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lusifar	Posted - 2007.05.17 22:54:00 - [1] i was sitting here doing some missions, and it hit me. why do i play this game.. why is it that i keep comming back to this game... and in the end the main reason is "real time skills". i can be afk and still feel i am moving my cherectar forward, if it wasnt for this there is so many other games with a much more exciting gameplay and pvp system... kind of made me sad to think that This was my main reason.. had hoped i could say "BUT OFCOUSE, the missions are so EXCITING and there are so much differend to do and it all is such fun..." or "but the pvp system is just perfect and i can do pvp and try my skills out against other players:D"... or something... but mainly the missions are even worse then games like Ryl2, wow, l2 etc, here its not go out kill X of these to get me x of this. no its go there and kill everything.. (yer i know there is other type of missions but they are just like any other game, although in other games there is a more diversity on them)... then there is the pvp: well the pvp.. yer it have been up so many times, but basically, find a gang and hope you got the most people, and jump around untill you find a easy pray. or gatechamp for hours hoping somebodi jumps in and get ganked... thats all there is to pvp here... the industrial part is as good as fully AFK gaming, with like 2-5% of gaming and rest just waiting... so yer....... but what is it that makes YOU come back...`? you found the light of EVE yet?
Spoon Thumb Khanid Aerospace Group Khanid Provincial Authority	Posted - 2007.05.17 23:04:00 - [2] Industry takes a lot of skill and time! All that hauling can't be done afk. All those negotiating tricky mineral contracts can't be done idleing in station. And ofc. me answering all these forum posts soooo isn't proof of what you're saying. Back on topic: I find Eve challenging and I like interacting with others. Basically Eve was the first MMO I tried and I've stuck with it Khaldari Research Services KPA Recruiting!
Domitianvs Amarr Virginia Mining Institute	Posted - 2007.05.17 23:04:00 - [3] What keeps me playing Eve? it would have to be all of the late night Cyber with all of the hot chicks in the game...
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.05.17 23:07:00 - [4] Originally by: Domitianvs What keeps me playing Eve? it would have to be all of the late night Cyber with all of the hot chicks in the game... I hate to break it to you... But they're all men. --23 Member-- Listen to EVE-Trance Radio!
Blind Man Kemono.	Posted - 2007.05.17 23:07:00 - [5] i play this game because i have invested too much into it to leave
Petrothian Tong Gallente	Posted - 2007.05.17 23:11:00 - [6] no grinding (well for SP anyways, used to grind for isk.. thats before invention and T2 production... mwahahhahaa.. and no, I build where I sell, they dont leave station so no use ganking me...) that you can molest people freely in low sec/0.0 (and high sec too... ) but yeah, I just feel at home you know... that my char is me... none of the other game makes my char feels unqiue.... -Siggi- ""PvP" isn't only direct person to person combat, it can be very indirect. Selling an item on the market which somebody buys from you is resulting in another guy not getting a sale." Oveur
Spoon Thumb Khanid Aerospace Group Khanid Provincial Authority	Posted - 2007.05.17 23:13:00 - [7] Originally by: Blind Man i play this game because i have invested too much into it to leave yeah, that as well :P Khaldari Research Services KPA Recruiting!
VanNostrum Cataphract Securities Storm Armada	Posted - 2007.05.17 23:13:00 - [8] the void pulls me into it
Sixtyniner 5th Avenue	Posted - 2007.05.17 23:22:00 - [9] The freedom to do whatever you want, and the fact that it is almost completely player driver.
Lexang	Posted - 2007.05.17 23:27:00 - [10] pretty ships.
lusifar	Posted - 2007.05.17 23:29:00 - [11] Originally by: Blind Man i play this game because i have invested too much into it to leave hehe yer. something like that right;) thanks all for the answers.. pls keep em comming and more like the first, with some exsplanation maybe :) Ps: hauling is mainly afk, from a to b, and a to b for contract is afk. mining is 80% afk in high sec and 20% in 0.0 (meaning your not really doing anything but maybe look every 3minutes). produce is 5minutes of setting something up then X-days of waiting, same with research, (yer you have to wait x days for the skills, but this is really alsow afk work) so industrial is almost afk work;) although hopefully some one makes more play out of it then actually needed.
