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Tyrana McBitch Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 33	Posted - 2017.06.14 23:20:43 - [31] - Quote I agree. I have done some events, that are suppost to be doable by an alpha. However, the site were always lost to t2 - t3 ships. Insane.
Coralas Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 165	Posted - 2017.06.15 02:02:00 - [32] - Quote Rexxar Santaro wrote: IGÇÖm using a GÇ£Armor Tanked and Kitting VexGÇ¥ upset is 3 blasters and a Drone Link Augmentor while downset is Damage Control II + Repairer + 3xDrone Damage Amplifiers II. The midset is completely engineering stuff. The point is I have good skills on ship and weapons for my home world Minmatar stuff and, moreover, high skills for frigates, BC and BS only. Due to this my lvl III Vex is the best Cruiser for low-sec expeditions currently. I can push dps up with skills on blasters and Medium T2 drones, but I miss GÇÿem. Therefore, I not buying Gila also. The stratios, which is a droneboat, is superior to most other ships for this, because you can run around lowsec with an extremely low risk of losing your ship to a camp and farm uncontested swarms to your hearts content. I have found 12 accelerators in 2 trips doing this along with 4 plex and lots of skins. Also as the value falls out of the market for all the things that drop, and the collectors get all their skins, it willl become trivial for newbeans to get uncontested ones to get their accelerators. Realistically you just need to find one accelerator every 40 hours or so, the rest is gravy. Lastly, you will also find that the swarms may stack up in some systems, and people won't be contesting you because they won't be there. Figuring out why this is an observable phenomenon will help you in the long term if you ever want to run exploration content, ie learning how to find where signatures and anomolies go is a good thing.
sun Tszu Church of DoG 0	Posted - 2017.06.15 11:02:47 - [33] - Quote IMHO they need to make this event more like a thunderdrome. Once you start the fight all others are locked out of the arena. That way you dont have some lowlife coming in and taking away what you started working for. (but I showed him I switched safety off and blew him up .. and then of course got ganked by the concords ) but at least no one won that round.
Scott Tracy Perkone Caldari State 0	Posted - 2017.06.15 11:37:28 - [34] - Quote In patch note for Thursday it says loot tables for this event have been tweaked sounds good
Sarina Aideron Aideron Corp 41	Posted - 2017.06.15 12:21:27 - [35] - Quote These sites get farmed so hard, its crazy I just tried to do a site, in a remote system in Minmatar space. I cleared the first wave, then a Confessor, Ashimu, Gila and a Proteus warped it. The sites might be for Alphas, but there are hordes of Omegas in blinged ships, doing the sites in like 2 min. I haven't seen a single Alpha (T1) ship in these sites, but all kinds of Omega ships. Even a Lachesis lol
Nana Skalski Taisaanat Kotei 35183	Posted - 2017.06.15 12:24:06 - [36] - Quote For every Alpha account it must be really dishartening when he seen how he have not a chance with everyone in Omega clone. Maybe only when he would steal the spoils and quicly warp out in warp stabbed with some tanking mods that give a ton of hp. ß¦çß¦áß¦ç-Ç-Å ß¦ÿß¦Ç-Çß¦¢ ß¦Å-ô ß¦Ç +óß¦Çß¦ìß¦ç -£ß¦ç-ƒß¦ÿs ß¦¢ß¦Å ß¦¢ß¦ç-ƒ-ƒ ß¦Ç sß¦¢ß¦Å-Ç-Å =ƒôò ß¦í-£ß¦ç-Çß¦ç +¬s ß¦Ç+¦+ó-Ç-Å ß¦äß¦Å+¦ß¦äß¦Å-Çß¦à +óß¦£-Å ß¦í-£ß¦ç+¦ -Åß¦Åß¦£ +¦ß¦çß¦çß¦à -£+¬ß¦ì ß¦Åsß¦ÿ-Çß¦ç-Å =ƒÜÇ GëíGïüGëí GÖÑ
Sarina Aideron Aideron Corp 41	Posted - 2017.06.15 12:29:55 - [37] - Quote Nana Skalski wrote: For every Alpha account it must be really dishartening when he see how he have not a chance with everyone in Omega clone. Maybe only when he would steal the spoils and quickly warp out in warp stabbed frigate with some tanking mods that give a ton of hp to not be oneshooted. Yea. The message to them is basically: If you want to be competetive, you need to pay $$$.
