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Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.07.25 10:39:00 - [181] Originally by: Ares Lightfeather Errrr another 2 month old necro... Come on people, a necromancer is among us, ban him ! It's not a "necro" if the subject is still alive and kicking. _ Complaint vs whine \| Char creation guide \| Stacknerfs explained
Ares Lightfeather Gallente	Posted - 2007.07.25 10:39:00 - [182] Edited by: Ares Lightfeather on 25/07/2007 10:40:04 It is not. Most of what is written here is not true anymore, plus there is a thread that speaks about it in page 2 or 3... It's a necro. And the 3rd one, with the same subject, in a matter of hours. See a pattern ? -- Siggie ! Come back here ! -- Originally by: Victor Valka Originally by: MotherMoon well a drone UI is a bit of an artist job Drone AI is obviously done by an artist too. One that is heavily into abstract
Fswd	Posted - 2007.07.25 10:40:00 - [183] Stop whining, you got ganked, deal with it and stfu --- Free exotic dancers for mods that mod my sig Snip Please do not discuss moderation in your signature. -Yipsilanti ([email protected]) <-- freebie for you
heheheh Singularity. Fallen Souls	Posted - 2007.07.25 10:47:00 - [184] Just another victim
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.07.25 10:50:00 - [185] Originally by: Ares Lightfeather Most of what is written here is not true anymore What, that Dominix is the suicide ganker's ship of choice ? It still is, even after the CONCORD buff... which, wow, it's been discussed in here too. Sure, there are several other threads discussing pretty much the same issue on the front pages, I'll grant you that. _ Complaint vs whine \| Char creation guide \| Stacknerfs explained
cal nereus Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2007.07.25 10:58:00 - [186] Edited by: cal nereus on 25/07/2007 10:58:24 Edited by: cal nereus on 25/07/2007 10:57:59 Old topic... Give Freighters slots, remove insurance from ships that get destroyed by CONCORD, and the related warning pop-up ... simple and brilliant. Yet no one listened back then. So why now?
Cpt Branko Guardian Heroes	Posted - 2007.07.25 11:20:00 - [187] Originally by: Jmanis Catharg While there's plenty of topics like this, just reading the replies it's funny how people always interpret this sort of thread as 'freighters should be invincible in hi sec',, rather than 'Ganking freighters shouldn't be so cheap'. As was pointed out somewhere, to fit out a 20 man Domi ganksquad you need about 200-250 mil total. Compared to the billion it costs just to buy the freighter,,,, well, yeah,, that's just silly. Eh, well. You're forgetting that there's a decent chance a lot of the loot will be destroyed. If the freigher is carrying 1 bil of loot, losing 220 M to get to a part of the loot might be profitable, but it doesn't have to be, necessarily. You know, gankers don't get anything out of the ship cost, they get things out of dropped loot. This way, you've got to be hauling more then 500M just to make it likely that the suriving loot will pay off the costs. Originally by: Jmanis Catharg Even if insurance wasnt paid out, a 15 man ganksquad will take about 90 mil per ship,, 1.45bil to take out a freighter (1 bil) plus half a cargo of loot (another bil or two) sounds pretty damn fair to me. 1.45 bil would mean that you'd have to be carrying more then 3 bil worth of cargo for the gank to be (potentially) worthwhile. Originally by: Tsanse Kinske The second you start equating time spent playing a game with lost time and money is the second you need to ask yourself "Why am I playing?". Seriously
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.07.25 11:32:00 - [188] Right now a GankDomi costs the agressor about 30 mil. Without insurance payouts, it would cost them around 70-75 mil. _ Complaint vs whine \| Char creation guide \| Stacknerfs explained
Imperator Jora'h	Posted - 2007.07.25 11:38:00 - [189] Originally by: Akita T Right now a GankDomi costs the agressor about 30 mil. Without insurance payouts, it would cost them around 70-75 mil. And of course NOT buying insurance when you know you are going to go suicide is just downright stoopid (intentional misspelling).