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2007.05.17 23:35:00 - [12] It's space man. Also Known As
jilahed	Posted - 2007.05.17 23:36:00 - [13] What i love about this game is that people like you don't understand it and eventually get frustrated and leave. Unfortunately not before starting a few threads that ultimately intent to turn this game into wow. I'd call that collateral damage.
cheru Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.05.17 23:36:00 - [14] Originally by: lusifar i was sitting here doing some missions, and it hit me. why do i play this game.. Yeah, the exact same question comes to my mind too each time I do some missions... ;D What makes me come back is my addiction to "the shakes", which I get most if I roam/fight solo against the odds (not in a throwaway ship). ................................................. been there done that
Mogrin Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2007.05.17 23:36:00 - [15] Blow sh*t up. Just wish they'd fill out salvaging more, i'd love to have a junkyard store. _______________ Rokh vs. Hyperion
Dave White coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.05.17 23:41:00 - [16] I have no freakin' idea anymore. I just do CORA. Killboard Personal Killboard
Bekka Jae Gallente Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.05.17 23:42:00 - [17] Edited by: Bekka Jae on 17/05/2007 23:41:22 Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Domitianvs What keeps me playing Eve? it would have to be all of the late night Cyber with all of the hot chicks in the game... I hate to break it to you... But they're all men. Not all, just something like 97%...but women with any kind of class generally don't cyber...and if we do, we don't do it with men. My EVE Blog: Just A Girl And Her Thorax
Jmanis Catharg Caldari Dusk Blade	Posted - 2007.05.17 23:53:00 - [18] I got asked what am I going to do when I get more money (being an indy), and described the process of purchasing more BPOs etc, manufacturing more etc, then got asked 'But what else besides re-invest into your production, after all that what are you going to do?',, I said I'll fly a titan, which, regardless of your trade, is the goal everyone aspires to eventually. Why else do you need money?
Miss Anthropy School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2007.05.17 23:54:00 - [19] I play EVE because my mum makes me. She'll hurt me if I don't. Dude, where's my face?
Necrosmith Gallente Eth3real 3asy Company	Posted - 2007.05.17 23:56:00 - [20] Originally by: Bekka Jae ...but women with any kind of class generally don't cyber...and if we do, we don't do it with men. The temperature on the Eve-o forums just climbed a couple degrees.. Best Regards, --Necro ------------- "Isk is cheap. Life is cheaper. This week, they're having a sale on both."
Wrayeth Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.05.17 23:56:00 - [21] Edited by: Wrayeth on 18/05/2007 00:01:19 Originally by: Blind Man i play this game because i have invested too much into it to leave So true. I used to absolutely love the game, but then changes to both the game mechanics and the makeup of the playerbase resulted in never being able to fight anyone without 5286 of that person's closest friends showing up. EVE became blobtastic, and it hasn't been much fun since. Moreover, people used to play this game for FUN, not just to win. You'd see evenly matched enemies going at it until one side was left standing, but now people have applied real world warfare takes to EVE across the board. This means most people never engage unless they're certain of success or unless losing will provide some advantage (i.e. diversionary tactics). This results in combat having evolved to nothing but ganking; people are playing to win at the cost of the fun involved in the process of getting there. -Wrayeth n00b Extraordinaire "Look, pa! I just contributed absolutely nothing to this thread!"
smashsmash	Posted - 2007.05.18 00:09:00 - [22] i play eve so i can put it on my resume. everyone around here knows it takes a lot of skills to play eve. ker-chunk!