April rabbit Mosquito Squadron The-Culture 26	Posted - 2017.06.15 13:01:38 - [38] - Quote Sarina Aideron wrote: Nana Skalski wrote: For every Alpha account it must be really dishartening when he see how he have not a chance with everyone in Omega clone. Maybe only when he would steal the spoils and quickly warp out in warp stabbed frigate with some tanking mods that give a ton of hp to not be oneshooted. Yea. The message to them is basically: If you want to be competetive, you need to pay $$$. Well... EvE is not 'free 2 play' game. Alpha is only extended trial. Do not expect equal power of Alpha and Omega players. This will kill the game very fast.
sun Tszu Church of DoG 2	Posted - 2017.06.15 18:00:58 - [39] - Quote April rabbit wrote: Sarina Aideron wrote: Nana Skalski wrote: For every Alpha account it must be really dishartening when he see how he have not a chance with everyone in Omega clone. Maybe only when he would steal the spoils and quickly warp out in warp stabbed frigate with some tanking mods that give a ton of hp to not be oneshooted. Yea. The message to them is basically: If you want to be competetive, you need to pay $$$. Well... EvE is not 'free 2 play' game. Alpha is only extended trial. Do not expect equal power of Alpha and Omega players. This will kill the game very fast. I dont think anyone is expecting Alpha and Omega to be the same but on the other hand if alpha cant get a fair shake then whats the point. LOL Ive already have had 3 friends who played awhile and said screw this 'pay to play' see you (I or at least my alt) was a sucker and bought 4 months omega..but Im really thinking after that Im gonna be done too. This rouge swarm just seems to be payout for the ppl that have been here the longest, it was alright before when you could actually run it without 2-4 ppl warping in and stealing the final kill, but now that thats happening I really dont see the point on wasting the time on it. just my $2isk.
Tipa Riot Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 3770	Posted - 2017.06.15 18:14:04 - [40] - Quote sun Tszu wrote: April rabbit wrote: Sarina Aideron wrote: Nana Skalski wrote: For every Alpha account it must be really dishartening when he see how he have not a chance with everyone in Omega clone. Maybe only when he would steal the spoils and quickly warp out in warp stabbed frigate with some tanking mods that give a ton of hp to not be oneshooted. Yea. The message to them is basically: If you want to be competetive, you need to pay $$$. Well... EvE is not 'free 2 play' game. Alpha is only extended trial. Do not expect equal power of Alpha and Omega players. This will kill the game very fast. I dont think anyone is expecting Alpha and Omega to be the same but on the other hand if alpha cant get a fair shake then whats the point. LOL Ive already have had 3 friends who played awhile and said screw this 'pay to play' see you (I or at least my alt) was a sucker and bought 4 months omega..but Im really thinking after that Im gonna be done too. This rouge swarm just seems to be payout for the ppl that have been here the longest, it was alright before when you could actually run it without 2-4 ppl warping in and stealing the final kill, but now that thats happening I really dont see the point on wasting the time on it. just my $2isk. I have the impression you are either trolling or just here to confirm your preconceived opinion. We see this often, but as an EvE player you need to think outside the box, because you almost always must outwit other real people to succeed. The environment & mechanics are very good balanced, the problem is not the Alpha status but your willingness to adapt and find a solution to a challenge. There are several solutions in this case. I'm my own NPC alt.