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.07.25 11:44:00 - [190] Edited by: Akita T on 25/07/2007 11:44:50 Originally by: Imperator Jora'h Originally by: Akita T Right now a GankDomi costs the agressor about 30 mil. Without insurance payouts, it would cost them around 70-75 mil. And of course NOT buying insurance when you know you are going to go suicide is just downright stoopid (intentional misspelling). I hope you mean "GETTING insurance is stupid" when you know that suiciding-by-CONCORD would give you no payout ? In that case, yeah, it would be around 90 mil per suicidegankdomi, because you just wasted aprox 18 mil ISK for nothing. _ Complaint vs whine \| Char creation guide \| Stacknerfs explained

duckmonster GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.25 12:03:00 - [191] The best answer would be to get rid of highsec, so I can bubble all the goddamn wining carebears in to jita and fighterbomb them at the undock. Empire is biased against griefing Sig removed. If you would like further details please mail [email protected][orange] with a link to your signature (file
SiJira	Posted - 2007.07.25 16:11:00 - [192] Originally by: cal nereus Edited by: cal nereus on 25/07/2007 10:58:24 Edited by: cal nereus on 25/07/2007 10:57:59 Old topic... Give Freighters slots, remove insurance from ships that get destroyed by CONCORD, and the related warning pop-up ... simple and brilliant. Yet no one listened back then. So why now? freighters will never get slots ____ __ ________ _sig below_ devs and gms cant modify my sig if they tried!
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.25 16:15:00 - [193] necrophilia is on the rise lately Real turtles tank armor. Real men fly Pink. Nerfageddon
Korus Todlich	Posted - 2007.07.25 17:41:00 - [194] Originally by: Tenerhaddi Ok here a simple answer to this. When new PVP pilots go into 0.0. First advice is dont fly what you cant efford to lose right? Well if you fly though empire in a Freigther and have no Escort then its your problem! Frieghter should be used as a team work Corp with Escort to move really costly cargo. If you cant have Escort and taking that risk then STFU! No where safe! Doesnt mean you in your house means you wont get robbed? No but there that risk. I sick of these post whining about it. You and me make same point.
Nanobotter Mk2	Posted - 2007.07.25 17:55:00 - [195] Quote: Right now a GankDomi costs the agressor about 30 mil. Without insurance payouts, it would cost them around 70-75 mil. Simply not true. The losses are much less for a suidedomi in both cases.
Korus Todlich	Posted - 2007.07.25 20:23:00 - [196] Originally by: Nanobotter Mk2 Quote: Right now a GankDomi costs the agressor about 30 mil. Without insurance payouts, it would cost them around 70-75 mil. Simply not true. The losses are much less for a suidedomi in both cases. Are you saying that the ganker loses next to nothing even if there is no loot?
Korus Todlich	Posted - 2007.07.26 00:03:00 - [197] Originally by: duckmonster The best answer would be to get rid of highsec, so I can bubble all the goddamn wining carebears in to jita and fighterbomb them at the undock. Empire is biased against griefing You would get tired of gaming immediately.
