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LittleTerror
Caldari
kleptomaniacs
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Posted - 2007.05.17 22:59:00 -
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I'm sick and tierd of people just docking when they see a threat in local, either nerf local or stop people from warping to 0 meters with stations and then at the same time stop people making bookmarks near stations. Gates I can understand but insta docking is just stupid stupid stupid... Its not gonna happen, you warp and instantly dock at a large structure is it? |
jimmyjam
Turbulent
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Posted - 2007.05.17 23:02:00 -
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Not going to happend,but then again i just wait for the target to undock or i just move on.
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Petrothian Tong
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.05.17 23:13:00 -
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I would say nerf local... much more fun... =P
-Siggi-
""PvP" isn't only direct person to person combat, it can be very indirect. Selling an item on the market which somebody buys from you is resulting in another guy not getting a sale." Oveur |
LittleTerror
Caldari
kleptomaniacs
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Posted - 2007.05.17 23:16:00 -
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 Originally by: Petrothian Tong
I would say nerf local... much more fun... =P
It could be nasty also but yeah I'd love it but would result in to much whining like in the past when they tryed it  |
Leikeze Mrotserif
coracao ardente
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.05.17 23:38:00 -
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DONT NERF LOCAL!! The pirats will kill my barge and take my t2 crystals!
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Jhonen Senraedi
Minmatar
Vaapad Shinobis
Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.05.18 00:10:00 -
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Originally by: LittleTerror
I'm sick and tierd of people just docking when they see a threat in local, either nerf local or stop people from warping to 0 meters with stations and then at the same time stop people making bookmarks near stations. Gates I can understand but insta docking is just stupid stupid stupid... Its not gonna happen, you warp and instantly dock at a large structure is it?
I almost killed myself laughing when I remebered a certain person and his then corpmates sitting within dock range of station in Aedald..and him in a cap ship too..
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jilahed
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Posted - 2007.05.18 00:14:00 -
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Originally by: LittleTerror
Originally by: Petrothian Tong
I would say nerf local... much more fun... =P
It could be nasty also but yeah I'd love it but would result in to much whining like in the past when they tryed it
Yeah, umm like the whining of "pirates" like you after the wtz patch? Don't get me wrong wtz is totally annoying and it caters to the carebear, but its done and won't be undone again. But how can you throw the good old adapt or die at a carebear-whiner when you make such posts? It's just not healthy for you little epeen, you know?
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Mr Jay
Armoured Assassins
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Posted - 2007.05.18 00:16:00 -
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Originally by: Leikeze Mrotserif
DONT NERF LOCAL!! The pirats will kill my barge and take my t2 crystals!
What he said 
This thread is now about cake. |
Ja'kar
Templar Securities and Holdings
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Posted - 2007.05.18 00:19:00 -
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Edited by: Ja''kar on 18/05/2007 00:18:47
I almost killed myself laughing when I remebered a certain person and his then corpmates sitting within dock range of station in Aedald..and him in a cap ship too..
and ur point is....
What has sitting on a station got to do with wto and insta dock, and before u shout lag, there was better ways to deal with lag, removing Bm's from game was a start, but wto was yet another blow to the 'hardcore' and 'player driven' enviorment that was eve online, into this wow in space clone...
OK carbears, trolls and arsekissers ur time to shine is here
Ur just falling into eve the online corporation, eve the game as I know is long goneā
Yes gets my vote...
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LittleTerror
Caldari
kleptomaniacs
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Posted - 2007.05.18 00:49:00 -
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Edited by: LittleTerror on 18/05/2007 00:47:55
Originally by: Jhonen Senraedi
Originally by: LittleTerror
I'm sick and tierd of people just docking when they see a threat in local, either nerf local or stop people from warping to 0 meters with stations and then at the same time stop people making bookmarks near stations. Gates I can understand but insta docking is just stupid stupid stupid... Its not gonna happen, you warp and instantly dock at a large structure is it?
I almost killed myself laughing when I remebered a certain person and his then corpmates sitting within dock range of station in Aedald..and him in a cap ship too..
I almost needed a doctor when I saw your corp/ALLIANCE name.
hahahah....... |
Jacob Castillo
Caldari
Copperhead Inc.
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Posted - 2007.05.18 01:11:00 -
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People would just make Instadock bookmarks like before. It wouldn't help much to remove WTZ.
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Ja'kar
Templar Securities and Holdings
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Posted - 2007.05.18 01:27:00 -
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People would just make Instadock bookmarks like before. It wouldn't help much to remove WTZ.
Just simply not let BM's be used around gates/stations
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Raelosk
Minmatar
Continuum Rift
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Posted - 2007.05.18 01:34:00 -
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What's the point in putting a BM on a station anyway? They show up on over view no matter how far away you are from them. Unless you take stations off overview . . . that just seems silly to me.
I just think every one needs to stop whining...period. Carebear and pirate alike.
WTZ is here to stay, I'm afraid.
Maybe the OP needs to move on to a new system/tactic if her potential marks are anticipating her appearance in Local?