SurrenderMonkey Space Llama Industries 3225	Posted - 2017.06.15 18:25:24 - [41] - Quote This thread is silly. Get a few jumps away from major population centers and you can run the sites entirely uncontested. "Help, I'm bored with missions!" http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
Nana Skalski Taisaanat Kotei 35203	Posted - 2017.06.15 19:01:51 - [42] - Quote Anyone remembers how you could have completed sites just by being in them when somone else killed the trigger? And then you could have received some rewards in this SCOPE network event "shadow of serpent". Why they dont make a hybrid event that combines two things, easy missions and completion of many sites in long term that gives some rewards, and completion by participation? Is it so much to ask? ß¦çß¦áß¦ç-Ç-Å ß¦ÿß¦Ç-Çß¦¢ ß¦Å-ô ß¦Ç +óß¦Çß¦ìß¦ç -£ß¦ç-ƒß¦ÿs ß¦¢ß¦Å ß¦¢ß¦ç-ƒ-ƒ ß¦Ç sß¦¢ß¦Å-Ç-Å =ƒôò ß¦í-£ß¦ç-Çß¦ç +¬s ß¦Ç+¦+ó-Ç-Å ß¦äß¦Å+¦ß¦äß¦Å-Çß¦à +óß¦£-Å ß¦í-£ß¦ç+¦ -Åß¦Åß¦£ +¦ß¦çß¦çß¦à -£+¬ß¦ì ß¦Åsß¦ÿ-Çß¦ç-Å =ƒÜÇ GëíGïüGëí GÖÑ
sun Tszu Church of DoG 5	Posted - 2017.06.15 19:59:23 - [43] - Quote Tipa Riot wrote: sun Tszu wrote: April rabbit wrote: Sarina Aideron wrote: Nana Skalski wrote: For every Alpha account it must be really dishartening when he see how he have not a chance with everyone in Omega clone. Maybe only when he would steal the spoils and quickly warp out in warp stabbed frigate with some tanking mods that give a ton of hp to not be oneshooted. Yea. The message to them is basically: If you want to be competetive, you need to pay $$$. Well... EvE is not 'free 2 play' game. Alpha is only extended trial. Do not expect equal power of Alpha and Omega players. This will kill the game very fast. I dont think anyone is expecting Alpha and Omega to be the same but on the other hand if alpha cant get a fair shake then whats the point. LOL Ive already have had 3 friends who played awhile and said screw this 'pay to play' see you (I or at least my alt) was a sucker and bought 4 months omega..but Im really thinking after that Im gonna be done too. This rouge swarm just seems to be payout for the ppl that have been here the longest, it was alright before when you could actually run it without 2-4 ppl warping in and stealing the final kill, but now that thats happening I really dont see the point on wasting the time on it. just my $2isk. I have the impression you are either trolling or just here to confirm your preconceived opinion. We see this often, but as an EvE player you need to think outside the box, because you almost always must outwit other real people to succeed. The environment & mechanics are very good balanced, the problem is not the Alpha status but your willingness to adapt and find a solution to a challenge. There are several solutions in this case. This in not a troll. Its my general impression of the game event as a relatively new player. So enlighten us as to what those solutions might be? Im curious how you would go about handling the situation as a new omega clone in a gnosis? I myself have no problem handling the swarm alone, the problem is the crusty old timers coming in and taking away the prize. I personally have a set of ethic's that prevent me from 'stealing' the prize from another player. So like I said why dont you enlighten us new players so that we may gain some insight?
SurrenderMonkey Space Llama Industries 3227	Posted - 2017.06.15 20:01:19 - [44] - Quote sun Tszu wrote: I personally have a set of ethic's that prevent me from 'stealing' from another prize. Well, there's your problem, right there. "Help, I'm bored with missions!" http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
sun Tszu Church of DoG 5	Posted - 2017.06.15 20:07:03 - [45] - Quote SurrenderMonkey wrote: sun Tszu wrote: I personally have a set of ethic's that prevent me from 'stealing' from another prize. Well, there's your problem, right there. LOL well you have a point there. Apparently ethics are a long lost myth on the internet anymore. My bad for being old!
