to kill Xelas from the inside
Neveren Caldari Setenta Corp Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.21 15:51:00 - [119] So you posted a picture of somthing from our private forums on this forum.. A. You dont know anything about the background of that photo. B. It was a setup to see how long it would take you to post it. (i have been monitoring our forums all morning and Know who has seen that thread) - Another one of your followers will be removed from xelas shortly.. STC recruiting!
Mitch Taylor Caldari Dark-Rising Fallen Souls	Posted - 2007.05.21 15:53:00 - [120] Originally by: Faceless Pokemon Originally by: Mitch Taylor i call bull mate. ask yourself this, if you really were a chinese isk farmer, and you really did need to do it to feed your kids, would you honestly discuss it in any channel with any random space traveller. no. you wouldnt and you would deny it if anyone asked. your a fool and a stupid one at that. good day. So your saying someone has gone to great lengths to make a very high quality fake image?.. considering the amount of assumptions you've made in that post you should not really be throwing around the term fool. I merely said it was of interest and did not make any accusations and secondly who says the person in the conversation is a random space traveller? high quality fake? its a convo you tit. any idiot could make that screenshot, oh hang on... they did. stop wasting everyones time. Dark-Rising
Faceless Pokemon THe X Spies	Posted - 2007.05.21 15:53:00 - [121] Originally by: Neveren So you posted a picture of somthing from our private forums on this forum.. A. You dont know anything about the background of that photo. B. It was a setup to see how long it would take you to post it. (i have been monitoring our forums all morning and Know who has seen that thread) - Another one of your followers will be removed from xelas shortly.. Good luck with that considering we did not get the image link from your forums Working together to kill Xelas from the inside
Faceless Pokemon THe X Spies	Posted - 2007.05.21 16:13:00 - [122] Originally by: Mitch Taylor high quality fake? its a convo you tit. any idiot could make that screenshot, oh hang on... they did. stop wasting everyones time. So your saying someone who does not speak english from a corp that already has quite a number petitions filed against certain members and being watched closely decides to state in-game that he/she is breaking the rules on purpose as a joke?..and thus making themselves open to be banned? I see your mental abilities almost match your FC'in skills If you honestly Working together to kill Xelas from the inside
Neveren Caldari Setenta Corp Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.21 16:14:00 - [123] lol I sell isk all the time.. There i said it.. What did saying it do? nothing.. =) have a nice day STC recruiting!
King Fury Caldari Fury Corp.	Posted - 2007.05.21 17:21:00 - [124] Originally by: Neveren lol I sell isk all the time.. There i said it.. What did saying it do? nothing.. =) have a nice day Petition sent, this is against eula, just because your a bob slave doesnt mean you have the same influence as them
Daenethx Gallente Fallen Angel's Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.21 17:25:00 - [125] Originally by: Faceless Pokemon Good luck with that considering we did not get the image link from your forums Oh our forums? I thought you were a Xelas member also :P
UGWidowmaker Caldari Setenta Corp Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.21 18:42:00 - [126] ccp this has gone to fare! if you cant see what alts are doing to the real game hmm look in this thread.. theres your answer. we alow chinese players into xelas to teach em how to pvp, they start with making isk, then they do pvp. if any have a problem with us being social to other great nations, OR if you are a dumb mother fu... * fan or even a small neo mind thinking person i sugest u come kill us! now end this thread lock it. enough is enough. the 4 chinese players whom setenta took in our corp is now out Frontline and have been for a few weeks. may i ask where you are ? in empire making tons of isk.. does that make you a isk farmer. or ebay seller ? i sugest u provide the proof and send it to ccp. or have ccp investigate it.. HOWEVER if it comes to my ears that ccp investigate only because of a flamer like you with no proof and or due to the country they are from, i will consider going further with it. so come with proofs or stfu. ill go make a spy on some alliance and post stuff like this ! i feel faceless is a racist and he is harasing us. show your face pokemon. and ill eat you and your friends all alone.. nav give me hes name! ccp alows alt *** i dont! also have you facts streight before you come acuse some who cant defend themself here on the forum as you wouldent understand muhc of what they say! HOWEVER they are learning to speak up, so i sugest u say lo to one of your acused socalled ISK farmers. damn your such an racist, ignorant and in general a bad person, and as a persons life reflects in the caracter u choose to be you are a very bad person in real life... im very happy i dont have to deal with you in RL, i would proberly not like you.. did your mom drop u on the floor ? or is she just ****** like you ? one tired widowmaker... now stop the whining faceless and start fight instead.. or even better leave the alliance you have grown so tired of.. n00b. snip - signature removed, please email us with a link to the signature if you wish to know why. -Ivan K if we suck at pvp then why come fight us all the time ???