Satori xxx Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.18 00:15:00 - [23] I began playing eve as my boyfriend and a lot of his friends were playing it at Lan centre, i got interested in the graphics and i've always been into games. The main reason im still here? The people in eve, eve isnt just a game its a complex society with lots of people who i adore talking to. Sure you get a lot of idiots,but generally most of the people who play eve are lovely :) The social aspect of eve is more important to me than anything :)
Khel'tar	Posted - 2007.05.18 00:30:00 - [24] Quite simply because EvE is hard. Effort is rewarded, and there are harsh consequences. You have to strive to do well or you get pwned. I find it pretty easy to beat nearly any game I play. I'm not the greatest gamer around, but I'm well above average. Paying $50 - $100 (or whatever) for a game that takes me a week or two to clock starts feeling like a waste. So paying $20 a month for something I can't beat, ever, is fine by me. Sure sometimes I lose interest, but I can always come back later, or try doing something else with my character or another one. The great thing is, even when I'm not playing my character is improving, so I'm not pressured to grind my char up to keep up with mates. I had a go at WoW, but got my character to lvl 40 something, got bored and never played it again. I stopped playing eve for 8 months or so, but I came back in the end. -- Acura, the best stats. Pity it had to be caldari. Gallente 4tw.
Serevance	Posted - 2007.05.18 01:46:00 - [25] There's just too much to do ingame, i'm mainly into R&D, manu and it takes a lot of time and effort to get where I want to be. Eve is just massive and there's always something to do and somewhere to go. I have done most eve things besides capital ships and I don't think i'll be doing that for a very long time. I still want to do more exploration, but i'm waiting for the bug fixes and respawns to work before commioting hours to chasing ghosts. There's hacking/archeology, invention to play with atm which is fun in some parts (mods), but freaking frustating in others (ships) . My 'light' in eve is diversity, when bored or feeling down your probably not playing the game, just getting stuck in bad habbits.
Sheriff Jones Amarr Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War	Posted - 2007.05.18 02:49:00 - [26] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Domitianvs What keeps me playing Eve? it would have to be all of the late night Cyber with all of the hot chicks in the game... I hate to break it to you... But they're all men. Except for that Dark Shikari or something...that's one hot tomato
Korizan Oort Cloud Industries	Posted - 2007.05.18 03:11:00 - [27] Watching my corp wonder around the endless 0.0 space using a titan as a home base. Mining and Ratting a different system every night then moving on. A giant roving fleet with nothing better to do. Occassionly going to high sec to sell or visiting the local 0.0 alliance to sell to them. OH wait that is a just a dream Ah but what a wonderful dream it is Sorry but that is my idea of 0.0 mining
Dazmo Corse Minmatar Fun Inc Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2007.05.18 03:20:00 - [28] I don't play this game, this game plays me. Plays me like a damn fool too. ________________________________________________________________________ Yadda Yadda Yadda Blah Blah Blah
Tellenta White-Noise	Posted - 2007.05.18 03:23:00 - [29] I was sitting around watching TV.. someone itroduced me to EQ2, much better than watching TV. Got bored with EQ2 wandered aimlessly in the MMO market for afew months. Played DDO got to "end game" in 2 weeks and fantasy roleplaying aint my thing. stumbled across a free 2 week trial for eve, tried it out and 1 week into my 2 week trial i had purchsed the game and been hooked ever since. I cheated on Eve with Vanguard because my friends from EQ2 convinced me to... yeah that lasted 4 days. PvP is great fun most of the time is straight gank, but every once in a while you stumble across an even fight and coming out on top from one of those feels good. however dont try to make pvp decisions while drunk, find someone to tell you what to do
Static Mod	Posted - 2007.05.18 03:36:00 - [30] I play this game to make ISK.. to buy more faction gear/ ships to fly around in empire.
Treher Minmatar Infinity Enterprises Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.05.18 04:24:00 - [31] My vote = real time skill training. It's one hell of a gimmick! ______________________________________________________ I forget which station container has my memory implants.
fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.18 07:19:00 - [32] The teamplay factor is probably my biggest attraction. BoB vs the coalition of family values
lordopic	Posted - 2007.05.18 07:38:00 - [33] ItÆs the closest game I have found to Elite, just wish I had taken peoples advice and come over earlier.( like 2/3 ago )
Moneyspinner	Posted - 2007.05.18 08:02:00 - [34] Edited by: Moneyspinner on 18/05/2007 08:01:29 Sorry to say but, EvE is just an expensive IRC program to me now. I enjoyed playing EvE because there was endless things to do, but once you have done them all, theres not much else to do unless you repeativly do the same thing over & over. I`m sure when new content is added I might just get back into the game again or find some new targets to reach. The reason I`m still here ? Is the fact I have put in over 2 years of skill training & as said, use it as an IRC to talk to some RL friends on here. EvE is no fun, EvE is an addiction
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2007.05.18 08:07:00 - [35] The real time skill training is one of the reasons im planning to be here for a long, long time. It allows me to try lots of other games as well without losing much. Its a win-win situation both for ccp and all of us. For example, just taking the Battleship skill from IV to V takes more than a month. Perfect time to try another game in that time (and probably get sick of it just as quick). :) --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune
DarkFenix Caldari Pilots Of Honour	Posted - 2007.05.18 08:11:00 - [36] Eve's pvp (and the people I pvp with) is why I play. The OP clearly has absolutely no understanding of pvp, or at the very least has simply never been in a half decent pvp corp. During quiet times or when I'm simply sick of the game for a while, as Jim McGregor rightly points out, I can train a long skill, bugger off and play some other new shiny game that's just come out, then I come back in a month and I can fly some shiny new ship, or I've finally perfected my skills in another. The real time skill training combined with the sheer investment I've put into my character keeps me subbed even when inactive. Eve always pulls me back in before long.
Barbaro55a Caldari Os Lobos Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2007.05.18 08:41:00 - [37] The fantastic customer support i recieve when their are problems. .......................................... We come in peace - My sig and your sig would make cute baby sigs.
SiJira	Posted - 2007.05.18 08:48:00 - [38] because if i wasnt here i would be somewhere else asking the same question ____ __ ________ _sig below_ the jet cans are made so that people that dont mine can get free ore miners ritually donate the ore to anyone wishing to take some
Natasha Marx	Posted - 2007.05.18 09:00:00 - [39] Originally by: Barbaro55a The fantastic customer support i recieve when their are problems. lol
Badhands Gallente DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.05.18 09:39:00 - [40] Originally by: Moneyspinner Edited by: Moneyspinner on 18/05/2007 08:01:29 Sorry to say but, EvE is just an expensive IRC program to me now. ... EvE is no fun, EvE is an addiction QFT. .
Miss CJB Gallente In White Suits	Posted - 2007.05.18 10:41:00 - [41] i play eve for the greafing, i dk, i just get a kick out off knowing i've ****ed somebody off. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels and filesize of 24000 bytes -Taiatia ([email protected])
Ashermoor Caldari Royal Manticoran Navy	Posted - 2007.05.18 10:55:00 - [42] I always played Fantasy RPG online games as: Ultima online,Ragnarok,MU online,Knight Online,WoW,Lineage2 ...... after this i was looking for a change i think that Vanguard was the one but it was terrible mistake so i tried EvE online. I like scifi scenarios and this game looks good for PvP and Trading , then you can pay you month fee with ingame money. So it was sure shot snip Signiture is not eve related - hutch
Jacko21 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.05.18 11:01:00 - [43] Why do i play EvE? I use EVE as a big MSN with a buddy list chatting to friends on it and Teamspeak having a laff. Also I enjoy the PvP side and the chance to lose/kill something your real time has invested in. Jacko
Cheyenne Shadowborn Caldari Citizens of E.A.R.T.H. E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2007.05.18 11:04:00 - [44] Originally by: Blind Man i play this game because i have invested too much into it to leave Dito. That, and its a nice way to kill the time until GW2 -- CCP: PLEASE fix the forum software - thanks.
Cheyenne Shadowborn Caldari Citizens of E.A.R.T.H. E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2007.05.18 11:06:00 - [45] Originally by: Jacko21 Why do i play EvE? I use EVE as a big MSN with a buddy list chatting to friends on it and Teamspeak having a laff. If only after four years CCP would add (or even DISCUSS FFS) the most BASIC features of MSN, that also every other MMO has, such as a switch to set me visibly AFK -- CCP: PLEASE fix the forum software - thanks.