SurrenderMonkey Space Llama Industries 3228	Posted - 2017.06.15 20:10:47 - [46] - Quote sun Tszu wrote: SurrenderMonkey wrote: sun Tszu wrote: I personally have a set of ethic's that prevent me from 'stealing' from another prize. Well, there's your problem, right there. LOL well you have a point there. Apparently ethics are a long lost myth on the internet anymore. My bad for being old! Well, no, that's not really it. It's not about ethics and "the internet", it's about ethics and Eve. You're assigning an ethical value to a normal facet of gameplay. If you sat down to play Monopoly and pulled the "Bank Error In Your Favor" card, would you return the $200 to the bank because you've been undeservedly enriched by the bank's error, and it would be unethical for you to keep it? "Help, I'm bored with missions!" http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
sun Tszu Church of DoG 5	Posted - 2017.06.15 20:23:48 - [47] - Quote SurrenderMonkey wrote: sun Tszu wrote: SurrenderMonkey wrote: sun Tszu wrote: I personally have a set of ethic's that prevent me from 'stealing' from another prize. Well, there's your problem, right there. LOL well you have a point there. Apparently ethics are a long lost myth on the internet anymore. My bad for being old! Well, no, that's not really it. It's not about ethics and "the internet", it's about ethics and Eve. You're assigning an ethical value to a normal facet of gameplay. If you sat down to play Monopoly and pulled the "Bank Error In Your Favor" card, would you return the $200 to the bank because you've been undeservedly enriched by the bank's error, and it would be unethical for you to keep it? Yes and yes but I dont play Monopoly. In my way to many years on this earth I have learned 1 thing ethics are ethics be it in real life or a board game etc. You either have them or you dont and IMHO there are more and more on this planet that are severely lacking them. But now we're drifting way off subject from the original topic.
SurrenderMonkey Space Llama Industries 3229	Posted - 2017.06.15 20:32:01 - [48] - Quote sun Tszu wrote: SurrenderMonkey wrote: sun Tszu wrote: SurrenderMonkey wrote: sun Tszu wrote: I personally have a set of ethic's that prevent me from 'stealing' from another prize. Well, there's your problem, right there. LOL well you have a point there. Apparently ethics are a long lost myth on the internet anymore. My bad for being old! Well, no, that's not really it. It's not about ethics and "the internet", it's about ethics and Eve. You're assigning an ethical value to a normal facet of gameplay. If you sat down to play Monopoly and pulled the "Bank Error In Your Favor" card, would you return the $200 to the bank because you've been undeservedly enriched by the bank's error, and it would be unethical for you to keep it? Yes and yes but I dont play Monopoly. I feel like you're misunderstanding something about the nature of analogies. Do you refuse to shoot NPCs? Killing is generally regarded as fairly unethical. Sure, you might be defending yourself in some cases, but you probably didn't HAVE to warp into that pirate anomaly or take that security mission, right? I mean hell, even these Rogue Swarm drones are likely sentient. I haven't seen them out and about bothering anyone, they're just chilling in their little pocket, not bothering anyone at all and then you roll in and start blowing the place to bits, and for what? A shot at a cheap palette swap and some performance enhancing drugs? And then you want to draw the line at picking up the resulting goods when someone else did a slightly better job at the whole drone-murder thing? "Help, I'm bored with missions!" http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
Nana Skalski Taisaanat Kotei 35206	Posted - 2017.06.15 20:35:53 - [49] - Quote These NPCs are evil, so our actions are justified. ß¦çß¦áß¦ç-Ç-Å ß¦ÿß¦Ç-Çß¦¢ ß¦Å-ô ß¦Ç +óß¦Çß¦ìß¦ç -£ß¦ç-ƒß¦ÿs ß¦¢ß¦Å ß¦¢ß¦ç-ƒ-ƒ ß¦Ç sß¦¢ß¦Å-Ç-Å =ƒôò ß¦í-£ß¦ç-Çß¦ç +¬s ß¦Ç+¦+ó-Ç-Å ß¦äß¦Å+¦ß¦äß¦Å-Çß¦à +óß¦£-Å ß¦í-£ß¦ç+¦ -Åß¦Åß¦£ +¦ß¦çß¦çß¦à -£+¬ß¦ì ß¦Åsß¦ÿ-Çß¦ç-Å =ƒÜÇ GëíGïüGëí GÖÑ
SurrenderMonkey Space Llama Industries 3229	Posted - 2017.06.15 20:44:41 - [50] - Quote Nana Skalski wrote: These NPCs are evil, so our actions are justified. There's probably a stronger case that the empires are evil (especially Amarr) than most of the pirate factions. "Help, I'm bored with missions!" http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/

Rexxar Santaro Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 32	Posted - 2017.06.15 21:23:32 - [51] - Quote DAY 3 Now itGÇÖs possible to run these drone sites by Alpha Clones and other low skilled capsuleers. Compared to the first day, huh, itGÇÖs much easy now. You can get a Destroyer lvl 3 or a Cruiser lvl 1-2. With DPS between 90-150 you have enough time to clear the site before somebody will invade your site. Just stay away from the tract. Try Amarrian regions (Genesis, Domain, Tash-Murkon, Devoid), because I heard the Caldari remain very contesting (especially The Forge). The Minmatar regions remain enough GÇ£intensiveGÇ¥ with rng free spots. A frigate can do the job, but it must be well pumped. Anyway, a BS boss youGÇÖll not crack probably, so donGÇÖt waste time on him. BTW, from the BS bosses I got the worst loot in Hi-Sec (no boosters). The best loot was from a cruiser: 1 PLEX, 1Rister SKIN and a Booster. Interesting, who got a drone BPC and what kind? Keep goingGÇª
Boni d'Age Big Blue Test Icicles 0	Posted - 2017.06.15 21:50:09 - [52] - Quote Amarr area is also still pretty contested especialy neer trash..