Illyria Ambri RennTech	Posted - 2007.07.26 00:45:00 - [198] Give the freighters slots and put in modules for freighters that have the ability to block ship/cargo scan. This would give freighters more protection "Assuming they take advantage of the mods" This would also add more risk to the gankers as they might not be able to tell if thats a nice juicy paycheck or an empty freighter. As it stands.. there is ZERO defense against suicide gankers. Having ships to guard you will provide what? 20 secodns of protection till concord shows up.. which obviously dosen't kill the gankers fast enough meaning the defenders wont be able to either. Seems the only way to save a freighter is to rep it while its under attack to keep it alive. Freighters need a way to defend themselves BEFORE they start getting shot at. ------------ This is not War... This is pest control - Dalek Sek Here come the Drums!! - The Master
Illyria Ambri RennTech	Posted - 2007.07.26 00:53:00 - [199] Originally by: Korus Todlich Originally by: Nanobotter Mk2 Quote: Right now a GankDomi costs the agressor about 30 mil. Without insurance payouts, it would cost them around 70-75 mil. Simply not true. The losses are much less for a suidedomi in both cases. Are you saying that the ganker loses next to nothing even if there is no loot? What does the ganker loose? A ship? thats a requirement for suicide ganking.. that cannot be counted as a loss considering you are going into the freighter gank specifically to loose that ship. You cannot use the loss of the ship as an argument when the entire point is to loose that ship. Standings? Seems they are too wuss to use their mains so they use disposable alts. again.. no loss there. SP? With a disposable alt char.. not a concern. What does the freighter loose? A ship, and possibly billions. I dont see the risk vs reward that everyone is always harping about. I see risk for the freighter I dont see ANY risk for the ganker. If you want to argue risk vs. reward.. then the gankers need some risk. 1. Give freighters the chance to block ship/cargo scans with a module or 2. 2. Remove Insurence payouts from getting Concordspanked. 3. Increase the sec hit exponentially when Concord kills the same person multiple times over the span of say 3-4 hours. ------------ This is not War... This is pest control - Dalek Sek Here come the Drums!! - The Master
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.26 01:00:00 - [200] they risk getting NOTHING Real turtles tank armor. Real men fly Pink. Nerfageddon

Illyria Ambri RennTech	Posted - 2007.07.26 01:09:00 - [201] Originally by: Tortun Nahme they risk getting NOTHING Since when is incompetence a risk? ------------ This is not War... This is pest control - Dalek Sek Here come the Drums!! - The Master
Korus Todlich	Posted - 2007.07.26 03:25:00 - [202] Originally by: Illyria Ambri Originally by: Tortun Nahme they risk getting NOTHING Since when is incompetence a risk? What if loot is destroyed totally?
Arrgs Retribution Corp.	Posted - 2007.07.26 03:30:00 - [203] You suggest nerfing the Domi, I stopped reading there. Seriously. My first video!
Illyria Ambri RennTech	Posted - 2007.07.26 03:51:00 - [204] Originally by: Korus Todlich Originally by: Illyria Ambri Originally by: Tortun Nahme they risk getting NOTHING Since when is incompetence a risk? What if loot is destroyed totally? How is that a risk? The "loot" isn't yours till its in your cargo. If it gets blown up.. that sucks yea but you didnt risk anything. You didn't own the item you wanted therefor you loose nothing if it gets popped in the freighter as you never had your grubby little hands on it in the first place. ------------ This is not War... This is pest control - Dalek Sek Here come the Drums!! - The Master
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.26 03:55:00 - [205] Originally by: Illyria Ambri Originally by: Korus Todlich Originally by: Illyria Ambri Originally by: Tortun Nahme they risk getting NOTHING Since when is incompetence a risk? What if loot is destroyed totally? How is that a risk? The "loot" isn't yours till its in your cargo. If it gets blown up.. that sucks yea but you didnt risk anything. You didn't own the item you wanted therefor you loose nothing if it gets popped in the freighter as you never had your grubby little hands on it in the first place. Then why are the freighter pilots whining about lost isk, the lost loot isn't isk until it is sold on the market, and losing ships is a part of the game, therefore they lose nothing either Real turtles tank armor. Real men fly Pink. Nerfageddon