Qui Shon	Posted - 2007.05.18 11:48:00 - [46] Edited by: Qui Shon on 18/05/2007 11:51:10 Originally by: Khel'tar Quite simply because EvE is hard. Effort is rewarded, and there are harsh consequences. You have to strive to do well or you get pwned. I find it pretty easy to beat nearly any game I play. I'm not the greatest gamer around, but I'm well above average. Paying $50 - $100 (or whatever) for a game that takes me a week or two to clock starts feeling like a waste. I fully agree with the last sentence there. I generally play games until I have them "figured out". Only sims (racing & flying) and strategy (that's turnbased only) last more then a few weeks. I'm still under 3mill SP, and haven't really gotten into PVP yet. Gotta build me a nest egg first (the term may not translate to english?), and jumpclones, so i can afford losses. So I may be wrong in the following statement. Eve doesn't seem that hard to figure out. It's got a decent amount of complexity for an MMO but I'd like to see a LOT more. If I was to redesign a great space MMO from EVE I'd like to introduce enviromental effects of some form (for example gravity effects, radiation effects, sensor shadows etc), greatly increased logistics (first up would be the need for fuel, supplies etc for your ship, that's constant consumption for all ships, not just jumpfuel and not just for caps), a measure of uncharted moons, belts and maybe even planets. No local, and no forced gate travel. Gates could remain as a cheaper form of travel, but other options should be available. Bring scanning (alongside stealth) and the importance of it to a whole new level. So why do I play Eve? It's in space. It's got a decent character development system. I haven't figured everything out yet and I'm having fun getting there.
Aletheja The Syndicate Inc DeStInY.	Posted - 2007.05.18 11:57:00 - [47] I play this game because it allows me to talk to people all over the world.

Timmeh 2000 Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2007.05.18 12:01:00 - [48] Wait... There's a game behind these forums? Forum Rules \| E-mail Us \| Our Web \| Petition \| IGS Rules \| CAS Rules "Just when I thought that I was out they pull me back in." So, is it easy being green? -Elmo

Ovno ConSyquence Amarr The Plebians	Posted - 2007.05.18 12:54:00 - [49] Because its the closest thing we've got to online elite... And because of the whole emergent gameplay, player driven politics thing....
Bryg Philomena Green Lantern Corps	Posted - 2007.05.18 13:28:00 - [50] I play, because of the PVP, the chance I may lose my ship. I dont get in a gang and hope I have better numbers, in fact, I would often go solo against several targets at once. Also, it takes skills and stratagies, last night, I was engaging a myrmidon on a station. When he undocked I had to bump him off the station so he couldn't dock. You described PvP as a pure numbers game, in gate camps and lowsec. Try out a 1v1. Or maybe do an empire war. See how that goes. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=465618
Gariuys Evil Strangers Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.18 13:33:00 - [51] Originally by: Jim McGregor The real time skill training is one of the reasons im planning to be here for a long, long time. It allows me to try lots of other games as well without losing much. Its a win-win situation both for ccp and all of us. For example, just taking the Battleship skill from IV to V takes more than a month. Perfect time to try another game in that time (and probably get sick of it just as quick). :) Think that's one of my reasons as well. EVE is quite friendly on the RL. You can leave without feeling that your character suffers or is left behind. Other reason is the time already invested. And ofcourse the adrenaline you get from standing too lose a lot when you go... poof.
Sinder Ohm Infinite Improbability Inc Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.05.18 13:34:00 - [52] Because it is more fun than playing with my wife and this interactive screensaver comes with a free Jim McGregor. Originally by: Rawne Karrde PVP in EvE is consentual, you agree to it when you login. If you don't like it you're in the wrong game.