Ion Kirst KIRSTONE ALLIANCE 270	Posted - 2017.06.15 23:15:26 - [53] - Quote I like the contested sites. This old bitter vet loves swooping in, in the middle, or at the end, of one of these swarms. Hey, the prize is only for the one who wins it. I ran a few Guardians and won 31/33 contests. Just about all of them had all types of ships plucking away, pitiful. This Rogue Swarm is turning out even easier. Of the 6 sites I entered, there were anywhere from 3-5 others. I won 6 times. (this reply is to fire some of you people up) I come in with my Golem, 3 Sensor boosters, 2 MGC, and a TP. I one shoot everything. When the boss appears, he's mine. I can target him in about 3 s. Hey, it aint bragging if you can do it. After he's mine, I put a tractor on him and reel him in. Some guy in a frigate (really a frigate in one of these swarms?), tried to run down and steal the wreck on the tractor beam. I should have let him take it, and as he did I'd pop him before he could escape. (got a warp disrupter too just for that) Only way to beat this Golem is to bring something that has some alpha. Oh sure, a destroyer can clear a site, if he's the only one there. You have to set your ship up to target fast, deliver the damage, and take the prize. Now it would be fun, if a couple of other Golems or equal ships and I, were all to get into one of these swarms, at the same time. Then it would be a real contest. If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch. -Kirst PS Maybe I'll kill the boss, and then turn the wreck blue. I wonder how long it will take for anyone to notice. ( oh, now he's just rubbing it in our face.) Always remember Tovil-Toba, and what was done there.
Tipa Riot Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 3770	Posted - 2017.06.16 07:55:24 - [54] - Quote sun Tszu wrote: So like I said why dont you enlighten us new players so that we may gain some insight? I and others have done already, just read the posts in this thread! I'm my own NPC alt.
Gregorius Goldstein Ze One Man Show 2608	Posted - 2017.06.16 08:53:32 - [55] - Quote Rexxar Santaro wrote: IGÇÖm using a GÇ£Armor Tanked and Kitting VexGÇ¥ That is like the opposite of what I am using. Try the Thorax. The Thorax is the perfect T1 Cruiser for this event as it sports the two Boni that are best for the Drone Nests. Tracking speed to hit them and damage bonus for higher chances with the pot shots. And get a Sensor booster! Even if you fly uncontested sites it will help a lot. And webs for better aplication. TL,dr: Blaster+Web+Sensor Booster = kill Drones faster.