Illyria Ambri RennTech	Posted - 2007.07.26 04:05:00 - [206] Originally by: Tortun Nahme Then why are the freighter pilots whining about lost isk, the lost loot isn't isk until it is sold on the market, and losing ships is a part of the game, therefore they lose nothing either Please try again with a better argument. lets see.. 1 freighter.. 1 bill I believe is the roundabout price I been seeing. Freighter full of goodies.. 1-2 billion isk worth of mods and equipment already bought and paid for and on its way to its new owners. Seems like alot of loss to me and all other normal people. Want an analogy? Person in a car leaves Best buy with a trunk full of new computers for his school classroom. Carjacker tries to carjack you and all the loot in the trunk. Carjacker causes car to crash and explode. Do you honestly think the carjacker has the right to whine about blowing up the comps? Do you seriously believe that no money was lost for the driver or are you a few nuggets short of a happy meal? ------------ This is not War... This is pest control - Dalek Sek Here come the Drums!! - The Master
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.26 04:08:00 - [207] Originally by: Illyria Ambri Originally by: Tortun Nahme Then why are the freighter pilots whining about lost isk, the lost loot isn't isk until it is sold on the market, and losing ships is a part of the game, therefore they lose nothing either Please try again with a better argument. lets see.. 1 freighter.. 1 bill I believe is the roundabout price I been seeing. Freighter full of goodies.. 1-2 billion isk worth of mods and equipment already bought and paid for and on its way to its new owners. Seems like alot of loss to me and all other normal people. Want an analogy? Person in a car leaves Best buy with a trunk full of new computers for his school classroom. Carjacker tries to carjack you and all the loot in the trunk. Carjacker causes car to crash and explode. Do you honestly think the carjacker has the right to whine about blowing up the comps? Do you seriously believe that no money was lost for the driver or are you a few nuggets short of a happy meal? do you honestly think the carjacker risked nothing to take it and for that matter your analogy is a fail, a more accurate analogy would be running a semi off the road with a pickup, you risk your life and the pickup, and you risk getting nothing from the semi in the end it doesn't matter because ccp isn't going to change it no matter how hard you whine, and people like me will keep making isk running guard for the freighter pilots bright enough to realise this Real turtles tank armor. Real men fly Pink. Nerfageddon
Illyria Ambri RennTech	Posted - 2007.07.26 04:21:00 - [208] Originally by: Tortun Nahme Originally by: Illyria Ambri Originally by: Tortun Nahme do you honestly think the carjacker risked nothing to take it and for that matter your analogy is a fail, a more accurate analogy would be running a semi off the road with a pickup, you risk your life and the pickup, and you risk getting nothing from the semi in the end it doesn't matter because ccp isn't going to change it no matter how hard you whine, and people like me will keep making isk running guard for the freighter pilots bright enough to realise this Sure the carjacker risked his life and the pickup.. however in eve.. life means nothing as you can simply clone yourself or start another disposable alt to do it all again. So again the ganker risks nothing. Abiet true that no actual analogy will fit due to the lack of repercussions in eve. he still risks the truck, which in eve is your ship, you are risking it even if you know it will be lost, just liek you risk your ship every time you undock, even though you know it might be lost How is loosing your gank ship a risk? Its a damn requirement for a "suicide gank" It would be a risk if you had a chance to survive.. but when your ships distruction is a forgone conclusion.. thats no risk at all. ------------ This is not War... This is pest control - Dalek Sek Here come the Drums!! - The Master
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.26 04:22:00 - [209] it is a risk because there is the potential for no profit, really there is no simpler answer, if you don't understand that, then maybe eve is not for you Real turtles tank armor. Real men fly Pink. Nerfageddon
Illyria Ambri RennTech	Posted - 2007.07.26 04:30:00 - [210] Originally by: Tortun Nahme it is a risk because there is the potential for no profit, really there is no simpler answer, if you don't understand that, then maybe eve is not for you Unless the wreck vanishes before anyone can loot it.. there will always be some profit. Gankers dont strike me as being stupid enough to hit a freighter thats not worth equal or greater then the value of the ships they plan to loose. They get to pick their targets.. if its juicy.. boom profit.. if its not.. let it pass and wait for the next one. Oh wait I know.. the risk is not being able to gank anyone that night Don't forget alot of profit in the gankers e-peen enlargment as they can say they killed a freighter. ------------ This is not War... This is pest control - Dalek Sek Here come the Drums!! - The Master



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