XenoPagan Khanid Provincial Vanguard Khanid Provincial Authority	Posted - 2007.05.18 14:50:00 - [53] Because eve has spaceships... online... online spaceships. and lots of them!
w0rmy Pringles Inc. YouWhat	Posted - 2007.05.18 14:52:00 - [54] Originally by: Sheriff Jones Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 18/05/2007 03:01:17 Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Domitianvs What keeps me playing Eve? it would have to be all of the late night Cyber with all of the hot chicks in the game... I hate to break it to you... But they're all men. Except for that Dark Shikari or something...that's one hot tomato She is pretty cute, but she talks to much to ever truely be desirable Originally by: CCP Oveur I'm very sorry w0rmy, I beg your forgiveness.
ArtemisEntreri Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2007.05.18 14:52:00 - [55] Because I can get richer than anyone by scamming and other griefing
Jason Marshall Hammer Of Light	Posted - 2007.05.18 14:54:00 - [56] I forgot who said it first....sorry to them...but it went something like this. I play eve because... 'Why would i sit on my ass and watch drama, when i can be sitting on my ass causing it.' Tacky Lensflares in sigs ftw
Fornacis Gallente hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.05.18 14:55:00 - [57] EvE has become a routine in my life. After work I come home log in and .... start EvE work. FFS....I'm a glutton for punishment I guess. In fact...now that I think about it I've been known to plan family vacations around Eve if something important was going down. What have to done to me! Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected])
Tutomech Infinite Development Consortium	Posted - 2007.05.18 15:15:00 - [58] + space and ships = spaceships great economy model skill learning system - Really boring mining. Too many %$#&@%ing AFK players. If you don't play, log off! But Eve is everything I looked for after Frontier Elite II. Well almost, except mining. -- signature --- Bah. Signatures suck.
Rhaegor Stormborn Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e	Posted - 2007.05.18 15:38:00 - [59] Player created content. The political and military stuff that makes up living in 0.0 space. Basically, it all comes to down to PvP.
Sheriff Jones Amarr Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War	Posted - 2007.05.18 15:52:00 - [60] Originally by: Timmeh 2000 Wait... There's a game behind these forums? Rumours and poppycok to be sure. Don't believe everything these people write "Oh there's this huge universe where people fight and trade and do stuff." Pshaw.
Vitrael Stormriders Fimbulwinter	Posted - 2007.05.18 16:25:00 - [61] I'm here for the kill. And I love that I can get it without being here 20 hours a week. ----------
wierchas noobhunter Celtic Anarchy Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.05.18 16:39:00 - [62] tbh i do it for my e-peen it feels good tbh
SirDregann IV Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2007.05.18 17:06:00 - [63] I can never seem to leave eve whatever happens :p I guess its the Community and the sheer possibilities eve thats different than other games
Nifel Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.18 17:20:00 - [64] Adrenaline rush. "When I die I want to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandpa. Not yelling and screaming like the passengers in his car." RKK Ranking: Sama
lusifar	Posted - 2007.05.18 17:22:00 - [65] thanks for all the replays, it gives abit to think about. i am happy to see that there was only one idiot amoungst all the replays (if people have read the whole thing they will know who), and that people actually tryid to tell what made them come to the game... the sad thing is, out of all of this i didn't see any one that had something big in there thoughts, like "i wanna be the best pvp", "wanna do something great inside the game" etc etc. all that seems to be going on is just laming, doing nothing really, just beeing there without perpose or reason... well just kind of sad, we have enough of the non perpose and reason, and the can't be optained" in RL... its a game, and it should be something where you can see a reason to log on to accomplis something, not just log on because you have nothing better to do or because its just something that grown on you... i am really looking forwood to see what they have done when the full exspansion have come... hopefully it will bring in some reason for beeing there, and removing the blob warfacer and making it so there is a reason to take on players 1-2-3V1 and not just as many as possible V 1. well nice to know that i am not the only one just floting around without reason
Maxpie Cross Roads	Posted - 2007.05.18 18:42:00 - [66] Because my overlords require me to mine 23 hours per day so they can sell isk. Just kidding. Because you are a person in this universe. Your actions affect things. Your reputation is out there. Makes it more than just a 1 player game that happens to have other people playing it, like most other mmo's. This is also why I do not use alts. He put... creatures... in our bodies... to control our minds. He made us... say lies... do things.

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