If nothing within you stays rigid, outward things will disclose themselves. Moving, be like water. Still, be like a mirror. Respond like an echo. -- Bruce Lee, Tao of Jeet Kune |
Khel'tar
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Posted - 2007.05.18 01:40:00 -
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Yeah, that's a great idea. Let's change eve because you don't like something.
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Acura, the best stats. Pity it had to be caldari.
Gallente 4tw. |
LittleTerror
Caldari
kleptomaniacs
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Posted - 2007.05.18 01:56:00 -
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Edited by: LittleTerror on 18/05/2007 01:57:11
Originally by: Khel'tar
Yeah, that's a great idea. Let's change eve because you don't like something.
The point is simple, gates are for traveling, but it use to be 15km unless you had a bookmark and if you did you contributed to the destruction of the server, So it got changed into warp to 0, it use to be random, but i donno i guess carebears always get there way and stamp their feet the hardest. Now its warp to 0 to every object yay !!! listen, we have adapted and we are sick of adapting, maybe you should not be so dumb, we don't just camp gates we try, oh god we TRY to belt hunt but it always ends in failure 90% of the time. I don't have time to fly 60 jumps to get one frigate kill these days, I'm fast as hell in finding people and I know instantly where they went, they goto the station or ******* log off and I'm sick of it.
So just shut you trap and learn how to pvp and see how *** it is
/edit its so stupid arguing with people, I guess we will now put not 2 but 4 smartbombing ships on a gate and more frieghters will get ganked in high sec and more people cry and we are now WoW
GG
maybe you should go play that game then? |
Jimer Lins
Gallente
Sanctuary
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Posted - 2007.05.18 02:02:00 -
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Adapt.
Sanctions, embargoes and blockades- discuss PVP with ISK! |
Jhonen Senraedi
Minmatar
Vaapad Shinobis
Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.05.18 02:04:00 -
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Originally by: LittleTerror
Edited by: LittleTerror on 18/05/2007 00:55:45[/edit
/edit oh btw I have never flow a cap ship, I don't even have the skills in cap ships, so what are you talking about? Are you talking about how your entire alliance was totaly ripped apart by INFOD? Are you still so bitter...
Just drop it, you were 100% face raped, now go back and hide in your station the pirates might find you.
Face-raped by INFOD..hmm..let me see...Pirate Coalition..no longer around MH...INFOD war..they moved out whereas we are still there...and must admit..yep..compared to your guys efficiency against us...around the quarter mark..Infod was just below the half..
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LittleTerror
Caldari
kleptomaniacs
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Posted - 2007.05.18 02:04:00 -
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Originally by: Jimer Lins
Adapt.
Have done, next?
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Raelosk
Minmatar
Continuum Rift
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Posted - 2007.05.18 02:07:00 -
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Edited by: Raelosk on 18/05/2007 02:10:00
Even if there was no WTZ, what would keep them from warping to a station and docking as soon as you entered local?
I don't think there would be that huge of a difference, unless you were able to get to the station before them perhaps.
The thing is people docking and logging off as soon as a threat enters local, and WTZ is not the cause or reason they do it.
So, the main topic of the thread is to remove WTZ, and my point is: It wouldn't make a difference. People would still log out or dock as soon as you entered the system anyway.
Edit for grammar issues
If nothing within you stays rigid, outward things will disclose themselves. Moving, be like water. Still, be like a mirror. Respond like an echo. -- Bruce Lee, Tao of Jeet Kune |
LittleTerror
Caldari
kleptomaniacs
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Posted - 2007.05.18 02:14:00 -
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Originally by: Jhonen Senraedi
Originally by: LittleTerror
Edited by: LittleTerror on 18/05/2007 00:55:45[/edit
/edit oh btw I have never flow a cap ship, I don't even have the skills in cap ships, so what are you talking about? Are you talking about how your entire alliance was totaly ripped apart by INFOD? Are you still so bitter...
Just drop it, you were 100% face raped, now go back and hide in your station the pirates might find you.
Face-raped by INFOD..hmm..let me see...Pirate Coalition..no longer around MH...INFOD war..they moved out whereas we are still there...and must admit..yep..compared to your guys efficiency against us...around the quarter mark..Infod was just below the half..
Pirate coalition never entered your stinking space for any serious ammount of time. We just camped a few gates and killed a few of you maybe? I don't know tbh or care, we had a good time in our final days toying with you!!
You should pop around some time, I know its far but safe instant passage back home for free you can't go wrong. |
doctorstupid2
Dirty Deeds Corp.
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.05.18 02:42:00 -
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Warp to zero was a bad fix to the problem (bookmarks) in my opinion. They should have made 'warp to within 15km' mean WITHIN 15km, i.e. you land somewhere at random inside a 15km sphere of your target. Makes bookmarks useless and keeps travels times for fast and slow ships in check in one move. Moving freighters around 0.0 becomes a little extra tedious and dangerous, but hey, keeps everyone on their toes.