Nana Skalski Taisaanat Kotei 35219	Posted - 2017.06.16 09:02:17 - [56] - Quote What you were saying? I cant hear you over this buzzing coming from all those rogue swarm nests in this remote high sec system. ß¦çß¦áß¦ç-Ç-Å ß¦ÿß¦Ç-Çß¦¢ ß¦Å-ô ß¦Ç +óß¦Çß¦ìß¦ç -£ß¦ç-ƒß¦ÿs ß¦¢ß¦Å ß¦¢ß¦ç-ƒ-ƒ ß¦Ç sß¦¢ß¦Å-Ç-Å =ƒôò ß¦í-£ß¦ç-Çß¦ç +¬s ß¦Ç+¦+ó-Ç-Å ß¦äß¦Å+¦ß¦äß¦Å-Çß¦à +óß¦£-Å ß¦í-£ß¦ç+¦ -Åß¦Åß¦£ +¦ß¦çß¦çß¦à -£+¬ß¦ì ß¦Åsß¦ÿ-Çß¦ç-Å =ƒÜÇ GëíGïüGëí GÖÑ
Gimme Sake State War Academy Caldari State 603	Posted - 2017.06.16 09:09:04 - [57] - Quote sun Tszu wrote: SurrenderMonkey wrote: sun Tszu wrote: SurrenderMonkey wrote: sun Tszu wrote: I personally have a set of ethic's that prevent me from 'stealing' from another prize. Well, there's your problem, right there. LOL well you have a point there. Apparently ethics are a long lost myth on the internet anymore. My bad for being old! Well, no, that's not really it. It's not about ethics and "the internet", it's about ethics and Eve. You're assigning an ethical value to a normal facet of gameplay. If you sat down to play Monopoly and pulled the "Bank Error In Your Favor" card, would you return the $200 to the bank because you've been undeservedly enriched by the bank's error, and it would be unethical for you to keep it? Yes and yes but I dont play Monopoly. In my way to many years on this earth I have learned 1 thing ethics are ethics be it in real life or a board game etc. You either have them or you dont and IMHO there are more and more on this planet that are severely lacking them. They feel just because they're not a real person on the net, there is no reason to follow any standard moral code. But now we're drifting way off subject from the original topic. Consider it a sport in which the goal is to shoot that final spawn. If you can't do it alone team up, the game offers you this option. Also, don't expect to win each time. When it comes about isk everyone becomes suddenly ethical. Remember it is only a game. Perhaps the world is a bad place because people asociate only financial profit with ethics? "Never not blob!" ~ Plato
Nana Skalski Taisaanat Kotei 35219	Posted - 2017.06.16 09:13:51 - [58] - Quote Wealth inequality is the common cause for revolutions and protests in New Eden. ß¦çß¦áß¦ç-Ç-Å ß¦ÿß¦Ç-Çß¦¢ ß¦Å-ô ß¦Ç +óß¦Çß¦ìß¦ç -£ß¦ç-ƒß¦ÿs ß¦¢ß¦Å ß¦¢ß¦ç-ƒ-ƒ ß¦Ç sß¦¢ß¦Å-Ç-Å =ƒôò ß¦í-£ß¦ç-Çß¦ç +¬s ß¦Ç+¦+ó-Ç-Å ß¦äß¦Å+¦ß¦äß¦Å-Çß¦à +óß¦£-Å ß¦í-£ß¦ç+¦ -Åß¦Åß¦£ +¦ß¦çß¦çß¦à -£+¬ß¦ì ß¦Åsß¦ÿ-Çß¦ç-Å =ƒÜÇ GëíGïüGëí GÖÑ
LUBI MOJA Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2017.06.16 13:24:30 - [59] - Quote sun Tszu wrote: This in not a troll. Its my general impression of the game event as a relatively new player. So enlighten us as to what those solutions might be? Im curious how you would go about handling the situation as a new omega clone in a gnosis? I myself have no problem handling the swarm alone, the problem is the crusty old timers coming in and taking away the prize. I personally have a set of ethic's that prevent me from 'stealing' the prize from another player. So like I said why dont you enlighten us new players so that we may gain some insight? Except the prize is not yours or others. Everyone can participate in this event, because this event is public, available to everyone. You can't steal something that is public, game decides who did most dps and that person wins the prize, simple as that. This whole event is not only yours to take the prize, it's for everyone, not just alphas or not just for omegas. You can kill the whole site, but someone else will get the loot, because it's the last cruiser that matters, and that person who gets the cruiser is not stealing from you, but he won the prize, not you. When life gives you lemons, don't make lemonade, burn the house down, with lemons-üGäó
Rexxar Santaro Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 33	Posted - 2017.06.17 11:58:25 - [60] - Quote Day 5 Somebody still dispute that the Rogue Swarm event is fair and competitive.


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