UGWidowmaker Caldari Setenta Corp Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.21 18:53:00 - [127] it still amazed me ccp havent locked this thread as there is many violation to the EUAL. i see.. 1: racism to some degree 2: exploit acusations 3: trollin i wonder why ccp allows that, i can only imagine. is ccp having favorism on the forums ?
Cadiz Caldari No Quarter. Vae Victis.	Posted - 2007.05.21 18:59:00 - [128] Edited by: Cadiz on 21/05/2007 19:03:36 Please stop playing the "ZOMGZ RACISM" card every time somebody mentions isk farmers. Same damned thing happens when complex farming is talked about, and it irks me then too. I don't believe anybody in here is stupid enough to be seriously saying that Chinese = "professional ratter"; rather, it is a simple, easily observable fact that the vast majority of encountered "professional ratters" appear to be Chinese. I am fully confident that there are plenty of Chinese players who have nothing to do with that detestable pastime, although if we're going to be sticklers for the rules they probably should be on Serenity. Anyways, Mr. Xelas Gentleman, don't get your causes and effects mixed up. ------ Director, No Quarter "There is no problem that cannot be solved by the judicious application of violence."
UGWidowmaker Caldari Setenta Corp Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.21 19:06:00 - [129] Racism! i simply dont like it... i dont care where a person is from, if he/she is breaking the EUAL petition them. we pay ccp each month, im sure they too wanna ban them. now lets move along. is ccp having favorism on the forums ?
Cadiz Caldari No Quarter. Vae Victis.	Posted - 2007.05.21 19:11:00 - [130] Originally by: UGWidowmaker Racism! i simply dont like it... i dont care where a person is from, if he/she is breaking the EUAL petition them. we pay ccp each month, im sure they too wanna ban them. now lets move along. Racism is the difference between "he is an idiot and happens to be a Canadian" versus "he is an idiot because he is a Canadian". It is productive to discourse if you recognize that. ------ Director, No Quarter "There is no problem that cannot be solved by the judicious application of violence."
UGWidowmaker Caldari Setenta Corp Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.21 19:15:00 - [131] its producktive to petition. we all hate the so called ebay isk sellers. but that debate is on another lvl than this turned into... im sure u agree is ccp having favorism on the forums ?
Mitch Taylor Caldari Dark-Rising Fallen Souls	Posted - 2007.05.21 21:28:00 - [132] Originally by: Faceless Pokemon I see your mental abilities almost match your FC'in skills Dark-Rising
Betvina	Posted - 2007.05.21 22:52:00 - [133] Hm, let's see now. People with suspicious names flying Ravens in empty systems? Check. Logging off or SS+cloaking within seconds of a hostile entering? Check. Haven't been sighted speaking English? Check. lol ISK farmers
Kerosene Caldari Fun Inc Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2007.05.22 01:50:00 - [134] All through the northern regions and down through Vale there are Ravens with 5.0 sec status, nonsensical names with cloaks. In the last 6 hours I've had no less than 12 cloak on me. I've even caught two of them having a conversation in pinyin. I know enough to see that Xelas are now the lowest alliance in the game recruiting deliberately people who we've ALL been fighting against ever since we first noticed them. They have no honour and they have no respect. __ I really don't need BoB propaganda here any more. Let's embrace yiffy.

Kreul Intentions Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2007.05.22 04:23:00 - [135] This has gone on long enough. Locking due to trolling, flaming, accusations, allegations and the list goes on. If you have an issue with any allegations, please file an ingame petition. Thank you. forum rules \| [email protected]


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