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JoeT
Amarr
Short Attention Span
Nex Eternus
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Posted - 2007.05.18 02:57:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Jay
Originally by: Leikeze Mrotserif
DONT NERF LOCAL!! The pirats will kill my barge and take my t2 crystals!
What he said
i agree
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Zedrik Cayne
Gallente
Vendetta Incorporated
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Posted - 2007.05.18 04:03:00 -
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Warp to zero was a good solution for us being clever monkeys. Killing the server with bookmarks. Now that everyone has a good insta set (its not perfect, plenty of gall stations you don't actually end up in instadock range, but darn close) so you can setup a bump right there (i've got most of the warp-to points into my local haunts bookmarked for this purpose).
Now if we made warp to 0 a little looser,  *muahhhahaha*.
I remember back when one of the revelations patches went out, local wasn't working at all. *that* was some exciting/terrifying time. Who was in local? Wartargets? Regular Targets?
It was a scan fest filled with death as folks sneaked around trying to rat and mine and playing hide and seek. (did he just leave the system..he's not on scans..someone look next door...OMGWTF where did that blob *pop* Its a frigate swarm!)
Then they fixed it and it was back to same old same old.
It will make teamwork absolutely imperative if you don't plan on getting ganked. Which may or may not be a good thing. It will certainly make for some hell rides in low-sec for a few hours.
Nerf Local..Kill a carebear :)
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A legitimate businessman interested in unilateral re-appropriation of goods and salvage. |
Lead Pipe
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.05.18 04:28:00 -
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I personally like wtz. I always found it odd how we had mastered the art of light-speed travel, but couldn't get any closer than 15km! If my spaceship is so pathetic that its margin of error is 15 KM, then I think it would be time to get a new ship or go to work for NASA.
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Build a man a fire, keep him warm for a little while.
Set a man on fire, keep him warm for the rest of his life! |
murder one
Gallente
Death of Virtue
Vigilance Infinitas
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Posted - 2007.05.18 04:38:00 -
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Nerfing local would be huge. For both Pirate and non-Pirate alike.
Because I said so...
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RuleoftheBone
Minmatar
Veto. Academy
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.05.18 06:27:00 -
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Edited by: RuleoftheBone on 18/05/2007 06:26:03
Edited by: RuleoftheBone on 18/05/2007 06:24:59
Originally by: Lead Pipe
I personally like wtz. I always found it odd how we had mastered the art of light-speed travel, but couldn't get any closer than 15km! If my spaceship is so pathetic that its margin of error is 15 KM, then I think it would be time to get a new ship or go to work for NASA.
What he said. Leave it be.
"Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way"
General George Patton USA
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Johnny Gurkha
Infestation.
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Posted - 2007.05.18 06:52:00 -
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Originally by: murder one
Nerfing local would be huge. For both Pirate and non-Pirate alike.
....and for the short amount of time it didn't work it was sooooooooooo much fun. Then they fixed it. Bastards.
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Khel'tar
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Posted - 2007.05.18 07:28:00 -
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Edited by: Khel''tar on 18/05/2007 07:27:11
Originally by: LittleTerror
So just shut you trap and learn how to pvp and see how *** it is
/edit its so stupid arguing with people
Yeah, I have no idea about pvping. I don't do that at all. I just hide in high sec and don't leave ever.
Hang on, I actually pvp quite a bit. Yeah, I have trouble finding people to kill. Unlike you however I don't feel the need to WHINE about it.
One thing I'm sick of is people that feel that eve needs to change to suit their failings.
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Acura, the best stats. Pity it had to be caldari.
Gallente 4tw. |
Gojyu
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Posted - 2007.05.18 07:40:00 -
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Because ccp probably don't want every single station in a system completely camped by pirates. Just a thought. Now, I might be a noob, but as far as I can tell if they made you warp 15km out from a station, 4 pirates could just sit there all day ganking anything and everything that warped in without a care in the world. Have I made a mistake somewhere or is that pretty much the scenario you're trying to get?
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Atlanton Marcus
Caldari
Veto.
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Posted - 2007.05.18 08:13:00 -
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As a previous poster stated, disabling the warp to zero ability would just make stations a pirate camp fest. Kills would really be too easy.
However, nerfing the local pilot list would have a huge impact on the game. If all we had was a pilot in system number, then recon would become even more important and exciting. Detecting gate camps would require careful route planning, watching the number of pod kills, and directional scanning.
While anti-pirate players may say this will defeat the fun for non-pvp players, people who say this are completely missing the point of EVE and low security space. If people want to play against NPC pirates, mine, and trade all without other player interference, then they can stay in high security status and not join any player corporations. In my opinion, Eve was created with the adrenaline rush from possible loss in mind. The combat system is interesting, of course, but I would say that the major draw of pvp is from the excitement of knowing that you have a large portion of your game time spent depending on your tank holding up.
Therefore, I think bringing more of the risk into the game through a anonymous local list will make flying through low security space just a little more intense and fun, of course.
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